Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

qbrozen

henryn said:

^^^ How much DAS (due at signing)?

I asked for true $0 DAS

28firefighter

Yes - Chrysler Cap and Ally are the same this month. You want to use Ally because no disposition fee.

Will PM you my deal shortly.

stickguy

is that sign and drive?

I should have gotten the Tacoma. Came down to $279/month, with $281 DAS (24/12,000). Cheap!

pensfan83

@qbrozen what's the MSRP on the unit you're looking at?

28firefighter

PMed you @qbrozen.

Looks like you're getting FCA loyalty because of your Van, plus the aged inventory rebate, which gets you to the $5250. I do agree that you're close.

stickguy

I have a strong desire to upgrade from the Elantra to a CPO TLX. I guess spending time looking for units for my sister got me hooked. I really love this one. Higher on miles though, but OK by me if the price was reduced to reflect that. I found the identical car in VA with 15K miles listed for the same price.

https://www.acuraturnersville.com/inventory/certified-used-2017-acura-tlx-2-4-8-dct-p-aws-with-technology-package-front-wheel-drive-sedan-19uub1f53ha004765

28firefighter

Why not wait a bit longer for some 2018s to hit the used market? Much more aggressive looking and I'm guessing prices will be similar.

pensfan83

Agreed, 2018 gets you AA/CarPlay standard and the full AcuraWatch suite as well. There are a few 2018's that aren't too far off from that 2017.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=untrackedExternal_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c26823&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c26823&zip=15236&distance=200&searchChanged=true&wheelSystems=FWD&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=212412503

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=untrackedExternal_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c26823&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c26823&zip=08002&distance=100&searchChanged=true&wheelSystems=FWD&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true&sortType=PRICE&sortDirection=ASC#listing=215241781

stickguy

I thought the 2017 had carplay too. Not that big a deal though since it has Navi including real time traffic.

yeah, a 2018 will make sense. Just have to balance the depreciation equation (if the TLX will depreciate more in the next few months, makes sense to wait). Not being in a hurry helps, but I would not ignore a 2017 if there was enough price differential. Not really seeing that though based on these. If the 18s are at that price, the 17s will be getting downward pressure too.

stickguy

just checked the local dealer (that has the red one). They actually have 3-4 of that same model (4 cyl tech) 2018s, miles around 5K, CPO listed at $28,999. So really not much higher asking than a 2017 with more miles.

drop the $ on the 2017 down to more like $24K, and might be getting something going though.

qbrozen

MSRP on the unit I have my eye on is $48,090. By the way, that email offer I got came from the SM.

Here is the reply I just sent:

It is pretty strong to start. May I ask what the breakdown of the $5250 is? I know there is $3250 lease incentive, or is Ally offering more than that?
And what are all of the fees are involved?

As for the dealer discount, I was hoping for a little more. That is about a 12.5% discount, but I've been seeing folks claiming quite a bit more. Another $1,000 off would bring us to about a 15% discount and monthly just over $375.

I am also currently trying to get a code from truecar for an additional incentive. I don't know exactly what this is yet since their original offer was $1000 but then it dropped to $500, so I'm awaiting a call back from them.

pensfan83

Oh ok, for some reason I thought it was higher. They have so many trim levels & variations.

28firefighter

Alfa dealers are pretty small, so it isn't surprise the SM is in the internet inquiry queue.

Curious about that extra $1k if it isn't FCA Loyalty; I know there is $3250 lease cash and a $1000 aged inventory rebate.

stickguy

daughter got gas this AM for the first time in almost 2 weeks in the Jetta. overall on the first tank was somewhere in the upper 30s. that was with a fair amount of local running around her new area and commuting.

on the trip back up to NJ last night (home for the weekend), she said the TC reported a little over 41.

Impressive MPG for a car this size. It is very roomy.

roadburner

28firefighter said:

My limited experience with Nav has generally been positive. Planning to use the Stelvio's nav on the way home tonight.

I'm headed down there after work this afternoon on the Sounder.

I've had no issues with the navigation in the 2er, i3, or Mini.

qbrozen

I can rent a full-size car for $125 to drive one way down to MD.

qbrozen

oh man. he came down to 40,800. The extra $1k above the aged inventory and $3250 is "dealer bonus cash"

28firefighter

so is he at $40,800 less $5250?

28firefighter

If it is, I'd say you're in competitive deal territory

qbrozen

yes. 48090.00 - 7213.50 discount - 5250 incentives = 35,626.50

28firefighter

what's the doc fee? I'd jump especially if you can finagle a $500 truecar code.

tifighter

28firefighter

You want in, @tifighter?

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

what's the doc fee? I'd jump especially if you can finagle a $500 truecar code.

MD restricts it to $300 max

tifighter

28firefighter said:

You want in, @tifighter?

Ha. Always the pusher!

I have something else in the works already, thanks.

nyccarguy

Besides politics, I'd also like to bring forth a motion to ban Oprah. All in favor? Say "I."

28firefighter

I'm here to help, @tifighter!

qbrozen

yeah, $300 doc. 595 acq.
I didn't realize the $3250 is taxed.
So, with that in mind, it is currently $391 sign and drive.
Still keeping my fingers crossed on the truecar, BUT the wife is insisting we go tonight and she wants to drive me.

28firefighter

Yeah - the taxes are brutal, as usual. What is your taxes and tag fees?

pensfan83

Ummm....I'm here for the Stelvios?

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

Yeah - the taxes are brutal, as usual. What is your taxes and tag fees?

