Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

qbrozen

3900? Good god. Even my porky G35X was 150 less than that.

28firefighter

@Michaell said:
What's wrong with 30 MPH?

My wife, who is a Colorado native and got her license while living in Wyoming and has a birthday in February and had RWD vehicles initially, has never had an accident in over 40 years of driving.

Her advice to me - California native - was this: "Only go as fast as you want to be going when you lose control". She had no problem doing 30 MPH when she felt the conditions warranted.

Just because you want to go faster doesn't mean that everyone should.

Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.

jmonroe1

@qbrozen said:
3900? Good god. Even my porky G35X was 150 less than that.

For the fun of it I Googled the weight of my ‘75 Grand Prix with the 400 cubic inch V8. It was 4167 pounds. That is kinda svelte compared to my ‘15 Genny with the 5.0L,V8 that is almost 4600 pounds.

jmonroe

Michaell

28firefighter said:

@Michaell said:

What's wrong with 30 MPH?

My wife, who is a Colorado native and got her license while living in Wyoming and has a birthday in February and had RWD vehicles initially, has never had an accident in over 40 years of driving.

Her advice to me - California native - was this: "Only go as fast as you want to be going when you lose control". She had no problem doing 30 MPH when she felt the conditions warranted.

Just because you want to go faster doesn't mean that everyone should.

Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.

I learned my winter driving the hard way.

First exposure was a trip to MN, when I was still living in CA. Flew into Fargo, ND and had decent weather the whole week - except for Friday, when I had to drive the 50+ miles back to Fargo on I-94 with snow falling and blowing across the road. Woke up the next morning to a few inches of snow on the ground - fortunately, my hotel was only a mile or two from the airport, so I managed to return the rental without incident.

When I moved to CO, however, I wrecked my Accord in the first storm that left snow on the road. No body damage, but tore up the suspension right nicely, as I went over the curb the wrong way.

A couple of near misses followed in the next few years, until I met my wife, who schooled me in the ways of winter driving.

We've had a couple of storms this past week, however - just enough so I can drift the Subaru in our neighborhood at 20 MPH. If I screw up, I'll never hear the end of it....

graphicguy

roadburner said:

Car and Driver Just tested an M240i xDrive. The thing is unnecessarily heavy; 3,900 pounds- or only 300 pounds less than my old 1974 Monte Carlo. It is legitimately fast, but I'm thinking a 2018 F83 M4 DCT would suit me much better- it's a tick faster north of 100 mph, only 4" longer, and 230 lbs. lighter. The M2 Comp posts nearly identical numbers to the M240i and is over 300 lbs. lighter. The M340i RWD is equally fast and 50 lbs. lighter.
I'd rank the alternatives-by my preference-as follows:
1. M2 Comp
2. F83 M4 Comp
3. M340i (Only with HP Tire and Cooling)

At least I will no longer worry about buying the new 2er...

Mentioned I had my eye on an M240i X. Not as hardcore as what you like, but can attest to how quick it was when I test drove it.

BTW, we got a little dusting on the other side of the river. Just enough to make the crazies out there, crazier. Took the GF to work yesterday. It was worse taking her to work, when there was less snow on the ground than when I picked her up, and there was more snow on the roads.

stickguy

We got another 3-4 inches overnight.

I hate snow.

tjc78

I’m tied up in meetings until about 3… so it’s sitting there until I can get to it. Hopefully it’s not too bad to shovel.

oldfarmer50

corvette said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I think part of my decision to retire was spurred by them putting surveillance equipment on the bus.

Growing up, all of our school buses had a camera facing the passengers. I think the reason being that they expected the driver to pay attention to the road and not to notice which student started a fight.

You must be very young or had CIA headquarters in your town. We didn’t get cameras until about 2014 and eventually had 4. My problem was that 3 of them were pointed at me. The transportation director would take the digital records home at night and ferret out every minor transgression so he could then tell you what a poor job you were doing.

kyfdx

@qbrozen

Something to think about: I've never been in a Subaru that had tires that were decent in the snow. Which is irritating. If you plan on having something fun in the snow, plan on new tires.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

As to the MB, if that previous sale can give a good indication, I figure mine should fetch $20k, easy. $13k original purchase price, shipping/tax/tags, plus the parts I already put into it (the head bolt conversion, etc), I think that puts me to about $20,700'ish out of pocket.

