So... when I checked "pretty great" Carvana's number on the RDX landed at $17k. So even though the Audi is not a player, I've been very tempted by V60s but halfway talking myself out of all the possibilities.
I'll admit I had somewhat dismissed when anyone posted '17-18 model cars because they had all gone to the Drive-E powertrain, and I hadn't heard good things about the early ones (oil consumption due to bad rings). But some poking around on Swedespeed suggests they got those engines sorted well in time for the '17 model year. So maybe they are back on the table.
My gut feeling and experience with the 5-cyl turbo in my V70 had made me gravitate to the '16 T5 AWD models, BUT I come to find out that the later iterations of that engine had the same oil consumption/piston ring problems.
So what say the Volvo-philes who have some experience with the later generations? Won't look too hard for Platinum, long as it has the Convenience Package and the booty warmers. Not sure whether I'll actively avoid AWD and/or CC if I get into the Drive-E cars, so how much IS the handling penalty with those?
Any more insight on the oil consumption problem with the 5-cylinder cars?
I haven’t kept up on drive-e reliability, but CPO volvos have grabbed my attention due to the strong warranty. 5 yrs/unlimited mileage on a 2018 takes you out to 2023 in many examples, and they offer extensions up to 10 yrs/unlimited mileage. I don’t know the cost, though. Highest estimate I have seen is $3500, which could be a bit dear on a $25k car. But no hard data.
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I remember a lady at work saying one of her kids had that happen to one for her kids. Their F350 got flipped over by a car that ran into the side of it(well more underneath) while crossing an intersection.
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Let the shopping begin. I don’t need much of a reason. Making bank on a car that I’ve used for a year and a half for only insurance and gas, and pocketing a few greenbacks in the process makes this a whole lot more fun.
Was impressed with a Bronco I rode in a few weeks ago. Going to look at those today. Probably drop by the Volvo store, too.
Hooked up a quote with VROOM, too. They were the lowest of all the bids (CARVANA, CARMAX). They weren’t low by a little. They were low by a couple thousand dollars in comparison.
they all bounce around. Vroom was a couple grand more than carvana for the X2.
Just got the email with e-docs. They confirmed their buyout, which is what I estimated sans tax. So $1700 to us. Woohoo!
@28firefighter, I was thinking of showing my wife some pics of the interior and say "are you SURE you don't want a Jeep?" But then I pictured her trying to see out of that thing and maneuvering around our other cars in the driveway or park in a crowded lot and decided I'd rather she NOT have one!
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Good luck shopping @graphicguy. Sounds like you have a couple of days of great test drives ahead of you.
Love the Ranger @corvette. A friend just parted with his. Carvana put 2k in his pocket and he got an F150. I rode in the Ranger once and liked it. Power train was outstanding! His justification in trading...there wasn’t enough room in the console for 2 phones and drinks when his wife rode with him. True CCBA justification if I’ve ever heard it!
RE: Vroom etc, they were higher by a lot when I sold the Crosstrek last year and higher on the LC quote recently. Last place when I ran the X1 and yes, they were slooowww with the paperwork. Freaked me out a bit b/c I already had the LC before they could complete the paperwork, not to mention coordinate the pick up.
There’s got to be some serious algorithms running on these sites calculating vehicle, inventory, location, transport costs and the current market conditions.
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I’m not sure if its related to the chip shortage or if the new market is hot with people spending tax returns, stimulus money or used car profits but in my usual perusal of dealer sites, inventory is low, low, low.
- Zero Canyon’s or Colorado’s at 2 different Chevy and GMC dealers - Maybe 8 Yukon/Tahoe’s at the same 2 dealers - 4 Rangers - 2 Expeditions
Japanese makes seem to be better. The EX-L Pilot I was interested in was one of 28 EX-L’s. Local Toyota dealer had plenty of Highlanders and Camry’s. About a dozen each on Taco’s, Tundras and 4Runners.
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2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
But programs aren't very good right now. I'd need a 20% pre-incentive discount to get the payment within even $30 of where she wants to be. Used to be able to get that kind of discount on S60 loaners, but I doubt they'd do that on a V60 in this environment.
