I read your comment Looks like a lot of the repairs done to that ML mirror what you've experienced. I am a bit surprised so many issues at relatively low miles. My thinking of higher mileage is 150K+. Of course 30 years ago it was more around 100k, lol.
Back in the 60’s and 70’s the half life of domestic cars was 50K miles if you were lucky.
jmonroe
I ran a 69’ Plymouth Satellite up to 160k miles so it could be done.
There are always exceptions. How much of the engine/tranny/suspension were original at the end?
BTW, where you live I’m surprised that rust didn’t kill before 80K miles
jmonroe
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@stickguy said:
now this, IMO, is the way to do a resto mod. I love it, even the colot. Very authentic looking, but all the modern capabilities you want to be able to use it. And not at all overdone. I guess this is about as close to a modern 1969 as you can get!
I read your comment Looks like a lot of the repairs done to that ML mirror what you've experienced. I am a bit surprised so many issues at relatively low miles. My thinking of higher mileage is 150K+. Of course 30 years ago it was more around 100k, lol.
Back in the 60’s and 70’s the half life of domestic cars was 50K miles if you were lucky.
jmonroe
I ran a 69’ Plymouth Satellite up to 160k miles so it could be done.
I read your comment Looks like a lot of the repairs done to that ML mirror what you've experienced. I am a bit surprised so many issues at relatively low miles. My thinking of higher mileage is 150K+. Of course 30 years ago it was more around 100k, lol.
Back in the 60’s and 70’s the half life of domestic cars was 50K miles if you were lucky.
jmonroe
I ran a 69’ Plymouth Satellite up to 160k miles so it could be done.
There are always exceptions. How much of the engine/tranny/suspension were original at the end?
BTW, where you live I’m surprised that rust didn’t kill before 80K miles
jmonroe
The engine was original except for a few valves that got bent thanks to the timing chain falling off at 139k. The transmission was rebuilt at about 120k because as a kid we would have drop patch burn out competitions.
The rust did a number on it of course to the point where if you pulled the rear seat back forward and threw your empty beer cans into the trunk they would roll out through the holes in the rear quarter. The front fenders (which had no inner fenders) rusted to the point where the car would put up rooster tails when driving in the rain.
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I couldn’t get myself to pay 44k for a 2017. The silver one, that looks like a good deal. Same price as the Accord too. Something like that I might do if it was by me.
Same price as the Si I looked at (with ADM), and probably close to the Integra at MSRP.
Punch to report. I believe I mentioned the plan to buy my BiL’s 2011 328 sedan for au1994 jr. Well, the transaction has been completed. We wanted him to have about a month of seat time before he turns 16 so he will indeed have a Merry Christmas!
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Punch to report. I believe I mentioned the plan to buy my BiL’s 2011 328 sedan for au1994 jr. Well, the transaction has been completed. We wanted him to have about a month of seat time before he turns 16 so he will indeed have a Merry Christmas!
our sons are very close in age. Mine (the older one) is turning 16 in 2 months and 1 day. He wants me to give him some seat time over the holiday break. He will be starting driver's ed in April, I believe.
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My son is 7, I’m thinking by the time he drives even something like a Sonic or Accent will have self drive available as an option and all the safety nannies standard.
Not sure where the poor people, entry level cars for new drivers are coming from though.
No kidding. Had we not been able to work this deal with my BiL I am not sure what we would have done. Likely bit the bullet and overpaid for something for my wife and passed on the X1 to Jr. More financial commitment than we really wanted to make but in this market, at the low price point we were looking for him, I shudder to think what we would have ended up with.
My BiL has a company car and thats what allowed us to do this. He estimates he put 1k miles on the BMW this year.
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there is a very smart and interesting article about green energy and electric cars by physicist and engineer Mark P Mills. Some of the main points:
Among the material realities of green energy:
Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society.
A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones.
Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plans—never mind aspirations for far greater expansion—will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile.
Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build green machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil.
By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panels—much of it nonrecyclable—will constitute double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage.
My son is 7, I’m thinking by the time he drives even something like a Sonic or Accent will have self drive available as an option and all the safety nannies standard.
In 9 years he can probably have his pick of my fleet at an estate sale.
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Not sure where the poor people, entry level cars for new drivers are coming from though.