TRX is due first. I'll check in again with chat tomorrow and see where everything is.

I've gotten on reply on the subie. Just hit up another 4-5 dealers. I could still fall back to something less pricey.

Here is a really intriguing one. A bit on the pricey side. $12.5k would be plenty high on it.

Could always supersize it. Kinda defeats the purpose for me looking for a sporty, tossable snowbound vehicle.

Unless you hit a complete dead end with leasing the WRX, I feel like that is the way to go. You get a warranty, a new car that won't require and mechanical repairs, and will most certainly be worth more than the lease buyout in 3 years when the market returns to normal.

oldfarmer50

roadburner said:

In January 1994 we had a huge snowfall for KY- over 22" on top of 1" of ice in less than 12 hours. I had my POS 1973 Bronco but of course it wouldn't start. The snowfall arrived Sunday night and we didn't get out the drive until Friday, when the owner of an adjacent farm plowed our road. Less than 6 months later the Volvo 740 Turbo was traded for a Pathfinder SE with the Off Road package.

So the Bronco had Ford’s patented life saving feature that kept you home when it was dangerous to drive? My 74’ Dodge had something similar except it would let you get to the bottom of the hill before it would stall. That way you’d get some exercise while walking home. I think it was called the hiker’s option.

nyccarguy

This morning’s view from my Tacoma

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

3900? Good god. Even my porky G35X was 150 less than that.

Wow, my Mustang is only a little over 3600 but then it doesn’t have the extra differential.

oldfarmer50

Michaell said:

28firefighter said:

@Michaell said:

What's wrong with 30 MPH?

My wife, who is a Colorado native and got her license while living in Wyoming and has a birthday in February and had RWD vehicles initially, has never had an accident in over 40 years of driving.

Her advice to me - California native - was this: "Only go as fast as you want to be going when you lose control". She had no problem doing 30 MPH when she felt the conditions warranted.

Just because you want to go faster doesn't mean that everyone should.

Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.

I learned my winter driving the hard way.

First exposure was a trip to MN, when I was still living in CA. Flew into Fargo, ND and had decent weather the whole week - except for Friday, when I had to drive the 50+ miles back to Fargo on I-94 with snow falling and blowing across the road. Woke up the next morning to a few inches of snow on the ground - fortunately, my hotel was only a mile or two from the airport, so I managed to return the rental without incident.

When I moved to CO, however, I wrecked my Accord in the first storm that left snow on the road. No body damage, but tore up the suspension right nicely, as I went over the curb the wrong way.

A couple of near misses followed in the next few years, until I met my wife, who schooled me in the ways of winter driving.

We've had a couple of storms this past week, however - just enough so I can drift the Subaru in our neighborhood at 20 MPH. If I screw up, I'll never hear the end of it....

I learned winter driving the fun way, at a shopping mall parking lot after the first light snow. Thereafter I took the master class of bombing around in blizzards with bald snow tires.

The only special equipment needed was a few knucklehead friends who could push when you got stuck.

jmonroe1

@nyccarguy said:

This morning’s view from my Tacoma

Send that pic to @driver100 over in the Cars and Conversations forum so he can see another advantage of a backup camera.

jmonroe

ab348

nyccarguy said:

This morning’s view from my Tacoma

Bah, a mere dusting. I don't think the heavy stuff is gonna come down for quite a while.

fintail

My wagon weighs 4300, and at least a size and market position larger than a 2/3. How many tungsten parts is BMW putting in those things?

roadburner said:

Car and Driver Just tested an M240i xDrive. The thing is unnecessarily heavy; 3,900 pounds- or only 300 pounds less than my old 1974 Monte Carlo. It is legitimately fast, but I'm thinking a 2018 F83 M4 DCT would suit me much better- it's a tick faster north of 100 mph, only 4" longer, and 230 lbs. lighter. The M2 Comp posts nearly identical numbers to the M240i and is over 300 lbs. lighter. The M340i RWD is equally fast and 50 lbs. lighter.
I'd rank the alternatives-by my preference-as follows:
1. M2 Comp
2. F83 M4 Comp
3. M340i (Only with HP Tire and Cooling)

At least I will no longer worry about buying the new 2er...

breld

@qbrozen -

I really like that 330xi you posted...great color combo and seemed somewhat rare to find the sport seats back then. And the navigation/idrive.

