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  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Ok, what happened in the end of part 2?? My stupid computer wouldn't play the last 4 minutes. Does the truck survive?? Poor little Toyota! :cry:
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Oh man I can't ruin it for the rest of the class.
  • jjtjjjtj Member Posts: 80
    That was very cool...it makes me want to go buy a Toyota truck right now. It also looks like what Motor Week would be like, hosted by Johnny Knoxville.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Top Gear is one of the best programs on TV. It is funny and also make some good points from time to time.

    You do have to watch out for Clarkson in particular as he does have a good bit of anti-american bias. Err well I wouldn't even call it just that he has anti-german, anti-french and basicly anti anyone who is not british.

    If a car is truly amazing though he will ignore where it comes from but might make a comment along the lines of...

    "and what makes Insert Car Name Here even more amazing is that it was designed by those bloody colonials."
  • jjtjjjtj Member Posts: 80
    The fact that that truck was a diesel, helped it greatly... I don't know if a gas motor with distributor, coil, etc., would've started as easily, or at all, especially after pulling it out of the ocean! I'd love to have a pre-95 Toyo 4WD truck...those trucks are unbelievable.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,024
    but at one time, Toyota also made a heavy-duty version, like a 3/4 or 1-ton version of their compact truck. It was quite common in applications such as small U-haul trucks, Dolphin motorhomes, etc. I haven't been able to pull up the video, but could that old Toyota have been the heavy duty version?

    Oddly, a few tablespoons of salt were usually enough to ruin those things around here.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    I concur. I can't wait for the next season of TG to start in October. They are witty and relevant, although I don't always agree with their opinions (I couldn't imagine thinking of buying a late-model VW/Audi product).

    To anyone watching it on the Discovery Channel, you're getting the watered-down version. The full episodes are one hour long with no commercials. One of the parts that isn't featured on the US version is the "Star in a Reasonably-Priced Car."

    One of these segments featured Clarkson comparing the BMW satnav system to the one in his Mercedes. He said the BMW voice was a female that politely asked the driver to make a U-turn, the Mercedes voice was an angry German man that told him (cue German accent) "you will turn around and try it again now."
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Search for the interview with Sir Ranulph Fiennes.

    That is a really great star in a resonably priced car one.

    Oh and if you haven't seen the episode where Clarkson drives the Audi A8 diesel 800 miles on a single tank of gas then you also missed a great one.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Oh man I can't ruin it for the rest of the class.

    You're KILLING me!!! I still can't believe what all they did to that poor little truck, man, makes me want to go buy one, lol.

    I've got a Ford in the yard that looks almost like it went through the same thing. It was a victim of someone taking the *4x4 Off Road* stickers literally! I really don't think Ford meant for the truck to be used as a tree basher. When we picked it up my little brother said "don't hurt the driver's side door, its worth $350 on the salvage market and its the ONLY straight panel on the truck".

    If it wasn't a Powerstroke diesel and it didn't run as good as it does no way I would have paid $2k for it. The engine is worth more than that........it really is sad when the engine is worth more than the whole truck! :sick:
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    A friend just sent me an email with some amazing photos. I'll include one here:

    When the dust gets thick on the back window of his Mini Cooper, Scott Wade uses it as a canvas to create temporary works of art. Among his creations was a copy of C.M. Coolidge's 'A Friend in Need,' better known as dogs playing poker.

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    More pictures can be found at autoblog.com
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I sent you a carspace email with the ending.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Darn, I can't see the clip as it runs for 2 seconds then freezes.. then starts again for 2 seconds then freezes... Darn Dial-up. :mad:

    I tried to get DSL but "the powers that be" say it's not available on my phone number. My office doesn't have a cable connection so I'm stuck with dial up and no "picture shows" :sick:

    Mark156 :surprise:
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah sorry about that if you don't have some kind of broadband you are kind of screwed.

    What you could try was to bring the video up and then hit pause. The video will keep loading as the image is paused and you can come back and watch it after say 20 or 30 minutes.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    Pretty cool. I'd hate to wash the car after creating that, though!
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    I think I have seen all of them since the show was resurrected in 2002. I have them archived to DVDs in case I ever want to watch them again (I never do this in practice, but it's nice to know that they're there if I want them).
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    British_Rover.... you are one smart DUDE!! It worked.. I paused the show and left for about 20 minutes and I was able to watch a nice segment of it. It appears that I will have to let it down load for at least and hour to get the whole thing.

    For some reason, my computer has been running awfully slow.. or it might be my server. Anyway.. thanks for the tip!

