Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

stickguy

can you just but a Hertz rental instead of giving it back?

corvette

stickguy said:

can you just but a Hertz rental instead of giving it back?

Stay tuned to @breld's channel to find out!

fintail

nyccarguy said:

Just got back from a hockey tournament in Marlborough, MA. The haunted shoot out. My son’s team made it to the semi final round, but lost. The ice was frozen, the officials were terrible, & parents on the opposing teams were well behaved for the most part.

Saw a White Jeep that @roadburner should use as his muse and inspiration as well as a Jeep that should be offered like this from the factory.

Contrasting to last week’s traffic free trip to VT. Friday’s drive up was brutal. Took me over 4 hours to drive 150 miles!

I'd be embarrassed to have angry eyes on my Jeep.

qbrozen

possible punch pending. Awaiting confirmation of seller acceptance. Again, dealer stupidity. I went nearly $1k over MMR and yet the dealer wanted even more than that. I don't know how much more, just that the auction needs to make a phone call.

A couple of cars before that, MMR was 5500 and after it got bid to 4200, they announced "they want 10." hahahahahah! good luck! Trying to recall what it was; I think a decade old Sonata.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

possible punch pending. Awaiting confirmation of seller acceptance. Again, dealer stupidity. I went nearly $1k over MMR and yet the dealer wanted even more than that. I don't know how much more, just that the auction needs to make a phone call.

A couple of cars before that, MMR was 5500 and after it got bid to 4200, they announced "they want 10." hahahahahah! good luck! Trying to recall what it was; I think a decade old Sonata.

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If cars are routinely selling above MMR, that tells me Manheim has to sharpen their pencil.

jmonroe

qbrozen

Definitely not routine. Majority are no sale.

Don't think I'm getting my car. Seller turned down my bid, but no word on what they want.

The dets: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2L Limited with 107k miles from North Carolina. Yeah, a bit odd, but I've always had a soft spot for them, and this looks super clean. Seats were hovered in. One owner. My bid was $3100 (MMR was 2150). That would put me at just under $4k all in after fees and transport. I was willing to go $3500'ish, but nobody bid against me beyond that.

Michaell

Looks like the GC my MIL and her husband had. I think my sister-in-law is now driving it.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

Definitely not routine. Majority are no sale.

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Have you ever kept an eye on a few of the ones that didn’t initially sell? And if you did, how did the sale price compare to MMR?

jmonroe

au1994

Interior does look great and the 318 is pretty solid. Good luck! At your number with some spit and polish, I could see a profit.

qbrozen

au1994 said:

Interior does look great and the 318 is pretty solid. Good luck! At your number with some spit and polish, I could see a profit.

idea was to keep it for myself... but we know how that goes.

qbrozen

jmonroe1 said:

qbrozen said:

Definitely not routine. Majority are no sale.

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Have you ever kept an eye on a few of the ones that didn’t initially sell? And if you did, how did the sale price compare to MMR?

jmonroe

if they are close, they tag it as an "if sale" and then see what they can do. Mine was tagged as such. So far, zero follow-up. I may have to call, but I'm phone-phobic, so that may not happen.

"No sale" is when they are too far apart and will try again at a later date (unless seller takes it back, I guess).

Just rough guesstimate based on what I've watched up to this point, I'd say 40-50% "if sale" 25-35% "no sale" and the remaining are actually sold on the spot.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

Definitely not routine. Majority are no sale.

Don't think I'm getting my car. Seller turned down my bid, but no word on what they want.

The dets: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2L Limited with 107k miles from North Carolina. Yeah, a bit odd, but I've always had a soft spot for them, and this looks super clean. Seats were hovered in. One owner. My bid was $3100 (MMR was 2150). That would put me at just under $4k all in after fees and transport. I was willing to go $3500'ish, but nobody bid against me beyond that.

I liked those square Grand Cherokees. That would sell for at least $8k+ in the rust belt.

If you believe the various YT experts there are fewer bids that meet the seller’s price these days. Many go on phone calls but the seller refuses to budge and the cars keep going round and round at the auction.

corvette

tl;dr: cue Hoovie voice WELCOME to corvette’s garage, the DUMBEST automotive decisions in ALL of Edmunds. And THIS is the CHEAPEST Chevrolet Volt in the greater Louisville area.
…
Long version: Since I’m getting over a recent breakup, I decided to engage in some casual car browsing.

I’ve been curious about going the EV route and thought the all-electric Bolt might be an inexpensive option, since I suspect they are maligned in the used market due to the whole flaming battery debacle, and they qualify for the $4k used EV tax credit. Most seemed to be in the $20k range, which didn’t interest me that much.

