Chronic Car Buyers Anonymous (Archived)

xwesx

stever said:

Housekeeping note - not sure which discussion we were talking about the back button and Recent Discussions. That feature is back so you can now use the back arrow keys in your browser to go back to the discussion list and the list will automatically refresh.

I see that Inconsiderate Drivers is still not fixed. Did y'all intentionally kill that one? I mean, it worked....

xwesx

So, general recap after all those fantastic posts!

Q, we have to refresh those lists every so often. Who wants to thumb through 1700 pages of posts to hunt that stuff down? A spreadsheet sounds like a very good idea.

Kyfdx - I knew there was a good story there! That's the best reason to keep a car that long.

We were quite fond of our '96 Outback, despite it's being an automatic. At the time, I did not even consider manual because my wife was not all that confident in her abilities with my C20, had experienced a minor "crash" that prior winter, and had not driven the truck since. We purchased it in August 2000 with 83K on the ticker, just a couple of weeks before our wedding. In 2003, I pulled the engine to replace a bunch of seals on it due to the dealership overfilling the oil, then in 2005 I replaced the water pump, and a few months later I had to pull it again to replace the head gaskets. Then, at 220,000 miles on 12/30/06, I was run off the road by a psycho driver and the car was destroyed. It was an early end for that ol' girl.

It did strand us a few times, even with babes on board, but we're pretty resourceful people, so we worked it out. In most cases, the strandings were my fault for one reason or another, so we never lost confidence in the car (not even on the night when I nearly froze to death due to the water pump failing at -30F and 0200 on a Sunday).

carnaught

Geez, looking at these lists makes me a bit self conscious. I...I think only one or two of you, like Mike, have exceeded my number (red-faced), so I'm not going to divulge. Of course, Mike is older than me .

tifighter

I think looking back the most recent, say, 5 to 10 years is what is relevant for CCBA purposes. If you are averaging 1 punch per two years, you probably get an invite. But you really need to average 1 punch per year over that time if you want to play varsity. Needless to say, @breld is an all-star...

Mr_Shiftright

A sure bet for 2016 MVP I think.

tifighter

Mr_Shiftright said:

A sure bet for 2016 MVP I think.

Yeah, forget Lebron, here comes Lebreld...

breld

Well, Mrs. @breld certainly gets a big assist in all this.

Michaell

breld said:

Well, Mrs. @breld certainly gets a big assist in all this.

Yes, yes she does.

stickguy

I've had little bunches followed by slow period. But over last 10 years, probably averages out to around 1 annually.

Also getting senile. My real number is 31. Forgot my last toy, my integra. Oops.

anony336

We are at 53 cars since 1995. We have slowed down a lot lately. Darn kids and trying to be a responsible adult. 

1989 Ford Probe
1982 Tercel
1991 MR2
1989 Celica
1997 Rav4
1990 Integra
1992 Integra
1993 integra
1993 Civic
1996 Civic
1998 Civic 
1998 Civic
1991 Accord
1993 Accord
1999 Accord
2003 Accord
2004 Accord
2004 Accord
2009 Accord
2013 Accord
2003 Acura MDX
2006 TSX
1993 Acura Vigor
1991 300ZX
1997 Dodge Dakota
2000 Silverado
2004 Odyssey
2008 Odyssey
2009 Odyssey
2011 Odyssey
2013 Sienna
2015 Sienna
2012 Prius
2015 Prius
1997 ES300
2000 RX300
2005 Civic
2000 Civic SI
2000 Civic SI
2002 Civic SI
2002 Civic SI
2003 Civic SI
2002 RAV4
2007 RAV4
2001 Mazda Protege
1994 LS400
1995 GS300
1992 Tercel
2011 Tiguan
1994 Integra
2005 G35
2011 Hyundai Genesis
2006 Highlander 

tifighter

anony336 said:

1990 Integra
1992 Integra
1993 integra
1993 Civic
1996 Civic
1998 Civic 
1998 Civic
1991 Accord
1993 Accord
1999 Accord
2003 Accord
2004 Accord
2004 Accord
2009 Accord
2013 Accord
2004 Odyssey
2008 Odyssey
2009 Odyssey
2011 Odyssey
2005 Civic
2000 Civic SI
2000 Civic SI
2002 Civic SI
2002 Civic SI
2003 Civic SI