That's my favorite combo on the V60CC. I found the T5 to be a little underpowered for my liking but it's more than adequate, the V60CC is a great looking wagon.
oh, update on my family's foray into pandemic car flipping. Son drove a few things, and it really Jonesing for an S4. In a really bright blue (Turbo blue). Interesting in pictures, but I would have to see it in person.
Which would actually be easy, since it is 4 hours away from him, but only 20 from me (and about 5 from TJC).
Not thinking he will get his local dealer to come down to a good enough price to make a deal work, while also trading from that distance. So, might have to pick something else, or deal with them directly and come down to pick it up.
this isn't the car, but same color and wheels (part of the black optic package)
The Volvo CPO warranty is a good one, especially given the extendability of it, and also that once a Volvo has been sold as Certified, it remains certified. So I could pick up a 2-owner copy that's still in its CPO warranty, and extend it as appropriate for what I'll do with it.
BUT... these cars are pretty tough to find! Looks like the closest V60 to me that's being sold as CPO is in Nashville, almost 3 hrs away. Next closest are 4-5 hrs away near Chicago and Cleveland. Could do a Carmax or Carvana/Vroom scenario to get a non-CPO brought here.
Opening my search to '17-18 models definitely provides more possibilities, At that point does FWD become the way to go? I do have a little Murphy's Law-based hesitation about trading out of AWD, and where that might cause my career path to go! I think most of the AWD in those years were CC models, which I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Tricky thing is the only V60 I have driven was a '15.5 T5 AWD quite a while back, and the logistics of getting to drive a Drive-E version aren't entirely straightforward! Seems like there's a lot of commitment required just to test drive.
BTW.....the Supras around these parts can be bought somewhere between $42.5K-$43K. Plenty of stock and colors!
That’s a whole lot of “HOOT” for the money!
Is that for the 4-banger or the I6?
I4 price, that yellow one I test drove was the 6 cyl. The sticker wasn’t in the window, but had a $5K off sign in the seat.
Volvo was an XC40 Polestar.
That black roof on the Supra isn’t a factory thing, right?
And so the XC40 Recharge (electric)? I wasn’t aware of a Polestar engineered model of the XC40.
In any case, impressions to come?
The XC40 was dead Dino fueled. Sales person made that an emphatic point that it was Polestar. I think it said Polestar somewhere on the dash, too. Not being familiar with Volvos or the nomenclature, I’ll assume he was correct. He said it was the “sporty” version. OK! I’ll buy that.
Impressions.....in general, I can see the appeal. The interior was quite nice and the seats were suede. Add that to the general comfort of Volvo seats to begin with, and it’s a pleasant place to be. The big news is the big screen in the middle of the dash. Very easy to understand and to use. Took me all of a minute to understand how it functioned. Plus, the screen in front of the driver was easy to read and had a lot of good information (like map data in between the speedo and tach).
Materials and build were all top notch and the entire vehicle had a very pleasing aesthetic.
The downside.....steering was too light and imprecise for my taste...and this was the Polestar version. So, not sure what the “regular” XC40 would feel like. Brakes were good and linear. Transmission was a slight bit manic and shifted, not quite hard, but slightly on the less refined side of firm.
Engine was fine. Turbo 4 cyl. No discernible turbo lag to speak of. Got it up and going in a swift, if not a quick, manner. It was a bit unrefined sounding, though.
Plenty roomy inside, particularly given its outside dimensions. Cavernous? No. But, if you need something bigger, get a minivan or a large SUV.
All-in-all, if you’re a Volvo fan, you’d be a fan of this.
What a pleasure it was speaking to a sales person who was knowledgeable about his products. No pressure. No BS. Explained the car to me. Gave me the keys. Slapped a plate on it, and told me to please try to be back by 8:00 p.m. (when they closed). It was 6 when I got there.
Supra....not sure whether the black roof was aftermarket. No sticker on the window. As mentioned, there was a sign on the passenger seat (obviously meant for the window, but was dealer made) stating “$5K off sticker”.
So, the other ones, 3.0 with stickers, were all around that $52k(+) range. So, given no ADD for dealer extras, that ~$47+ price seems to be the ticket, at least around here. They had about 4-5 2.0s and about as many 3.0s....yellow, white, black, silver. Those were the colors I saw.
@breld, you probably could give a better impression than I can, as I only drove it for about 25-30 minutes.