And the 530xi is very close to the 2007 I ordered, though mine had the sport steering wheel that they added in 2007 as part of the sport package. Can't tell if that one even has the sport package (seats).

Both would be great with the 5 being more comfortable and roomy.

But I agree with @kyfdx advice on just getting a new WRX...can't imagine you'd lose any money on it as long as you buy it right, which we all know you will.

That's how I feel about the Civic Si - if I can find a dealer willing to "generously" sell for MSRP, it'll hold its value fine. But the $2,500 mark up AND $2,500 forced accessories I found is ridiculous.

fintail

I've only been stuck once, but if it's really bad I'll not go out, if possible. Cat litter solved the stuck problem, which was also on a hill in a powerful RWD car with old "all season" tires.

Winter driving locally for me 90% of the time seems to involve being behind Timidy Timidson in their otherwise capable CX5 or RX (sometimes even on snows), braking for every slight change in road direction, going maybe a little slower than really needed - resulting in a line of traffic, with Chadrick Dbagington in an overcompensating tall truck probably registered to his dad or uncle's housing-related business following so close that I can read the codes on the windshield glass. Bonus points to when either or both then dawdle at a green light because they are chatting with a passenger or texting, causing others to miss the light. A Carlin line or two comes to mind.

Maybe 10" of snow here yesterday, then freezing rain for a nice glaze, now it is 40F with a SW wind, and a slushy mess. Probably worse than compact snow and ice.

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:

28firefighter said:

@Michaell said:

What's wrong with 30 MPH?

My wife, who is a Colorado native and got her license while living in Wyoming and has a birthday in February and had RWD vehicles initially, has never had an accident in over 40 years of driving.

Her advice to me - California native - was this: "Only go as fast as you want to be going when you lose control". She had no problem doing 30 MPH when she felt the conditions warranted.

Just because you want to go faster doesn't mean that everyone should.

Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.

I learned my winter driving the hard way.

First exposure was a trip to MN, when I was still living in CA. Flew into Fargo, ND and had decent weather the whole week - except for Friday, when I had to drive the 50+ miles back to Fargo on I-94 with snow falling and blowing across the road. Woke up the next morning to a few inches of snow on the ground - fortunately, my hotel was only a mile or two from the airport, so I managed to return the rental without incident.

When I moved to CO, however, I wrecked my Accord in the first storm that left snow on the road. No body damage, but tore up the suspension right nicely, as I went over the curb the wrong way.

A couple of near misses followed in the next few years, until I met my wife, who schooled me in the ways of winter driving.

We've had a couple of storms this past week, however - just enough so I can drift the Subaru in our neighborhood at 20 MPH. If I screw up, I'll never hear the end of it....

I learned winter driving the fun way, at a shopping mall parking lot after the first light snow. Thereafter I took the master class of bombing around in blizzards with bald snow tires.

The only special equipment needed was a few knucklehead friends who could push when you got stuck.

stickguy

I think I’ve gotten too old and cranky to deal with a car that has constant needs. And at this point a 15+ YO BMW like that will qualify. Not having a workshop or tools required (never mind know how, that’s what YouTube is for!) to do all the work myself is a major drawback too.

Mostly goes for something I would actually be using and depending on. Less of an issue for a nice weekend only toy.

You can still have fun with something newer and reliable. Just takes more money (at least up front, maybe not in the long run)

au1994

@nyccarguy if that was my view out of my windshield, it would have quickly changed to my view from the couch!

