Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

tjc78

Obviously a totally different car, but this did make me laugh

tjc78

I always liked these... obviously the Grand Prix/Bonneville wheels would have to go

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lkEwP1N/1998-buick-riviera

qbrozen

stickguy said:

Porsche turbo did ok. Last I looked at lunch it was at $30k With 20 minutes to go.

Seem to be very few no reserve, and a lot of lower bid/no sale auctions so far.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3BE2qJOb/2002-porsche-911-turbo-coupe

hope you can keep that lunch down when you see the final price.

28firefighter

$50k seems about right to me.

fintail

I thought 30K seemed a bit light.

That LeBaron is an amazing survivor, nice interior color, and a stick, can't be common.

andres3

stickguy said:

the price bump for the A spec doesn't look to be close to worth it this time. If I was getting a new model it would just be a tech.

and the color combos is not great. Not getting black leather, so leaves a whopping 4 colors. Good thing I like modern steel and the blue!

I too am curious to see the violet. Not a color I recall before from Acura.

actually, I am much more curious to see the upcoming Acura compact sports sedan!

Funny, I find most of the A-spec additions to be "must-haves." Seems like a bargain to me, but I'm assuming they left out a lot of enthusiast details, such as enhanced suspension tuning and other "sporty" features that come from superior engineering, but might not make a bean counters marketing "features" list.

mjfloyd1

@roadburner

I can’t tell if this M4 has a sunroof...

https://www.automotiveavenuesnj.com/inventory/used-2018-bmw-m4-cpe-6-speed-manual-w-executive-package-rear-wheel-drive-coupe-wbs4y9c53jac86617

pensfan83

Manufacturer buyback it looks like.

mjfloyd1

Guess I should have looked at the Carfax...

corvette

mjfloyd1 said:

Guess I should have looked at the Carfax...

They make you click through a silly acknowledgement that the report can change at any time before you can view it. *eyeroll* Still shows as being under manufacturer warranty? I think Hyundai and Kia used to void warranties on buyback vehicles, but I'm not sure what the practice is with other makes.

ronsteve

Drove the XC70 today... those things got *heavy* even though the physical dimensions felt good, and would be more functional for my usage. Good power when you get on it while you're moving, but really intrusive TC from a stop, pretty much the opposite of my RDX which will accelerate nicely up through the gears but needs to wake up when you want to make a move at cruising speed. The BLIS was nice, but the City Safety seemed a bit over-sensitive.

I still want to see if I can get numbers that work, but I'm not going to stretch. I also need to see the service department's inspection and what reconditioning they did/are doing.

The Mrs is non-committal as usual with me and cars, but the two biggest things working against regardless of price is the logistical ease of service (even though I have a trusted indie Volvo shop, the logistical perks of the dealers aren't there, and that's a bigger deal in the COVID days) and just that this would be the oldest vehicle I have ever had a payment on, even if the loan is a short 24 or 36 months.

The ask is $16,9 which is up from a $15,6 I saw in my FB feed last week. NADA showed 15,6 just with the Platinum and 16,2 if I check off all the options too. I know books don't buy OR sell cars, but I don't want to overpay either. I'm not about to end higher than 16,2 but not entirely sure how high or low to start. They seem to think "market value" is 18,9 which is a load of crap.

explorerx4

@ronsteve,
I swear, if online ads get a few bites, they raise the asking price.

xwesx

stickguy said:

that is cool. a 2 door, 7 speed manual sounds interesting!

Yes, but as per the trends, it is only available on the most basic base level they have. Seems incredibly odd to me that they would go through the trouble of having a unique-to-the-lineup transmission option that is available on the least-likely-to-be-popular trim level.

stickguy

tjc78 said:

I always liked these... obviously the Grand Prix/Bonneville wheels would have to go

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lkEwP1N/1998-buick-riviera

Got Old Farmer written all over it! at least at the current bid.

stickguy

xwesx said:

stickguy said:

that is cool. a 2 door, 7 speed manual sounds interesting!

Yes, but as per the trends, it is only available on the most basic base level they have. Seems incredibly odd to me that they would go through the trouble of having a unique-to-the-lineup transmission option that is available on the least-likely-to-be-popular trim level.

