I own a 06 TDI Jetta. Best car I have owned. I have read many of theposts and like the people here. Question: Where is the oil filter and the fuel filter. Also where is the EGR value. Pictures would be helpful.
Hi all, I am new to this forum, so please forgive my ignorance if you have already addressed this issue. I have a 2006 Jetta TDI. Lately I am having trouble shifting from 1st to 2nd gear. Downshifting from third is not as much of a problem. I have pretty high mileage --> 80K. I am conscious of depressing clutch fully and all that. Any thoughts or similar experiences out there? Thanks in advance for your help and advice. Chriss
The dealership here in Winston-Salem, NC got its demo TDI sedan in yesterday. It has been prepped for test drives and is on the lot today. Haven't driven it yet, but I'm on the list. Sticker price $22440 + 1100 for DSG tranny + 650 destination fee = $24190, plus TTL. EPA sticker says 29city/40hwy with auto.
This is a very basic model, no sunroof. It has vinyl upholstery, essentially same trim as the SE gasser. Does include 6-CD changer, upgraded stereo, aux input. "Winter package" is standard (heated mirrors, WW, and front seats). Along with the usual full complement of airbags, ABS, ASR, etc. it has ESP. 16" alloys standard, leather steering wheel, shift knob and brake handle.
I don't think you can get climate control, even as an option on the TDI (what are you guys in Germany thinking?) Looking forward to the drive.
Someone has posted on the EPA site that they are getting 46 MPG combined with a new Jetta Sportwagon TDI automatic. I did not know they were even being sold yet. Is it a dealer demo? Anyone take delivery of a Sportwagon TDI? If that is a TRUE mileage figure the EPA is off by 29%.
That would work out to what I am getting with my '02 tdi with a 5speed manual transmission. 46mpg/US gallon= 57.5/Imp gallon.
IF this is a 6speed DSG,I think it is very possible. The DSG has no torque converter,and therefore no heat losses due to viscous action. I know someone that has a '03 tdi wagon with an automatic and his RPM in top gear is 1800@100kph. Mine in top gear was (5th) is 2200RPM@100kph
Also keep in mind the EPA has changed the way they figure MPG. Now it has to be done at something like 80MPH with the AC running and all to simulate "actual driving conditions". So, assuming this person isn't driving like that, it's possible. I average 49-50 mixed in my '05 Jetta.
Apologies for not getting back to jkinzel, elias and all y'all sooner. I'm not going to go for my test drive of the 09 TDI demo car until Tuesday (1 July) afternoon, so nothing to report there yet. But a little more info and corrections to my previous post (1833) above.
The numbers I gave ($22,440 + 1100 for DSG auto + 650 dest =$24190 +TTL) are correct, but are slightly different than for the Base TDI expected for sale later. This demo car is called a "Loyal Edition" at the top of the window sticker, and includes several things that might end up being separate options on cars shipped later. For example, it has the "multi-function steering wheel" buttons, a silly little trunk-lid "lip spoiler" similar to the one found on Honda Civic Hybrids, a single 115-volt AC electrical outlet (plus 2 other 12-volt DC outlets), and a sunroof ( I was mistaken on my first post, it was dark out when I glanced at the car).
All of these items would normally be separate options or part of a package on the SE or SEL trim gassers. But the TDI is listed on line as its own trim level, rather than as an engine option. More later.
On the "climate-control" issue, Volkswagen literature has become quite opaque as to what they mean when they use this terminology. Seven or eight years ago, if a car maker (BMW, Mercedes, Acura whatever) said "Climate-Control", it was implicit that this meant a full automatic mode with a thermostat (or two) like we all have in our homes. Of late, Volkswagen has started branding all its air conditioners "Climatic" whether they are automatic or manual. Furthermore, even their manual air conditioners are referred to as 'climate control units' , the same way my old Boy Scout canteen would know be sold by some as a 'personal hydration system' . So some of their 'climate control' units really are just manual units with hot air/cool air mixing dials, not thermostats, not automatic anything. You just about have to get in the car and turn it on and fiddle with the knobs to know what you are getting unless the word 'automatic' appears on the sticker. I can tell you this about the TDI Demo Sedan which I have seen, but not driven: There is no button on the A/C controls that says 'Auto'. Both my '02 Merc 230 Kompressor and my '06 Accord EX-L have such buttons. So for now I'm still a skeptic about what VW has in the TDI. By the way, how do you get the 'Das Auto' magazine?
