Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

suydam

A friend just leased a Kia Niro EV. So I guess it’s still possible. He did test drive it. I think all the paperwork happened online.

stickguy

They will bring it to you to test drive.

If I hadn’t bought already and was temporarily down a car like I should be, I would be paying way more attention!

roadburner

Kia had either 0% interest up to 84 months or $4,000 on the hood of the GTS. I think now they might be able to be combined.

corvette

Between working from home and not being able to take road trips for the foreseeable future, I will probably have to deliberately drive the Tundra 1,000 miles a month if I want to use up my mileage. The poor G37 sits in the garage connected to the Battery Tender!

kyfdx

I’m putting an easy 30 mi/week on my 2 vehicles.

stickguy

I need to unearth the TLX one day this week and go drive it for 1/2 an hour or so just to give it some exercise.

roadburner

24 miles per day, five days a week on the Cooper, although I try to add the other cars to the mix a couple of times per month.

nyccarguy

roadburner said:

24 miles per day, five days a week on the Cooper, although I try to add the other cars to the mix a couple of times per month.

How many miles on the Mini now?

roadburner

nyccarguy said:

How many miles on the Mini now?

122k miles.

sb55

Just because I'm a little bored and we're now in required stay at home/stay safe mode (although we have been for the last 2+ weeks anyway), I've updated the cars I've owned list (as best as I can remember). It represents 50+ years because I bought my first pick-up when I was 14 for $400.00. Where I lived was rural back then and it was used to muck the family's horse stalls.
My car list:
Year - New/Used – Brand/Model – Trans -Color
1964 U Chevy Pickup 3 speed mt, white
1972 N Opel Manta 4 speed mt, yellow
1974 N Mazda RX-4 4 speed mt, silver
1976? U VW Sirocco 5 speed mt, Green, then silver
1970 U Porsche 911E 5 speed mt, silver
19xx U Ford Maverick 4 door auto, blue (Came with my wife)
1966? U Chevy pickup 3 speed mt, green
1972? U Honda 600 4 speed mt, blue
1974? U GMC pickup auto, red and white
1979 N Ford Mustang 4 or 5 speed mt, Blue
1978 U Fiat Brava 5 speed mt, yellow
1980 N Honda Prelude 5 speed mt, silver
1964 U Porsche 356C 4 speed mt, red
1974 VW Thing 4 speed mt, camouflage
1980 U Mercedes 300 CD auto, anthracite
1984 N Honda CRX 5 speed mt, white
1986 N Volvo 740 wagon 4 speed + od mt, blue
1989 N Ford Explorer auto, silver
1988 N VW GTI 5 speed mt, anthracite
1987 U Porsche 944s 5 speed mt, white
1990 U Ford Explorer auto, black
1988 U Porsche 944T 5 speed mt, black. Turned into PCA track car.
1994 N GMC Suburban auto, green
1990? N Audi Coupe Quattro 5 speed mt, red
1992 N Honda Accord wagon 5 speed mt, maroon
1994 U Mercedes C280 auto, anthracite
2006 N Audi A4, 5mt, silver
1999 U Porsche 911 6 speed mt, silver
2000? N Ford Probe, 6mt, green
2002 N GMC Suburban auto, silver
2001 N Acura TL auto, gray
2002 N BMW 530i 5 speed mt, anthracite
2003 U Mercedes SLK Amg auto, silver
2004 N Pontiac Vibe 5 speed mt, silver
2004 N Toyota Sequoia, green
2004 N Acura TL 5 speed mt, silver
2004 U BMW 545i 5 speed mt, silver
2006 N Subaru Legacy wagon auto, blue
2006 U Porsche Cayenne auto, silver
2007 N Mazda Miata PRHT 6 speed mt, galaxy grey *
2008 N Infiniti G35x auto, blue
2010 N GMC Sierra auto, blue
2010 U BMW 535xiT auto, white
2014 N Chevy Silverado auto, Brown
2014 U BMW 535D, auto, white *
2017 N Chevy Silverado, auto, Pepperdust (grayish) *

stickguy

I really like your list. The maverick sticks out like a sore thumb. Good thing you straightened out you wife on cars!

nyccarguy

There is definitely a glut of inventory out there of cars (for now). Between the 0% interest and deferred payment carrot, there could be some excellent bargains out there. All dealers open will start "home delivery," so no need to sit with the finance guy and hear his line of BS.