Good luck and be safe!

28firefighter

au1994 said:

@nyccarguy if that was my view out of my windshield, it would have quickly changed to my view from the couch!

Good luck and be safe!

If no one is out on the road it could be a peaceful cruise?

Yeah who am I kidding, turn on the fire place, put a little something extra in my coffee, and call it a day...

tjc78

I got stuck once (well twice on the same trip) in my 09 Genesis. RWD and Dunlop tires that should have never been classified as all season. That car with those tires was absolute terror in bad weather. My 99 2WD S10 was better. I owned several other RWD cars and never had a problem.

Now that I own two AWD cars I never go anywhere!

carnaught

70-degrees today in AZ. Sorry to rub it in, guys.

au1994

fintail said:

I've only been stuck once, but if it's really bad I'll not go out, if possible. Cat litter solved the stuck problem, which was also on a hill in a powerful RWD car with old "all season" tires.

Winter driving locally for me 90% of the time seems to involve being behind Timidy Timidson in their otherwise capable CX5 or RX (sometimes even on snows), braking for every slight change in road direction, going maybe a little slower than really needed - resulting in a line of traffic, with Chadrick Dbagington in an overcompensating tall truck probably registered to his dad or uncle's housing-related business following so close that I can read the codes on the windshield glass. Bonus points to when either or both then dawdle at a green light because they are chatting with a passenger or texting, causing others to miss the light. A Carlin line or two comes to mind.

Maybe 10" of snow here yesterday, then freezing rain for a nice glaze, now it is 40F with a SW wind, and a slushy mess. Probably worse than compact snow and ice.

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:

28firefighter said:

@Michaell said:

What's wrong with 30 MPH?

My wife, who is a Colorado native and got her license while living in Wyoming and has a birthday in February and had RWD vehicles initially, has never had an accident in over 40 years of driving.

Her advice to me - California native - was this: "Only go as fast as you want to be going when you lose control". She had no problem doing 30 MPH when she felt the conditions warranted.

Just because you want to go faster doesn't mean that everyone should.

Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.

I learned my winter driving the hard way.

First exposure was a trip to MN, when I was still living in CA. Flew into Fargo, ND and had decent weather the whole week - except for Friday, when I had to drive the 50+ miles back to Fargo on I-94 with snow falling and blowing across the road. Woke up the next morning to a few inches of snow on the ground - fortunately, my hotel was only a mile or two from the airport, so I managed to return the rental without incident.

When I moved to CO, however, I wrecked my Accord in the first storm that left snow on the road. No body damage, but tore up the suspension right nicely, as I went over the curb the wrong way.

A couple of near misses followed in the next few years, until I met my wife, who schooled me in the ways of winter driving.

We've had a couple of storms this past week, however - just enough so I can drift the Subaru in our neighborhood at 20 MPH. If I screw up, I'll never hear the end of it....

I learned winter driving the fun way, at a shopping mall parking lot after the first light snow. Thereafter I took the master class of bombing around in blizzards with bald snow tires.

The only special equipment needed was a few knucklehead friends who could push when you got stuck.

The descriptions made me chuckle. There is a roofing company here and every one of their reps drives a HUGE black F250 or Ram 2500 with stadium lighting and probably 6 inches of lift and mud tires that never see more than a puddle. MPG has to be low single digits. The name of the company is plastered all over so you know its a write off…

fintail

Around here, a truck like that is a "pavement princess", probably cleaner than my cars,

The contractor I worked with on my house has a big diesel dodge 4 door with cab lights etc, but also with a canopy and often pulling a debris trailer, so it's actually being used, with might be a minority of them anywhere.

au1994 said:

fintail said:

I've only been stuck once, but if it's really bad I'll not go out, if possible. Cat litter solved the stuck problem, which was also on a hill in a powerful RWD car with old "all season" tires.