    Mark156 :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Very, very good points. I can't argue the 4 cyl. vs. 6, if only because "everyone wants what they want". But, it is a truck, it's not the tiny Toyota P/U of 15-20 years ago, & if there are way more 6 cyl's available, you might be likely to get a much better deal on one (?).

    I looked at the TRD package again, & for what you get, over the SR5: Alloys, fog lights, Bilsteins, nicer seat fabric (?), etc., it seems like a very good deal. One thing I learned when I bought my current bmw: it's way more expensive to add options after the fact (if you really want them). And it's frustrating to drive around in a car you got "a better deal on", but wish you'd spent the extra $3K on the BMW Sport Package, or whatever.

    Personally, I think I'm going to look at used 4Runners, esp. if the prices are down. And maybe slightly used current-gen Tacomas--even tho everyone says their resale is so good that it's almost not worth buying used, if I could get a mint condition year old TRD package & save a few thousand (?), that could make it do-able for me.

    I guess $28K sticker for a TRD offroad package, auto, V6, doesn't seem ridiculous to me. And the 18 mpg: well, I owned a Ranger Rover that got 12 mpg, so......

    But it's all Personal decisions & preferences, I think.

    Cheers, Woody
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    If memory serves, you can get a used 4Runner in excellent shape for under $20k. Gas prices notwithstanding, they seem to be a good value.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Totally, it's all about personal preferences. If I were buying one tomorrow, I would spring for the TRD offroad package. That's the mood I'm in today. I am not as enamoured of the TRD sport package, although I do like the LSD that package has, vs the locker in the offroad package.

    And for me, someone who has had a couple of Toyota pick-ups over the years, it is just amazing that the lowly little guy has reached the $30K sticker price point. That has me doing double-takes, but I agree it is not an outlandish price in the context of the market.

    The big V-6 the current model has makes this truck FAST when it's empty. It weighs about what my 4Runner does but has a full 1/3 more power. Wow.

    As for 4Runners, new ones are being so heavily discounted now that paying more than about $22K for a used 4x4 Runner is a bad idea, IMO. Beyond that price point you should just go the extra 10% and buy new.

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    I sent you a carspace email with the ending.

    Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!!! :D

    Oh here's a picture of my Ford that I was talking about.......it looks almost like its been through the same thing. Had the tranny serviced today (originally thought the tranny was going bad) and there's nothing wrong with it, was just a plugged tranny filter.

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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786
    I have the past few years of TG and 5G backed up onto DVD as well. If there is one thing that drives me nuts about the show, though, it's the constant (nearly every show) reference to the Spitfire as the greatest engineering marvel of all time. And, the amount of times Clarkson says the word 'astonishing'; that's my only rant :P I like Captain Slow.

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd

  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah I think they mention the spitfire at least once every other show.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    The Toyota truck video is hilarious. When they torch the interior it reminded me of my first vehicle. A '75 Toyota pick-up with the interior fire bombed and already redone when I bought it. I never got the full story on it but the owner said some kids thru a coke bottle filled with gas in it one night.

    The inside was completely re-upolstered and painted. The dash was original though and had one scorch mark. Never had a problem with that truck, and the 4-cyl ran like a champ even though I used it pretty heavily in a landscape business I needed it for in high school and college.

    I'm with Nippon on the 4 cyl.,if I was to get one today that is the way I would go. Although I think a crew cab in 4 cyl would be a tough one to find.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    The current model Tacoma doesn't offer a 4-banger in the Crew Cab model, or a 6-cyl in the regular cab model. There is one model of the 4wd extended cab that offers the I4, but only with a manual.

    If you want a 4-cyl 4x4 crew cab truck, I think the GM models used to offer that, but I'd say it wasn't a very good seller. It's not offered in 2007, but you can still get a 4-cyl 2wd crew cab.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    I never noticed Clarkson over-using "astonishing," but he does like to make proclamations of (fill in blank) "...in the WORLD!"

    The Fifth Gear presenters seem to have less in the way of personality than the Top Gear presenters. I look forward to the next Top Gear, but don't regularly watch Fifth Gear.

    Hamsters eat cardboard! :P
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    I thought that was part of the TG drinking game. Everytime he says astonishing, you sip your beverage. I think there were a few other key words as well.
    Its very similar to everytime someone mentions "the force" in Star Wars.
  • gussguss Member Posts: 1,167
    I kind of thought that they would not do it here. I wonder if they offer the Crew cab 4-cyl. anywhere else in the world. Gas prices being so high I wonder if they would bring it here. Or it just be case of it being so heavy the 4 will get the same mileage as the 6.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    I think they offer a diesel 4-cyl in other markets.
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    I don't know much about what diesel models Toyota currently sells in other countries. I'm pretty sure they have sold diesel Land Cruisers in the past (just not in the US).