Somehow, I also ended up browsing for Volt plug-in hybrids as well and found one with higher mileage that was very attractively priced, even considering the miles. I visited the small dealership on Saturday to take a look, but they had already sent it back to their wholesaler—given the price they had on it, I can only assume they had no additional room for concessions and kicked it to the curb after it had been on their lot for a few weeks. The salesman called the wholesaler and they agreed to bring the car back Monday morning.

I visited again Monday afternoon. Car checks out… typical used car things like a TPMS light on, auto up window that needs to be reindexed, and needs a paint correction for swirl marks in the black paint. One very obvious scratch on a door handle, which I think I can touch up. No smells or odors, and the driving experience is a revelation compared to the Prius. Much more solid and substantial feeling compared to the Prius’ squishy suspension and handling. It's far more responsive in every aspect, especially acceleration.

After some back and forth regarding financing, I ultimately elected to pay with a HELOC check and then pay off the HELOC from my money market fund a few days later. They were not familiar with the clean vehicle tax credit paperwork, so I printed the copy they have to submit to the IRS so we can fill it out together. Who knows whether the document will ever be properly submitted on their side. As with any tax credit, I'll believe it when I see it.

Given that I wasn’t driving the Prius much, this probably doesn’t make any sense, but I think it will be nice to be able to run errands around town using only EV power (sticking it to the man!), plus I’m getting a newer and far more solid vehicle that is more enjoyable to drive, although I will always have fond memories of overtaxing the Prius on the Tail of the Dragon and the Cherohala Skyway.

The Achilles' heel of this version of the Volt seems to be the onboard AC charger, which is limited to 3.6kW at 240 volts (newer model years did offer a faster charger), so it seems to take a minimum of 4.5 hours to recharge a completely depleted battery. In addition, 120v charging is capped at 12 amps, and defaults to 8, so 12+ hours for a full recharge at 120v. The net effect here is that it's not going to be economical to use most public L2 chargers which charge by the hour, because you won't be obtaining their maximum output--most of them are 6.48kW. The free ones and ones that bill by the kWh should be fine. As a consequence, compared to newer PHEVs, you can't deplete the battery, plug in, take an extended lunch and a stroll around the neighborhood, and return to a fully charged vehicle.

xwesx

qbrozen said:

if they are close, they tag it as an "if sale" and then see what they can do. Mine was tagged as such. So far, zero follow-up. I may have to call, but I'm phone-phobic, so that may not happen.

"No sale" is when they are too far apart and will try again at a later date (unless seller takes it back, I guess).

Just rough guesstimate based on what I've watched up to this point, I'd say 40-50% "if sale" 25-35% "no sale" and the remaining are actually sold on the spot.

Oy! That sounds so frustrating.

xwesx

Looks like a great upgrade, Corvette! I have a co-worker who has a 2017 Volt (since new, and he also upgraded from a similar-year Prius to yours), and he loves it! It functions very well in our subarctic climate.

I'm sorry for you about your breakup.

stickguy

Never drive one buy have read. Lot of people really liking them. WafchJRGO has one that he loves.

Michaell

stickguy said:

Never drive one buy have read. Lot of people really liking them. WafchJRGO has one that he loves.

I was thinking the same thing about JRGo. His is the Premier trim, which he upgraded to include some sort of Smart Cruise technology.

@corvette, are you keeping the Prius or no?

corvette

Michaell said:

@corvette, are you keeping the Prius or no?

Traded it. It had some issues, but would make great, reliable transportation for someone. And it has new tires... At least the ones on the Volt only have about 10,000 miles on them.

jmonroe1

qbrozen said:

jmonroe1 said:

qbrozen said:

Definitely not routine. Majority are no sale.

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Have you ever kept an eye on a few of the ones that didn’t initially sell? And if you did, how did the sale price compare to MMR?

jmonroe

if they are close, they tag it as an "if sale" and then see what they can do. Mine was tagged as such. So far, zero follow-up. I may have to call, but I'm phone-phobic, so that may not happen.

"No sale" is when they are too far apart and will try again at a later date (unless seller takes it back, I guess).

Just rough guesstimate based on what I've watched up to this point, I'd say 40-50% "if sale" 25-35% "no sale" and the remaining are actually sold on the spot.

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Thanks for the info. I didn’t realize there was a merry-go-round effect with cars bought at auction today. So that tells me things aren’t quite back to normal. I guess it works for dealers otherwise they wouldn’t put themselves on that treadmill.

jmonroe

Michaell

corvette said:

Michaell said:

@corvette, are you keeping the Prius or no?