This should be a real clue that they will remain like "climate-control units of old". There are performance issues as to why they cool less than "refrigerator cool". It is probably beyond the scope of this topic site. The best A/C that has chilled me the best @ 104 degrees ambient has been the Chevrolet Z06 Corvette's.
After reviewing the VW website, here is what I understand their A/C offerings to be:
1: 'Manual single-zone climate control' is branded as "Climatic"
2: 'Automatic dual-zone climate control' is branded as "Climatronic"
This is very cheesy double-speak to trick people into thinking that number 1 above is something special rather than the same old A/C we all had 10 years ago: No thermostat, just warm/cold air mixing.
Number 2 above is what most people think of as real climate control. So look for the word 'automatic' if you want the real thing from VW. I don't think it is even an option on the TDI; the SEL gasser has it standard.
Obie, you get single zone climate there (climatic). The numbers on the temp knob are real, not to fake you out. I leave the knob around 70, when it's cold in the morning it blows warm air. Hot in the afternoon, the A/C is cold. That's automatic enough for me.
I hope you're right . I'll try it out Tuesday when I test drive. It still seems strange though that on the VW web site Climatic is described as 'manual' while Climatronic is described as automatic. If the only difference is single or dual-zone, why call only one of them automatic?
It's probably not a deal-breaker for me either way on the TDI. I gotta say though, I've gotten kind of hooked on the dual-zone auto c/c I've had on my last two cars. It's nice when two folks are in the car, one warm-natured, the other not so much. One hates to go backward, but mpg and fuel costs are my prime criteria on the next car.
obie. i got the das auto magazine subscription by doubling-down and purchasing a couple of 06 TDIs, NB with manual A/C control and DSG, and jetta with package-2 / dual-zone-climatozoic and manual-transmission.
I prefer manual heat/AC controls to the automagic ones.
The "Climatronic" system which has been available on VW and Audi for over 10 years has always been an "automatic" system.
In my opinion (And some other folks I have talked to)... the "automatic" climate systems on cars are a pretty stupud idea. The inside of a car can be as high as 100F or below -20F when you start the engine... the "automatic" systems will automaticcally go into FULL FORCE mode trying to maintin your preset temparture. Who wants all that fan noise?
If the engine is not going to even be warmed up for 30 minutes in the winter.... the stupid automatic system keeps blowing cold air at full force.
I would MUCH prefer to be in full control of a manual system. I want to chose the fanspeed, recirculate and other settings myself. I know when I am uncomfortable and can set the knobs myself.
BTW: My Jetta TDI gets over 55MPG with 3 passengers, 90F outside and the AC on.... while driving for over 9 hours. I dont beleive there is any other vehicle available in USA that even comes close. (such as a hybred)
I agree about the annoyance, but you don't need to use the full AUTO setting (that kicks the fan up to high), just to have it be thermostatic climate control (at least not on my passat). Just tap the fan down a couple notches, and it will stay that way the next time you start up.
The 03 VW Jetta TDI GL has the "manual A/C system". I have always preferred manual to the "automatic" A/C systems, I have had in other cars and for a long time, 14 years.
Well, I finally got my test drive of the TDI sedan today, and it was quite enjoyable, but not terribly long. The demos shipped early to dealers seem to all be equipped with the 6-speed DSG transmission, as opposed to the six-speed manual that will be available as the base model TDI in August. Therefor I can't compare the two, but I can say it is a quicker, smoother shifting tranny than the standard Tiptronic auto on the 2.5 Jetta and most other VW's. If you have ever tested a 2.0T gasser in some VWs or an Audi, you may already have driven a DSG transmission. I think it's great. I love a straight drive, but find them tedious in stop/go traffic. But if you still prefer a regular clutch and stick model, you'll save $1100 without the DSG. But I don't think you can shift more quickly than the DSG.
