Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

kyfdx

qbrozen said:

Wife said something last night about looking at hybrids. She was also asking something like “why not another BMW?”

I know nothing about the ... it is a plug in? X3. I also haven’t seen any notable lease mentions, so I’m thinking they don’t pass along tax credits? I’ll have to look up how NJ taxes it. I think they still fully tax anything not full EV.

They don't pass along the tax credit as a rebate. Same program as the regular X3. Maybe, NJ would have some sort of incentive for a PHEV?

The lease programs aren't very good for any BMW SUV. Low residuals.

corvette

breld said:

Sounds like you have to be enthusiastic about the overall character of the Bronco Sport to really care to buy one, as it doesn’t necessarily offer anything great in driving dynamic.

I felt the same way about the Honda Element.

nyccarguy

Interesting one to watch:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9WDD1n7w/2000-acura-integra-gs-coupe

stickguy

I had one that vintage a few years ago. Same engine, but I think was an LS? Fun car, but I really didn’t fit well (not enough headroom). 175,000 miles and still ran great, and I think on original clutch.

fintail

If I was him, I'd let go of the Murcielago even if is the least valuable of the trio, and he apparently wants some cash flow (that angle seems to be a bit of a put-on in my eyes). The Diablo and Countach could end up being very good to hold, a bird in the hand so to speak - he may regret selling either, as one is an iconic car, and the other extremely rare.

corvette said:

I watched Hoovie's latest Lambo video yesterday... He may be the ultimate CCB, but also somewhat of a chronic car keeper.

fintail

Devoted ownership group. They could put a Yugo on a lift with larger wheels, call it a Yukon, and tens of thousands would sell.

au1994 said:

The ‘come in any time to drive a Tahoe’ made me chuckle. Talk about apples and kumquats. How GM sells 70, 80, 90k Tahoe’s, Suburbans, Yukons etc with this type of sales crew baffles me.

stickguy

Plan makes sense. That one isn’t going to go up in value as a collector car like the other two should.

But flipping the countach now to greatly improve financial situation was probably the best move. But he can always sell a few other cars as needed. He’s got plenty.

qbrozen

breld said:

@qbrozen.

One word for you...

Venza.



You’re welcome.

Ahead of you on that one. lol. Sadly, they don't package those the same as the Highlander (for example), so you have to go up to a Limited, and the programs on those are garbage right now. About $450/mo. Ouch. For a Toyota.

explorerx4

I'm sure the Bronco Sport will do well with it's intended audience, none of which post here.

breld

qbrozen said:

breld said:

@qbrozen.

One word for you...

Venza.



You’re welcome.

Ahead of you on that one. lol. Sadly, they don't package those the same as the Highlander (for example), so you have to go up to a Limited, and the programs on those are garbage right now. About $450/mo. Ouch. For a Toyota.

I was half joking given the reputation the Venza has around these parts...but I actually think this current model is a nice package.

pensfan83

First one I've seen somewhere other than BAT or C&B

corvette

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

@qbrozen.

One word for you...

Venza.



You’re welcome.

Ahead of you on that one. lol. Sadly, they don't package those the same as the Highlander (for example), so you have to go up to a Limited, and the programs on those are garbage right now. About $450/mo. Ouch. For a Toyota.

I was half joking given the reputation the Venza has around these parts...but I actually think this current model is a nice package.

Isn't it hybrid only? I think that powertrain has been panned as not being powerful enough in the new Sienna, but I guess the Venza weighs less.

qbrozen

breld said:

qbrozen said:

breld said:

@qbrozen.

One word for you...

Venza.



You’re welcome.

Ahead of you on that one. lol. Sadly, they don't package those the same as the Highlander (for example), so you have to go up to a Limited, and the programs on those are garbage right now. About $450/mo. Ouch. For a Toyota.

I was half joking given the reputation the Venza has around these parts...but I actually think this current model is a nice package.

Nah, it would have been a good choice .... EXCEPT I just now read that the moonroof in the Limited isn't a moonroof at all. It is a fixed glass pane. HUH?! Well, that rules that out for her.

Michaell

pensfan83 said:

First one I've seen somewhere other than BAT or C&B

Or a Bond movie?

explorerx4

Years ago, a C level finance guy from our parent company was put at our company for a while.
Everyone said he was a good guy. I had heard him speak at some company meetings, etc, and felt the same way.
Things got bad for our parent company and one day we got an email that he was 'leaving to pursue other interests'.
Was our for a walk and saw him exit the building toward the parking lot, so I kind met up with him just to say goodbye and good luck.
We parted ways when he stopped at his car. I looked at it and said, well at least it doesn't look like you will be living in a cardboard box or something like that.
He was getting in his brand new Z7.

graphicguy

breld said:

@qbrozen.

