Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

explorerx4

I saw on B-J they sold a 2021 Wrangler 392 for 137k.

tjc78

@explorerx4 said:
I saw on B-J they sold a 2021 Wrangler 392 for 137k.

Say what?

stickguy

explorerx4 said:

I saw on B-J they sold a 2021 Wrangler 392 for 137k.

was it a charity sale? Those don't really count.

stickguy

that Integra might be the nicest in the country but I didn't think they were that collectible yet. Crazy. Looks like new but at 350 or so miles per year, it better.

andres3

I'd rather get the ones on Cars & Bid for about 3,200 dollars discount per reduced horse.

30 horses less for $96K less? Is my math right assuming the Integra goes for 15K.

ab348

There’s a lot of money flying around burning a hole in some people’s pockets.

qbrozen

stickguy said:

was it a charity sale? Those don't really count.

I thought the same thing, but the listing doesn't mention charity.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/2021-JEEP-WRANGLER-RUBICON-392-252911

oldfarmer50

Light at the end of the tunnel?

https://www.powernationtv.com/post/intel-to-invest-20-billion-to-alleviate-microchip-shortage-for-auto-industry?utm_source=drip&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Intel+to+Invest+$20+Billion+to+Alleviate+Microchip+Shortage+for+Auto+Industry

explorerx4

Jeep was not a charity auction item. I didn't add the buyer's premium.

stickguy

I saw a piece about Ford getting more chips from Global, so up in Malta. And TI is opening some capacity in Texas specifically to supply auto makers and other industry with chips (so I guess the ones that are easier to make (not the super high tech ones for fancy computers and such).

fintail

Proof that there's too much idle money floating around, and that we are in a new Belle Epoque

explorerx4

@fintail,
That's part of the new marketing strategy because it's not special unless you have to wait a couple of years for it.

stickguy

that's even worse than a hybrid Maverick!

kyfdx

I saw a mid-90s Eclipse, the other day. Like new condition. It's been forever.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

Proof that there's too much idle money floating around, and that we are in a new Belle Epoque

That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.

graphicguy

kyfdx said:

Ours is next week.
The current list on the website isn't promising.

https://cincinnatiautoexpo.com/visitors/auto-expo-vehicles/

Well…that’s just a smattering of manufacturers showing up. On top of that, FIAT is displaying, and they’re barely making a whisper in the market around here.

I’ll go anyway.

cdnpinhead

That asymmetric Nissan cube takes the ugly cake as far as I'm concerned, worst since the Aztek.

That hamster-mobile Kia is certainly popular, at least around here. I see many of them every day when I'm out and about.

graphicguy

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

Proof that there's too much idle money floating around, and that we are in a new Belle Epoque

That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.

Never understood the appeal of those. Forget the price. THey’re ugly. They cost way too much. And, they’re a PITA to maintain. What’s the allure?

jmonroe1

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

Proof that there's too much idle money floating around, and that we are in a new Belle Epoque

That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.

Never understood the appeal of those. Forget the price. THey’re ugly. They cost way too much. And, they’re a PITA to maintain. What’s the allure?

@oldfarmer50 just told us.

jmonroe

ab348

Given current-day prices and wait times, this seems like a steal. And you would always be able to find it in a parking lot.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/reo/speedwagon/2554992.html

mjfloyd1

@ab348 said:
Given current-day prices and wait times, this seems like a steal. And you would always be able to find it in a parking lot.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/reo/speedwagon/2554992.html

I heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend who heard it from another that you been messin’ around.

nyccarguy

Some pics my son took from my snowy, Saturday commute for your viewing pleasure:

stickguy

kept the traffic down at least!

fintail

It's all about being brash and showing off, especially with the pointless AMG version which in this market I suspect outsells the base at least 3:1 (my build would be a base). My Belle Epoque line wasn't just in jest, we really are in one, look back at the extravagance of that era and look at what the overmonied are doing today. Maybe it won't end the same way.

IMO the awkward and twice as expensive Cullinan is a real "woof" kind of vehicle (while the Bentayga is just a bland invisible form).

graphicguy said:

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

Proof that there's too much idle money floating around, and that we are in a new Belle Epoque

That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.

Never understood the appeal of those. Forget the price. THey’re ugly. They cost way too much. And, they’re a PITA to maintain. What’s the allure?

explorerx4

I'm riding the storm out.

fintail

I don't mind your Kia. Those are "cheap and cheerful" to me, not pretentious, affordable and practical.

Regarding the ordering debacle, sounds like a way to breed a little more exclusivity, not that I am into conspiracy theories.

oldfarmer50 said:

fintail said:

Proof that there's too much idle money floating around, and that we are in a new Belle Epoque

That G wagon must sell on pure snob appeal because it’s the only vehicle out there that’s uglier than my Kia.

qbrozen

@nyccarguy said:
Some pics my son took from my snowy, Saturday commute for your viewing pleasure:

Cool. A manufacturer who knows their product and that someone will have to be pushing the vehicle at some point, so they gave it a setting for it.

breld

As others have pointed out, it does feel like the M2 market is normalizing a bit.

The 2017 is a tad steep in miles, but getting into the $40k’s is a good start.

And the Comp is downright tempting.

2017 M2

M2 Comp

jmonroe1

@nyccarguy said:
Some pics my son took from my snowy, Saturday commute for your viewing pleasure:

You can’t fix it by looking at it. Shoulda been lookin first.

jmonroe

Michaell

breld said:

Still a little high and a bit steep on miles, but does feel like the M2 market is normalizing a bit…

2017 M2

You could get one of the Wichita YouTube mafia to check it out for you....