But, here goes....the Supra is a BMW through and through, in case someone didn’t know that. A few cosmetics here and there, and a badge or two that let you know they tried to shamelessly disguise it as a Toyota. Still, there’s NO DOUBT it’s a BMW.
As such, it’s fast. It’s easy to drive fast. It was a perfect evening to drive it fast....dry, sunny, 65º. The nice young sales lady, who was new to the car sales job, didn’t stop me, but was clearly out of her element, let me kick the tail out a little bit.
I could not find the limits on it in my brief seat time. That’s high praise. I couldn’t really explore them much, though.
Backroads, highway, good pavement, a little broken pavement, nothing upset it.
Rides firm (natch). A bit claustrophobic inside, but I wasn’t uncomfortable.
Brakes were strong and easy to modulate. Steering was nicely weighted and communicative.
But, (there’s always a “but”) it would be little more than a 2nd car for me. I could not see it as a daily driver, unless I lived in a more temperate environment.
Not disrespect to BMW lovers (or Toyota lovers for that matter), but the Supra reminds me a lot of my Stinger. Yeah, the Supra is a little faster. But, there are a lot of similarities from a performance perspective. Maybe a track would yield more differences. But, given the hatch practicality and the overall “less quirkiness” of the Stinger, it might be the better solution (again, for me).
Not sure what the Stinger is selling for these days, but assuming it’s about the same as the Supra, taking one over the other? Probably take the Supra, for no other reason I’m giving the nod to Toyota’s service dept over that of Kia’s. Drop the price for the Stinger to $2K under the Supra, and certainly anywhere near what I originally paid? Stinger gets the nod, hands down.
It’s been 3-4 weeks, but my Supra just showed up on Carvana - they’ve listed it at $52,590.
I paid $47.7k new, they paid me $49.3k for it. I guess someone will pay their price, but that’s nuts.
That’s beyond bizarre but I guess if they can’t build new ones because of the chip shortage, paying through the nose for used must be an alternative for someone who just has to have one.
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BTW.....the Supras around these parts can be bought somewhere between $42.5K-$43K. Plenty of stock and colors!
That’s a whole lot of “HOOT” for the money!
Is that for the 4-banger or the I6?
I4 price, that yellow one I test drove was the 6 cyl. The sticker wasn’t in the window, but had a $5K off sign in the seat.
Volvo was an XC40 Polestar.
That black roof on the Supra isn’t a factory thing, right?
And so the XC40 Recharge (electric)? I wasn’t aware of a Polestar engineered model of the XC40.
In any case, impressions to come?
The XC40 was dead Dino fueled. Sales person made that an emphatic point that it was Polestar. I think it said Polestar somewhere on the dash, too. Not being familiar with Volvos or the nomenclature, I’ll assume he was correct. He said it was the “sporty” version. OK! I’ll buy that.
Impressions.....in general, I can see the appeal. The interior was quite nice and the seats were suede. Add that to the general comfort of Volvo seats to begin with, and it’s a pleasant place to be. The big news is the big screen in the middle of the dash. Very easy to understand and to use. Took me all of a minute to understand how it functioned. Plus, the screen in front of the driver was easy to read and had a lot of good information (like map data in between the speedo and tach).
Materials and build were all top notch and the entire vehicle had a very pleasing aesthetic.
The downside.....steering was too light and imprecise for my taste...and this was the Polestar version. So, not sure what the “regular” XC40 would feel like. Brakes were good and linear. Transmission was a slight bit manic and shifted, not quite hard, but slightly on the less refined side of firm.
Engine was fine. Turbo 4 cyl. No discernible turbo lag to speak of. Got it up and going in a swift, if not a quick, manner. It was a bit unrefined sounding, though.
Plenty roomy inside, particularly given its outside dimensions. Cavernous? No. But, if you need something bigger, get a minivan or a large SUV.
All-in-all, if you’re a Volvo fan, you’d be a fan of this.
What a pleasure it was speaking to a sales person who was knowledgeable about his products. No pressure. No BS. Explained the car to me. Gave me the keys. Slapped a plate on it, and told me to please try to be back by 8:00 p.m. (when they closed). It was 6 when I got there.
If the XC40 is anything like my two Volvos you can adjust steering effort in the menu.
I love the table style screen. Some have criticized it, saying when using car play much of it is wasted. I don’t find that to be an issue. The vertical orientation is easy to reach from the driver’s seat.