One word for you...

Venza.



You’re welcome.

Interestingly enough, when I visited the Toyota store this week to test drive the Supra, the sales lady wanted to show me all the colors they had, which were all stored in the back lot. Not a far walk, but she wanted to ride to them. She let me hop in the drivers’ seat of a Venza they use for customers and showed me where to drive to.

Understandably, it wasn’t far.....maybe a couple hundred yards. So, aside from very initial impressions, it’s not a bad vehicle. If you want some decent family transportation, it might be worth a look. It was a hybrid version, too.....40 MPG in town. Was expecting more low end torque with the e-motor helping, but in the brief time I drove it, that never presented itself. Under 30K, too.

Just came back from CarMax. No, drama! Dropped off the car and waited for an hour to get my check. That’s crazy, too. But, as long as there’s a check in hand, I’m good. Two other people there getting buy offers. And, they delivered a Corolla while I was waiting. Busy place.

Have to make up my mind whether I want a car, a truck or an SUV before I can get serious about anything.

Going to test a 3 series this afternoon.

sda

When Venza was suggested my mind was thinking Versa, lol. A slight difference. If the Venza only has fixed glass as the sunroof, that would be a no go for us as well. Both of us frequently drive with the sunroof open and really enjoy the pano-roof on the Q5.

stickguy

Venza is hybrid only. Basically a RAV 4 hybrid in a tux. And odd that the glass roof is fixed, but it is that fancy chromatic (?) glass that goes opaque when you hit a button.

breld

@graphicguy - congrats on the smooth Carmax sale! What a fun process you're embarking on!

The Polestar 2, like most other EVs, also has the fixed glass roof. The mechanically similar XC40 Recharge has a more traditional panoramic sunroof, with a retractable shade and all. That's one reason I'd give consideration to the XC40.

roadburner

kyfdx said:

pensfan83 said:

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:

roadburner said:

corvette said:

28firefighter said:

So, the battery has been finnicky in the ZHP for a few weeks and it finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Wouldn't even jump with my battery pack or AAA's - only came to life hooking up to the truck. The battery in it was a AAA with a manufacture date of, wait for it...2009! 12 years!

Suffice to say I let AAA install another battery for 175 and registered it using my OBD handheld. Here is to another 12 years?

I didn't think batteries in the E46 had to be registered--I thought that was an "innovation" in the E90 model.

Me too.

So it was in the software for E46 in my computer, and it let me register it, so no harm no foul?

I'd think so.

I hope so. With the battery in the trunk my tender ran to a plug on the back wall above my workbench and while there was slack in the cord, it was still stretched enough to be in the way. After finding it unplugged a few times and knocking out myself a few more, I pulled the battery out of the car and put it on my workbench. Before doing so I checked into whether an E46 needs the battery registered and found it didn't. It comes out of hibernation tomorrow so I guess we'll see. Running a line for a new plug is on the list of things to do.

I think I put two batteries in that car, over 10 years.

The OEM battery in the Club Sport lasted over 10 years. I replaced it before it failed because BMW batteries tend to fail completely with no warning- and I didn’t want to get caught out somewhere.

roadburner

pensfan83 said:

First one I've seen somewhere other than BAT or C&B

Satch Carlson has a Z8 that he named “Nancy Drew.” I need to cajole him into letting me drive it. When the Z8 first appeared a lot of people thought it would depreciate like the E31 8er.
No such luck.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

Wife said something last night about looking at hybrids. She was also asking something like “why not another BMW?”

I know nothing about the ... it is a plug in? X3. I also haven’t seen any notable lease mentions, so I’m thinking they don’t pass along tax credits? I’ll have to look up how NJ taxes it. I think they still fully tax anything not full EV.

I think what you're looking for is the i8.

28firefighter

roadburner said:

kyfdx said:

pensfan83 said:

roadburner said:

28firefighter said:

roadburner said:

corvette said:

28firefighter said:

So, the battery has been finnicky in the ZHP for a few weeks and it finally gave up the ghost yesterday. Wouldn't even jump with my battery pack or AAA's - only came to life hooking up to the truck. The battery in it was a AAA with a manufacture date of, wait for it...2009! 12 years!