I did not pour through the trim levels. I did see you had to get the big (V6) motor. Seems that a lot of the models are not really higher line (like going base/tech/advanced on an RDX) in terms of loading on goodies, rather different focus (as in more hard core off roading, which I would not go for anyway). Heck, I would be the ultimate poser with one of these since it would not be doing any actual off roading.

xwesx

stickguy said:

xwesx said:

stickguy said:

that is cool. a 2 door, 7 speed manual sounds interesting!

Yes, but as per the trends, it is only available on the most basic base level they have. Seems incredibly odd to me that they would go through the trouble of having a unique-to-the-lineup transmission option that is available on the least-likely-to-be-popular trim level.

I did not pour through the trim levels. I did see you had to get the big (V6) motor. Seems that a lot of the models are not really higher line (like going base/tech/advanced on an RDX) in terms of loading on goodies, rather different focus (as in more hard core off roading, which I would not go for anyway). Heck, I would be the ultimate poser with one of these since it would not be doing any actual off roading.

Yeah, true. I would like to see one of them offer up the turbo six with MT and off-roading tech. Not necessarily the top end creature-comfort units, but definitely the locking diffs and disconnecting sway bars... and FOUR doors.

stickguy

well, the manual comes with the big engine only, and on the 2 or 4 door model. I know I saw that earlier, but now saw a different preview that showed it with the 2.3l engine. so who knows. But did seem to be available with more expensive trims, which all seem to just add fancier off road stuff. I suspect convenience and luxo goodies will be options to most of the trims.

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

@roadburner

I can’t tell if this M4 has a sunroof...

https://www.automotiveavenuesnj.com/inventory/used-2018-bmw-m4-cpe-6-speed-manual-w-executive-package-rear-wheel-drive-coupe-wbs4y9c53jac86617

It looks like it has the CF roof panel- so no hole in the roof.

stickguy

I would buy it if the price reflected the title, and you wanted it bad enough. Based on this (which explains why it still has the warranty). Wonder how many times it went in to get the problem actually resolved?

Please note that in October 2019 BMW of North America, LLC reacquired this vehicle due to a customer complaint in regards to the Check Engine light illuminating and 'drivetrain malfunction' warning displaying. BMW fully resolved this matter under warranty by simply replacing the charge air cooler and charging the battery. Regardless, in the interest of customer satisfaction, BMW agreed to repurchase the vehicle. BUY WITH CONFIDENCE AS THE FACTORY WARRANTY IS STILL INTACT! We have all the documentation from BMW of North America, LLC on file.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

This is a true time warp car. Didn’t think any where left in this condition. And yes, if cheap, I’d drive it! Anything with a stick and sun shining in hooks me.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9nAJY40D/1988-chrysler-lebaron-convertible

I looked high and low for one of those when I was seeking a cheap convertible. I preferred the later 93’+ models with the 3.0L Mitsubishi engine as they didn’t have the problematic headlights. Could never find one with low milage like that for a price I wanted to pay. Later went with the Sebring but always liked the styling of the Lebaron.

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

I always liked these... obviously the Grand Prix/Bonneville wheels would have to go

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lkEwP1N/1998-buick-riviera

I liked those too, especially the supercharged 3800. Hard to imagine it only put out 260 hp back then. That one seems pretty beat. Surprised they let it on the site. The wheels look like OEM on that Labaron.

Seems more like a CL type car.

nyccarguy

That 996 911 Turbo Shot up and sold for a little over $50K.

ab348

Was looking at some of the articles on the Bronco and find it a bit confusing. According to one there are 3 basic models. The entry-level Sport is based off the Escape and is a unibody FWD-biased CUV. Then the 2-door and 4-door versions with the multitude of models and options are body-on-frame vehicles that are totally different and based off the Ranger pickup. Maybe it is just me but I find that odd. Likely to see lots of the Escape-based versions and relatively few of the more expensive true off-roaders.

tjc78

I did too. I always assumed it was Ranger based, but then saw that the Sport was different.

IMO it seems as if they really went overboard with the configurations, but doesn’t the Wrangler also?

tjc78

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

I always liked these... obviously the Grand Prix/Bonneville wheels would have to go

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lkEwP1N/1998-buick-riviera

I liked those too, especially the supercharged 3800. Hard to imagine it only put out 260 hp back then. That one seems pretty beat. Surprised they let it on the site. The wheels look like OEM on that Labaron.