    You'd think--a diesel 4Runner, Taco, or Tundra would sell like hotcakes in the US, but maybe they think we spoiled Americans don't really want diesels. Kind of like BMW (even tho even BMW sold a diesel in the US once).
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I bring home interesting used cars when I feel like it.

    2005 Westminister Range Rover. Only 300 were made and original MSRP was around 85,000 dollars.

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  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    I thought you were bringing home the M3 this weekend?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Boss took it home before I had the chance. So I figured taking the westminister would be fun too. It still has a BMW motor besides I can get really comfy in those 16 way adjustable seats.
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    I think Nissan still makes one but their Frontier is so heavy now that you don't get much MPG benefit. I had been looking for a 2002-2004 Mazda B2300SE forever and finally found this one (along with a Miata that sort of followed me home.) It's a 2004 2WD 5-speed with 16k miles, Cruise, A/C, CD, rear slider, bedliner, and rear jumpseats (which my 4 yr old loves!). For the $10k I paid it's a darn nice little truck, and I still have over 30k miles under warranty. EPA rating is 24/29, which is as good as it gets in a pickup. I've been getting mid-20s with lots of stop and go, and it has a huge tank so I can go 400 miles between fillups, even in the city.

    The 2.3 is from the Mazda3/Mazda6 and is plenty powerful. I wasn't sold on the color but it's growing on me, and it has the grey interior which is a plus as I can't stand beige. Only real problem is that it really holds on to revs between gears. I'm trying to figure out if there's a good fix for that. Anyway, here it is. I still need to clean up the Miata to get some good pics, but I am taking it to Summit Point next weekend.

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    -Jason
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    There were a lot of S-10s and Sonomas sold, mostly for fleet use, that were 4-cylinders. Some extended cab, some regular cab, some auto, some manual. I haven't seen many Canyons or Colorados with the 4-banger--they're mostly 5-bangers (yes, the 5-cylinder engine is a "banger" as well, it sounds like it came out of a farm implement--GM makes some nice V8 engines, but they missed the boat with this one).

    Is the inline six in the Trailblazer/Envoy as unrefined and whiny as the inline five that is based on it?
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Altezzas on a Land Rover? :sick:
  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,786
    :)

    25 NX 450h+ / 24 Sienna Plat AWD / 23 Civic Type-R / 21 Boxster GTS 4.0 / 03 Montero Ltd

  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Is the inline six in the Trailblazer/Envoy as unrefined and whiny as the inline five that is based on it?

    I've never driven the inline-5 canyon, but I did drive a Trailblazer a couple times that had the inline-6. I found it to be quiet and fairly refined, quite peppy too. I can't remember what it was, but there was something about the truck that annoyed me, thus the reason I didn't buy it.

    I'm trying to remember what I owned at the time, but I remember thinking the Trailblazer what a lot quieter than what I was driving.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    All 2003-2005 Range Rovers have those style lights as standard. The original concept for the Mark III range Rover was supposed to be kind of spaceship looking The Tailights were supposed to be thruster like looking things. It was pretty radical looking at the time.

    2006 Range Rovers have the upper light clear in LED lights that turn orange when they light up.

    2006 Supercharged Range Rovers have clear upper and lower lights that are LED driven.

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    As to the 6 cylidner in the Trailblazer. The 4200 series motor is very smooth, efficient and powerful. It would be a great motor for a midzised sports sedan but GM will never do it because they don't think out of the box enough. You could de-stroke that motor down to 4.0 liters or maybe even a little smaller.

    Pump the revs up after that and add variable valve timing to both intake and exhaust and I am sure 350 horsepower would be very easy.

    Turbo charged versions of that motor have made I belive close to 400 horsepower.

    Twin turbo trailblazer
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    Weird that it's smooth in the inline-six version. Something must have gone terribly wrong when they chopped a cylinder off of it to stick it in the midsize pickups. I don't know how the four-cylinder version compares, either.
  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    I've owned two S10s. The first one was fine - the second turned me off ever owning a GM pickup again. The 4 cyls on the older trucks were absolutely gutless, so the 4.3 V6 was the only real option. I've heard nothing good about the Canyon/Colorados, so I never really even considered one. Typical GM idiocy - they based their new pickup on the Isuzu design, then left out the one thing Isuzu does really well - a small 4 cyl diesel...

