Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

after 30 miles, I am impressed so far!

I can see why they have been so popular. And I expect they will be even more so after some get out in circulation.

benjaminh

Congrats stickguy! Looks great. And what an amazing deal in this market!

sda

stickguy said:

after 30 miles, I am impressed so far!

I can see why they have been so popular. And I expect they will be even more so after some get out in circulation.

Congrats! More pics, interior, observations as you have a chance. I’m impressed. Home Depot trips will now be a snap! I hope you and your wife really enjoy this new toy.

ab348

Refresh our memories on the Maverick's trim level, powertrain, and any options selected. Looks good in that paint color!

roadburner

@oldfarmer50 said:
I thought BMW V8s were no bueno?

If I could afford to spend $150k on a car I could afford an extended warranty to match.

Michaell

Well, shoot.

Showed the wife the picture of @stickguy’s Maverick, and got a thumbs down. Too long in front, too stubby in the back.

corvette

I'm with @ab348 - I can't remember whether this was a hybrid or not?

ab348

Michaell said:

Well, shoot.

Showed the wife the picture of @stickguy’s Maverick, and got a thumbs down. Too long in front, too stubby in the back.

I don't see how it could possibly be any shorter in the front. If she was looking at the pic of it in the garage, the angle is deceiving her.

ab348

corvette said:

I'm with @ab348 - I can't remember whether this was a hybrid or not?

Well, I believe he has several on order.

stickguy

I don't think it is really long in front (the hood). Just looks it because it is more boxy. But yes, stubby in the back but even an F150 looks that way from the side (to a much larger scale!) Looks different in person IMO.

this one is probably pretty rare spec. A Lariat (top trim level) without the luxury package, and a FWD 2.0T engine. Added on copilot 360, a moonroof (or course) and trailer hitch.

the other one on order is an XLT, luxury package, hybrid.

roadburner

graphicguy said:

roadburner said:

I found an M240i xDrive in Illinois. It has everything I want, but two things I don't- AWD and a hole in the roof...

Dealership? Which one? I’ll take your scraps.

Isringhausen- it has the Cooling and High Performance Tire Package and even the illuminated M door trim. The Brooklyn Gray is nice, but I'd want the OTT Thundernight (purple).

My wife told me to drive up there and buy it, but I refuse to compromise.

roadburner

It looks like I’ll be holding on to the 2er for the foreseeable future as every potential replacement is either unobtainable or too expensive.
So, today I spent some time with the Bronco and Wrangler configurators. As it turns out, there’s not much difference in price when they are comparably equipped. If I go with something new it will almost certainly be a two door Wrangler Willys- with Alpine audio, the Cold Weather Package, and the hardtop. I’d go with the turbo four and ZF 8HP as that combination both quicker and more economical than the V6. On paper the Jeep is $1,060 more than a comparable Outer Banks but I can probably knock that number down considerably.

roadburner

@Michaell said:
Well, shoot.

Showed the wife the picture of @stickguy’s Maverick, and got a thumbs down. Too long in front, too stubby in the back.

The only pickup my wife likes is the Gladiator.

qbrozen

@stickguy , congrats. Looks good. Top trim but no XM? Seems odd.

explorerx4

I'm pretty sure no NAV or Sat radio in the Maverick.
That stuff is for old people.

jmonroe1

stickguy said:

Kinda looks like Old Man’s Gray. Flip out of it before the color grows on ya.

Good luck with it.

jmonroe

mjfloyd1

@roadburner said:
It looks like I’ll be holding on to the 2er for the foreseeable future as every potential replacement is either unobtainable or too expensive.
So, today I spent some time with the Bronco and Wrangler configurators. As it turns out, there’s not much difference in price when they are comparably equipped. If I go with something new it will almost certainly be a two door Wrangler Willys- with Alpine audio, the Cold Weather Package, and the hardtop. I’d go with the turbo four and ZF 8HP as that combination both quicker and more economical than the V6. On paper the Jeep is $1,060 more than a comparable Outer Banks but I can probably knock that number down considerably.

Get the LED lights too

roadburner

mjfloyd1 said:

@roadburner said:

It looks like I’ll be holding on to the 2er for the foreseeable future as every potential replacement is either unobtainable or too expensive.