Are you looking SUV? I’d be interested in what you thought of the S60 in R-Design T6 or T8. The T6 would probably feel slow compared to the Stinger.
BTW.....the Supras around these parts can be bought somewhere between $42.5K-$43K. Plenty of stock and colors!
That’s a whole lot of “HOOT” for the money!
Is that for the 4-banger or the I6?
I4 price, that yellow one I test drove was the 6 cyl. The sticker wasn’t in the window, but had a $5K off sign in the seat.
Volvo was an XC40 Polestar.
That black roof on the Supra isn’t a factory thing, right?
And so the XC40 Recharge (electric)? I wasn’t aware of a Polestar engineered model of the XC40.
In any case, impressions to come?
The XC40 was dead Dino fueled. Sales person made that an emphatic point that it was Polestar. I think it said Polestar somewhere on the dash, too. Not being familiar with Volvos or the nomenclature, I’ll assume he was correct. He said it was the “sporty” version. OK! I’ll buy that.
Impressions.....in general, I can see the appeal. The interior was quite nice and the seats were suede. Add that to the general comfort of Volvo seats to begin with, and it’s a pleasant place to be. The big news is the big screen in the middle of the dash. Very easy to understand and to use. Took me all of a minute to understand how it functioned. Plus, the screen in front of the driver was easy to read and had a lot of good information (like map data in between the speedo and tach).
Materials and build were all top notch and the entire vehicle had a very pleasing aesthetic.
The downside.....steering was too light and imprecise for my taste...and this was the Polestar version. So, not sure what the “regular” XC40 would feel like. Brakes were good and linear. Transmission was a slight bit manic and shifted, not quite hard, but slightly on the less refined side of firm.
Engine was fine. Turbo 4 cyl. No discernible turbo lag to speak of. Got it up and going in a swift, if not a quick, manner. It was a bit unrefined sounding, though.
Plenty roomy inside, particularly given its outside dimensions. Cavernous? No. But, if you need something bigger, get a minivan or a large SUV.
All-in-all, if you’re a Volvo fan, you’d be a fan of this.
What a pleasure it was speaking to a sales person who was knowledgeable about his products. No pressure. No BS. Explained the car to me. Gave me the keys. Slapped a plate on it, and told me to please try to be back by 8:00 p.m. (when they closed). It was 6 when I got there.
Sounds like an overall great test drive experience, which is always a welcome thing.
As @stickguy pointed out, sounds like that XC40 had the optional Polestar tune - it varies a bit model to model, but it generally doesn’t amount to much other than a more aggressive setting for the shift points. And a cool badge. Having said that I’d take it - I was happy my V90 had it.
A few models are available in a T8 Polestar trim...the S60, V60, XC60. Those are PHEVs with the Polestar tune and upgraded suspension components (Ohlin dampers I believe) and unique wheels. Those are more special, but the pricing reflects it.
I recently test drove the XC40 Recharge (full electric) as a comparison to the Polestar 2. If you liked the overall design of the XC40, and could live with a 203 miles range, that has a bit over 400 hp. It’s quick.
An S60 T8 R-Design could be a nice option - no range anxiety being a plug-in, but still get a bit of that electric instant torque on take off. Sharp design, and something different.
I’m in Volvo mode right now given my strong consideration for a Polestar 2 - can you tell?
Great write-up on the Supra - not much to add on my end, even having lived with one for 9 months. You sum it up well with describing it as a BMW, through and through.
For a sports car, I thought it was extremely practical. The ride was firm for sure, but comfortable enough to drive day in and day out. The hatch isn’t huge, but more useful than say, a Miata. Perhaps a little challenging to get in and out of, but once I was in the driver’s seat, I found it very comfortable.
Very easy to get that tail out.
But yes, as practical as it is for what it is, I still wouldn’t recommend it as an only car for most people. Your Stinger combines much of the sportiness with an extra set of doors when needed (well, and an extra set of seats too) and I presume a much larger cargo area.
An S5 would do the same thing? A used 440i Gran Coupe?
You also seem open to different body styles - have you driven an X3 M40i?
I’ve gotta assume a new TLX is on the list to drive.