Traded it. It had some issues, but would make great, reliable transportation for someone. And it has new tires... At least the ones on the Volt only have about 10,000 miles on them.

Good deal. Enjoy the Volt!

jmonroe1

@corvette, congrats on the purchase. Let us know how you like it after a few weeks.

Not good to hear about the breakup.

Don’t forget to record the punch for this years tally here at CCBA.

jmonroe

corvette

I also did not realize, but the previous owner left two portable EVSEs in the trunk. One is the OEM Volt one, and I have it charging the car right now. The other is an aftermarket one with (I think) a NEMA 14-50 plug, which is nice, although I can't think of where I might find one of those receptacles other than an RV park.

laurasdada

Welcome to the PHEV world, corvette. Time heals all relationship wounds, both human and automotive.

xwesx

@corvette I don't think you mentioned what year or how many miles on that Volt!

corvette

Thanks, guys! It’s a 2018 with 102,000 miles.

stickguy

lot of miles for an 18. no wonder it was cheap.

venture

The 1,500 mile report with the Legacy. Feel free to scroll by – it sort of bored me just typing it.

After having the BMW a short time, I knew it wasn’t going to make it through the long haul.

It was fast and handled well. It was pretty. I received more favorable comments from people over the 7 months I owned it than any other car I have owned for quite a while; even my former BMW. It looked somewhat menacing. When cruising on the highway, people in front of you moved over.

It didn’t have adaptive cruise control. Odd for that price point. It didn’t have fog lights because BMW engineers found a way to not need them (or maybe it was the bean counters).

When I opened a door, the radio started playing. I mean even if you just wanted to get your sunglasses. Then, if you didn’t lock it, the radio just kept playing. I don’t know for how long, but an oddity.

Many oddities that could have probably been fixed if I felt like taking the time to dwell on all the menus with iDrive and that little curious button on the end of the turn signal stock, but I didn’t.

I only kept it as long as I did because I couldn’t find anything else I liked until I realized the Subaru Legacy Sport didn’t just have the word “Sport” on the back and a higher price tag because of it.

The Legacy Sport is actually an XT without all the stuff I didn’t want. No ventilated seats which felt like sitting in a puddle of cold water, no navigation since WAZE is as good or better with Android Auto. And things I certainly can do without like power folding side mirrors, rear heated seats, 2 person seat settings since my wife never drives my car. The 180° front camera was nice, but I can do without that. I would have paid for it, but it is not available

The 260 HP, 2.4 liter turbo engine is quick. I was on the same on ramp I checked the BMW on last week and stepped on it. I reached 90 mph when I had to merge. The BMW got to 105. I can live with that. Certainly not slow. 0- 60 is 6.1 seconds. It’s a VCT, but Subaru did an amazing job giving it a shift point feel – 8 of them.

I’m not an audio nut, but the 12 speaker, 576 watt HK system is good. The LED steering responsive headlights are cool.

Not unhappy. No remorse.

roadburner

corvette said:

tl;dr: cue Hoovie voice WELCOME to corvette’s garage, the DUMBEST automotive decisions in ALL of Edmunds. And THIS is the CHEAPEST Chevrolet Volt in the greater Louisville area.

…

Long version: Since I’m getting over a recent breakup, I decided to engage in some casual car browsing.

I’ve been curious about going the EV route and thought the all-electric Bolt might be an inexpensive option, since I suspect they are maligned in the used market due to the whole flaming battery debacle, and they qualify for the $4k used EV tax credit. Most seemed to be in the $20k range, which didn’t interest me that much.

Somehow, I also ended up browsing for Volt plug-in hybrids as well and found one with higher mileage that was very attractively priced, even considering the miles. I visited the small dealership on Saturday to take a look, but they had already sent it back to their wholesaler—given the price they had on it, I can only assume they had no additional room for concessions and kicked it to the curb after it had been on their lot for a few weeks. The salesman called the wholesaler and they agreed to bring the car back Monday morning.

I visited again Monday afternoon. Car checks out… typical used car things like a TPMS light on, auto up window that needs to be reindexed, and needs a paint correction for swirl marks in the black paint. One very obvious scratch on a door handle, which I think I can touch up. No smells or odors, and the driving experience is a revelation compared to the Prius. Much more solid and substantial feeling compared to the Prius’ squishy suspension and handling. It's far more responsive in every aspect, especially acceleration.

After some back and forth regarding financing, I ultimately elected to pay with a HELOC check and then pay off the HELOC from my money market fund a few days later. They were not familiar with the clean vehicle tax credit paperwork, so I printed the copy they have to submit to the IRS so we can fill it out together. Who knows whether the document will ever be properly submitted on their side. As with any tax credit, I'll believe it when I see it.