As for power/acceleration, the 2.0 TDI is vastly superior and much more fun to drive than the 1.9 liter diesel featured on the Jettas in '05 and '06. Great passing and hill power, perfectly adequate acceleration for all conceivable normal driving situations. Needless to say, you won't be winning many 1/4 milers against gassers of equivalent or greater displacement, but the torque sure gives a thrill. I can't offer you a 0-60 time, but I suspect it is under 9 seconds, significantly better than the 1.9 was. You can definitely feel the 40 extra HP (50 more, if compared to earlier 1.9s) and the additional torque over previous TDI Jettas.
If you owned or drove one of the rare Passat 2.0 TDIs from late 2005, you will have appreciated the difference in the performance over a 1.9. With the similar 2.0 engine matched to the smaller, lighter Jetta, the improved power:weight ratio makes it feel even better than it did in the Passat.
I found the seating to be quite comfortable ( but again, it was a short ride). Both front seats have manually adjustable height and lumbar support. Seat back angle on the driver side is the only power adjustment. The upholstery appears to be high quality perforated vinyl. Front seats are adjustably heated for wintertime.
The air conditioning is manual--you turn on the fan and adjust the speed by a four position knob. The temperature control is a continuously adjustable knob from "65" to "80", but is not what I would call climate control of any kind. Still, it cooled more than adequately on a day in the upper 80s. I didn't fiddle with the radio much, but it comes with a three-month free subscription to Sirius satellite, and has a 6-CD changer plus aux input. Volume, mode and channel can be controlled from the steering wheel, which I consider a big safety feature
In addition to the 3yr/36,000 bumper to bumper and 5/60,000 power-train warranties, routine maintenance as scheduled in the owner's manual is covered for 3yrs/36,000 miles.
Overall I found the car to drive and handle in a very satisfying manner, feeling more German (good road feel) than Japanese (like my Accord, which is a great car). I know this mini-review will not be adequate for the more technically inclined among you--I'm not an engineer or a motor-head. That's why I rely on the rest of you guys to explain the finer points. But I highly recommend getting behind the wheel yourself and sharing your experience. I think this car has great potential.
I, too, test drove the Jetta TDI Sedan that my local dealer had on the lot. He's had it for about a week and we took it for about a 15 minute test drive. The first thing I noticed was the quiet nature of the engine. The ride was smooth and the road noise inside the car was minimal. I'd never driven a VW before, much less a TDI, and I couldn't believe the torque and the power it had. It was also a step or two (or three) above the Honda Civic in feel of quality. It just felt like you were in a better environment (i.e. interior quality).
I would second every point that obie made about the car as I very much enjoyed driving it. I particularly enjoyed the fact that I could essentially choose between a manual and an automatic. In the "D" position, you can slide the shifter to the right and have access to all six gears and drive it like a manual.
I did notice one thing that I found interesting. When you let off the accelerator of a gasoline-engine, the car slows (of course). When I let off the accelerator of the TDI, the car slowed more quickly than my gas cars do. I'm guessing that the transmission gear ratios are different, perhaps.
I'm interested in buying myself a Jetta TDI SportWagon and I'm waiting to hear from the local dealer about when I can order one. I don't want to plunk down a deposit on a car that doesn't exist or that is not what I want. He says that I can order one now, but I'm waiting to hear from him about what that means. It could mean anything from "leave me $1000 ... I'll get back to you when a car comes in, and you can take it or leave it" to "$1000 guarantees the car you want, the color, and the options."