Vroom came back with $39K on the RDX. Still not quite sure of the payoff calculation with the lease, tax, etc. but that's higher than Carvana a month ago and $3,000 more than what AFS shows as the payoff. Assuming we moved forward and took a similar path as @qbrozen in securing a replacement by the fall, we'd bank 7 months worth of payments and pocket a few thousand in the process.
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Vroom came back with $39K on the RDX. Still not quite sure of the payoff calculation with the lease, tax, etc. but that's higher than Carvana a month ago and $3,000 more than what AFS shows as the payoff. Assuming we moved forward and took a similar path as @qbrozen in securing a replacement by the fall, we'd bank 7 months worth of payments and pocket a few thousand in the process.
The AFS payoff online actually includes sales tax. So you need to deduct that to get the actual (much larger) check amount coming to you.
But sounds like not long before you will be shopping again. But that’s ok, it’s just a lease and you weren’t married to it! Different story for us, since we bought ours and the wife is attached to it. And we don’t have 3 (or any) other cars in the fleet!
@breld.....didn’t know that about the Polestars. They had an electric XC40 on the charger, but the sales person said he had just “plugged it in”. So, I didn’t get to check it out.
Sort of interested in EVs. I like the idea of the Chevy Bolts with SuperCruise, though. Tried to test drive one of those at the local Chevy dealer. But, their sales guy turned me off as he didn’t show up for our appointment and was rude after I called him out regarding that. So, c’est la vie!
That’s an entirely different “mode of thinking” than where I’ve been in the past regarding an EV. Not sure what my tipping point would be to get my derrière into an EV. Suffice to say, I’m just “EV curious” right now.
As an addendum, I know Subaru has lots of loyal fans. Based on those reports, I wanted to see if I might be interested in a Susie. Stopped by to look at a Forrester and Outback last night. Two sales guys outside on a smoke break. I asked them who I should talk to about a test drive. They mumbled the next sales person who could help me was inside the store. So, went in...found him. He was working with another customer at the time. He informed me he’d be with me in a “few minutes”.
Wandered the lot looking at their vehicles for about 15 minutes. Went back inside to find the “up” sales person. Couldn’t find him. The two sales smokers outside seemed uninterested.
So, jumped into the Stinger and left.
Not so sure I want an SUV or wagon. There are times I think, “boy I could use a truck/wagon/suv right now”. But, after hauling mulch in the Stinger, I wonder if I really do.
That said, I’m going to test drive the new Bronco today. May stop and see my old sales friend at BMW, too.
I’ll get to the Acura store at some point, I’m sure.
Vroom came back with $39K on the RDX. Still not quite sure of the payoff calculation with the lease, tax, etc. but that's higher than Carvana a month ago and $3,000 more than what AFS shows as the payoff. Assuming we moved forward and took a similar path as @qbrozen in securing a replacement by the fall, we'd bank 7 months worth of payments and pocket a few thousand in the process.
The AFS payoff online actually includes sales tax. So you need to deduct that to get the actual (much larger) check amount coming to you.
But sounds like not long before you will be shopping again. But that’s ok, it’s just a lease and you weren’t married to it! Different story for us, since we bought ours and the wife is attached to it. And we don’t have 3 (or any) other cars in the fleet!
OK....since PA taxes the monthly payment we have 27 payments left as of today and the tax is $42.XX/payment, which totals $1,134 of unpaid tax. Deducting that from the payoff AFS shows a difference of around $4,100.
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Sort of interested in EVs. I like the idea of the Chevy Bolts with SuperCruise, though. Tried to test drive one of those at the local Chevy dealer. But, their sales guy turned me off as he didn’t show up for our appointment and was rude after I called him out regarding that. So, c’est la vie!
That’s an entirely different “mode of thinking” than where I’ve been in the past regarding an EV. Not sure what my tipping point would be to get my derrière into an EV. Suffice to say, I’m just “EV curious” right now.
I mean, since we are talking about test drives, so you know what I'm going to say. Y'know, just for fun...
Vroom came back with $39K on the RDX. Still not quite sure of the payoff calculation with the lease, tax, etc. but that's higher than Carvana a month ago and $3,000 more than what AFS shows as the payoff. Assuming we moved forward and took a similar path as @qbrozen in securing a replacement by the fall, we'd bank 7 months worth of payments and pocket a few thousand in the process.