I hope the Honda dealer gave you a watch or something.

stever

Another 1982 Tercel. Do you even remember it @tifighter?

tifighter

Ha! I'm more impressed that you do. '81. Gold, hatchback, base with a 5 speed manual. Toyota was so proud of the extra gear that it wore a chrome '5 Speed' badge on the back. 62 horses of fury.

abacomike

Since you guys are listing your cars, here we go:

1956 Ford Sunliner (u)
1958 Ford Custom 2-door (u)
1964 Rambler American
1965 Chevy Impala SS
1966 Pontiac GTO
1966 Pontiac Grand Prix
1967 Mercury Cougar
1967 Corvette Stingray 427 Fastback 
1967 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible
1968 Pontiac GTO
1969 Pontiac Catalina Coupe
1970 Buick LeSabre 455 Coupe
1971 Chevy Caprice Coupe
1971 Chevy Caprice Station Wagon
1972 Pontiac LeMans Coupe (w)
1972 Datsun 210 Sedan (w)
1972 Pontiac Bonneville Sedan
1973 Chevy Monte Carlo
1973 Volvo 242 2-door (w) DL
1973 Volvo 242 2-door DL
1974 Volvo 244 GL
1974 Triumph TR-6
1974 MGB-GT
1974 Lancia Beta
1975 Pontiac Grand Prix
1975 Pontiac Phoenix 4 door Hatchback
1976 Oldsmobile Delta 88 4 door
1976 Oldsmobile Toronado (gray)
1976 Oldsmobile Toronado (beige)
1977 Oldsmobile 88 Station Wagon
1978 Datsun 300Z
1979 Oldsmobile 88
1980 Honda Accord Hatchback
1980 Honda Accord Hatchback
1981 Honda Accord Sedan
1982 Honda Accord Sedan
1983 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1984 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1985 Audi 5000 S
1986 Audi 5000 CS
1987 Mercedes 190E
1987 Mercefes 300D
1987 Mercedes 300SDL
1988 Porsche 944
1988 Oldsmobile Cutlas Supreme
1988 Mercury Marquis Brougham
1988 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Mustang GT
1990 Ford Taurus
1991 Mercedes 300E
1996 Lexus ES 300
1999 Lexus ES 300
2000 Pontiac Bonneville Sedan
2001 Lexus GS300
2003 Volkswagon Passat V6
2004 Infiniti G35 Sedan
2005 BMW 525i
2006 BMW 530i
2007 BMW 530i
2008 BMW 535i (lemon law)
2008 BMW 535i (replacement)
2008 Mercedes E350
2009 Mercedes E350
2010 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350
2012 Mercedes E350
2013 Lexus GS350
2013 Mercedes E350
2014 Mercedes E350
2014 Mercedes CLS550
2015 Mercedes E400
2016 Mercedes CLS400

I think I got them all! 

tifighter

GTOs and Stingrays, oh my.

And a Lancia Beta. No words. I'm impressed.

anony336

stever said:

Another 1982 Tercel. Do you even remember it @tifighter?

tifighter said:

Ha! I'm more impressed that you do. '81. Gold, hatchback, base with a 5 speed manual. Toyota was so proud of the extra gear that it wore a chrome '5 Speed' badge on the back. 62 horses of fury.

The 82 Tercel was my husband's daily driver when we met. It was a hatchback, manual, SR5 (fancy), with a sunroof. He loved the car but said he could go uphill without a nice breeze behind him. He traded it for the 1989 Celica GTS. 

au1994

abacomike said:

Since you guys are listing your cars, here we go:

