Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    you should buy the tribute, fix all the little niggling issues it must have, then get bored with it and sell it to me cheap over Thanksgiving when I need a spare car.

    Seems like a win-win to me!

    and speaking of Ebay, the 2006 Mini Cooper S that I am watching (same guy that sold the light blue one last week) is only up to $5,600 with 12 hours left. Now really curious to see where that ends up!

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,040
    I always liked the instrument cluster in those early IS's. That one is a rare beast. Odd color, hard loaded and a stick.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    If you have sets of 4 that are decent, you can sell them to used tire shops. I always buy new tires before the tread is gone. I keep them which saves the disposal fee and sell them for $20 per set to the local tire shops.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    Lately, I've been buying used sets on Ebay myself. Just got a set for the wife's van with 80% tread for less than 50% the new price.

    I'm going to see what I can unload on Ebay. Sold a pair on Saturday, but buyer hasn't paid yet.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    On a slightly different note, there are auto sellers on ebay with 100% feedback ratings. It would seem unlikely that after selling several thousand used cars, someone didn't get a dud. What gives?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,528
    That IS300 is a nice ride. I've never seen one in that color. The exhaust & shift knob tell me this car WAS NOT adult driven. I wonder if the new shoes were put on just for the sale.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,040
    edited July 2012
    I stumbled upon the G37 board here on Edmunds. There appears to be some good short term lease specials on the G.

    MSRP: 43655
    G37 AWD Premium + Nav
    1799 at delivery & 342/Month including taxes - 18 Month lease
    Net Cap Cost: 38896


    2012 Infiniti G37x Sedan, MSRP 43.8K, 1,400 out of pocket, 325 a month (including NYC tax of almost 9%) for 18 months

    2012 G37xS red/black sedan
    $250 including NJ TAX a month with $1429 due at signing


    That last one may be a little too good to be true.

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  • gouldngouldn Member Posts: 220
    I wonder the miles allowed on those deals
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,040
    10k/yr

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,074
    on eBay, bought two nearly-new runflats for the 2011 Z4... that my friend took over on the lease... Paid $255 including shipping .... vs. $530 for brand new...

    eBay feedback... fellow members taught me that the feedback score is only on the last six or 12 months (I forget)..

    eBay "no reserve" auctions: In my opinion, you are never going to steal a car like that from a dealer... If they don't like the price, they'll just say it sold shortly before the auction ended...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    they have to be careful about that though, right? If they get caught Ebay could ban them.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,074
    Sure, it's possible...

    No dealer is going to lose $2K or more on a deal, because he forgot to put a reserve on.... eBay makes their money off sellers, and will generally protect them...

    I've won auctions (not for cars) that somehow get canceled after I've "won" them.... with no explanations forthcoming...

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    Well, absolutely. I know there are ways around things. Hell, they could just shill it up if nothing else.

    My hope is always that they'll be happy to get rid of an oddball car that they probably paid a minimal amount for anyway (such as a manual Tribute with 114k miles and big dents in the roof). ;)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 267,074
    Who would make shill bids on a car? :surprise:

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The dealer's cousin. :-)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    it usually starts with crazy internet forum people, then snowballs.

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  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    To those that have Hondas is this typical behaviour of a Honda service dept?

    We noticed last week that the Civic was leaking (minor, just a small spot on the garage floor), so hubby jacked it up and we looked to see what it was. Originally looked like the oil pan gasket. Car has 102k on it and has a Honda ESC for 6 yrs/120k which was purchased at the orginal dealer (same service dept) when we bought the car in October 2008.

    We stopped by the Honda dealer last week to make an appt since we had to drive by there anyway. Hubby explained that he noticed a small oil leak and immediatly the service advisor got defensive, he asked who found the leak and where was it leaking from, mind you neither of us have been inside this dealer in at least a year. Hubby said he thought the oil pan but wasn't sure. After looking up the records on the car, the advisor asked who did the last 3 oil changes since we had stopped bringing the car to the dealer (60 miles away). We said a local shop that we trust, the one that did the head gasket on the Escort. At that point the advisor said it was probably the oil filter, hubby said no, he checked that, after that the advisor said they probably over torqued the drain plug and that's what was leaking. We made the appt and left.