The AFS payoff online actually includes sales tax. So you need to deduct that to get the actual (much larger) check amount coming to you.
But sounds like not long before you will be shopping again. But that’s ok, it’s just a lease and you weren’t married to it! Different story for us, since we bought ours and the wife is attached to it. And we don’t have 3 (or any) other cars in the fleet!
OK....since PA taxes the monthly payment we have 27 payments left as of today and the tax is $42.XX/payment, which totals $1,134 of unpaid tax. Deducting that from the payoff AFS shows a difference of around $4,100.
I think you might be in for even a more pleasant surprise...I believe the sales tax @stickguy is referring to is the tax you'd owe to buy the car from the leasing company. So your tax rate times the buyout amount (since you've only paid sales tax on the monthly payments to date).
@breld.....didn’t know that about the Polestars. They had an electric XC40 on the charger, but the sales person said he had just “plugged it in”. So, I didn’t get to check it out.
Sort of interested in EVs. I like the idea of the Chevy Bolts with SuperCruise, though. Tried to test drive one of those at the local Chevy dealer. But, their sales guy turned me off as he didn’t show up for our appointment and was rude after I called him out regarding that. So, c’est la vie!
That’s an entirely different “mode of thinking” than where I’ve been in the past regarding an EV. Not sure what my tipping point would be to get my derrière into an EV. Suffice to say, I’m just “EV curious” right now.
As an addendum, I know Subaru has lots of loyal fans. Based on those reports, I wanted to see if I might be interested in a Susie. Stopped by to look at a Forrester and Outback last night. Two sales guys outside on a smoke break. I asked them who I should talk to about a test drive. They mumbled the next sales person who could help me was inside the store. So, went in...found him. He was working with another customer at the time. He informed me he’d be with me in a “few minutes”.
Wandered the lot looking at their vehicles for about 15 minutes. Went back inside to find the “up” sales person. Couldn’t find him. The two sales smokers outside seemed uninterested.
So, jumped into the Stinger and left.
Not so sure I want an SUV or wagon. There are times I think, “boy I could use a truck/wagon/suv right now”. But, after hauling mulch in the Stinger, I wonder if I really do.
That said, I’m going to test drive the new Bronco today. May stop and see my old sales friend at BMW, too.
I’ll get to the Acura store at some point, I’m sure.
The VW Arteon could be an interesting alternative. Looks like a sedan yet it is a hatchback with ample room.
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Their F350 got flipped over by a car that ran into the side of it(well more underneath) while crossing an intersection.
Was impressed with a Bronco I rode in a few weeks ago. Going to look at those today. Probably drop by the Volvo store, too.
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Just got the email with e-docs. They confirmed their buyout, which is what I estimated sans tax. So $1700 to us. Woohoo!
@28firefighter, I was thinking of showing my wife some pics of the interior and say "are you SURE you don't want a Jeep?" But then I pictured her trying to see out of that thing and maneuvering around our other cars in the driveway or park in a crowded lot and decided I'd rather she NOT have one!
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Good luck shopping @graphicguy. Sounds like you have a couple of days of great test drives ahead of you.
Love the Ranger @corvette. A friend just parted with his. Carvana put 2k in his pocket and he got an F150. I rode in the Ranger once and liked it. Power train was outstanding! His justification in trading...there wasn’t enough room in the console for 2 phones and drinks when his wife rode with him. True CCBA justification if I’ve ever heard it!
RE: Vroom etc, they were higher by a lot when I sold the Crosstrek last year and higher on the LC quote recently. Last place when I ran the X1 and yes, they were slooowww with the paperwork. Freaked me out a bit b/c I already had the LC before they could complete the paperwork, not to mention coordinate the pick up.
There’s got to be some serious algorithms running on these sites calculating vehicle, inventory, location, transport costs and the current market conditions.
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- Zero Canyon’s or Colorado’s at 2 different Chevy and GMC dealers
- Maybe 8 Yukon/Tahoe’s at the same 2 dealers
- 4 Rangers
- 2 Expeditions
Japanese makes seem to be better. The EX-L Pilot I was interested in was one of 28 EX-L’s. Local Toyota dealer had plenty of Highlanders and Camry’s. About a dozen each on Taco’s, Tundras and 4Runners.
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This also can work:
That could not be real life! HA HA.
