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3900? Good god. Even my porky G35X was 150 less than that.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.
For the fun of it I Googled the weight of my ‘75 Grand Prix with the 400 cubic inch V8. It was 4167 pounds. That is kinda svelte compared to my ‘15 Genny with the 5.0L,V8 that is almost 4600 pounds.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Zero wrong - spent much of last week sub 30 mph. Part of “feeling it in your pants” when you drive in winter weather is knowing when you feel you and your vehicle’s limitations approaching. Once you cross that threshold, you’ve already lost control regardless of how that drive ends up.
I learned my winter driving the hard way.
First exposure was a trip to MN, when I was still living in CA. Flew into Fargo, ND and had decent weather the whole week - except for Friday, when I had to drive the 50+ miles back to Fargo on I-94 with snow falling and blowing across the road. Woke up the next morning to a few inches of snow on the ground - fortunately, my hotel was only a mile or two from the airport, so I managed to return the rental without incident.
When I moved to CO, however, I wrecked my Accord in the first storm that left snow on the road. No body damage, but tore up the suspension right nicely, as I went over the curb the wrong way.
A couple of near misses followed in the next few years, until I met my wife, who schooled me in the ways of winter driving.
We've had a couple of storms this past week, however - just enough so I can drift the Subaru in our neighborhood at 20 MPH. If I screw up, I'll never hear the end of it....
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
BTW, we got a little dusting on the other side of the river. Just enough to make the crazies out there, crazier. Took the GF to work yesterday. It was worse taking her to work, when there was less snow on the ground than when I picked her up, and there was more snow on the roads.
We got another 3-4 inches overnight.
I hate snow.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I’m tied up in meetings until about 3… so it’s sitting there until I can get to it. Hopefully it’s not too bad to shovel.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Something to think about: I've never been in a Subaru that had tires that were decent in the snow. Which is irritating. If you plan on having something fun in the snow, plan on new tires.
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2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
This morning’s view from my Tacoma
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
First exposure was a trip to MN, when I was still living in CA. Flew into Fargo, ND and had decent weather the whole week - except for Friday, when I had to drive the 50+ miles back to Fargo on I-94 with snow falling and blowing across the road. Woke up the next morning to a few inches of snow on the ground - fortunately, my hotel was only a mile or two from the airport, so I managed to return the rental without incident.
When I moved to CO, however, I wrecked my Accord in the first storm that left snow on the road. No body damage, but tore up the suspension right nicely, as I went over the curb the wrong way.
A couple of near misses followed in the next few years, until I met my wife, who schooled me in the ways of winter driving.
We've had a couple of storms this past week, however - just enough so I can drift the Subaru in our neighborhood at 20 MPH. If I screw up, I'll never hear the end of it....
I learned winter driving the fun way, at a shopping mall parking lot after the first light snow. Thereafter I took the master class of bombing around in blizzards with bald snow tires.
The only special equipment needed was a few knucklehead friends who could push when you got stuck.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Send that pic to @driver100 over in the Cars and Conversations forum so he can see another advantage of a backup camera.
jmonroe
'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
I really like that 330xi you posted...great color combo and seemed somewhat rare to find the sport seats back then. And the navigation/idrive.
And the 530xi is very close to the 2007 I ordered, though mine had the sport steering wheel that they added in 2007 as part of the sport package. Can't tell if that one even has the sport package (seats).
Both would be great with the 5 being more comfortable and roomy.
But I agree with @kyfdx advice on just getting a new WRX...can't imagine you'd lose any money on it as long as you buy it right, which we all know you will.
That's how I feel about the Civic Si - if I can find a dealer willing to "generously" sell for MSRP, it'll hold its value fine. But the $2,500 mark up AND $2,500 forced accessories I found is ridiculous.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
Winter driving locally for me 90% of the time seems to involve being behind Timidy Timidson in their otherwise capable CX5 or RX (sometimes even on snows), braking for every slight change in road direction, going maybe a little slower than really needed - resulting in a line of traffic, with Chadrick Dbagington in an overcompensating tall truck probably registered to his dad or uncle's housing-related business following so close that I can read the codes on the windshield glass. Bonus points to when either or both then dawdle at a green light because they are chatting with a passenger or texting, causing others to miss the light. A Carlin line or two comes to mind.