Some interesting RODO deals that I've seen:

2020 Honda Civic Si Sedan $25,930 MSRP
$244 per month
36/12K $244 DAS

2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo E $37,495 MSRP
$384 per month
24/12K $384 DAS

qbrozen

Only 46 in 50 years? Slacker.

kyfdx

Guess the wife came with a discount, if you took the Maverick, as well?

Great list.. you’ve had more car fun than me.

kyfdx

nyccarguy said:

There is definitely a glut of inventory out there of cars (for now). Between the 0% interest and deferred payment carrot, there could be some excellent bargains out there. All dealers open will start "home delivery," so no need to sit with the finance guy and hear his line of BS.

Some interesting RODO deals that I've seen:

2020 Honda Civic Si Sedan $25,930 MSRP
$244 per month
36/12K $244 DAS

2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo E $37,495 MSRP
$384 per month
24/12K $384 DAS

The Civic SI sedan has had a great lease deal, all month. I think I posted about that, previously.

nyccarguy

kyfdx said:

nyccarguy said:

There is definitely a glut of inventory out there of cars (for now). Between the 0% interest and deferred payment carrot, there could be some excellent bargains out there. All dealers open will start "home delivery," so no need to sit with the finance guy and hear his line of BS.

Some interesting RODO deals that I've seen:

2020 Honda Civic Si Sedan $25,930 MSRP
$244 per month
36/12K $244 DAS

2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo E $37,495 MSRP
$384 per month
24/12K $384 DAS

The Civic SI sedan has had a great lease deal, all month. I think I posted about that, previously.

Here? Maybe you did. I might have missed it.

stickguy

Darn. Out of the market for the next 20 months. My timing has always been terrible.

28firefighter

a Civic Si is a great value at sub $250 DAS/$250 Month

stickguy

I am so Aggravated that I splurged on the RDX instead of dumping the old one and waiting when the wife even mentioned the concept.

28firefighter

stickguy said:

I am so Aggravated that I splurged on the RDX instead of dumping the old one and waiting when the wife even mentioned the concept.

If your wife is happy, then you should not be aggravated.

qbrozen

nyccarguy said:

There is definitely a glut of inventory out there of cars (for now). Between the 0% interest and deferred payment carrot, there could be some excellent bargains out there. All dealers open will start "home delivery," so no need to sit with the finance guy and hear his line of BS.

Some interesting RODO deals that I've seen:

2020 Honda Civic Si Sedan $25,930 MSRP
$244 per month
36/12K $244 DAS

2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo E $37,495 MSRP
$384 per month
24/12K $384 DAS

That's way too much for the Laredo.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

nyccarguy said:

There is definitely a glut of inventory out there of cars (for now). Between the 0% interest and deferred payment carrot, there could be some excellent bargains out there. All dealers open will start "home delivery," so no need to sit with the finance guy and hear his line of BS.

Some interesting RODO deals that I've seen:

2020 Honda Civic Si Sedan $25,930 MSRP
$244 per month
36/12K $244 DAS

2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo E $37,495 MSRP
$384 per month
24/12K $384 DAS

That's way too much for the Laredo.

Apparently it is. After I stuck it in my showroom, the price dropped.

fintail

Pretty nice list there @sb55. SLK32 AMG, RX-4, 300CD, Accord wagon, Volvo 740 wagon, Brava, 356, I approve.

suydam

stickguy said:

I am so Aggravated that I splurged on the RDX instead of dumping the old one and waiting when the wife even mentioned the concept.

You have a very nice new vehicle that you’ll drive for a long time. Don’t beat yourself up. Nobody saw this coming.

jmonroe

stickguy said:

I am so Aggravated that I splurged on the RDX instead of dumping the old one and waiting when the wife even mentioned the concept.