I saw a gasoline version of the Jetta SportWagon on the lot and we took a look at it. It has a panoramic sunroof. The vast majority of the car's ceiling is glass! Some might love that, but I found it distracting. The cover wasn't completely opaque, so no matter what, I found myself driving with the sun in my eyes and it was very uncomfortable. I'd rather have a traditional sunroof, but I am not sure that is available on the SportWagon. So, if I can get a SportWagon TDI without a sunroof, I'll be very happy.
I'm hoping that these new generation diesels will be a step above those of the past. Like, obie, I highly recommend that you take a test drive at your dealership. Even at MSRP, and even with the diesel prices, you'll save money on the long run over most gasoline-engine cars (at least according to my calculations!)
I took the demo out on Monday. The dealer was well informed on the new model. He confirmed mid to late August availability with details available in 2 weeks. The first allocation will be all DSG equipped @ $24,190 like posted previously. I found the power to be more than adequate. The engine was very quite. I listened with the hood open and couldn't really tell it was a diesel. Inside I noticed the air conditioning fan more than engine noise. The trip computer displayed 33.5 MPG average. Not bad considering this car had less than 200 miles on it and the demo miles are probably mostly city.
I placed a refundable deposit to take 10th place on the waiting list. I'm hedging my bet to hold a place in line while waiting for more reviews and actual mileage numbers to be posted. I'm expecting this model to be very popular if actual mileage numbers are 15%-20% than EPA rating.
"I believe the increased slowing of the TDI over the gas engine is because of the higher compression ratio of the diesel. "
Actually, diesel engines have much LESS decelleration than a gasoline engine. I know that the increased compression would make one think there would be more decelleration.... but that is not the key factor here.
A diesel engine DOES NOT HAVE A THROTTLEBODY because the engine speed is controled solely by how much fuel is injected.
A gasoline engine has a "butterfly valve" in the throttlebody and when it is closed (idle) the engine has to work very hard to "suck" againsed it. This causes the decelleration of a gasoline engine.
This difference is also one of the 2 main reasons that a diesel engine has much better econemy than a gasoline engine. The diesel is allowed to "breathe" as much air as it wants at all times while the gasoline engine is constantly "choked" with the throttleplate.
I will let the readers think about what the second main reason a diesel engine has better econemy than a gasser... 8-)
My theory was a quick assumption on my part. All of my diesel experience has been on tug boats over the past 35 years.
When I test drove a Jetta TDI about 18 months ago the first time I let off the throttle I was amazed at how quick the deceleration was and I just assumed and we all know what “assume” means.
I was amazed at how quick the deceleration was and I just assumed
When I test drove the GL320 CDI I noticed that quick deceleration when I would take my foot off the accelerator. It sounded to me like the transmission was down shifting. I mentioned it to the salesman. It was his first ride in a diesel Mercedes and did not have a clue. I like to let my foot off the accelerator and coast as far as possible to a stop. Sounds like I need to do more test driving with the TDI. My Passat TDI with TipTronic did not act like that.
It is wicked quiet, isn't it? And certainly quick enough for any reasonable driving, don't you think?.
I'm pretty confident you can easily get the Sportwagen without the Sunroof. Interesting point you make about the non-opaque sunroof cover. I've noticed that in the new MINI and wondered if it would bother me. I had an '02 Mercedes 230 sports coupe which had one of the first 'panoramic' sunroofs, but it had a traditional solid cover for the front portion, where the driver would be affected.
As for the TDI slowing more quickly when you let up on the pedal than on traditional automatics, I think this is because on the DSG transmission there is no hydraulic torque converter, but rather a real clutch plate (two actually) that engages the engine to the transmission. There's just no clutch pedal, as a 'traditional' manual would have. So when you let up on the accelerator in the DSG, you experience some engine braking effect, just as you would 'coasting' to a stop if you didn't depress the clutch pedal in a regular straight drive. At least that's my theory. Anyone one out there who understands it better, please feel free to correct me.
I'm still contemplating whether this should be the next car for me. Very tempting.
bpeebles-- The second reason for diesel economy, um, something to do with diesel fuel containing more chemical energy gram for gram (or liter for liter?) than gasoline?