Seems more like a CL type car.

Yeah it’s well worn, didn’t notice the clear coat fade when I looked through quickly the first time

kyfdx

stickguy said:

I would buy it if the price reflected the title, and you wanted it bad enough. Based on this (which explains why it still has the warranty). Wonder how many times it went in to get the problem actually resolved?

Please note that in October 2019 BMW of North America, LLC reacquired this vehicle due to a customer complaint in regards to the Check Engine light illuminating and 'drivetrain malfunction' warning displaying. BMW fully resolved this matter under warranty by simply replacing the charge air cooler and charging the battery. Regardless, in the interest of customer satisfaction, BMW agreed to repurchase the vehicle. BUY WITH CONFIDENCE AS THE FACTORY WARRANTY IS STILL INTACT! We have all the documentation from BMW of North America, LLC on file.

That means it didn't go through lemon law process.

stickguy

Yeah, they bought it back officially though so title is branded the same. They just did it before all the hearings and such.

stickguy

Interesting one, so far unloved. Wrong trans, lousy color combo, unpopular year. But I found the paperwork interesting. Obviously a flipper that bought a Clean car with busted engine. Adding up the invoices, the spend on engine rebuild and extras was $20k. Double the bid with 1 day left. Did not even drive it afterwards. Even worse, there are specific 1,500 mile break in instructions listed (and required to keep warranty on engine) and you know those aren’t being followed.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KmeMz7yb/2000-porsche-911-carrera-4-cabriolet

explorerx4

Hey oldfarmer50,
On Car and Bids
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lkEwP1N/1998-buick-riviera

graphicguy

Loved the style of that particular LeBaron. Also like that Riviera. If I could pick up both for between $5K-$6K, I’d send a check right now. Not sure what I’d do with them. Maybe start up another biz....“GG’s Beaters and Barn Finds”.

Question for the BMW folks wandering around in here....Is it just me, or does it seem BMW is likely to buy back their cars without much effort? Seems the ones I’ve seen with branded titles seem to be factory buy backs (without much in the way of having to go through the buy back gyrations).

ab348

Maybe we need a separate carsandbids board.

ab348

graphicguy said:

Question for the BMW folks wandering around in here....Is it just me, or does it seem BMW is likely to buy back their cars without much effort? Seems the ones I’ve seen with branded titles seem to be factory buy backs (without much in the way of having to go through the buy back gyrations).

I see a BMW in GG's future... :laughing:

tjc78

explorerx4 said:

Hey oldfarmer50,
On Car and Bids
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lkEwP1N/1998-buick-riviera

It’s like deja vu all over again!

oldfarmer50

pensfan83 said:

Manufacturer buyback it looks like.

Samcrac has a great video on buying a Lincoln buy back from a dealer that specializes in them. It left his wife stranded at an intersection in rush hour traffic.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

Interesting one, so far unloved. Wrong trans, lousy color combo, unpopular year. But I found the paperwork interesting. Obviously a flipper that bought a Clean car with busted engine. Adding up the invoices, the spend on engine rebuild and extras was $20k. Double the bid with 1 day left. Did not even drive it afterwards. Even worse, there are specific 1,500 mile break in instructions listed (and required to keep warranty on engine) and you know those aren’t being followed.

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KmeMz7yb/2000-porsche-911-carrera-4-cabriolet

I like that description of being AWD so you can drive it in the snow. I’ve seen a few cars like that flinging salty slush in winter that scream “lease” but the only owner I’ve ever seen doing it was a woman who drove her ex husband’s Z06 Corvette all winter for spite.

28firefighter

I don’t think BMW buys back easily so much as they have a subset of clientele that is very effective at being a squeaky wheel.

oldfarmer50

explorerx4 said:

Hey oldfarmer50,
On Car and Bids
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9lkEwP1N/1998-buick-riviera

Yeah, someone already dropped my name on that one. I remarked that cars & bids has lower standards than Craigslist, which is where that one belongs. My standards are pretty low but not that low. I don’t like my feet dragging on the pavement from “rust on the undercarriage”

For that price I got this:


AC works and no rust.

oldfarmer50

graphicguy said:

Loved the style of that particular LeBaron. Also like that Riviera. If I could pick up both for between $5K-$6K, I’d send a check right now. Not sure what I’d do with them. Maybe start up another biz....“GG’s Beaters and Barn Finds”.