Suffice to say I let AAA install another battery for 175 and registered it using my OBD handheld. Here is to another 12 years?

I didn't think batteries in the E46 had to be registered--I thought that was an "innovation" in the E90 model.

Me too.

So it was in the software for E46 in my computer, and it let me register it, so no harm no foul?

I'd think so.

I hope so. With the battery in the trunk my tender ran to a plug on the back wall above my workbench and while there was slack in the cord, it was still stretched enough to be in the way. After finding it unplugged a few times and knocking out myself a few more, I pulled the battery out of the car and put it on my workbench. Before doing so I checked into whether an E46 needs the battery registered and found it didn't. It comes out of hibernation tomorrow so I guess we'll see. Running a line for a new plug is on the list of things to do.

I think I put two batteries in that car, over 10 years.

The OEM battery in the Club Sport lasted over 10 years. I replaced it before it failed because BMW batteries tend to fail completely with no warning- and I didn’t want to get caught out somewhere.

Can confirm lol.

corvette

explorerx4 said:

we got an email that he was 'leaving to pursue other interests'.

That's corporate-speak for "fired."

stickguy

Not in this awful color, but this looks like a great truck let option. For what I need one to do at least!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ngnb57Umn0

fintail

On the road a few years ago outside Zurich (I was in a rented F-Type roadster, top down in the cold):




I think the Z8 has appreciated over original MSRP now.

pensfan83 said:

First one I've seen somewhere other than BAT or C&B

explorerx4

Sorry, I meant Z8, just going from memory a long time ago.
We all know what 'leaving to pursue other interests means', but if you're leaving in that car, things are not so bad.

au1994

explorerx4 said:

Sorry, I meant Z8, just going from memory a long time ago.
We all know what 'leaving to pursue other interests means', but if you're leaving in that car, things are not so bad.

Yep and at the C level the severance was likely pretty tasty.

au1994

stickguy said:

Not in this awful color, but this looks like a great truck let option. For what I need one to do at least!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ngnb57Umn0

Yeah, thats pretty cool. I could even live with the color. It will definitely get a test drive from me.

This was my hauling job this morning. Not far luckily. Told my wife I was stopping and getting a Gladiator on the way home.

ab348

graphicguy said:

Just came back from CarMax. No, drama! Dropped off the car and waited for an hour to get my check. That’s crazy, too. But, as long as there’s a check in hand, I’m good. Two other people there getting buy offers. And, they delivered a Corolla while I was waiting. Busy place.

I can't help but think you dodged a bullet by doing this. Even if the car itself proved to be trouble-free, I imagine that the resale will not be great on them in a couple of years. Plus now you get to do the merry-go-round again!

kyfdx

fintail said:

On the road a few years ago outside Zurich (I was in a rented F-Type roadster, top down in the cold):




I think the Z8 has appreciated over original MSRP now.

pensfan83 said:

First one I've seen somewhere other than BAT or C&B

Way over MSRP

ab348

stickguy said:

Venza is hybrid only. Basically a RAV 4 hybrid in a tux. And odd that the glass roof is fixed, but it is that fancy chromatic (?) glass that goes opaque when you hit a button.

Didn't somebody's son on here just buy one of them?

kyfdx

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

Venza is hybrid only. Basically a RAV 4 hybrid in a tux. And odd that the glass roof is fixed, but it is that fancy chromatic (?) glass that goes opaque when you hit a button.

Didn't somebody's son on here just buy one of them?

@imidazol97

explorerx4

@au1994,
Looks like a good job for a trailer.

pensfan83

My BMW dealer did the same video walk through @roadburner did. Very cool. Will need at least one front tire for inspection but I'll probably do 2. Otherwise a good bill of health though there's some preventative things I'll do when the indy shop I plan to use gets caught up.

au1994

explorerx4 said:

@au1994,
Looks like a good job for a trailer.

explorerx4 said:

@au1994,
Looks like a good job for a trailer.

You’re no fun. That doesn’t put a new truck in my driveway

Michaell

I, too, like the Santa Cruz. But, the big question is pricing. Edmunds says it will start at $35K for the NA 4-cyl, so who knows where the 2.5T will end up.

au1994

Michaell said:

I, too, like the Santa Cruz. But, the big question is pricing. Edmunds says it will start at $35K for the NA 4-cyl, so who knows where the 2.5T will end up.