Three reasons why diesels produce higher mpg than gasoline engines.
1. On combustion diesel fuel and gasoline release the same amount of heat per unit weight, but diesel fuel is about 15 % denser than gasoline. That is, a gallon or a liter, of diesel weighs 15 % more than the same volume of gasoline. As a result, combustion of diesel fuel yields 15 % more heat energy per gallon or liter than gasoline does.
2. Compared to a gasoline engine of equal maximum power output, a diesel engine is more efficient than the gasoline engine at converting a given amount of heat into mechanical power. The higher compression and expansion ratio of the diesel gives it a "thermodynamic" advantage in converting heat to mechanical work; diesel engine exhaust gasses are much cooler than than gasoline engine exhaust. Also the lack of a throttle for the airflow in the diesel means that the "puming losses" are much less for a diesel than for a gasoline engine.
3. In the past in the US, auto manufacturers selected engine size to satisfy consumer demand for stunning performance and not for highest efficiency. Gasoline engines are so large in maximum rated power output, that they are loafing along when they are pushing a car, minivan or SUV along at 70 mph on level ground. A smaller gasoline engine would be more efficient.
A given vehicle will get better efficiency with a smaller V8 or a V6 or I6 than with a monster V8.
The diesel engines offered as alternatives to the gasoline engines were usually lower in max power than even the lowest gasoline engine. As a result the 0 - 60 mph time of the diesel was usually longer than even the smallest gasoline engine offered for that model of vehicle. But at highway cruising speed or driven carefully in the city the smaller size of the diesel contributed to higher mpg.
I sold the Passat Wagon TDI. I loved driving the VW TDI. Getting in and out was a bit hard on my back as is all sedans including my wife's LS400. It also had too little ground clearance for my use of a car. I do not like worrying about driving on dirt roads. In retrospect I could have kept it another year and still made money selling it. I took the first person that came up with the cash. I made $3000 after owning it for 13 months and a little over 8000 miles. Based on the calls I had I believe I could have made $5000. When I bought it diesel was expensive compared to gas. I bought it from a VW dealer in Portland OR under invoice. I licensed it to my residence in Alaska. So that was only $35 for the time I owned it. Based on Edmund's TMV they are selling Certified for as much as I paid new in April 2005. Not many 3 year old cars can make that claim.
I am hoping the Sportwagon TDI will have better ground clearance and ease of entry. My real choice would be the Touareg with a V6 TDI. There are several Diesel SUVs coming to America over the next year. I will be checking them all out. I like my Sequoia. It is just too thirsty to keep long term. Just an interim vehicle until I find something I really like. If the NAV and Stereo was any good I would live with the 15 MPG.
I think the Jetta TDIs are all being built in Mexico. The article says they were all for EU delivery. That was close though. And they are blaming it on global warming... :sick:
nwjeffor, probably depends how adept you are with the manual shift. with the right gear ratios like those from VW, a decent manual-shift driver can always exceed automatic mpg - 5% to 10% maybe. happy Independence Day , USA !
Actually, the DSG xmission is VERY good at squeezing MPG out of the drivetrain. Lets not forget that DSG is NOT an automatic xmission.... it is better described as an "automatically-shifted-manual-xmission". The DSG xmission is a totally-different concept than the "automatic" xmission design used for 40+ years.
Dont take my word for it, do some research for yourself and learn more about how the DSG xmission has 2 totally seperate internal gearboxes with dual clutches which alternate the power-input nearly instantaniously.
Real-world MPG numbers (and the window-sticker MPG) reflect the fact that DSG-equiped vehicles are rated HIGHER MPG than equivalant manual-equiped.
A person would have to be flawless at using a clutch/shifter to match what a DSG can acheive. (and I said MATCH... not be better!)