Question for the BMW folks wandering around in here....Is it just me, or does it seem BMW is likely to buy back their cars without much effort? Seems the ones I’ve seen with branded titles seem to be factory buy backs (without much in the way of having to go through the buy back gyrations).

Here you go, under your limit even before negotiation:

https://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/d/allentown-1994-chrysler-le-baron/7157148157.html

https://reading.craigslist.org/cto/d/boyertown-1997-buick-riviera/7145967165.html

stickguy

I don’t see a clutch pedal in that convertible. But it does have a “new” motor in trans. I assume CL code for “pulled one out of the junkyard, may or may not be trash”.

oldfarmer50

I find this one interesting.
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/r4knaQoy/1992-ford-escort-cosworth

Never heard of it until Wheeler Dealers did one. Turns out the engineers wanted an extra wing underneath the existing one but Ford bean counters nixed the idea to save a few pennies.

roadburner

My father in law had one of those last Rivieras with that Lifebuoy soap styling theme; it wasn't horrible but it just seemed like a pale shadow of the Rivieras of the past. The sound system was mediocre and the interior trim looked particularly cheap. His prior Riv was a 1984, and it felt much more substantial. At least he never wasted his money on a Seventh generation (1986–1993) Riviera...

mjfloyd1

Here is a fixer upper

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2020/07/15/2020-corvette-that-fell-off-a-dealers-lift-is-now-listed-on-copart/?fbclid=IwAR3VvcLn1PkQt658tQthpaczJuQj7MR0dUYUYW_q-ONcqtibmH7Mo5VCNRg

28firefighter

mjfloyd1 said:

Here is a fixer upper

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2020/07/15/2020-corvette-that-fell-off-a-dealers-lift-is-now-listed-on-copart/?fbclid=IwAR3VvcLn1PkQt658tQthpaczJuQj7MR0dUYUYW_q-ONcqtibmH7Mo5VCNRg

Coming up next on Samcrac or WatchJRGo.

stickguy

Ouch. Going to be a hard fix. No parts out there. And fiberglass.

explorerx4

I think the middle wing on the Escort was left off for rear visibility, since it was a street car not a race version..

xwesx

stickguy said:

Ouch. Going to be a hard fix. No parts out there. And fiberglass.

Maybe just do a mid-engine swap on a late-model Corvair van. That would be one sick sleeper! I mean, the one time you really turn it loose before it kills you....

tjc78

roadburner said:

My father in law had one of those last Rivieras with that Lifebuoy soap styling theme; it wasn't horrible but it just seemed like a pale shadow of the Rivieras of the past. The sound system was mediocre and the interior trim looked particularly cheap. His prior Riv was a 1984, and it felt much more substantial. At least he never wasted his money on a Seventh generation (1986–1993) Riviera...

My paternal Grandfather was a big Riviera fan. He had a boat tail and then two or three of the 80s generation (pre-86). He wanted one of the new ones when they came out but the dealers were not discounting enough for him. Ended up with a loaded up Bonneville supercharged.

oldfarmer50

mjfloyd1 said:

Here is a fixer upper

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2020/07/15/2020-corvette-that-fell-off-a-dealers-lift-is-now-listed-on-copart/?fbclid=IwAR3VvcLn1PkQt658tQthpaczJuQj7MR0dUYUYW_q-ONcqtibmH7Mo5VCNRg

MSRP $64k, totally trashed and in a junkyard worth $58k? Yeah, that makes sense.

28firefighter

oldfarmer50 said:

mjfloyd1 said:

Here is a fixer upper

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2020/07/15/2020-corvette-that-fell-off-a-dealers-lift-is-now-listed-on-copart/?fbclid=IwAR3VvcLn1PkQt658tQthpaczJuQj7MR0dUYUYW_q-ONcqtibmH7Mo5VCNRg

MSRP $64k, totally trashed and in a junkyard worth $58k? Yeah, that makes sense.

Oh come on. That'll buff right out.

stickguy

Nice looking car. Love the color. Would be even better with tan or brown interior. Seems like a good price for a 2020.

https://www.eimports4less.com/details-2020-volvo-s60-certified_s60_t6_momentum_awd_-used-7jra22tk7lg041679.html