No kidding. Had we not been able to work this deal with my BiL I am not sure what we would have done. Likely bit the bullet and overpaid for something for my wife and passed on the X1 to Jr. More financial commitment than we really wanted to make but in this market, at the low price point we were looking for him, I shudder to think what we would have ended up with.
My BiL has a company car and thats what allowed us to do this. He estimates he put 1k miles on the BMW this year.
Stop that, we’re all thinking emotionally these days. Logic and facts have no place here.
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each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth
By no means am I a greenie, and I often argue the consumption of materials and real estate for these things, but statements like these weaken a position. It is obviously not true. What he means is that materials are extracted from 5 pounds of earth, but only a very small percentage is “consumed” and the rest goes back to whence it came.
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Not sure where the poor people, entry level cars for new drivers are coming from though.
No kidding. Had we not been able to work this deal with my BiL I am not sure what we would have done. Likely bit the bullet and overpaid for something for my wife and passed on the X1 to Jr. More financial commitment than we really wanted to make but in this market, at the low price point we were looking for him, I shudder to think what we would have ended up with.
My BiL has a company car and thats what allowed us to do this. He estimates he put 1k miles on the BMW this year.
each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth
By no means am I a greenie, and I often argue the consumption of materials and real estate for these things, but statements like these weaken a position. It is obviously not true. What he means is that materials are extracted from 5 pounds of earth, but only a very small percentage is “consumed” and the rest goes back to whence it came.
Agreed there are certainly a lot of extremes used in that article, but there are some valid points.
Manhattan Institute? Oh boy. From their website- Anytime you hear things like "foster greater economic choice and individual responsibility", it's time to google where the funding comes from. I won't spoil it, but you shouldn't be surprised. After the ridiculous cobalt quote made it clear that it was a hit piece, I just had to look...
Not sure where the poor people, entry level cars for new drivers are coming from though.
No kidding. Had we not been able to work this deal with my BiL I am not sure what we would have done. Likely bit the bullet and low for something for my wife and passed on the X1 to Jr. More financial commitment than we really wanted to make but in this market, at the price point we were looking for him, I shudder to think what we would have ended up with.
My BiL has a company car and thats what allowed us to do this. He estimates he put 1k miles on the BMW this year.
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yowzers. Watching a Ford dealer livestream (guy in Kansas that is a big Maverick guru now, and dealer that has ordered a huge number of them from all over the country).
he was talking about what they were selling any units that customers ordered but didn't take. He said they are looking at Manheim, dealer auction results and marking up from that to get retail. Those are going 5-10K OVER sticker. At the dealer auction. If they get any stock units they will sell XL and XLT for 5K ADM, and Hybrids and Lariats for 7.5K.
now I am getting excited for mine to show up next week!
yowzers. Watching a Ford dealer livestream (guy in Kansas that is a big Maverick guru now, and dealer that has ordered a huge number of them from all over the country).
he was talking about what they were selling any units that customers ordered but didn't take. He said they are looking at Manheim, dealer auction results and marking up from that to get retail. Those are going 5-10K OVER sticker. At the dealer auction. If they get any stock units they will sell XL and XLT for 5K ADM, and Hybrids and Lariats for 7.5K.
now I am getting excited for mine to show up next week!
When there is that kind of money to be made you better hope yours didn’t go right to the Manheim auction block.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis Ultimate just like jmonroe's. '18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
There is a story in Automotive News behind their paywall apparently about a KPMG report that used car prices are about to fall, maybe even crash, I dunno. More research reqd.
I saw something on Youtube (from the YAA channel) talking about that. IIRC, one of the experts they had on said it was more toward a Q3, or into early 2023, likelihood. Though Omicron could throw a wrench in things of course. But until new cars ramp up significantly, the supply of used isn't going to go up, and the demand isn't going down.
hopefully anyone that bought or leased to flip gets their sales down before prices crash if they do. Or they like what they buy if they need to keep them.
Breld got my interest piqued with all those RWD BMWs out by him (seems like CO would be more AWD centric, but maybe not?) So I did a quick cars.com search. BMWS, 2018+, up to $40,000. 30 miles of me.
255 listings. 1 manual trans. And I did check, unlike many listings it was actually true. This one, which I happen to even like a bit. Love the insides. Not a fan of the black but at least it matches, and a big 2 door is not really what I am looking for. but at least the deal does not seem absurd.
