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@Michaell - I don’t think the $2,300 for that 60K service is THAT bad. I don’t have anywhere near the mechanical aptitude of @xwesx or @qbrozen. I’m sure the spark plugs on your H6 engine isn’t an easy job. I’ve paid $350 per axle for new pads & rotors. The serpentine belt is $120 parts & labor?
Next time it is due for replacement, you can do the air filter & cabin filter yourself. It is easy.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
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2015 Subaru Outback 3.6R / 2024 Kia Sportage Hybrid SX Prestige
Dealerships do overcharge grossly for brake jobs, though, too.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
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And, it has shift paddles on the steering wheel.
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Yup. Dad had the same H6/CVT setup in his Legacy. They started that with the 2015 design.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
There was a refresh a couple of years ago, and the new platform is much more comfortable than the one my stepdaughter has. I've driven a couple as loaners, and it's night and day difference.
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2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
Confirm instructions are accurate I just did mine.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Just to clarify, that means click signature settings. Changing the signature line on that first page in profile does nothing. Go figure.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
at least my cabin one is still easy. The last RDX was a normal air filter (pop 2 clips on the box and lift the lid to get the filter out). I will still do this one at some point, but would have to watch the youtube video again. Or be lazy and see how much they want for the job at the next oil change!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Even the engine air filter requires a little extra finagling. Typical...
You should have seen what an ordeal the battery change was. Once again, nope!
2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Limited Velvet Red over Wicker Beige
2024 Audi Q5 Premium Plus Daytona Gray over Beige
2017 BMW X1 Jet Black over Mocha
my favorite was when a car was dead, so you could not move the power seat to get access to the battery, or even get to the bolts to remove the seat.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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Most cars I’ve owned have been very easy for filter replacement with two exceptions.
The 2003 Avalon needed some dash disassembly and dropping the glove compartment to get to the cabin filter.
The 2015 and 2017 Enclaves the air filter required some torx bits and a good bit of the intake plumbing to be removed in order to do the air filter.
Neither of them were particularly difficult to do, but I wouldn’t say in scope for the vast majority of owners.
On the subject… I successfully poured one gallon of washer fluid into the truck last night without incident… so there’s that
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Interesting IIHS safety pick article
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/here-are-all-the-cars-that-just-lost-their-iihs-top-safety-pick-top-safety-pick-plus-ratings.html/?utm_source=marketo&utm_medium=email&utm_account=edmunds_insider&utm_targetid=9a146020-b189-11e4-84ef-0ab87879bbdd&utm_campaign=editorial_newsletter&utm_term=2022_03_01_editorial_newsletter&utm_adgroup=11042&utm_content=module_2&mkt_tok=NDYxLU5NSi01OTgAAAGKPO0tsFzlE84gGfz1lFNZPrnfDPYcU4uQThZPXer38YWhEJP894eBW49VMuTlMAAcH4JsMppkce9tg0pvuqiumzBIjkSHY5iQcVPEvrAaxYec
I think most here know of the “flat rate”. When a mechanic does a job at a dealership, the customer is charged and the mechanic is paid according to a “flat rate manual”. A brake job on a particular automobile may pay 3 hours for instance. If the mechanic can do that job in 1.5 hours, then he is making twice his nominal pay rate. Brake jobs are some of the easiest work that a dealership mechanic will perform, and they can almost always easily beat the flat rate. Hence there is intense competition for those jobs, and a lot of ill feelings if it is perceived that the service manager is giving the easy jobs to one of his cronies (or worse, relative or in-law).
Changing filters is so easy that work is usually given to some youngster who isn’t yet a real mechanic, and is being paid a flat weekly sum instead of by the flat rate manual.
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Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Years ago when I was a working stiff a guy kept forgetting to add washer fluid to his wife’s car that she kept asking him to do for weeks. So, one day she took matters into her own hands and found a way to pop the hood then poured about a gallon of washer fluid into the coolant over flow bottle which had to be low for that to happen. Anyway, she was so proud of herself that when the guy got home she had to show him her handy work. Needless to say he had a conniption and promptly did a coolant system flush. Luckily he never had a problem from that and felt it might have even helped clean out the system better than a typical home owner drain and flush method.
I’d never have that problem with Mrs. j since she’d have absolutely no clue how to pop the hood and I like it that way.
FWIW, back in the 70’s and 80’s Prestone sold a flush kit where you installed a heavy plastic T into the heater hose line permanently then you’d remove the cap from the T and screw on the garden hose. That back flushed the system. They even provided the hose clamps for the T and a plastic piece to snap into the radiator fill opening shaped like an L to direct the water away so it didn’t just flow out of the top of the radiator and fall wherever it fell. Worked like a champ.
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'18 Legacy Limited with 3.6R (Mrs. j's)
Ford and GM shut down pickup truck production (each for a different reason)
https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a43100897/ford-gm-pickup-truck-production-shutdown/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=030123&utm_campaign=nl30696922&user_email=aa8fb836422a392012af3c9116972e4ed85fd20fd898fd1602bc92f77eeabc60&GID=aa8fb836422a392012af3c9116972e4ed85fd20fd898fd1602bc92f77eeabc60&utm_term=AAA -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I didn’t write the headline😂
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
You know it's a good car when Harry laughs and smiles while driving it and he did that here. It really seems appealing, especially those red seats (too bad they couldn't have found a few yards of the same upholstery to make the back seats match the front). The lack of an automatic transmission limits its appeal to people like me with knee issues but otherwise it seems like a hoot to drive. A shame it is so expensive though.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
but pricey!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/MC-10111091-9999.pdf
2021 VW Arteon SEL 4-motion, 2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech
The Wizard has videos on which models never to buy and one of them was the Northstars. Then he went out and bought one for himself. He had to pull the engine to fix the oil pan and the head bolts.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.