I preferred manual transmissions over automatics for 44 years until arthritis made shifting into 3rd and 5th too painful. The DSG in our '06 Jetta TDI is much different from the slush boxes of old, and is more crisp than the Tiptronic in our '04 Passat TDI. After 2 years driving the DSG, my preference for manual transmissions has been laid to rest. When I do want to control the gears manually, the DSG shifts quicker and smoother than I ever could when using a clutch and gear shift lever. And the way it downshifts at just the right time and does not upshift at the wrong time is just plain erie. Having the DSG seem to read my mind took some getting used to.
I'm not sure the SportWagen will have the clearance you need for some of Alaska's roads especially in mud season. Of course, Honda is talking about a diesel CRV, Subaru about a diesel Outback. But I'm tired of talk. There will always be something better later, but I think the TDI, wagon or sedan, is the one for me, for now. But I'm not lucky enough to live in Alaska.
Oh, I forgot, the TIGUAN is scheduled to get the 2.0TDI next, we just don't know exactly when yet. Possibly in the spring as a '10. That may handle the ground clearance issue. It probably handles much differently than the Sportwagen on pavement though.
I was going to wait on the Tiguan as well, but the pricing seems to be through the roof on the gas models.....assume it will be a tad higher for the TDI.
I think the DSG is terrific as well but my only concern is reliability. I've heard there's some expensive service required and I can only imagine what it would cost to replace down the road.....the prior slushbox wasn't a cheap proposition.
I kind of figured the Tiguan or a Touareg with the V6 would be more to my liking. I will take the Sportwagon for a test drive when my dealer gets one. Right now I have plenty of vehicles. I keep waiting for my wife's 1990 LS400 to die hard so I can get rid of it. It is like the Energizer bunny and keeps running good. So the garage is full. Tough life.
PS I am in San Diego. Retired after working 37 years in Alaska. I only go up to visit my son and his family.
It is my understanding the delay in getting the TDI Jettas to market here in the US, comes from having to revamp the diesel technology to meet the 50 state emissions standards now in place.
Does anyone know if the '09 is approved for sale in Mass? There are very few options for us here so that would be great if more are going to be available. Thanks!
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http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q_how_to/a5/oil_change.htm
Fuel Filter:
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q_how_to/a5/fuel_filter.htm
EGR Valve, maybe:
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/egr.htm#where
Thanks in advance for your help and advice.
Chriss
Did you have any work done on your brake-system lately? (The brake-fluid is shared with the clutch.)
-Cj
This is a very basic model, no sunroof. It has vinyl upholstery, essentially same trim as the SE gasser. Does include 6-CD changer, upgraded stereo, aux input. "Winter package" is standard (heated mirrors, WW, and front seats). Along with the usual full complement of airbags, ABS, ASR, etc. it has ESP. 16" alloys standard, leather steering wheel, shift knob and brake handle.
I don't think you can get climate control, even as an option on the TDI (what are you guys in Germany thinking?) Looking forward to the drive.
Let us know how the test drive goes.
We are thinking about the TDI SportWagon for our next car, it will replace a 1993 Explorer.
IF this is a 6speed DSG,I think it is very possible. The DSG has no torque converter,and therefore no heat losses due to viscous action. I know someone that has a '03 tdi wagon with an automatic and his RPM in top gear is 1800@100kph. Mine in top gear was (5th) is 2200RPM@100kph
That 400RPM would make quite a difference!
Diesel Fitter
The numbers I gave ($22,440 + 1100 for DSG auto + 650 dest =$24190 +TTL) are correct, but are slightly different than for the Base TDI expected for sale later. This demo car is called a "Loyal Edition" at the top of the window sticker, and includes several things that might end up being separate options on cars shipped later. For example, it has the "multi-function steering wheel" buttons, a silly little trunk-lid "lip spoiler" similar to the one found on Honda Civic Hybrids, a single 115-volt AC electrical outlet (plus 2 other 12-volt DC outlets), and a sunroof ( I was mistaken on my first post, it was dark out when I glanced at the car).
All of these items would normally be separate options or part of a package on the SE or SEL trim gassers. But the TDI is listed on line as its own trim level, rather than as an engine option. More later.