If you think you're aggravated now you better not let her know she had a good idea. With that kind of talk you'll need tract shoes. Just let it go.

jmonroe

jmonroe

qbrozen said:

Only 46 in 50 years? Slacker.

I don't think I've had 46 different cars, from all visitors combined, in the driveways of all 4 homes I've owned in the last 50 years. I'd say our poster buddy is doing pretty good.

jmonroe

tjc78

I've had 17 in 25 years of driving. For some reason it felt like more.

kyfdx

nyccarguy said:

kyfdx said:

nyccarguy said:

There is definitely a glut of inventory out there of cars (for now). Between the 0% interest and deferred payment carrot, there could be some excellent bargains out there. All dealers open will start "home delivery," so no need to sit with the finance guy and hear his line of BS.

Some interesting RODO deals that I've seen:

2020 Honda Civic Si Sedan $25,930 MSRP
$244 per month
36/12K $244 DAS

2020 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo E $37,495 MSRP
$384 per month
24/12K $384 DAS

The Civic SI sedan has had a great lease deal, all month. I think I posted about that, previously.

Here? Maybe you did. I might have missed it.

No one listens to me at home, either..

laurasdada

Nice, envy-creating list, SB55. '78 VW Scirocco was my first ever (used) car purchase; and a good one!
In my 44 years of licensed driving, I've only purchased 8 cars for myself; 3 for ex-wife and 1 for my son.
I'm a constant car shopper, I've just not figured out the personal economics of actually buying...unfortunately.

I do seem to be fixated on a '20 Jaguar XE (I guess I'm a Jag guy until there is no Jag), but know not the when. It is a great ride, I know it's not the overall best car in its class. But, I dig rarity... I'll keep an eye on deals, currently $2k consumer cash to 3/31, perhaps more to come?

rayainsw

For anyone interested - 10,000-Mile Update on the C+D long term M340i - link;

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30143002/2020-bmw-m340i-reliability-maintenance/

- Ray
Loving mine ...

stickguy

Impressive numbers. 3.8 0-60 and the 1/4 in 12.3 @115. On the RB scale, I guess that qualifies as only marginally unsafe for road usage?

tjc78

3.8 to 60. Turd.

pensfan83

Does BMW allow for loyalty qualification with any BMW or only within a certain year range?

Asking for a friend...

kyfdx

pensfan83 said:

Does BMW allow for loyalty qualification with any BMW or only within a certain year range?

Asking for a friend...

My friend got loyalty for his ‘98 Z3, when he leased an X1, this past September

28firefighter

That's interesting, @kyfdx. A dealer up here told me 2007 or newer to qualify for loyalty.

I do need to join BMWCCA, though. Two currently in the garage.

pensfan83

kyfdx said:

pensfan83 said:

Does BMW allow for loyalty qualification with any BMW or only within a certain year range?

Asking for a friend...

My friend got loyalty for his ‘98 Z3, when he leased an X1, this past September

Well that could make things interesting.

qbrozen

well, this is aggravating. Hyundai took forever to reply to my request only to say "you have to call us." And their phones haven't been working all day. Meanwhile, Carvana offer is expiring today. I have sent Carvana a message requesting an extension, and I've sent Hyundai Finance an email asking why they can't provide a payoff letter via email, especially since their phones aren't working. Can you sue a finance company for causing a loss of sale?

kyfdx

28firefighter said:

That's interesting, @kyfdx. A dealer up here told me 2007 or newer to qualify for loyalty.

I do need to join BMWCCA, though. Two currently in the garage.

He and I were both surprised.

stickguy

good luck trying that Q.

stickguy

well, just resubmitted the RDX, out of curiosity. I got about 14,300 on trade (the Carvana quote when I made the deal). By the time I picked up the new one, that 7 day had expired so I reran it, and it actually went up to 14,450 (this was on 3/12).

today, same miles, they offered $11,380. So yeah, the market is cratering. Might be an interesting time to buy, but not if you have to trade to make it happen.