Ouch. That would have to put the 2.5T around $38k I would think? That’s Ridgeline Sport territory which is bigger or into the nicely trimmed Tacoma territory if you want to go full on truck.

If I remember correctly, the Maverick will start lower.

Michaell

au1994 said:

Michaell said:

I, too, like the Santa Cruz. But, the big question is pricing. Edmunds says it will start at $35K for the NA 4-cyl, so who knows where the 2.5T will end up.

Ouch. That would have to put the 2.5T around $38k I would think? That’s Ridgeline Sport territory which is bigger or into the nicely trimmed Tacoma territory if you want to go full on truck.

If I remember correctly, the Maverick will start lower.

Yeah, but you're only getting 75% of the number of cylinders. :laughing:

I'll wait to see where the official pricing lands. I gotta believe the base trim should be under $30K, with the turbo a few grand higher. I can't see this competing against the Ridgeline, TBH.

nyccarguy

Uh - oh. This can’t be good. This materialized while my wife was running errands this afternoon. Pilot went into limp mode and wouldn’t go past 30 mph.

au1994

Michaell said:

au1994 said:

Michaell said:

I, too, like the Santa Cruz. But, the big question is pricing. Edmunds says it will start at $35K for the NA 4-cyl, so who knows where the 2.5T will end up.

Ouch. That would have to put the 2.5T around $38k I would think? That’s Ridgeline Sport territory which is bigger or into the nicely trimmed Tacoma territory if you want to go full on truck.

If I remember correctly, the Maverick will start lower.

Yeah, but you're only getting 75% of the number of cylinders. :laughing:

I'll wait to see where the official pricing lands. I gotta believe the base trim should be under $30K, with the turbo a few grand higher. I can't see this competing against the Ridgeline, TBH.

No, it won’t compete with the Ridgeline, just too small. Its a bold move by Ford and Hyundai as they are essentially trying to create a market. There’s nothing car/CUV based with an open bed in the US market right now. Lots of these by other manufacturers in the ROW. VW makes a couple of cool ones.

au1994

nyccarguy said:

Uh - oh. This can’t be good. This materialized while my wife was running errands this afternoon. Pilot went into limp mode and wouldn’t go past 30 mph.

Ugghh. I hate that for you. Check Piloteers.org, there may be some guidance there. Here’s hoping for a simple fix like a bad sensor.

ab348

nyccarguy said:

Uh - oh. This can’t be good. This materialized while my wife was running errands this afternoon. Pilot went into limp mode and wouldn’t go past 30 mph.

Still under warranty I hope?

kyfdx

Not with 67K miles

ab348

I see the fuel tank is full. The emissions warning might be a loose fuel cap.

tjc78

That sucks @nyccarguy hopefully just a cheap sensor.

Did someone say Santa Cruz? Was just coming here to post this.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeuE8d9X/

stickguy

Edmunds is way off on the base pricing. That is a loaded up version price ($35K)

I think the Maverick is more Truck proportioned. Really a spiritual successor to the original ranger. Should have a bit longer bed too. But no where near as nice interior.

stickguy

Maverick should also be a lot cheaper. Will IMO sell like hotcakes if cheap.

imidazol97

ab348 said:

stickguy said:

Venza is hybrid only. Basically a RAV 4 hybrid in a tux. And odd that the glass roof is fixed, but it is that fancy chromatic (?) glass that goes opaque when you hit a button.

Didn't somebody's son on here just buy one of them?

Son and wife love the Venza. They shopped for a relatively short time. They are late 30's and they wanted hybrid or EV (!!!). Against my advice son decided on hybrid when I told him a straight 2.5 L Toyota engine was best value. Key
is he did NOT like the front appearance of various Toyota sedans. Not the RAV4 and Lexus models fronts.

This Venza is a Japan built version of a Toyota Harrier. They share a link back a step or so with the Rav4. Lots of technology. All technology. Pana roof is variable as to how much light comes in. Not moveable.

Loves the car with its cargo room greater than their Encore. Downside is the glass roof means no roof racks for their kayak racks. So that stays on Encore. AND lost the foot sensor for the tailgate due to adding the Activity Hitch to hold the bike racks.

Bought Limited model because of real leather seats and dealer was pushing discounting to make the sale above an XLE model.

xwesx

No roof rack?! That's rather unique, actually. There are very few vehicles where you simply cannot put on a roof rack (whether from the manufacturer or through the aftermarket).