    We took it back to the shop that did the oil change and after a good laugh they put the car up on the lift, it wasn't anything they did, it much higher up in the engine than the oil pan. I took pictures and have print outs of the last 3 oil changes. I'm completely confused as to why we were treated that way by Honda, its almost like we insulted his wife or something. We were very nice, simply wanted to make an appt. The car has NEVER had an issue before this, no warranty repairs at all since it was purchased new at this same dealer.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    well, that did not come out right...

    anyway, looks like the guy I know that works for Hyundai now has a new Santa Fe to drive. Hopefully we will be able to connect with him this week to check it out.

    pretty much the only thing keeping my wife from finally picking out what to get at this point is seeing this. Once she does, and we take a look at the new Subaru Outback (have not seen a 2013 yet), she will pick one, then I just have to figure out how/when to actually get it!

    the Santa Fe won't be out for a couple months, and the OB would be a special order 9so about 10 weeks). An RDX, could buy one tomorrow, if I could actually pay for it...

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    not in my experience (and until recently, I had 2 hondas and an Acura, all of which went to the Honda dealer for stuff).

    most likely, it was just him (bad day?) with some measure of setting up the expectation that if you screwed something up they might not cover it (call it the Jmonroe theorem).

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  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    most likely, it was just him (bad day?) with some measure of setting up the expectation that if you screwed something up they might not cover it (call it the Jmonroe theorem).

    That's what hubby said, maybe he was just having a bad day. We'll see, appt is Thursday. I plan on having my ducks in a row and all the proof we need. Thankfully we also have the local shop on our side.

    I love the service dept at the local GM dealer, service advisor is a riot, she is so much fun to deal with. They had my truck for 11 days last month (mostly waiting on parts after they got into it), started out with an oil pan gasket and they found a leak at the back of the fly wheel, figured they might as well get that one too since the powertrain warranty was almost up. She made sure I had a truck for a rental and kept me informed, got things done as quickly as she could. I was very impressed, have been with the whole dealership.
  • bolivarbolivar Member Posts: 2,316
    My Ridgeline has never been in for warranty. Have had local dealer do some minor maintenance a couple of times. This truck has always had a 'rough' throttle response. It's an electronic pedal, of course, and off idle at a stop it has never been very smooth, goes from a stop to a surge unless you are very careful with the throttle.

    Anyway, there is a TSB out there about a somewhat major problem. On some Ridgelines when you 'floor it' for a pass, for example, it will not upshift again, it stays in the gear that it downshifted to. It does not set a 'check engine code' when it does this, it is just a driveability problem. The TSB indicates that an update of the computer will fix this. And with the update, the throttle management becomes much smoother.

    I discussed this TSB with the service manager. I did not lie and say that my truck has had the upshift problem. His response was something along the line "If it doesn't have a 'check engine light' on, there is nothing we can do about it." We all know this is BS, a customer driveability problem is all that is needed to work on a problem. Many driveability problems will not set a CEL.

    I didn't press it. I have an extended warranty wit a zero deductibility. The service manager could have written this up under the guidelines of the TSB, done the computer update in probably 15 minutes, filed a claim for the work aganist my warranty, and had a truck that drives better and a happy customer. But, no, he gave me a BS answer.

    I still may show up with a through driveablity problem that matches the TSB exactly, with the TSB number, and demand a computer update.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,040
    Really? Poor customer service there for sure. If there is a TSB they should fix it at the customer's request no questions asked. It isn't like they are doing it for free.

    When I had the Genesis I had an intermitent problem with the power tilt/tele steering wheel. It basically had a mind of it's own. Naturally when I took it to the dealer it worked perfectly. They said its no problem they knew about the TSB and ordered the parts. I had to wait a month because they were on backorder, but that wasn't the dealer's fault.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,040
    RX-7 is a limited edition...... :P

    VW, are diesels still going for crazy money? nuts.

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I am writing this message from my "authorized Saturn service center" (aka the local Chevrolet dealership).

    Why? Because I have a rather large problem with my ION. I can't get the key out of the ignition!

    Was doing the pizza delivery thing last night when I discovered this. Cannot turn the car off - key is stuck in the "ON" position. I went back to the store and checked out for the night, then drove to a local auto parts store for some assistance. The owners manual states that there is an 'emergency latch' in the steering column that will allow the key to be turned off and removed. Yes, there is a way to access this latch. No, couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. Neither could the guy at the store. He removed the cover to the steering column and discovered that the latch was already in the disengage position. Hmmm.

    So, he proceeds to tell me that to turn the car off I have to remove the fuse for the ignition system, then disconnect the battery so it won't run down overnight. Okay, I can do that.

    First thing this morning, I head to the dealership to have this looked at. I suspect there is a problem with the ignition cylinder. Just hope they have parts in stock - I'm supposed to work again tonight.