Edit: read the Carfax. normal stuff, other than a new clutch put in at 18,800 miles. Somebody in Miami must not have been good at driving a manual. But, only 6 months/1,500 miles ago, so probably a good thing. Better than finding out 6 months from now it needs one!
@explorerx4 said: @qbrozen,
The extraction process is key. Do you think the minerals being mined for just magically separate from the other mined material?
Of course not. But I’m not following what that has to do with the leftovers. I’m assuming they don’t launch it into space. I could be wrong. I picture it like a bunch of 49’ers with pans knee deep in the river. All the stuff they don’t want goes right back in the river.
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BTW, where you live I’m surprised that rust didn’t kill before 80K miles
jmonroe
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Sounds like the steering wasn’t communicative enough for a sports sedan.
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Love it. But odd to do all that work and say “eh, the next guy can adjust the driver’s door.”
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Really should have kept my very cheap 228i that I had stumbled upon a couple years ago.
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Also very expensive, which is not surprising.
2017 340 manual
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The rust did a number on it of course to the point where if you pulled the rear seat back forward and threw your empty beer cans into the trunk they would roll out through the holes in the rear quarter. The front fenders (which had no inner fenders) rusted to the point where the car would put up rooster tails when driving in the rain.
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2018 330i
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Accord Sport
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https://www.schompmini.com/inventory/used-2021-audi-rs-6-avant-awd-station-wagon-wua1caf2xmn901771
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Same price as the Si I looked at (with ADM), and probably close to the Integra at MSRP.
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I should have bought your 228 too.
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He’s got a heavy foot but he comes by that naturally. We’ll be keeping a close eye on that via Life360.
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I’m not ready for any of that yet!
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My son is 7, I’m thinking by the time he drives even something like a Sonic or Accent will have self drive available as an option and all the safety nannies standard.
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My BiL has a company car and thats what allowed us to do this. He estimates he put 1k miles on the BMW this year.
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Among the material realities of green energy:
Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society.
A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones.
Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plans—never mind aspirations for far greater expansion—will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile.
Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build green machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil.
By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panels—much of it nonrecyclable—will constitute double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage.
The entire piece here:
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/mines-minerals-and-green-energy-reality-check
Just goes to show you the statement “There is no free lunch” speaks a lot of truth.
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By no means am I a greenie, and I often argue the consumption of materials and real estate for these things, but statements like these weaken a position. It is obviously not true. What he means is that materials are extracted from 5 pounds of earth, but only a very small percentage is “consumed” and the rest goes back to whence it came.
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"the rest goes back to whence it came." Also not true.
Agreed there are certainly a lot of extremes used in that article, but there are some valid points.
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Where do you think it goes? And I mean back to the earth, fyi, not necessarily the exact spot in the earth it came from.
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From their website-
Anytime you hear things like "foster greater economic choice and individual responsibility", it's time to google where the funding comes from. I won't spoil it, but you shouldn't be surprised. After the ridiculous cobalt quote made it clear that it was a hit piece, I just had to look...
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The extraction process is key. Do you think the minerals being mined for just magically separate from the other mined material?
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he was talking about what they were selling any units that customers ordered but didn't take. He said they are looking at Manheim, dealer auction results and marking up from that to get retail. Those are going 5-10K OVER sticker. At the dealer auction. If they get any stock units they will sell XL and XLT for 5K ADM, and Hybrids and Lariats for 7.5K.
now I am getting excited for mine to show up next week!
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jmonroe
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If used car prices crash, I smell opportunity.
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hopefully anyone that bought or leased to flip gets their sales down before prices crash if they do. Or they like what they buy if they need to keep them.
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255 listings. 1 manual trans. And I did check, unlike many listings it was actually true. This one, which I happen to even like a bit. Love the insides. Not a fan of the black but at least it matches, and a big 2 door is not really what I am looking for. but at least the deal does not seem absurd.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/9a0e344b-dd44-4858-b134-c7493e470905/
Edit: read the Carfax. normal stuff, other than a new clutch put in at 18,800 miles. Somebody in Miami must not have been good at driving a manual. But, only 6 months/1,500 miles ago, so probably a good thing. Better than finding out 6 months from now it needs one!
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Of course not. But I’m not following what that has to do with the leftovers. I’m assuming they don’t launch it into space. I could be wrong. I picture it like a bunch of 49’ers with pans knee deep in the river. All the stuff they don’t want goes right back in the river.
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