Winter driving locally for me 90% of the time seems to involve being behind Timidy Timidson in their otherwise capable CX5 or RX (sometimes even on snows), braking for every slight change in road direction, going maybe a little slower than really needed - resulting in a line of traffic, with Chadrick Dbagington in an overcompensating tall truck probably registered to his dad or uncle's housing-related business following so close that I can read the codes on the windshield glass. Bonus points to when either or both then dawdle at a green light because they are chatting with a passenger or texting, causing others to miss the light. A Carlin line or two comes to mind.

Maybe 10" of snow here yesterday, then freezing rain for a nice glaze, now it is 40F with a SW wind, and a slushy mess. Probably worse than compact snow and ice.

oldfarmer50 said:

Michaell said:

28firefighter said:

@Michaell said:

What's wrong with 30 MPH?

My wife, who is a Colorado native and got her license while living in Wyoming and has a birthday in February and had RWD vehicles initially, has never had an accident in over 40 years of driving.

Her advice to me - California native - was this: "Only go as fast as you want to be going when you lose control". She had no problem doing 30 MPH when she felt the conditions warranted.

Just because you want to go faster doesn't mean that everyone should.

Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.

I learned my winter driving the hard way.

First exposure was a trip to MN, when I was still living in CA. Flew into Fargo, ND and had decent weather the whole week - except for Friday, when I had to drive the 50+ miles back to Fargo on I-94 with snow falling and blowing across the road. Woke up the next morning to a few inches of snow on the ground - fortunately, my hotel was only a mile or two from the airport, so I managed to return the rental without incident.

When I moved to CO, however, I wrecked my Accord in the first storm that left snow on the road. No body damage, but tore up the suspension right nicely, as I went over the curb the wrong way.

A couple of near misses followed in the next few years, until I met my wife, who schooled me in the ways of winter driving.

We've had a couple of storms this past week, however - just enough so I can drift the Subaru in our neighborhood at 20 MPH. If I screw up, I'll never hear the end of it....

I learned winter driving the fun way, at a shopping mall parking lot after the first light snow. Thereafter I took the master class of bombing around in blizzards with bald snow tires.

The only special equipment needed was a few knucklehead friends who could push when you got stuck.

The descriptions made me chuckle. There is a roofing company here and every one of their reps drives a HUGE black F250 or Ram 2500 with stadium lighting and probably 6 inches of lift and mud tires that never see more than a puddle. MPG has to be low single digits. The name of the company is plastered all over so you know its a write off…

roadburner

Michaell said:

What's wrong with 30 MPH?

My wife, who is a Colorado native and got her license while living in Wyoming and has a birthday in February and had RWD vehicles initially, has never had an accident in over 40 years of driving.

Her advice to me - California native - was this: "Only go as fast as you want to be going when you lose control". She had no problem doing 30 MPH when she felt the conditions warranted.

Just because you want to go faster doesn't mean that everyone should.

Except that I had a LONG line of cars behind me and the road in front of the Cherokee was free from cars as far as the eye could see...

explorerx4

After clearing the 10 or inches of snow we got, I feel great.
The air is clear and crisp and it felt good to get the old bones moving.

roadburner

jmonroe1 said:

@roadburner said:

We had a minor snowfall today, but of course the region was paralyzed> I sent everyone home at noon and the Judicial Center closed soon after- and is also closed tomorrow. Even though the Clubman would have handled things fine, I drove the Wrangler so I would be able to drive around any accidents. While driving home I saw two cars stuck in the ditch(Civic and a PT Cruiser) . I kept the Wrangler in 2WD 99% of the time. The worst part of the drive home was following a newer Cherokee home. The driver was terrified and wouldn't drive over 30 mph- and tapped the brakes every 2ooo feet at a minimum.

I learned many moons ago that driving on snow (I don’t know anyone who knows how to drive on ice unless you have chains) for a few hours will teach you more about driving than a cross country trip. Snow teaches you how you must feel the car in the seat of your pants. One you get that feel you’re pretty much set for many, many miles of safe driving.

jmonroe

I was thrown into the deep end when I was a participant in the 2000 ALCAN Winter Rally. We had lightly studded tires on our X5 and we generally drove around 70 mph if the roads were only snow-not ice-covered.