So, today I spent some time with the Bronco and Wrangler configurators. As it turns out, there’s not much difference in price when they are comparably equipped. If I go with something new it will almost certainly be a two door Wrangler Willys- with Alpine audio, the Cold Weather Package, and the hardtop. I’d go with the turbo four and ZF 8HP as that combination both quicker and more economical than the V6. On paper the Jeep is $1,060 more than a comparable Outer Banks but I can probably knock that number down considerably.

Get the LED lights too

Agreed- they are standard on that package.

tjc78

Congrats @stickguy ! I like it.

nyccarguy

Way to go @stickguy ! Congrats on possibly the year’s last punch. What’s our total?

qbrozen

I don’t have the room for it but someone should save this poor thing and fix all the wrong that has been thrust upon it. It isn’t too much, really.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-plymouth-barracuda-2/

corvette

nyccarguy said:

What’s our total?

I've got 35 assuming @breld doesn't do any last-minute shopping.

corvette

I also forgot to mention--the Toyota lot looked very bare. Almost nothing new, mostly used stuff. The adjacent Hyundai and Mazda lots seemed to have more new inventory.

stickguy

XM only comes on it if you add the Lariat Luxury package. No navi option at all, which is fine by me. They assume you will use your phone, which I do. Same I assume for the music. That I need to spend some time playing with. I have the XM app but never used it so I might figure that out tomorrow.

corvette

Here is the short list for options when the Tundra's lease ends:
• Buy Tundra lease out
• Lease a Tacoma
• Order Ford Maverick
• Buy used Jeep Cherokee 2.0T AWD
• Buy new Honda CR-V 1.5T with performance chip (This is the dark horse and might work, but unfortunately, there does not seem to be good data on the effectiveness of the chips that are on the market for this engine.)

The top two are the most likely scenarios, but I'm open to suggestions. I had an EV and a couple of PHEVs on the list (VW ID.4, Toyota RAV4 Prime, 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV), but the usefulness of the tax credits to me is in peril given that they are non-refundable credits and that there have been proposals to limit or eliminate the ability to do Roth IRA conversions, which I otherwise could use to recoup the credit. In the case of the RAV4 Prime, it seems that the only ones being produced are loaded models, and they command a substantial premium over MSRP, and I'd only be interested in a lower trim model *if* I could snag it for sticker price and could claim the tax credit.

jmonroe1

corvette said:

Here is the short list for options when the Tundra's lease ends:
• Buy Tundra lease out
• Lease a Tacoma
• Order Ford Maverick
• Buy used Jeep Cherokee 2.0T AWD
• Buy new Honda CR-V 1.5T with performance chip (This is the dark horse and might work, but unfortunately, there does not seem to be good data on the effectiveness of the chips that are on the market for this engine.)

The top two are the most likely scenarios, but I'm open to suggestions. I had an EV and a couple of PHEVs on the list (VW ID.4, Toyota RAV4 Prime, 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV), but the usefulness of the tax credits to me is in peril given that they are non-refundable credits and that there have been proposals to limit or eliminate the ability to do Roth IRA conversions, which I otherwise could use to recoup the credit. In the case of the RAV4 Prime, it seems that the only ones being produced are loaded models, and they command a substantial premium over MSRP, and I'd only be interested in a lower trim model *if* I could snag it for sticker price and could claim the tax credit.

Picky, picky, picky. What else do you want from a car purchase? Maybe someone to give you money to pay for it, huh?

Happy New Year, y’all.

jmonroe

Sandman6472

Happy New Year from sunny & hot South Florida! Do us a favor, please send some cold weather down here, it's been a very warm winter so far...too warm!! Luckily, they fixed our a/c this afternoon.

qbrozen

HAPPY 2022 (5 mins early)

Michaell

ab348 said:

Michaell said:

Well, shoot.

Showed the wife the picture of @stickguy’s Maverick, and got a thumbs down. Too long in front, too stubby in the back.

I don't see how it could possibly be any shorter in the front. If she was looking at the pic of it in the garage, the angle is deceiving her.

I showed her the full on side pic.

Admittedly, she's not much into cars, but she knows what looks good to her.

Michaell

Sandman6472 said:

Happy New Year from sunny & hot South Florida! Do us a favor, please send some cold weather down here, it's been a very warm winter so far...too warm!! Luckily, they fixed our a/c this afternoon.

Currently 14 degrees here in Colorado.