28firefighter

stickguy said:

well, just resubmitted the RDX, out of curiosity. I got about 14,300 on trade (the Carvana quote when I made the deal). By the time I picked up the new one, that 7 day had expired so I reran it, and it actually went up to 14,450 (this was on 3/12).

today, same miles, they offered $11,380. So yeah, the market is cratering. Might be an interesting time to buy, but not if you have to trade to make it happen.

The values are cratering for now because auctions are all shut down and there is very little to no supply chain moving cars around right now. I'm expecting that'll rebound and then some after all of this blows over.

stickguy

hopefully. But going to depend on how quickly sales rebound. If they don't will be sitting on a glut of cars already.

ab348

That new lower value they quoted should make you feel better about the entire deal you actually got.

Sandman6472

Really liked the new RDX I sat in on Friday, a bit nice on the interior. The TLX was nice also but was disappointed with the ILX to be honest, a bit too low for ingress/egress. They had some folks waiting on service and one lady looking at the RDX but that was it. While there, two other Enterprise drivers brought in just sold vehicles. One was from the south Broward area and the other from Miami.
Haven't driven now since Sunday but need a lottery ticket so will venture out around 9 or so to pick up some and get some petrol. With my fleet card, can go to Cumberland Farms and get regular for $1.89. BJ's & Costco are both down to $1.75/gallon of regular but our BJ's expired December 31st. Only need about a quarter of a tank since I drive so little but will top it off. Our old friend came for dinner and to have her taxes done last night and I saw her 2018 Hyundai Elantra Limited and liked it. When she left, it was dark out but when she opened her front door, a light came on next to the door handle. Kinda nice for a low end economy vehicle almost four model years old. Like that model Elantra much better than the current one as does she, so she's putting off purchasing a new one. Told her to check out the Forte just for comparison.
Saw my first Kia Seltos commercial yesterday and really liked it. Just the wrong time for me to do anything to be honest, the wrong time. Starting to think the end of the year might be the right time if I do buy this model year but seeing what happens when things get back to normal might be a good time to. Will be interesting to see what kind of financing/rebates/maintenance freebies will be offered to move iron off the lots. Could be very interesting to be honest but that itch I had the last couple of months has gone away with all this new nonsense. And truthfully with the small amount of miles I'm putting on the Golf right now, just seems a bit foolish to get rid of it, since it ain't giving me a lick of trouble. Still am looking online as still need to try a GTI as I know it'll fit just fine.

stickguy

not really. I was about to take the high offer when the local guy got back to me the next day so I did not finish the Carvana process. If I had not bought the new one, the old one would have gone, and we would be sitting here with 1 car getting no use instead of paying for 2. then at some point (May most likely) would have dealt with a replacement.

but yes, it probably could work out better doing it then vs. waiting and doing both parts later.

qbrozen

I'm very disappointed. Carvana told me I am SOL. "Try again"

mjfloyd1

stickguy said:

not really. I was about to take the high offer when the local guy got back to me the next day so I did not finish the Carvana process. If I had not bought the new one, the old one would have gone, and we would be sitting here with 1 car getting no use instead of paying for 2. then at some point (May most likely) would have dealt with a replacement.

but yes, it probably could work out better doing it then vs. waiting and doing both parts later.

I think you are better having already done the deal. I doubt that you would have gotten another 3k off the RDX - and your wife likes it!

Regular unleaded was 1.23 in Henderson KY when I passed through on Sunday night!!

mjfloyd1

qbrozen said:

I'm very disappointed. Carvana told me I am SOL. "Try again"

Ugh

stickguy

not surprised. they probably don't really want to be dealing with private seller purchasing right now anyway, and most likely have a decent supply piling up anyway.

Hopefully at least by May we can start going about normal life again. Get up to NY to see family, wife back to the office, and general activities. Finally use at least one of the cars enough to enjoy it!

roadburner

kyfdx said:

28firefighter said:

That's interesting, @kyfdx. A dealer up here told me 2007 or newer to qualify for loyalty.

I do need to join BMWCCA, though. Two currently in the garage.

He and I were both surprised.

I think the loyalty rebate from BMW NA is a bit of a moving target; I know one time I didn't qualify and I had 3 BMWs in the garage...