For extra credit, how fast was my co-driver going when this picture was taken?

nyccarguy

My wife had to see a patient on this road earlier

tjc78

Pilot had zero issues with that.

breld

As I mentioned before, I'm considering swapping the XC90 for an X5 PHEV.

The dealership we recently purchased the M340i from was easy to work with so reached out to them. Apparently, the PHEV is a pretty hot item and/or there's not much supply, so it would definitely be an order to arrive in April/May. They're offering 2% off MSRP plus any BMW rebates (currently $1,000).

I'm struggling on whether to pull the trigger...trying to distinguish between what I actually like about the BMW over the Volvo, and how much of the desire is simply for something new and shiny (not that there's anything wrong with that).

But this is what my wife and I have built online...very tempting:

breld

I also may go check out a GR86 this afternoon...the dealer where I purchased the Supra has one in inventory, but in an automatic. But it'd be nice to "try it on for size."

It also seems that Toyota and Subaru dealers aren't treating the GR86/BRZ quite as precious as Honda dealers are with the Si. They actually would like to sell cars.

qbrozen

@breld said:
@qbrozen -

I really like that 330xi you posted...great color combo and seemed somewhat rare to find the sport seats back then. And the navigation/idrive.

And the 530xi is very close to the 2007 I ordered, though mine had the sport steering wheel that they added in 2007 as part of the sport package. Can't tell if that one even has the sport package (seats).

Both would be great with the 5 being more comfortable and roomy.

But I agree with @kyfdx advice on just getting a new WRX...can't imagine you'd lose any money on it as long as you buy it right, which we all know you will.

That's how I feel about the Civic Si - if I can find a dealer willing to "generously" sell for MSRP, it'll hold its value fine. But the $2,500 mark up AND $2,500 forced accessories I found is ridiculous.

No luck so far on the WRX. Even the one place who said MSRP is now ghosting me. Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned “money factor” and scared them off. I’ll keep trying. No big rush, I guess. Except to get a ‘21 before they are all gone. Not sure I’m keen on a bigger and softer ‘22.

au1994

breld said:

As I mentioned before, I'm considering swapping the XC90 for an X5 PHEV.

The dealership we recently purchased the M340i from was easy to work with so reached out to them. Apparently, the PHEV is a pretty hot item and/or there's not much supply, so it would definitely be an order to arrive in April/May. They're offering 2% off MSRP plus any BMW rebates (currently $1,000).

I'm struggling on whether to pull the trigger...trying to distinguish between what I actually like about the BMW over the Volvo, and how much of the desire is simply for something new and shiny (not that there's anything wrong with that).

But this is what my wife and I have built online...very tempting:

I’d be all over that.

sda

Most local Charlotte dealers are either doing a market adjustment mark up or hide it in overpriced accessories that are mandatory, or a combination of both. Typical add on is $2k to $4k over MSRP. Inventory is thin as well. Used car pricing is nuts.

stickguy

I hadn’t even seen any GR at Toyota dealers around here. But haven’t checked in a few weeks.

tifighter

breld said:

I also may go check out a GR86 this afternoon...the dealer where I purchased the Supra has one in inventory, but in an automatic. But it'd be nice to "try it on for size."

It also seems that Toyota and Subaru dealers aren't treating the GR86/BRZ quite as precious as Honda dealers are with the Si. They actually would like to sell cars.

There are a few GR/BRZ's listed in the NW. All but one are automatics. The one manual listing notes that the dealer sets the final price, so we know where that's going...

qbrozen

Just agreed to $48,105 for the mach-e, which is a whopping $46 more than my OTD price. Was hoping to keep up in that $50k range, but offers were so goofy and varied that I kind of gave up and don't feel much like chasing my tail. Plus, it is the same outfit I sold my Jeep to, so I know they show up with check in hand and do all paperwork via email. Something to be said for convenience. FYI, we put 960 miles on it at this point.