I paid $47.7k new, they paid me $49.3k for it. I guess someone will pay their price, but that’s nuts.
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Lets see how long it takes to sell it.
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Pretty clear what I test drove tonight.
That’s a whole lot of “HOOT” for the money!
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Which would actually be easy, since it is 4 hours away from him, but only 20 from me (and about 5 from TJC).
Not thinking he will get his local dealer to come down to a good enough price to make a deal work, while also trading from that distance. So, might have to pick something else, or deal with them directly and come down to pick it up.
this isn't the car, but same color and wheels (part of the black optic package)
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/830179623/overview/
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Volvo was an XC40 Polestar.
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And so the XC40 Recharge (electric)? I wasn’t aware of a Polestar engineered model of the XC40.
In any case, impressions to come?
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BUT... these cars are pretty tough to find! Looks like the closest V60 to me that's being sold as CPO is in Nashville, almost 3 hrs away. Next closest are 4-5 hrs away near Chicago and Cleveland. Could do a Carmax or Carvana/Vroom scenario to get a non-CPO brought here.
Opening my search to '17-18 models definitely provides more possibilities, At that point does FWD become the way to go? I do have a little Murphy's Law-based hesitation about trading out of AWD, and where that might cause my career path to go! I think most of the AWD in those years were CC models, which I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Tricky thing is the only V60 I have driven was a '15.5 T5 AWD quite a while back, and the logistics of getting to drive a Drive-E version aren't entirely straightforward! Seems like there's a lot of commitment required just to test drive.
Impressions.....in general, I can see the appeal. The interior was quite nice and the seats were suede. Add that to the general comfort of Volvo seats to begin with, and it’s a pleasant place to be. The big news is the big screen in the middle of the dash. Very easy to understand and to use. Took me all of a minute to understand how it functioned. Plus, the screen in front of the driver was easy to read and had a lot of good information (like map data in between the speedo and tach).
Materials and build were all top notch and the entire vehicle had a very pleasing aesthetic.
The downside.....steering was too light and imprecise for my taste...and this was the Polestar version. So, not sure what the “regular” XC40 would feel like. Brakes were good and linear. Transmission was a slight bit manic and shifted, not quite hard, but slightly on the less refined side of firm.
Engine was fine. Turbo 4 cyl. No discernible turbo lag to speak of. Got it up and going in a swift, if not a quick, manner. It was a bit unrefined sounding, though.
Plenty roomy inside, particularly given its outside dimensions. Cavernous? No. But, if you need something bigger, get a minivan or a large SUV.
All-in-all, if you’re a Volvo fan, you’d be a fan of this.
What a pleasure it was speaking to a sales person who was knowledgeable about his products. No pressure. No BS. Explained the car to me. Gave me the keys. Slapped a plate on it, and told me to please try to be back by 8:00 p.m. (when they closed). It was 6 when I got there.
So, the other ones, 3.0 with stickers, were all around that $52k(+) range. So, given no ADD for dealer extras, that ~$47+ price seems to be the ticket, at least around here. They had about 4-5 2.0s and about as many 3.0s....yellow, white, black, silver. Those were the colors I saw.
@breld, you probably could give a better impression than I can, as I only drove it for about 25-30 minutes.
But, here goes....the Supra is a BMW through and through, in case someone didn’t know that. A few cosmetics here and there, and a badge or two that let you know they tried to shamelessly disguise it as a Toyota. Still, there’s NO DOUBT it’s a BMW.
As such, it’s fast. It’s easy to drive fast. It was a perfect evening to drive it fast....dry, sunny, 65º. The nice young sales lady, who was new to the car sales job, didn’t stop me, but was clearly out of her element, let me kick the tail out a little bit.
I could not find the limits on it in my brief seat time. That’s high praise. I couldn’t really explore them much, though.
Backroads, highway, good pavement, a little broken pavement, nothing upset it.
Rides firm (natch). A bit claustrophobic inside, but I wasn’t uncomfortable.
Brakes were strong and easy to modulate. Steering was nicely weighted and communicative.
But, (there’s always a “but”) it would be little more than a 2nd car for me. I could not see it as a daily driver, unless I lived in a more temperate environment.