Maybe 10" of snow here yesterday, then freezing rain for a nice glaze, now it is 40F with a SW wind, and a slushy mess. Probably worse than compact snow and ice. I learned winter driving the fun way, at a shopping mall parking lot after the first light snow. Thereafter I took the master class of bombing around in blizzards with bald snow tires.
The only special equipment needed was a few knucklehead friends who could push when you got stuck.
Mostly goes for something I would actually be using and depending on. Less of an issue for a nice weekend only toy.
You can still have fun with something newer and reliable. Just takes more money (at least up front, maybe not in the long run)
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Good luck and be safe!
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
Yeah who am I kidding, turn on the fire place, put a little something extra in my coffee, and call it a day...
I got stuck once (well twice on the same trip) in my 09 Genesis. RWD and Dunlop tires that should have never been classified as all season. That car with those tires was absolute terror in bad weather. My 99 2WD S10 was better. I owned several other RWD cars and never had a problem.
Now that I own two AWD cars I never go anywhere!
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
70-degrees today in AZ. Sorry to rub it in, guys.
The descriptions made me chuckle. There is a roofing company here and every one of their reps drives a HUGE black F250 or Ram 2500 with stadium lighting and probably 6 inches of lift and mud tires that never see more than a puddle. MPG has to be low single digits. The name of the company is plastered all over so you know its a write off…
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
The contractor I worked with on my house has a big diesel dodge 4 door with cab lights etc, but also with a canopy and often pulling a debris trailer, so it's actually being used, with might be a minority of them anywhere.
The descriptions made me chuckle. There is a roofing company here and every one of their reps drives a HUGE black F250 or Ram 2500 with stadium lighting and probably 6 inches of lift and mud tires that never see more than a puddle. MPG has to be low single digits. The name of the company is plastered all over so you know its a write off…
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
The air is clear and crisp and it felt good to get the old bones moving.
I learned many moons ago that driving on snow (I don’t know anyone who knows how to drive on ice unless you have chains) for a few hours will teach you more about driving than a cross country trip. Snow teaches you how you must feel the car in the seat of your pants. One you get that feel you’re pretty much set for many, many miles of safe driving.
jmonroe
I was thrown into the deep end when I was a participant in the 2000 ALCAN Winter Rally. We had lightly studded tires on our X5 and we generally drove around 70 mph if the roads were only snow-not ice-covered.
For extra credit, how fast was my co-driver going when this picture was taken?
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Pilot had zero issues with that.
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
The dealership we recently purchased the M340i from was easy to work with so reached out to them. Apparently, the PHEV is a pretty hot item and/or there's not much supply, so it would definitely be an order to arrive in April/May. They're offering 2% off MSRP plus any BMW rebates (currently $1,000).
I'm struggling on whether to pull the trigger...trying to distinguish between what I actually like about the BMW over the Volvo, and how much of the desire is simply for something new and shiny (not that there's anything wrong with that).
But this is what my wife and I have built online...very tempting:
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
It also seems that Toyota and Subaru dealers aren't treating the GR86/BRZ quite as precious as Honda dealers are with the Si. They actually would like to sell cars.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
No luck so far on the WRX. Even the one place who said MSRP is now ghosting me. Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned “money factor” and scared them off. I’ll keep trying. No big rush, I guess. Except to get a ‘21 before they are all gone. Not sure I’m keen on a bigger and softer ‘22.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd
Oh, and I reached out to our MB salesman. He said his system is showing March/April for our Sprinter, which he considers good news since at least it has some sort of timeframe attached to it.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd
it is hard to keep up with this program.
Edit: I forgot about the FIAT. Perfect winter car too!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2017 911 C4S - 2025 BRZ - 2023 A6 Allroad - 2024 Genesis GV60 - 2019 Cayman
And, yes, I don't want it to drop in value any more. I have no idea if it will, but I can't say I'm very trusting of electric cars holding up. I mean, all it needs is a Bolt-like fiasco and I'm sunk. No thanks.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd
I’m borderline tempted. I wish Brembos were available as all the reviews indicate that the brakes are marginal for track use.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.