Given that I wasn’t driving the Prius much, this probably doesn’t make any sense, but I think it will be nice to be able to run errands around town using only EV power (sticking it to the man!), plus I’m getting a newer and far more solid vehicle that is more enjoyable to drive, although I will always have fond memories of overtaxing the Prius on the Tail of the Dragon and the Cherohala Skyway.

The Achilles' heel of this version of the Volt seems to be the onboard AC charger, which is limited to 3.6kW at 240 volts (newer model years did offer a faster charger), so it seems to take a minimum of 4.5 hours to recharge a completely depleted battery. In addition, 120v charging is capped at 12 amps, and defaults to 8, so 12+ hours for a full recharge at 120v. The net effect here is that it's not going to be economical to use most public L2 chargers which charge by the hour, because you won't be obtaining their maximum output--most of them are 6.48kW. The free ones and ones that bill by the kWh should be fine. As a consequence, compared to newer PHEVs, you can't deplete the battery, plug in, take an extended lunch and a stroll around the neighborhood, and return to a fully charged vehicle.

Nice!

nyccarguy

@venture said:
The 1,500 mile report with the Legacy. Feel free to scroll by – it sort of bored me just typing it.

After having the BMW a short time, I knew it wasn’t going to make it through the long haul.

It was fast and handled well. It was pretty. I received more favorable comments from people over the 7 months I owned it than any other car I have owned for quite a while; even my former BMW. It looked somewhat menacing. When cruising on the highway, people in front of you moved over.

It didn’t have adaptive cruise control. Odd for that price point. It didn’t have fog lights because BMW engineers found a way to not need them (or maybe it was the bean counters).

When I opened a door, the radio started playing. I mean even if you just wanted to get your sunglasses. Then, if you didn’t lock it, the radio just kept playing. I don’t know for how long, but an oddity.

Many oddities that could have probably been fixed if I felt like taking the time to dwell on all the menus with iDrive and that little curious button on the end of the turn signal stock, but I didn’t.

I only kept it as long as I did because I couldn’t find anything else I liked until I realized the Subaru Legacy Sport didn’t just have the word “Sport” on the back and a higher price tag because of it.

The Legacy Sport is actually an XT without all the stuff I didn’t want. No ventilated seats which felt like sitting in a puddle of cold water, no navigation since WAZE is as good or better with Android Auto. And things I certainly can do without like power folding side mirrors, rear heated seats, 2 person seat settings since my wife never drives my car. The 180° front camera was nice, but I can do without that. I would have paid for it, but it is not available

The 260 HP, 2.4 liter turbo engine is quick. I was on the same on ramp I checked the BMW on last week and stepped on it. I reached 90 mph when I had to merge. The BMW got to 105. I can live with that. Certainly not slow. 0- 60 is 6.1 seconds. It’s a VCT, but Subaru did an amazing job giving it a shift point feel – 8 of them.

I’m not an audio nut, but the 12 speaker, 576 watt HK system is good. The LED steering responsive headlights are cool.

Not unhappy. No remorse.

I’m glad you are happy with your Legacy Sport! Sounds like you are enjoying it!

Michaell

nyccarguy said:

@venture said:

The 1,500 mile report with the Legacy. Feel free to scroll by – it sort of bored me just typing it.

After having the BMW a short time, I knew it wasn’t going to make it through the long haul.

It was fast and handled well. It was pretty. I received more favorable comments from people over the 7 months I owned it than any other car I have owned for quite a while; even my former BMW. It looked somewhat menacing. When cruising on the highway, people in front of you moved over.

It didn’t have adaptive cruise control. Odd for that price point. It didn’t have fog lights because BMW engineers found a way to not need them (or maybe it was the bean counters).

When I opened a door, the radio started playing. I mean even if you just wanted to get your sunglasses. Then, if you didn’t lock it, the radio just kept playing. I don’t know for how long, but an oddity.

Many oddities that could have probably been fixed if I felt like taking the time to dwell on all the menus with iDrive and that little curious button on the end of the turn signal stock, but I didn’t.

I only kept it as long as I did because I couldn’t find anything else I liked until I realized the Subaru Legacy Sport didn’t just have the word “Sport” on the back and a higher price tag because of it.