1956 Ford Sunliner (u)
1958 Ford Custom 2-door (u)
1964 Rambler American
1965 Chevy Impala SS
1966 Pontiac GTO
1966 Pontiac Grand Prix
1967 Mercury Cougar
1967 Corvette Stingray 427 Fastback 
1967 Pontiac Bonneville Convertible
1968 Pontiac GTO
1969 Pontiac Catalina Coupe
1970 Buick LeSabre 455 Coupe
1971 Chevy Caprice Coupe
1971 Chevy Caprice Station Wagon
1972 Pontiac LeMans Coupe (w)
1972 Datsun 210 Sedan (w)
1972 Pontiac Bonneville Sedan
1973 Chevy Monte Carlo
1973 Volvo 242 2-door (w) DL
1973 Volvo 242 2-door DL
1974 Volvo 244 GL
1974 Triumph TR-6
1974 MGB-GT
1974 Lancia Beta
1975 Pontiac Grand Prix
1975 Pontiac Phoenix 4 door Hatchback
1976 Oldsmobile Delta 88 4 door
1976 Oldsmobile Toronado (gray)
1976 Oldsmobile Toronado (beige)
1977 Oldsmobile 88 Station Wagon
1978 Datsun 300Z
1979 Oldsmobile 88
1980 Honda Accord Hatchback
1980 Honda Accord Hatchback
1981 Honda Accord Sedan
1982 Honda Accord Sedan
1983 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1984 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1985 Audi 5000 S
1986 Audi 5000 CS
1987 Mercedes 190E
1987 Mercefes 300D
1987 Mercedes 300SDL
1988 Porsche 944
1988 Oldsmobile Cutlas Supreme
1988 Mercury Marquis Brougham
1988 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Mustang GT
1990 Ford Taurus
1991 Mercedes 300E
1996 Lexus ES 300
1999 Lexus ES 300
2000 Pontiac Bonneville Sedan
2001 Lexus GS300
2003 Volkswagon Passat V6
2004 Infiniti G35 Sedan
2005 BMW 525i
2006 BMW 530i
2007 BMW 530i
2008 BMW 535i (lemon law)
2008 BMW 535i (replacement)
2008 Mercedes E350
2009 Mercedes E350
2010 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350
2012 Mercedes E350
2013 Lexus GS350
2013 Mercedes E350
2014 Mercedes E350
2014 Mercedes CLS550
2015 Mercedes E400
2016 Mercedes CLS400

I think I got them all! 

Kudos on the list! Would love to hear about the Lancia.

anony336

tifighter said:

1990 Integra
1992 Integra
1993 integra
1993 Civic
1996 Civic
1998 Civic 
1998 Civic
1991 Accord
1993 Accord
1999 Accord
2003 Accord
2004 Accord
2004 Accord
2009 Accord
2013 Accord
2004 Odyssey
2008 Odyssey
2009 Odyssey
2011 Odyssey
2005 Civic
2000 Civic SI
2000 Civic SI
2002 Civic SI
2002 Civic SI
2003 Civic SI

I hope the Honda dealer gave you a watch or something.

I wish. We have shifted in the direction of Toyota's lately. We have a good relationship with a GSM at the one of our local Toyota dealers. He knows we are serious and usually gives us a great deal with no haggling. Just realized I left our 2010 Camry and pair of 87 Corolla FX16 GTS' off of the list. Make that 56 since 1995. 

xwesx

stickguy said:

I've had little bunches followed by slow period. But over last 10 years, probably averages out to around 1 annually.

Also getting senile. My real number is 31. Forgot my last toy, my integra. Oops.

That's what happens when you only keep a car for a few weeks.

abacomike

@au1994:

au1994, it was a dark red (coupe of course) with a stick (of course) and black interior.  I did not like the Lancia.  I drove it do a few months and found a new Datsun 300Z at a dealership.  The owner was Italian and offered me $2200 more than I paid for the Lancia Beta - he was infatuated with it.  Lancia Betas were very, very rare cars.  So he sold me the 300Z for his invoice and I made out like a bandit.

The Lancia Beta did not handle well and has almost no torque.  Very "bouncy" car for a sports car.  My favorite imported sports roadster was the 1974 TR-6.  Leaked oil all the time, but what a car!

abacomike

xwesx said:

I've had little bunches followed by slow period. But over last 10 years, probably averages out to around 1 annually. Also getting senile. My real number is 31. Forgot my last toy, my integra. Oops.

That's what happens when you only keep a car for a few weeks.

LOL! 

xwesx

Those are some truly impressive lists! Mike's is a real piece of automotive history!

fintail

8 W212s, indeed, you got them all

abacomike said:

2010 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350
2012 Mercedes E350
2013 Lexus GS350
2013 Mercedes E350
2014 Mercedes E350
2014 Mercedes CLS550
2015 Mercedes E400
2016 Mercedes CLS400

I think I got them all! 

abacomike

xwesx said:

Those are some truly impressive lists! Mike's is a real piece of automotive history!