Oh, and I reached out to our MB salesman. He said his system is showing March/April for our Sprinter, which he considers good news since at least it has some sort of timeframe attached to it.

tifighter

Page 2674 - where the 22 title fight between Q and Breld officially started.

stickguy

qbrozen said:

Just agreed to $48,105 for the mach-e, which is a whopping $46 more than my OTD price. Was hoping to keep up in that $50k range, but offers were so goofy and varied that I kind of gave up and don't feel much like chasing my tail. Plus, it is the same outfit I sold my Jeep to, so I know they show up with check in hand and do all paperwork via email. Something to be said for convenience. FYI, we put 960 miles on it at this point.

Oh, and I reached out to our MB salesman. He said his system is showing March/April for our Sprinter, which he considers good news since at least it has some sort of timeframe attached to it.

I'm confused. You are dumping the E before anything else new arrives? So will just have left running the ML (hopefully), the Escape and the Charger? hardly seems worth it for no profit, unless you are afraid it is going to drop in value.

it is hard to keep up with this program.

Edit: I forgot about the FIAT. Perfect winter car too!

breld

qbrozen said:

Just agreed to $48,105 for the mach-e, which is a whopping $46 more than my OTD price. Was hoping to keep up in that $50k range, but offers were so goofy and varied that I kind of gave up and don't feel much like chasing my tail. Plus, it is the same outfit I sold my Jeep to, so I know they show up with check in hand and do all paperwork via email. Something to be said for convenience. FYI, we put 960 miles on it at this point.

Oh, and I reached out to our MB salesman. He said his system is showing March/April for our Sprinter, which he considers good news since at least it has some sort of timeframe attached to it.

So, basically with a little time and paperwork, you secured yourself a $7,500 tax credit? And you got an extended test drive in a Mach E.

qbrozen

breld said:

So, basically with a little time and paperwork, you secured yourself a $7,500 tax credit? And you got an extended test drive in a Mach E.

Yup.

And, yes, I don't want it to drop in value any more. I have no idea if it will, but I can't say I'm very trusting of electric cars holding up. I mean, all it needs is a Bolt-like fiasco and I'm sunk. No thanks.

au1994

This weeks sign the apocalypse is upon us…BaT just had a 1984 Bronco II with 35k miles sell for $22k.

qbrozen

Huh. This is super interesting. Priced very cheap, but clean carfax. What am I missing? Any reason why I wouldn't jump on this? I know it is a porker, but 325hp AWD with heated/cooled seats? Tough to beat the value here. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/1785d7a2-069e-43d6-820a-d9c8fa244276/

tifighter

breld said:

qbrozen said:

Just agreed to $48,105 for the mach-e, which is a whopping $46 more than my OTD price. Was hoping to keep up in that $50k range, but offers were so goofy and varied that I kind of gave up and don't feel much like chasing my tail. Plus, it is the same outfit I sold my Jeep to, so I know they show up with check in hand and do all paperwork via email. Something to be said for convenience. FYI, we put 960 miles on it at this point.

Oh, and I reached out to our MB salesman. He said his system is showing March/April for our Sprinter, which he considers good news since at least it has some sort of timeframe attached to it.

So, basically with a little time and paperwork, you secured yourself a $7,500 tax credit? And you got an extended test drive in a Mach E.

Stop posting and go see that GR86. The people need to know.

roadburner

@tifighter said:
Stop posting and go see that GR86. The people need to know.

I’m borderline tempted. I wish Brembos were available as all the reviews indicate that the brakes are marginal for track use.

qbrozen

roadburner said:

I’m borderline tempted. I wish Brembos were available as all the reviews indicate that the brakes are marginal for track use.

Say what? You always scoff at anything with 0-60 greater than 4 secs, but you are tempted by one that is greater than 6 secs?

stickguy

Can always upgrade those yourself.

stickguy

qbrozen said:

Huh. This is super interesting. Priced very cheap, but clean carfax. What am I missing? Any reason why I wouldn't jump on this? I know it is a porker, but 325hp AWD with heated/cooled seats? Tough to beat the value here. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/1785d7a2-069e-43d6-820a-d9c8fa244276/

Maybe the miles? Would suit your needs. Go for it.