    I don't pretend to know all the harmonics and such behind it, but from what I understand inline 6s and V12s are perfectly balanced, and most other types of engines have at least one or more inherent imbalances. 5 cyls are historically pretty tough go get smooth.

    -Jason
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    5 cylinders can be well balanced if they are done properly but they do normaly need some balance shafts like a 4 cylinder does.

    Volvo has down various 5 cylinder motors for years with no problems. Honda has done a couple of 5 cylinders and both Mercedes and Land Rover have done 5 cylinder diesels for a long time.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Audi was big in the 5 cylinders too.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah I knew I forgot one of them. My wife had a 1989 Audi 100 with the 5 cylinder her last couple of years of college and just after she graduated.

    It was a bad car but considering it had 240,000 plus plus miles, not sure exactly how many as the odometer worked off and on, and still get around 30 mpg with the AC on it wasn't but so bad.
  • nippononlynippononly Member Posts: 12,555
    Nice truck! For a short time I was considering buying a new Ranger 4-cyl, but as sales have dropped dealers near me never stock them any more. Too hard to find, so I stopped trying!

    As for 4-cyl extended cabs, it is easy to find Tacomas in that configuration as long as you only want RWD. If you want 4WD, there are like a handful anywhere on the west coast. Funny thing is, this weekend I was camped next to some people that had one (4-cyl 4WD). They told me it took them forever to get the one they wanted, and even then they had to settle for the ubiquitous silver, when they really wanted the dark blue.

    As for the diesels, Toyota sells more diesel than gas in Hilux (Tacoma/4Runner) in some global markets. I think they just didn't bring it here because they never saw the demand, and because of the new emissions regs. Since they have announced there will be a diesel for the next-gen Tundra, I think it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility that they might eventually certify a diesel for the Tacoma too. That would be a good idea, I think. Why don't any of the manufacturers offer a diesel in their midsize pick-ups?

    2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)

  • jaserbjaserb Member Posts: 820
    Thanks. One nice bonus is that the ext cabs have a bigger tank than the reg cabs - something like 20 gals vs. 16, so the range is great. Makes for a nice commuter, since I can go a couple of weeks without filling up. Clutch is pretty good in stop and go traffic as well.

    I always liked Tacos, in spite of being somewhat overpriced, but the recent redesign just made it too big for me to consider, since I have to squeeze into some tight parking spaces. And the pseudo-Dodge schnoz they put on starting in 2001 or so ruined the looks of the earlier generation for me.

    Stripped down, fleet model XL Rangers are easy to find, if you can give up cloth seats, cruise, carpet, stereo, alloy wheels, and probably even A/C. No thanks.

    -Jason
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    Someone ran a red light and hit my 325i this evening. Thankfully, I'm OK. It doesn't look like enough damage to total it.

    I am considering having it towed to Swope (Louisville) or The BMW Store (Cincinnati) to do an estimate. I think The BMW Store is BMW-certified, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

    Edit: Does the BMW Store even have a body shop?
  • sandman46sandman46 Member Posts: 1,798
    You O.k.? Sounds like you are. To bad about the car though. Maybe time to trade that puppy in...?
    Hope you are well though.

    The Sandman :(
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    Yes, I am fine. Thanks for the sympathy. I have attached some pictures below.

    My car:
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    The car that ran the red light:
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  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    This is not a time for penny-pinching or half-measures.

    First step: Get the highest estimate you possibly can. In order to accomplish that, you need to have your sled towed to the most expensive body shop that still enjoys "preferred" status with your insurance carrier.

    The number that store gives you will pretty much be gospel... I decided to not have a car repaired in similar circumstances, and the adjuster that was sent out to do a 2nd appraisal came in $50 under the original $6k appraisal. The higher the figure, the better your options.

    The next step is to figure out what your car was worth pre-accident, and what it will likely bring after the fix. Also, you need to know if frame work will be involved.

    Good luck,
    -Mathias
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,299
    Thanks for the heads-up... I would prefer a BMW-certified body shop, but the closest one could be 200+ miles away. Once I find one I will probably have it towed there for an estimate.

    There are fewer hurdles to getting diminished value (and, a premium rental car :) if the at-fault other guy has valid insurance, and I won't know that until the police report comes in in a couple of days.

    I'm not saying I've thought of everything, if you have any more pointers, let me know. I wish I could just get a check for the value of the car, pre-crash, and go from there, but it's never that easy. Thanks for your help!
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