    Plus, I'm planning to drive to California starting next Wednesday - over 2000 miles round trip.

    Sheesh.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    I'm currently high bidder on the mazda. I didn't put in my max yet. I may have to take a trip tomorrow morning to see it in person first. Looking at the numbers again, I think I may bid what I think it would go for at dealer auction.

    tjc - as crazy as I think it is to ask/spend $10k on a nearly 10-year-old Jetta, these actually are fetching pretty ridiculous money. About $7k wholesale.

    That RX7 .... I'm just not seeing it. At least get Maaco to throw some paint on the damned thing to justify the money.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    $1,625? risking the kids college fund there!

    though could be a pretty good deal at that price. Hope you win.

    then in November, after you put in a clutch, do a tune-up, new brakes, etc. I will be happy to give you 2K for it.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    The extended warranty may not help. Something usually has to be BROKEN to pay. Get it done with the original warranty to be safe.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,528
    I got fantastic service for my '01 Prelude Type SH from the original selling dealer for the 1st 90K of its life. Since then I've had a trusted independent mechanic do the work.

    I brought my wife's '11 Pilot to it's original selling dealer for oil change. I thought the service advisor was pleasant to deal with & seemed knowledgeable. It was conveniently located to my house, so when I hit a nice pothole in my 142,000 mile, 10 year old Prelude I figured I'd bring it there. The service advisor told me they couldn't perform an alignment because the car needed thousands of dollars worth of suspension work, and a new clutch ($2000).

    All I needed was 4 new tires & an alignment. I brought my wife's Pilot to another dealer for its 2nd oil change & some warranty work. They were pleasant to deal with & fixed everything.

    Sounds like your guy is trying to get out of doing warranty work because he's lazy & doesn't want to do the paperwork.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    Always looking to take advantage of me. :cry:

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    Oh, just thought to locate their real asking price.
    And it is actually quite reasonable.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    long way to their asking price with 1 day left on a no-reserve auction.

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  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    $240 to replace the ignition cylinder.

    Better than a car payment, for sure!

    Wife was very concerned last night when I got home and immediately jumped on line to see what was available at the dealership where I was getting the car fixed.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    my wife just sent me a smiley emoticon because we are going to be able to check out the Santa Fe tonight, and the dealer has some 2013 Outbacks in stock now. So we can see everything on the short list, so can make a decision on what to move forward with.

    man, she wants a new car something fierce!

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,528
    I know someone selling a 2008 Infiniti FX35 AWD.
    Metallic Dark Brown Exterior
    Black Leather interior
    31K miles
    Navigation/backup camera (I think)
    Dealer Serviced
    Never hit
    Tires look to be about 50%
    Exterior Condition - 8/10 (Rear bumper has a few nicks & a scratch by the rear wheel well)
    Interior Condition - 9.5/10 (some wear on driver's bolster, back seats NEVER USED)
    18" wheels are PERFECT
    Bronx, NY

    What does the great Q think?

    Too bad I'm not in the market right now;)

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    edited July 2012
    Not typical at all.

    A shop or for that matter, any business is only as good as it's worst employee.

    That Service Advisor should be fired.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    Miles are good. Too bad its not the dark brown over brown leather. Makes for a gorgeous car.

    Anyway, it would most likely pull $23k-24k at the block. Figure $23k TOPS as a trade. Probably more like $22k.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,751
    So i just called on the Tribute to see it tomorrow. He told me he "just sold it."

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  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Not typical at all.

    A shop or for that matter, any business is only as good as it's worst employee.

    That Service Advisor should be fired.


    Since we moved I've always dealt with him, with my 07 Pilot it was never in for anything but simple oil changes, no warranty work. When I got my '11 Pilot, I took it in for its first oil change at 7500 miles (had not been to the dealer since I purchased it 3 months earlier and this was 2 months after the accident), I mentioned that the sunroof was grinding when I closed it. I asked if they could take a look at it while it was in for the oil change. Nothing nasty or accusing in my tone, just a simple question. That was when his attitude totally changed and I was met with the following in a yelling tone from this same service advisor "If you don't like the car why don't you just get rid of it??" I was stunned and nearly in tears, hubby was standing right next to me. We just left and traded the car in an hour later for the '11 F-150.

    We would have dealt with a different advisor last week to make the appt, but he was the only one working. I hope things go differently tomorrow when we take the car in. We do know this will be our LAST Honda, never again.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Seriously, you really ought to call and ask for the General Manager and let him know about this jerk.