28firefighter

Isn’t that comp the one with the dirty Carfax?

breld

28firefighter said:

Isn’t that comp the one with the dirty Carfax?

Oh right - forgot that had already been a topic of discussion.

breld

If I wasn’t so set on a manual, this would actually be tempting.

2016 M235i vert

stickguy

the Wichita one has a clean carfax. Just happens to be the same white over black that they all seem to be. Talk about a boring design for a cool car.

stickguy

breld said:

If I wasn’t so set on a manual, this would actually be tempting.

2016 M235i vert

I could live with that. I like the red interior. Though would prefer it to be an S drive. No need for AWD on a nice weather only car.

28firefighter

This I like. https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/seattle-subaru-outback-ltd-awd/7439269598.html

Reached out on it.

mjfloyd1

@explorerx4 said:
I'm riding the storm out.

Nah, you should roll with the changes or take it on the run

kyfdx

Something surprising about the 2022 2-series.

230i is only available as RWD
240i is only available as AWD

And, only coupe, no convertible.

Michaell

Met up with @breld this afternoon for some lot browsing.

I wanted to take a closer look at this.

After a bit of a wait, I was able to obtain the keys and take it for a test drive.

Man, oh man, does this thing move. Had it up to 80 on a 4-lane arterial road, and the power just doesn't seem to stop (yes, I know I'm overly excited by this, but I don't think I've driven something with that much HP in my life).

However, we did notice a couple of nits to pick with it - mainly, the lack of any sort of blind spot monitoring or active cruise control. @breld tells me that BMW equips their vehicles oddly - this one had a heads up display and real leather interior.

We talked during the test drive, and I may want to test drive a regular (30i) X3. Not that I wouldn't mind the extra 100+ HP, but the "base" engine should still feel pretty sporty compared to the Outback.

Then, we discovered that one of the dealers that @breld used to frequent had moved into my neck of the woods, so we stopped by for a quick look. Found this parked on the forecourt, which had Mr. @breld quite excited.

I'll let him pick up the story from this point.

28firefighter

That’s almost MSRP on that Veloster N.

stickguy

no AWD 230? Surprising. But works for me!

stickguy

Michaell said:

Met up with @breld this afternoon for some lot browsing.

I wanted to take a closer look at this.

After a bit of a wait, I was able to obtain the keys and take it for a test drive.

Man, oh man, does this thing move. Had it up to 80 on a 4-lane arterial road, and the power just doesn't seem to stop (yes, I know I'm overly excited by this, but I don't think I've driven something with that much HP in my life).

However, we did notice a couple of nits to pick with it - mainly, the lack of any sort of blind spot monitoring or active cruise control. @breld tells me that BMW equips their vehicles oddly - this one had a heads up display and real leather interior.

We talked during the test drive, and I may want to test drive a regular (30i) X3. Not that I wouldn't mind the extra 100+ HP, but the "base" engine should still feel pretty sporty compared to the Outback.

Then, we discovered that one of the dealers that @breld used to frequent had moved into my neck of the woods, so we stopped by for a quick look. Found this parked on the forecourt, which had Mr. @breld quite excited.

I'll let him pick up the story from this point.

that X3 is lovely. But really needs some blind spot and cross path help since the rear visibility stinks.

My son test drove one before he got his Audi. He actually thought it had too much power and was almost scary. I'm guessing it was the dynamics of a "truck" giving the feeling, because at the time he had a G70 3.3t, and ended up with an S4, so he was used to having an excessive amount of HP! We test drove a X3 30i before getting the RDX and found it more than quick enough, and nicely balanced.

lots of miles on that Hyundai. They don't really do anything for me either. And at this point, I would feel silly driving a kids car! At least the Si now can pass for a mature vehicle, even though you can still drive like a hooligan.

that is also $2,000 over original sticker. If it were me, I would get a new Si for the same price. But as always, everybody should spend their money on what they want!

qbrozen

stickguy said:

lots of miles on that Hyundai. They don't really do anything for me either. And at this point, I would feel silly driving a kids car! At least the Si now can pass for a mature vehicle, even though you can still drive like a hooligan.

that is also $2,000 over original sticker. If it were me, I would get a new Si for the same price. But as always, everybody should spend their money on what they want!

Not really a comparison. The Veloster N is more comparable to a Civic R than the Si.

henryn

explorerx4 said:

I'm riding the storm out.

Storm? What storm?

Yeah, yeah, I know, the next time we get a hurricane you can laugh at me.

explorerx4

@henryn,
mjfloyd1 started the vehicle/band/song link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6_Sm4b5HX8

28firefighter

I have an irrationally strong want for this.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/snohomish-1994-acura-legend-gs/7439385814.html

Michaell

28firefighter said:

I have an irrationally strong want for this.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/snohomish-1994-acura-legend-gs/7439385814.html

I get it. Nice car, then and now.

28firefighter

Seems too cheap…

mjfloyd1

@28firefighter said:
I have an irrationally strong want for this.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/snohomish-1994-acura-legend-gs/7439385814.html

The heart wants what the heart wants

Michaell

While waiting for help at CarMax, we had a chance to cruise the lost. Two almost identical Macan base models, one for $42K, the other for $48K.

And, a couple of full-size Bronco 4-doors. First Edition trim. One was priced at $91K, the other at $93K.