The Legacy Sport is actually an XT without all the stuff I didn’t want. No ventilated seats which felt like sitting in a puddle of cold water, no navigation since WAZE is as good or better with Android Auto. And things I certainly can do without like power folding side mirrors, rear heated seats, 2 person seat settings since my wife never drives my car. The 180° front camera was nice, but I can do without that. I would have paid for it, but it is not available

The 260 HP, 2.4 liter turbo engine is quick. I was on the same on ramp I checked the BMW on last week and stepped on it. I reached 90 mph when I had to merge. The BMW got to 105. I can live with that. Certainly not slow. 0- 60 is 6.1 seconds. It’s a VCT, but Subaru did an amazing job giving it a shift point feel – 8 of them.

I’m not an audio nut, but the 12 speaker, 576 watt HK system is good. The LED steering responsive headlights are cool.

Not unhappy. No remorse.

I’m glad you are happy with your Legacy Sport! Sounds like you are enjoying it!

He probably likes the money in his bank account more, earning 5%...

stickguy

that Sube does sound like a nice package.

28firefighter

Congrats, @corvette, on the new ride. Sorry to hear about your breakup, though.

venture

Michaell said:

nyccarguy said:

@venture said:

The 1,500 mile report with the Legacy. Feel free to scroll by – it sort of bored me just typing it.

After having the BMW a short time, I knew it wasn’t going to make it through the long haul.

It was fast and handled well. It was pretty. I received more favorable comments from people over the 7 months I owned it than any other car I have owned for quite a while; even my former BMW. It looked somewhat menacing. When cruising on the highway, people in front of you moved over.

It didn’t have adaptive cruise control. Odd for that price point. It didn’t have fog lights because BMW engineers found a way to not need them (or maybe it was the bean counters).

When I opened a door, the radio started playing. I mean even if you just wanted to get your sunglasses. Then, if you didn’t lock it, the radio just kept playing. I don’t know for how long, but an oddity.

Many oddities that could have probably been fixed if I felt like taking the time to dwell on all the menus with iDrive and that little curious button on the end of the turn signal stock, but I didn’t.

I only kept it as long as I did because I couldn’t find anything else I liked until I realized the Subaru Legacy Sport didn’t just have the word “Sport” on the back and a higher price tag because of it.

The Legacy Sport is actually an XT without all the stuff I didn’t want. No ventilated seats which felt like sitting in a puddle of cold water, no navigation since WAZE is as good or better with Android Auto. And things I certainly can do without like power folding side mirrors, rear heated seats, 2 person seat settings since my wife never drives my car. The 180° front camera was nice, but I can do without that. I would have paid for it, but it is not available

The 260 HP, 2.4 liter turbo engine is quick. I was on the same on ramp I checked the BMW on last week and stepped on it. I reached 90 mph when I had to merge. The BMW got to 105. I can live with that. Certainly not slow. 0- 60 is 6.1 seconds. It’s a VCT, but Subaru did an amazing job giving it a shift point feel – 8 of them.

I’m not an audio nut, but the 12 speaker, 576 watt HK system is good. The LED steering responsive headlights are cool.

Not unhappy. No remorse.

I’m glad you are happy with your Legacy Sport! Sounds like you are enjoying it!

He probably likes the money in his bank account more, earning 5%...

I should warn you guys. I'm going to move a chunk of money into either Vanguard investments or savings. Haven't decided yet.

When I do that things seem to go south. Almost every time.

venture

tl;dr: cue Hoovie voice WELCOME to corvette’s garage, the DUMBEST automotive decisions in ALL of Edmunds. And THIS is the CHEAPEST Chevrolet Volt in the greater Louisville area.

…

Long version: Since I’m getting over a recent breakup, I decided to engage in some casual car browsing.

I’ve been curious about going the EV route and thought the all-electric Bolt might be an inexpensive option, since I suspect they are maligned in the used market due to the whole flaming battery debacle, and they qualify for the $4k used EV tax credit. Most seemed to be in the $20k range, which didn’t interest me that much.

Somehow, I also ended up browsing for Volt plug-in hybrids as well and found one with higher mileage that was very attractively priced, even considering the miles. I visited the small dealership on Saturday to take a look, but they had already sent it back to their wholesaler—given the price they had on it, I can only assume they had no additional room for concessions and kicked it to the curb after it had been on their lot for a few weeks. The salesman called the wholesaler and they agreed to bring the car back Monday morning.

I visited again Monday afternoon. Car checks out… typical used car things like a TPMS light on, auto up window that needs to be reindexed, and needs a paint correction for swirl marks in the black paint. One very obvious scratch on a door handle, which I think I can touch up. No smells or odors, and the driving experience is a revelation compared to the Prius. Much more solid and substantial feeling compared to the Prius’ squishy suspension and handling. It's far more responsive in every aspect, especially acceleration.