    Don't let one nasty person stop you from buying another Honda. That makes no sense. Nasty people are everywhere and they have no business dealing with the public.

    Call the GM and let him know what is happening.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    finally saw all 3 of the wife's "short list" cars in the same evening.

    The (not yet released) Santa Fe was delivered to my driveway for inspection (courtesy of the guy I know that works for Hyundai corporate). It was a 2.0T (turbo) model but seemed to be a base one, without the pano roof or navi. But, still loaded with goodies (including heated rear seats, and a touchscreen radio display). And all the expected luxo and telematics goodies. Even has driver select-able electric steering.

    nicely styled. Very sharp. And a great interior. Well designed, and super comfy. Lots of cargo space and storage, and the rear seats slide up and back making the rear area even more useful. Nice seats. Rear view camera on the center display screen. Fancy pants dashboard with a slick display mode.

    overall, very impressive. Just need to see the final details (as in, how they price and package it), and for the wife, if they have it in Blue~! and decide Turbo or not, AWD or not.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    to continue, after seeing the Hyundai (could not drive, but was told that it was a big step up from the old one, and he really liked it). Plus, even with the turbo and AWD, he was getting a steady 28mpg on the highway, and I know he does not take it easy.

    so, after grabbing a burger (5 guys, yum!) we wandered over to look at a 2013 Outback at the SUbe dealer. just off truck, so with all the plastic, etc. But, it was nice. Certainly more conservative, but well equipped. Wife liked the dash, but neither one of us really liked the seats. Not padded in the right spots, and the seat cushions were on the short side (something Hyundai addressed, since the old model was like that, but the new one was much better).

    After that, we stopped at Acura to play with an RDX again. Nice, but seemed noticeably smaller, particularly in the cargo area (which was not expandable, with no sliding seats). Nice dash, but pretty pricey. Just really did not seem like a more expensive car than the Hyundai. And a major price differential I expect.

    so, finally got the wife to say which she liked better (Hyundai or Subaru) - she had an opinion, but wanted mine first!) and she picked the Hyundai. She still likes the Acura, but I think is leaning to the Hyundai when laying out all the factors.

    Also means that we need to wait a while (man, she is ticked that Hyundai does not have prices and colors out yet!) to see what the options are, and possibly a few month wait until the supplies build up so the prices come down!

    but IMO this is going to be a serious winner for Hyundai.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,040
    and she picked the Hyundai

    Well I guess that answered my question from the other thread!

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The only wrinkle now is the potential strike and any effect that could have on the Georgia factory (or is the Sport made South Korea?). (WSJ link)
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    looks like a non-factor, if it is a 1 day deal. The Santa Fe is made in the USA too.

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  • jayriderjayrider Member Posts: 3,602
    if you go to kia.com, they have prices on the 2013 Sorento. should be close to the Santa Fe.
  • jpp75jpp75 Member Posts: 1,535
    I've been toying with getting rid of my 2011 Grand Cherokee and this lease caught my eye. I had been looking at a G37x for a while and then the dealer emailed and mentioned the 18 month lease. They are offering nothing down but the first month's payment and 12k per year for $399 plus tax which in NC equates to about $417 per month.

    That's a good $250 less than the jeep and with all the problems I have with the GC I'm ready to be rid of it. I thought with leasing I wouldn't care as much about quality but sitting at the dealer for hours on end gets old. Very tempting, going to look at the exact color combo I want this weekend, could be a nice change.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,040
    Sweet, let us know how you make out.

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  • js06gvjs06gv Member Posts: 460
    I also just saw my first '13 Santa Fe last night. We are vacationing in California and one rolled up alongside us in traffic on I-5 near San Diego. Was obviously a pre-production model, with Michigan manufacturer plates, no badging, lots of stickers on the windows nd some weird stuff like unfinished looking tailpipes that stuck out about 6 inches past the bumper cover. Great looking rig though, and made my 2007 SF look decidedly dated. This was the shorter WB model, so a SF Sport. There is a longer 7-pass model, labeled just "Santa Fe," that will basically take the place of the Veracruz. The Sport looks roughly the same size as mine, maybe a tad smaller? The long WB model is definitely larger than the '07.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,466
    yeah, the new model sport is about the same size. Maybe a little wider though.

    and the LWB model (due around December) will be the size of the veracruz, and replaces that model.

    The one I saw was a pre-prod too, but supposedly very complete (more so than normal for those) since they are so close to production (which may have already started). And it had no disguises of any kind.

    It does look vastly more modern than the old style, and the interior is a huge improvement.

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