Supposed to drop into single digits mid-morning tomorrow, then warm back up to the teens.

Predicted lows tomorrow night are close to 0.

Cold enough for you? Care to move back to NY?

benjaminh

Although the acceleration times in most car magazines are somewhat bogus, they are still useful for comparison. Anyway, Car and Driver has just tested a Maverick 2.0 awd, and they got a 0-60 time of 5.9, which is not that far from a base BMW 330i at 5.6. Anyway, for the money the Maverick is a fast vehicle.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38516737/2022-ford-maverick-xlt-fx4-by-the-numbers/

stickguy: Did you end up going for the 0% financing? If so, those payments of c. 750 a month are steep, but the equity will obviously build up very quickly. Even right now you could probably sell it for several thousand more than what you bought it for.

The latest I heard on the chip shortage is that it will only slowly abate in 2022. According to one article I saw, things aren't likely to truly get back to "normal," whatever that is, probably until the second half of 2023. If true, this will likely mean that there won't be a sudden collapse of car prices. With all the lost production and pent up demand we've got, used and new vehicle prices are likely to remain high for the first half of 2022, and then only slowly start to decline after that. And so in 6 months or so when your Maverick hybrid arrives you should still be able to pocket a handy profit on your 2.0 Maverick as you make the trade.

tjc78

@stickguy said:
XM only comes on it if you add the Lariat Luxury package. No navi option at all, which is fine by me. They assume you will use your phone, which I do. Same I assume for the music. That I need to spend some time playing with. I have the XM app but never used it so I might figure that out tomorrow.

With Apple Car Play the XM app is pretty much the same as built in XM.

Happy New Year everyone!

tjc78

@qbrozen said:
I don’t have the room for it but someone should save this poor thing and fix all the wrong that has been thrust upon it. It isn’t too much, really.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-plymouth-barracuda-2/

The obvious stuff isn’t too scary. I’d be concerned about what you can’t see. I agree it has potential.

graphicguy

Congrats @stickguy ……very cool!

au1994

Happy New Year all!

Congrats @stickguy. I really, really like that!

stickguy

@tjc78 said:

@stickguy said:
XM only comes on it if you add the Lariat Luxury package. No navi option at all, which is fine by me. They assume you will use your phone, which I do. Same I assume for the music. That I need to spend some time playing with. I have the XM app but never used it so I might figure that out tomorrow.

With Apple Car Play the XM app is pretty much the same as built in XM.

Happy New Year everyone!

Thanks. I didn’t realize you could go through CarPlay to get it. Just have to figure out how presets would work!

carnaught

graphicguy said:

Congrats @stickguy ……very cool!

Ditto. Nice looking truck!

rayainsw

stickguy -
"after 30 miles, I am impressed so far!"
Congratulations!
Hope you enjoy it
for at least a month!
- Ray
CCBA reference...

laurasdada

roadburner said:

@Michaell said:

Well, shoot.

Showed the wife the picture of @stickguy’s Maverick, and got a thumbs down. Too long in front, too stubby in the back.

The only pickup my wife likes is the Gladiator.

Does she also like movies about Gladiators?

oldfarmer50

Does anybody have a spare $26k I can borrow?

https://www.powernationtv.com/post/ford-now-offering-the-760-hp-mustang-gt500-v8-as-a-crate-engine?utm_source=drip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Would+You+Buy+The+760-HP+Mustang+GT500+V8+As+A+Crate+Engine?

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

Are you keeping it or flipping it?

stickguy

depends. are you making an offer? Cash talks you know!

I will decide when the hybrid comes in (I am guess Memorial day at the earliest) if I want to trade for that. Will depend on how I like it, and what the $ situation is. Of course, if something else pops up I want (like an Integra) and they make a good enough offer, can swap it for something else.

but I assume I will keep it for a while.

stickguy

oldfarmer50 said:

Does anybody have a spare $26k I can borrow?

https://www.powernationtv.com/post/ford-now-offering-the-760-hp-mustang-gt500-v8-as-a-crate-engine?utm_source=drip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Would+You+Buy+The+760-HP+Mustang+GT500+V8+As+A+Crate+Engine?

the Ford dealer had a nice silver/gray one in the showroom. MSRP only $91K. My wife said no.

stickguy

Benjamin, yes I took the 3 years at 0% financing. I put down some money so the payment is "only" $627. seems absurd but at least it isn't a lease, so at the end of the 36 months I own it outright instead of having nothing.