After some back and forth regarding financing, I ultimately elected to pay with a HELOC check and then pay off the HELOC from my money market fund a few days later. They were not familiar with the clean vehicle tax credit paperwork, so I printed the copy they have to submit to the IRS so we can fill it out together. Who knows whether the document will ever be properly submitted on their side. As with any tax credit, I'll believe it when I see it.

Given that I wasn’t driving the Prius much, this probably doesn’t make any sense, but I think it will be nice to be able to run errands around town using only EV power (sticking it to the man!), plus I’m getting a newer and far more solid vehicle that is more enjoyable to drive, although I will always have fond memories of overtaxing the Prius on the Tail of the Dragon and the Cherohala Skyway.

The Achilles' heel of this version of the Volt seems to be the onboard AC charger, which is limited to 3.6kW at 240 volts (newer model years did offer a faster charger), so it seems to take a minimum of 4.5 hours to recharge a completely depleted battery. In addition, 120v charging is capped at 12 amps, and defaults to 8, so 12+ hours for a full recharge at 120v. The net effect here is that it's not going to be economical to use most public L2 chargers which charge by the hour, because you won't be obtaining their maximum output--most of them are 6.48kW. The free ones and ones that bill by the kWh should be fine. As a consequence, compared to newer PHEVs, you can't deplete the battery, plug in, take an extended lunch and a stroll around the neighborhood, and return to a fully charged vehicle.

* * * * *

I saw a black Volt yesterday. I don't remember ever seeing one before. Nice looking car.

nyccarguy

@venture

Are there any suspension upgrades to the Sport or is it just the turbo motor and some cosmetics? When I had my 2015 Legacy, I had a thicker anti roll bar installed in the rear that seemed to liven things up in the handling department. It was straight off of an Outback.

breld

@corvette - congrats on the Volt. Should be a fun, affordable experience. And, of course, sorry about the break up.

nyccarguy

@breld

Regarding this Mustang you are going to buy, are you planning on ordering it or taking delivery from local dealer stock?

qbrozen

have (had) 3 on my watchlist today. The first has already crossed the block. 2011 Ram quad cab with 100k. Here's the thing... it was announced structural damage. I'm still figuring this out, but it is a very common announcement and usually has no relation to the title or accident history. It seems they'll state that for as little as some surface rust on a crossmember. But it is rarely obvious so it can be risky. Anyway, MMR was $10.2k WITHOUT structure announcement. I figured maybe it would be in the 7s, realistically. Nope. Went in the 10s anyway.

I've got 2 more coming up shortly that could be interesting. A 2006 Titan and a 2005 JGC. Titan is a 5.6 quad cab 4x4. JGC is with the 4.7 v8. Each has less than 90k miles. Titan is coming up first. Hood and roof are oxidized. Both are somewhat poor condition but nothing crazy. JGC is worse of the two, but would be considerably cheaper. Trying to decide how high I'd go on the Titan.

sda

Careful with the 4.7. I understand they often suffer from the oil pump getting clogged and then engine failure. This happened to my BIL some years ago around 110k. He did have a used engine put in it and sold it.

explorerx4

@corvette,
Sorry about the bad news but congrats on the interesting vehicle purchase.

roadburner

The C43 is now paid off; my next goal is to pay off the Sahara before my term ends in January 2025.

oldfarmer50

venture said:

The 1,500 mile report with the Legacy. Feel free to scroll by – it sort of bored me just typing it.

After having the BMW a short time, I knew it wasn’t going to make it through the long haul.

It was fast and handled well. It was pretty. I received more favorable comments from people over the 7 months I owned it than any other car I have owned for quite a while; even my former BMW. It looked somewhat menacing. When cruising on the highway, people in front of you moved over.

It didn’t have adaptive cruise control. Odd for that price point. It didn’t have fog lights because BMW engineers found a way to not need them (or maybe it was the bean counters).

When I opened a door, the radio started playing. I mean even if you just wanted to get your sunglasses. Then, if you didn’t lock it, the radio just kept playing. I don’t know for how long, but an oddity.

Many oddities that could have probably been fixed if I felt like taking the time to dwell on all the menus with iDrive and that little curious button on the end of the turn signal stock, but I didn’t.

I only kept it as long as I did because I couldn’t find anything else I liked until I realized the Subaru Legacy Sport didn’t just have the word “Sport” on the back and a higher price tag because of it.