NJ only taxes depreciation + CAP reductions.. at 6.7% (?), I think
Collects it upfront, so added to the CAP

qbrozen

i just emailed the SM again to ask if we close tonight, when is the last date I can pick it up. Kids are NOT happy about a 6 hour drive right now, and I don't blame them.
Still waiting on truecar.
Getting near the time when it would be too late to go anyway.
Unfortunately, I am booked up all weekend otherwise.

Oh, so I called the local dealer with the red/red unit. Theirs has a $700 lower MSRP. Was straight up and gave him all the facts, numbers, and current offer on the table. He checked with him SM, called me back and said "my SM says you should get in the car now and go get that car in Maryland." Ok, thanks for playing!

breld

First things first, @28firefighter - congrats on your Stelvio. You've got to be ecstatic to be go picking it up this evening.

And @qbrozen - congrats on your Stelvio too.

Seriously, seems to me you're there on a car you've been lusting after.

28firefighter

No congrats - yet. It's not done until it's in my driveway.

breld

My local Alfa dealer is advertising a whopping $1,750 off Stelvios. What gives?

nyccarguy

@qbrozen

"BUT the wife is insisting we go tonight and she wants to drive me"

We don't want to upset her now, do we? LOL!

28firefighter

breld said:

My local Alfa dealer is advertising a whopping $1,750 off Stelvios. What gives?

That's just the public bonus cash. I bet if you talk there is more there.

Mr_Shiftright

fintail said:

I've never had a real issue with factory nav. On my old E55, it was aged enough to where some local streets didn't exist. Now that I think about it, the nav in the rental Jaguar in Germany got really confused and took me to a seemingly random location once, but I kind of expected that.

Perhaps not zo random, Herr Fintail.....

stickguy

you people are machines. Impressive to watch. this must be like standing behind the cage watching Mike Trout take BP.

Q, your place to Maryland on Friday of labor day weekend, could be iffy. Also, most dealers (that aren't the high volume churn places) at least near me close at 5 or 6 on Fridays.

leave at 6 tomorrow, be there by nine, be home by noon! the BBQ can wait.

28firefighter

This really isn't as impressive as you think - it's all about flexibility, timing, and awareness.

stickguy

I thought it was exciting that I decided to go out shopping this week. May stop this weekend since will be out with the wife and daughter doing stuff. Just to look. But, don't think I will be joining the Stelvio bandwagon. Though might stop anyway to see what all the fuss is about. Partly because I know that I will likely not come close to haggling a deal like that.

All this TLX looking (I think it is 50/50 I get a call from my sister tomorrow from the Acura dealer, meaning her "popping in to check them out" turned into a "is this deal good?" scenario) got me hepped up to get one. So will stop to drive a 4 cyl version again (make sure I like it), and compare a 2017 to a 2018. If they happened to have the right unit pushing my buttons, and could come in with a too good to pass up trade in offer, I would bite.

I think I will stay with a sedan, and hold off on a new CUV until we upgrade the wife's ride. The 2 that I really like are the TLX and S60. Both seem like good options. Reasonable cost/value, stylish, super comfy seats, and nice level of goodies. Wife will approve of either one. Need to stop and try a Volvo too though.

if I could find a killer deal on a V60, now that would be a great option. I love them, and could replace the RDX too!

qbrozen

no bbq tomorrow. but i've committed to a 4-day martial arts seminar, 12 hours a day. Wife insists I can't miss tomorrow morn. It is now too late to leave for MD and get there before closing (7pm). I may have to get it delivered at this point. We'll see. I asked the SM how long they'll sit on it after I sign everything but he has not responded. I got the congratulatory email from the salesperson who initially answered my email and a request for license and insurance, which I sent.

qbrozen

funny that I still haven't driven a Ti Sport. Oh well, I'm sure its fine. ;b

28firefighter

The condition for me was driving it off the lot tonight - we'll see.

28firefighter

qbrozen said:

funny that I still haven't driven a Ti Sport. Oh well, I'm sure its fine. ;b

Transfer the lease if you don't like it - everyone else does on leasehackr.

mjfloyd1

nyccarguy said:

Besides politics, I'd also like to bring forth a motion to ban Oprah. All in favor? Say "I."

I

qbrozen

wondering how it would work out if I listed my Ford for transfer. I'd want some cash up front but it would still be a killer deal for someone. I did read, however, that Ford doesn't allow it with less than 10 mos to go?

stickguy

Q, not sure why it matters. as long as the deal is done. if you could have it shipped up, what's the difference if they park it out on the back lot? You will own it either way.

benjaminh

stickguy said:

I have a strong desire to upgrade from the Elantra to a CPO TLX. I guess spending time looking for units for my sister got me hooked. I really love this one. Higher on miles though, but OK by me if the price was reduced to reflect that. I found the identical car in VA with 15K miles listed for the same price.

https://www.acuraturnersville.com/inventory/certified-used-2017-acura-tlx-2-4-8-dct-p-aws-with-technology-package-front-wheel-drive-sedan-19uub1f53ha004765

Elite Acura has a big selection of new TLXs, including even a few 2018s. I bet they'd give you a nice deal on a new 2018 that has less than 50 miles on it, which imho would be better than getting one with 34,000 miles if you really think you might keep this car long term. And it seems better to lease a TLX rather than buy it because of the larger incentives on the lease.

If your sister wants CarPlay on a TLX I think that only became available for the 2018 model year.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

Q, not sure why it matters. as long as the deal is done. if you could have it shipped up, what's the difference if they park it out on the back lot? You will own it either way.

no idea. you know how dealers are. they usually like it GONE.