I look at it as just paying cash.

roadburner

@benjaminh said:
Although the acceleration times in most car magazines are somewhat bogus, they are still useful for comparison. Anyway, Car and Driver has just tested a Maverick 2.0 awd, and they got a 0-60 time of 5.9, which is not that far from a base BMW 330i at 5.6. Anyway, for the money the Maverick is a fast vehicle.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38516737/2022-ford-maverick-xlt-fx4-by-the-numbers/

stickguy: Did you end up going for the 0% financing? If so, those payments of c. 750 a month are steep, but the equity will obviously build up very quickly. Even right now you could probably sell it for several thousand more than what you bought it for.

The latest I heard on the chip shortage is that it will only slowly abate in 2022. According to one article I saw, things aren't likely to truly get back to "normal," whatever that is, probably until the second half of 2023. If true, this will likely mean that there won't be a sudden collapse of car prices. With all the lost production and pent up demand we've got, used and new vehicle prices are likely to remain high for the first half of 2022, and then only slowly start to decline after that. And so in 6 months or so when your Maverick hybrid arrives you should still be able to pocket a handy profit on your 2.0 Maverick as you make the trade.

The new BRZ/86 is getting rave reviews. I couldn’t live with one long term but if I could flip it in a year or so for an M2C without losing any money I would consider it.
Too many “ifs” however…

oldfarmer50

Michaell said:

Sandman6472 said:

Happy New Year from sunny & hot South Florida! Do us a favor, please send some cold weather down here, it's been a very warm winter so far...too warm!! Luckily, they fixed our a/c this afternoon.

Currently 14 degrees here in Colorado.

Supposed to drop into single digits mid-morning tomorrow, then warm back up to the teens.

Predicted lows tomorrow night are close to 0.

Cold enough for you? Care to move back to NY?

It’s going to be 50 for two days in NY so bring your t-shirt.

What’s the fire situation out there?

tifighter

@Michaell said:
Currently 14 degrees here in Colorado.

Supposed to drop into single digits mid-morning tomorrow, then warm back up to the teens.

Predicted lows tomorrow night are close to 0.

Cold enough for you? Care to move back to NY?

I know how that feels -

oldfarmer50

tjc78 said:

@qbrozen said:

I don’t have the room for it but someone should save this poor thing and fix all the wrong that has been thrust upon it. It isn’t too much, really.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-plymouth-barracuda-2/

The obvious stuff isn’t too scary. I’d be concerned about what you can’t see. I agree it has potential.

I’m curious, on a restored pollution choked year like that, do they remove the pollution controls and install something better? I believe I asked this before and someone told me that it depends on the state laws but I can’t imagine buying a car with 1974 pollution controls still intact. It would be a drivability nightmare.

roadburner

oldfarmer50 said:

tjc78 said:

@qbrozen said:

I don’t have the room for it but someone should save this poor thing and fix all the wrong that has been thrust upon it. It isn’t too much, really.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1974-plymouth-barracuda-2/

The obvious stuff isn’t too scary. I’d be concerned about what you can’t see. I agree it has potential.

I’m curious, on a restored pollution choked year like that, do they remove the pollution controls and install something better? I believe I asked this before and someone told me that it depends on the state laws but I can’t imagine buying a car with 1974 pollution controls still intact. It would be a drivability nightmare.

I had an "Expert" in another topic tell me that my 2002 would have run just as well if it had all the OEM pollution controls- of course he had never driven a BMW of that vintage with OR without pollution controls. I have, and you immediately removed the EGR garbage and the vacuum retard on the distributor to make the car an enjoyable drive.

Michaell

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:

Sandman6472 said:

Happy New Year from sunny & hot South Florida! Do us a favor, please send some cold weather down here, it's been a very warm winter so far...too warm!! Luckily, they fixed our a/c this afternoon.

Currently 14 degrees here in Colorado.

Supposed to drop into single digits mid-morning tomorrow, then warm back up to the teens.

Predicted lows tomorrow night are close to 0.

Cold enough for you? Care to move back to NY?

It’s going to be 50 for two days in NY so bring your t-shirt.

What’s the fire situation out there?

I think they are under control, or contained.