The Legacy Sport is actually an XT without all the stuff I didn’t want. No ventilated seats which felt like sitting in a puddle of cold water, no navigation since WAZE is as good or better with Android Auto. And things I certainly can do without like power folding side mirrors, rear heated seats, 2 person seat settings since my wife never drives my car. The 180° front camera was nice, but I can do without that. I would have paid for it, but it is not available

The 260 HP, 2.4 liter turbo engine is quick. I was on the same on ramp I checked the BMW on last week and stepped on it. I reached 90 mph when I had to merge. The BMW got to 105. I can live with that. Certainly not slow. 0- 60 is 6.1 seconds. It’s a VCT, but Subaru did an amazing job giving it a shift point feel – 8 of them.

I’m not an audio nut, but the 12 speaker, 576 watt HK system is good. The LED steering responsive headlights are cool.

Not unhappy. No remorse.

I’m with you about not needing a lot of electronic features on my car. I particularly agree that cooled seats feel like sitting in a puddle of cold water.

oldfarmer50

venture said:

Michaell said:

nyccarguy said:

@venture said:

The 1,500 mile report with the Legacy. Feel free to scroll by – it sort of bored me just typing it.

After having the BMW a short time, I knew it wasn’t going to make it through the long haul.

It was fast and handled well. It was pretty. I received more favorable comments from people over the 7 months I owned it than any other car I have owned for quite a while; even my former BMW. It looked somewhat menacing. When cruising on the highway, people in front of you moved over.

It didn’t have adaptive cruise control. Odd for that price point. It didn’t have fog lights because BMW engineers found a way to not need them (or maybe it was the bean counters).

When I opened a door, the radio started playing. I mean even if you just wanted to get your sunglasses. Then, if you didn’t lock it, the radio just kept playing. I don’t know for how long, but an oddity.

Many oddities that could have probably been fixed if I felt like taking the time to dwell on all the menus with iDrive and that little curious button on the end of the turn signal stock, but I didn’t.

I only kept it as long as I did because I couldn’t find anything else I liked until I realized the Subaru Legacy Sport didn’t just have the word “Sport” on the back and a higher price tag because of it.

The Legacy Sport is actually an XT without all the stuff I didn’t want. No ventilated seats which felt like sitting in a puddle of cold water, no navigation since WAZE is as good or better with Android Auto. And things I certainly can do without like power folding side mirrors, rear heated seats, 2 person seat settings since my wife never drives my car. The 180° front camera was nice, but I can do without that. I would have paid for it, but it is not available

The 260 HP, 2.4 liter turbo engine is quick. I was on the same on ramp I checked the BMW on last week and stepped on it. I reached 90 mph when I had to merge. The BMW got to 105. I can live with that. Certainly not slow. 0- 60 is 6.1 seconds. It’s a VCT, but Subaru did an amazing job giving it a shift point feel – 8 of them.

I’m not an audio nut, but the 12 speaker, 576 watt HK system is good. The LED steering responsive headlights are cool.

Not unhappy. No remorse.

I’m glad you are happy with your Legacy Sport! Sounds like you are enjoying it!

He probably likes the money in his bank account more, earning 5%...

I should warn you guys. I'm going to move a chunk of money into either Vanguard investments or savings. Haven't decided yet.

When I do that things seem to go south. Almost every time.

Don’t worry, Vanguard has been in the toilet for the last two years. Your bad luck couldn’t possibly make it any worse. The only positive side is since I reinvest my dividends I’m buying in a lot cheaper.

I’d be much more concerned if I actually had to live off my investments.

Sandman6472

Safelite guy came but couldn't use the gel on the windshield as the crack was just too big, we need a replacement windshield. The tech couldn't do it, he could barely speak English and needed his phone to translate anything past "yes" or "no" answers. Glad I was at work as I would've been quite unhappy, how can a company send out an employee who can't communicate effectively! Glad he wasn't knowledgeable enough to swap out the windshield. So now, coming back on Friday morning to do the replacement.
Hoping things go as well as when they repaired mine a couple years back. Was a very good experience actually. Just unacceptable to send folks who can barely speak English to be honest to do work like this. Communication is so important on things like this and using one's cell phone to translate the simplest sentences just doesn't work for me. Luckily, as far as I know, insurance will cover the cost of everything.
It's always something it seems but, think we need a break from anymore automotive issues. Oil started leaking from under the A3 since she got home and the "EPC" light issue needs to be addressed. Have to restart the vehicle to make it go away but when the engine is warmed up, the icon doesn't appear. Very strange really. Am actively trying to convince her that another A3 is just not the answer here but think something Japanese or Korean should be her logical choice for a new vehicle. Like the Kia Forte or Hyundai Elantra as they should be close to the size of the A3. And there's also the CX-30 as for 2024, Mazda is getting rid of that awful infotainment nonsense and replacing it with a more logical set-up. Long overdue to be honest. And think the extra few inches of height might be very welcome for her.

qbrozen

Nope, not today. I was in at $6k on the titan. Sold for 7900. In at $3k on the JGC. No idea what the result was but exited the auction window at 3800.