If I had a psychiatrist, he/she would disagree.  That list is what kept me from becoming a multi-millionaire! 

coldinohio

great car lists; too few for me...
had a tercel I borrow from my dad- ~1982; no AC; not a very fun car

suydam

It's fun seeing what people on this list chose over the years. If you had to pick your top 5 faves, what would you choose? Some of you have owned so many you may not remember them all!

abacomike

suydam said:

It's fun seeing what people on this list chose over the years. If you had to pick your top 5 faves, what would you choose? Some of you have owned so many you may not remember them all!

My top 5 would be:

1974 Triumph TR-6
1967 Corvette Stingray Fastback 427 4spd
2015 Mercedes E400
1966 Pontiac GTO 4-speed
2016 Mercedes CLS400

ab348

abacomike said:

2011 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350

Why a pair of 2011s, Mike? Did the first one need an oil change?

abacomike

ab348 said:

2011 Mercedes E350
2011 Mercedes E350

Why a pair of 2011s, Mike? Did the first one need an oil change?

The first one was "black"!  After a few months, I hated it.  Always showed water spots, every hairline scratch, etc.  Traded it for silver - much happier.  I'll never again buy a black car! 

stickguy

top 5? Tough decision. And probably not what you would expect!

1991 Mazda 626LX 5 door. Green, MT. Loved that car.
1986 Mazda 323LX. 4 door, MT.
2005 Accord 4 door EXL. MT. Should have kept it, and made my daughter deal with the stick.
2001 Miata. My only sports car or convertible. Too impractical, and I just didn't fit.
1974 Duster. Yellow, 3 speed on the floor. Sunroof. Mostly for the HS memories!

anony336

Top 5.... 

2013 Accord EX sedan w/ manual 
1999 Accord EX sedan w/ manual
2001 Accord EX V6 coupe (make that 57 cars, left this one off the list) 
2012/2015 Prius 
2004 Accord EX sedan w/ manual

Really, it's too tough to call. Out of my list, there have only been a few that I disliked.

just realized I also left Gee's 08 Lexus IS250 w/ manual transmission and his 98 Prelude off my earlier list. 59 cars in 20 years. If I can find one more I let slip through, I will be at 60. 

cdnpinhead

My top five, from an admittedly short list compared to the regulars here:

1. 1973 240-Z (replaced the horrible carbs w/ the earlier SUs)
2. 1965 MGB
3. 1994 Miata R (manual steering, stiff suspension)
4. 2008 Acura TSX -- still driving it
5. 2000 Lincoln LS (with a manual transmission, yet)

xwesx

Hey, top five! That's not too hard since my list is only twelve!

1969 C20 (so practical, so pretty, and surprisingly fun to drive)
1969 Econoline (My "lifer" vehicle, I've had it ~25 years and poured way more blood, sweat, and tears into this thing than any vehicle has a right to receive.)
2008 Subaru Outback (this one was a flip from the start, so we never intended to keep it. As such, we bought an automatic so it would sell faster. But, it also had a rear limited slip diff, and boy was that a fun car to drive!)
2009 Forester
2011 Fiesta

stever

Top one would be the '99 Quest. Purchased on New Year's Eve and 5 months later we had quit our jobs, sold our house and most of our possessions and took off for a year long road trip in it. 32,000 miles later we wound up in Boise and started over.

Sandman6472

Growing up, my folks had some interesting vehicles...which just added to my love for the automobile. Here are some that I remember.

1957 Chrysler Wagon
1958 Chevy Corvette
1960 Cadillac Sedan de Ville
1962 Cadillac Sedan de Ville
1963 Buick Riviera
1964 Cadillac Sedan de Ville
1966 Lincoln Continental
1967 Oldsmobile Toronado
1968 Cadillac Eldorado
1969 Oldsmobile Toronado
1970 Cadillac convertible
1972 Lincoln Continental Coupe
1972 Ford Torino
1975 Pontiac Grand Prix
1977 Pontiac Bonneville
1980 Pontiac Parissiane diesel
1983 Pontiac Parissiane
1986 Mercury Grand Marquis
1990 Mercury Grand Marquis
1994 Mercury Grand Marquis
1998 Mercury Grand Marquis
2002 Mercury Grand Marquis