Not disrespect to BMW lovers (or Toyota lovers for that matter), but the Supra reminds me a lot of my Stinger. Yeah, the Supra is a little faster. But, there are a lot of similarities from a performance perspective. Maybe a track would yield more differences. But, given the hatch practicality and the overall “less quirkiness” of the Stinger, it might be the better solution (again, for me).
Not sure what the Stinger is selling for these days, but assuming it’s about the same as the Supra, taking one over the other? Probably take the Supra, for no other reason I’m giving the nod to Toyota’s service dept over that of Kia’s. Drop the price for the Stinger to $2K under the Supra, and certainly anywhere near what I originally paid? Stinger gets the nod, hands down.
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I love the table style screen. Some have criticized it, saying when using car play much of it is wasted. I don’t find that to be an issue. The vertical orientation is easy to reach from the driver’s seat.
Are you looking SUV? I’d be interested in what you thought of the S60 in R-Design T6 or T8. The T6 would probably feel slow compared to the Stinger.
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I think on that car, polestar is really just an engine tune.
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As @stickguy pointed out, sounds like that XC40 had the optional Polestar tune - it varies a bit model to model, but it generally doesn’t amount to much other than a more aggressive setting for the shift points. And a cool badge. Having said that I’d take it - I was happy my V90 had it.
A few models are available in a T8 Polestar trim...the S60, V60, XC60. Those are PHEVs with the Polestar tune and upgraded suspension components (Ohlin dampers I believe) and unique wheels. Those are more special, but the pricing reflects it.
I recently test drove the XC40 Recharge (full electric) as a comparison to the Polestar 2. If you liked the overall design of the XC40, and could live with a 203 miles range, that has a bit over 400 hp. It’s quick.
An S60 T8 R-Design could be a nice option - no range anxiety being a plug-in, but still get a bit of that electric instant torque on take off. Sharp design, and something different.
I’m in Volvo mode right now given my strong consideration for a Polestar 2 - can you tell?
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For a sports car, I thought it was extremely practical. The ride was firm for sure, but comfortable enough to drive day in and day out. The hatch isn’t huge, but more useful than say, a Miata. Perhaps a little challenging to get in and out of, but once I was in the driver’s seat, I found it very comfortable.
Very easy to get that tail out.
But yes, as practical as it is for what it is, I still wouldn’t recommend it as an only car for most people. Your Stinger combines much of the sportiness with an extra set of doors when needed (well, and an extra set of seats too) and I presume a much larger cargo area.
An S5 would do the same thing? A used 440i Gran Coupe?
You also seem open to different body styles - have you driven an X3 M40i?
I’ve gotta assume a new TLX is on the list to drive.
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But sounds like not long before you will be shopping again. But that’s ok, it’s just a lease and you weren’t married to it! Different story for us, since we bought ours and the wife is attached to it. And we don’t have 3 (or any) other cars in the fleet!
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Sort of interested in EVs. I like the idea of the Chevy Bolts with SuperCruise, though. Tried to test drive one of those at the local Chevy dealer. But, their sales guy turned me off as he didn’t show up for our appointment and was rude after I called him out regarding that. So, c’est la vie!
That’s an entirely different “mode of thinking” than where I’ve been in the past regarding an EV. Not sure what my tipping point would be to get my derrière into an EV. Suffice to say, I’m just “EV curious” right now.
As an addendum, I know Subaru has lots of loyal fans. Based on those reports, I wanted to see if I might be interested in a Susie. Stopped by to look at a Forrester and Outback last night. Two sales guys outside on a smoke break. I asked them who I should talk to about a test drive. They mumbled the next sales person who could help me was inside the store. So, went in...found him. He was working with another customer at the time. He informed me he’d be with me in a “few minutes”.
Wandered the lot looking at their vehicles for about 15 minutes. Went back inside to find the “up” sales person. Couldn’t find him. The two sales smokers outside seemed uninterested.
So, jumped into the Stinger and left.
Not so sure I want an SUV or wagon. There are times I think, “boy I could use a truck/wagon/suv right now”. But, after hauling mulch in the Stinger, I wonder if I really do.
That said, I’m going to test drive the new Bronco today. May stop and see my old sales friend at BMW, too.
I’ll get to the Acura store at some point, I’m sure.
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The VW Arteon could be an interesting alternative. Looks like a sedan yet it is a hatchback with ample room.
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