Guess I just want the wrong ones. Just 5 vehicles before the JGC was a $9k mmr odyssey that sold for 5200. So deals can be had. Actually saw maybe 25% sell below mmr today. Maybe a sign of things. This was the NJ auction, which I can’t say I frequent. I have a few on the radar in IL tomorrow, so we’ll see if location is making a difference.

venture

oldfarmer50 said:

venture said:

Michaell said:

nyccarguy said:

@venture said:

The 1,500 mile report with the Legacy. Feel free to scroll by – it sort of bored me just typing it.

After having the BMW a short time, I knew it wasn’t going to make it through the long haul.

It was fast and handled well. It was pretty. I received more favorable comments from people over the 7 months I owned it than any other car I have owned for quite a while; even my former BMW. It looked somewhat menacing. When cruising on the highway, people in front of you moved over.

It didn’t have adaptive cruise control. Odd for that price point. It didn’t have fog lights because BMW engineers found a way to not need them (or maybe it was the bean counters).

When I opened a door, the radio started playing. I mean even if you just wanted to get your sunglasses. Then, if you didn’t lock it, the radio just kept playing. I don’t know for how long, but an oddity.

Many oddities that could have probably been fixed if I felt like taking the time to dwell on all the menus with iDrive and that little curious button on the end of the turn signal stock, but I didn’t.

I only kept it as long as I did because I couldn’t find anything else I liked until I realized the Subaru Legacy Sport didn’t just have the word “Sport” on the back and a higher price tag because of it.

The Legacy Sport is actually an XT without all the stuff I didn’t want. No ventilated seats which felt like sitting in a puddle of cold water, no navigation since WAZE is as good or better with Android Auto. And things I certainly can do without like power folding side mirrors, rear heated seats, 2 person seat settings since my wife never drives my car. The 180° front camera was nice, but I can do without that. I would have paid for it, but it is not available

The 260 HP, 2.4 liter turbo engine is quick. I was on the same on ramp I checked the BMW on last week and stepped on it. I reached 90 mph when I had to merge. The BMW got to 105. I can live with that. Certainly not slow. 0- 60 is 6.1 seconds. It’s a VCT, but Subaru did an amazing job giving it a shift point feel – 8 of them.

I’m not an audio nut, but the 12 speaker, 576 watt HK system is good. The LED steering responsive headlights are cool.

Not unhappy. No remorse.

I’m glad you are happy with your Legacy Sport! Sounds like you are enjoying it!

He probably likes the money in his bank account more, earning 5%...

I should warn you guys. I'm going to move a chunk of money into either Vanguard investments or savings. Haven't decided yet.

When I do that things seem to go south. Almost every time.

Don’t worry, Vanguard has been in the toilet for the last two years. Your bad luck couldn’t possibly make it any worse. The only positive side is since I reinvest my dividends I’m buying in a lot cheaper.

I’d be much more concerned if I actually had to live off my investments.
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Ain't that the truth?

venture

nyccarguy said:

@venture

Are there any suspension upgrades to the Sport or is it just the turbo motor and some cosmetics? When I had my 2015 Legacy, I had a thicker anti roll bar installed in the rear that seemed to liven things up in the handling department. It was straight off of an Outback.

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Nothing that I can see is different. I know about the sway bar modification. It's in the back of my pea brain. I just never thought I needed it.

nyccarguy

venture said:

nyccarguy said:

@venture

Are there any suspension upgrades to the Sport or is it just the turbo motor and some cosmetics? When I had my 2015 Legacy, I had a thicker anti roll bar installed in the rear that seemed to liven things up in the handling department. It was straight off of an Outback.

* * *

Nothing that I can see is different. I know about the sway bar modification. It's in the back of my pea brain. I just never thought I needed it.

From what I remember, it wasn't terribly expensive and a direct bolt on installation.

qbrozen

well now here is an interesting one... I have the chance to grab a 2001 Xterra 3.3 4wd with 104k miles for $1700. Obviously not super clean or anything but could be an interesting toy/work machine.

nyccarguy

qbrozen said:

well now here is an interesting one... I have the chance to grab a 2001 Xterra 3.3 4wd with 104k miles for $1700. Obviously not super clean or anything but could be an interesting toy/work machine.

How much rust?