Seem to remember my dad having some kind of Chrysler when I was born as my grandpa owned a Chrysler store but not sure what type. Just remember a 2 door coupe with fuzzy mouse fur seats but I was quite young then. One thing I couldn't understand that after my dad passed in 1986, my mom stayed with the same vehicle, white with the dark blue 1/2 vinyl roof with that goofy rear tire thing out back. It was so ugly but quite popular in their South Florida golfing community and her best friend's husband sold her each one, but they all looked the same!
Will have to come up with our list eventually but am sure the list won't be as expansive as the rest in here. One of the best things when younger was the way most vehicles were different every year unlike now with these 5 or 6 year models with minimal changes. Guess things got to be a bit different in the mid '80's or so. Personally, I prefer the old days when models changed from year to year...much more exciting!!

The Sandman

corvette

I think abaco wins the award for most interesting car history.

houdini1

Looking at all these lists reminds me of the old guy who said that over the years he had spent most of his money on cars, women, and liquor......and just wasted the rest of it.

rayainsw

'5. 2000 Lincoln LS (with a manual transmission, yet) '
one of - what - 17 sold?
- Ray
Mine had the 5-speed automatics...

kyfdx

tifighter said:

Ha! I'm more impressed that you do. '81. Gold, hatchback, base with a 5 speed manual. Toyota was so proud of the extra gear that it wore a chrome '5 Speed' badge on the back. 62 horses of fury.

Funny... my '82 Accord also had the "5-speed" emblem.

It was a big deal, considering my two vehicles before that had a 3-speed and a 4-speed stick.

kyfdx

Top 5?

Mostly because they were different or interesting..

In order of acquisition

'76 Jeep CJ=5
'67 BMW 2000CS
'84 Porsche 911 Targa
'88 Mazda 323 GTX
'06 BMW 330Ci ZHP (daily driver for the last 5+ years)

But, the best car was the '82 Accord hatch.

nyccarguy

Prelude is my favorite of all the cars I've ever owned, followed by the 2000 Saab 9-3

nyccarguy

I got a letter in the mail from a local Acura dealer saying "come in for special manager inside deals" Wink Wink, nudge, nudge. Now I'm sticking to my financially conservative automotive finance plan (pay off Pilot, start doubling up on Legacy payments). But that doesn't stop me from looking. I started looking at MDXs at one particular dealership and ran some interesting numbers. What would you do if you were presented with the following:

2016 Acura MDX w/ SH AWD & Tech Pkg: MSRP $49,440 - Invoice $46,768

Assuming the selling price is at least invoice, do you buy it and finance at $840 per month (ball park with interest) for 60 months or do you lease it for 36 months/15K per year at $579.55 per month?

CPO 2015 MDX w/ SH AWD & Tech Pkg: $43,995 asking price. Say you get them to knock $2K off that and your selling price is $41,995. The car has 12,271 Miles. Finance at about $750 - $760 per month.

CPO 2014 MDX w/ SH AWD & Technology Pkg: $35,995 asking price. Say you get them to knock $3K off that price and your purchase price is $33,995. The car has 42,745 Miles. Finance at about $610 per month.

Which MDX do you go for and why?

corvette

Lease the 2016 with $0 down. That's the least expensive way to get the best three years of its life.

qbrozen

oh boy, top 5... good question.

Interesting that both kyfdx and I have a CJ on our lists. This is really tough. The top 3 are standouts (although the CJ more for nostalgia than anything else), but then I've got 4 in mind for the remaining 2 spots. Surprisingly, the 135 doesn't make the list only because, as badass as that was on the track, the unreliability really kills the memory of it. So I'm listing 7 in the order I feel like this moment.

1. Caddy CTS Vsport (I mean, why else would I have it right now?)
2. '98 S70 T5 (auto)
3. '78 CJ7 (6-cyl 3-spd)
4. '07 GTI (6-spd)
5. '04 350Z (6-spd)
6. '97 Dakota v8 (auto)
7. '87 4runner (4-cyl [22RE] 5-spd)

sda

Favorites:

1. 13 Accord EX--all around good car, easy everyday driver, enjoyable even when driven hard. Am I getting old?
2. 95 Jetta GLX VR-6, 5sp. Fun ride, black, BBS, smooth willing engine but my 00 GLX VR-6 was actually a better car
3. 92 Mazda Miata--always a pleasure to zoom around in, top down of course
4. 96 Mazda Millenia, my first real splurge, good looking in black with tan interior, a pleasure to drive
5. 70 DeVille convertible. In a league of its own. Though not fast in today's world, the old girl would lift up her fender skirts and scoot when pressed. A light moan from the engine and the exhaust swishing as it quietly speed up to speed as the gas gauge would dive for E.

Honorable mention:
7. 76 Pontiac Sunbird coupe. V6, 5sp, a/c, luxury interior, sport wheels. It faithfully provided service for my college years and first years in the work world. I always took good care of it and kind of wish I had it today.
8. 65 Olds Cutlass 2dr hardtop. Though I bought it to flip, I really liked that car.

Sandman6472

Agree with the '70 DeVille drop top. Ours was white top over light blue and my dad and 3 of his golfing buddies got a good deal from an Orlando dealership and they purchased the 4 of them in different colors. Though I liked the white over white best, the folks liked the white over light blue. Remember the day we went over to the club to get it, a warm April morning and the first ting we did was put the top down. Great vehicle and was used in the homecoming parade and football game in '71 and '72...the school asked my folks if they could use it as the Grand Marshall's ride and my older brother did the driving the first year and I did it the second.
Perfect vehicle for South Florida living and we kids used it with the top down more than our folks did. Wish we had it now really but having a sunroof will do.

The Sandman

ab348

My top 5 list is pretty easy. I'm using the criteria of which 5 I would want to still have today, assuming I had the space to keep them. These are not in preferential order; n fact they are in reverse preference from #5 to #1 :

1977 LeMans 2-door
1985 MR2
1990 GTI
1968 Cutlass 2-door
2014 Cadillac ATS

I would give an honorable mention to the '02 Intrigue. 6 years of mostly trouble-free service, lots of room, great visibility, and a lovely engine. A shame that car didn't get updated and the engine continue to be developed by GM. If it had, I'd probably have a newer version and it would probably take the place of the ATS on this list just for the extra room.

Sandman6472

Just got back from getting the Audi a bath and sat in a gray over gray S3 in the showroom. Beautiful vehicle and loved the detail of the interior especially the seats. What a really nice vehicle. They had a slightly used 2016 A3, white over black like ours, asking price $30,000. Think it had about 1500 on the clock and the price was an end of the month special according to the windshield. Audi makes a fine product.
Also stopped by the VW store to price out a few accessories I'd like. A few dollars more at the dealer as compared to the online site but if I get them at the dealer and there's a mistake, they take care of it. If I screw up the article number or something else, I have to deal with the returns/refunds, whatever. Sometimes it's just best to pay a little extra to get things right. Then I'd need to get the dealer to install what I pick up. But the few things I might get just make the vehicle nicer looking cosmetically. A want and not really a need here.

The Sandman

kyfdx

sda said:

Favorites:

1. 13 Accord EX--all around good car, easy everyday driver, enjoyable even when driven hard. Am I getting old?
2. 95 Jetta GLX VR-6, 5sp. Fun ride, black, BBS, smooth willing engine but my 00 GLX VR-6 was actually a better car
3. 92 Mazda Miata--always a pleasure to zoom around in, top down of course
4. 96 Mazda Millenia, my first real splurge, good looking in black with tan interior, a pleasure to drive
5. 70 DeVille convertible. In a league of its own. Though not fast in today's world, the old girl would lift up her fender skirts and scoot when pressed. A light moan from the engine and the exhaust swishing as it quietly speed up to speed as the gas gauge would dive for E.

Honorable mention:
7. 76 Pontiac Sunbird coupe. V6, 5sp, a/c, luxury interior, sport wheels. It faithfully provided service for my college years and first years in the work world. I always took good care of it and kind of wish I had it today.
8. 65 Olds Cutlass 2dr hardtop. Though I bought it to flip, I really liked that car.

'95 GLX VR6. Drove one of those, once. Really nice, but had torque steer like a Saab Turbo.... whhheeeeeee!!!!!

tommister2

What accessories are you thinking about?