Of late, Volkswagen has started branding all its air conditioners "Climatic" whether they are automatic or manual. Furthermore, even their manual air conditioners are referred to as 'climate control units' , the same way my old Boy Scout canteen would know be sold by some as a 'personal hydration system' . So some of their 'climate control' units really are just manual units with hot air/cool air mixing dials, not thermostats, not automatic anything. You just about have to get in the car and turn it on and fiddle with the knobs to know what you are getting unless the word 'automatic' appears on the sticker. I can tell you this about the TDI Demo Sedan which I have seen, but not driven: There is no button on the A/C controls that says 'Auto'.
Both my '02 Merc 230 Kompressor and my '06 Accord EX-L have such buttons. So for now I'm still a skeptic about what VW has in the TDI. By the way, how do you get the 'Das Auto' magazine?
1: 'Manual single-zone climate control' is branded as "Climatic"
2: 'Automatic dual-zone climate control' is branded as "Climatronic"
This is very cheesy double-speak to trick people into thinking that number 1 above is something special rather than the same old A/C we all had 10 years ago: No thermostat, just warm/cold air mixing.
Number 2 above is what most people think of as real climate control. So look for the word 'automatic' if you want the real thing from VW. I don't think it is even an option on the TDI; the SEL gasser has it standard.
It's probably not a deal-breaker for me either way on the TDI. I gotta say though, I've gotten kind of hooked on the dual-zone auto c/c I've had on my last two cars. It's nice when two folks are in the car, one warm-natured, the other not so much. One hates to go backward, but mpg and fuel costs are my prime criteria on the next car.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I prefer manual heat/AC controls to the automagic ones.
In my opinion (And some other folks I have talked to)... the "automatic" climate systems on cars are a pretty stupud idea. The inside of a car can be as high as 100F or below -20F when you start the engine... the "automatic" systems will automaticcally go into FULL FORCE mode trying to maintin your preset temparture. Who wants all that fan noise?
If the engine is not going to even be warmed up for 30 minutes in the winter.... the stupid automatic system keeps blowing cold air at full force.
I would MUCH prefer to be in full control of a manual system. I want to chose the fanspeed, recirculate and other settings myself. I know when I am uncomfortable and can set the knobs myself.
BTW: My Jetta TDI gets over 55MPG with 3 passengers, 90F outside and the AC on.... while driving for over 9 hours. I dont beleive there is any other vehicle available in USA that even comes close. (such as a hybred)
As for power/acceleration, the 2.0 TDI is vastly superior and much more fun to drive than the 1.9 liter diesel featured on the Jettas in '05 and '06. Great passing and hill power, perfectly adequate acceleration for all conceivable normal driving situations. Needless to say, you won't be winning many 1/4 milers against gassers of equivalent or greater displacement, but the torque sure gives a thrill. I can't offer you a 0-60 time, but I suspect it is under 9 seconds, significantly better than the 1.9 was. You can definitely feel the 40 extra HP (50 more, if compared to earlier 1.9s) and the additional torque over previous TDI Jettas.
If you owned or drove one of the rare Passat 2.0 TDIs from late 2005, you will have appreciated the difference in the performance over a 1.9. With the similar 2.0 engine matched to the smaller, lighter Jetta, the improved power:weight ratio makes it feel even better than it did in the Passat.
I found the seating to be quite comfortable ( but again, it was a short ride). Both front seats have manually adjustable height and lumbar support. Seat back angle on the driver side is the only power adjustment. The upholstery appears to be high quality perforated vinyl. Front seats are adjustably heated for wintertime.
The air conditioning is manual--you turn on the fan and adjust the speed by a four position knob. The temperature control is a continuously adjustable knob from "65" to "80", but is not what I would call climate control of any kind. Still, it cooled more than adequately on a day in the upper 80s. I didn't fiddle with the radio much, but it comes with a three-month free subscription to Sirius satellite, and has a 6-CD changer plus aux input. Volume, mode and channel can be controlled from the steering wheel, which I consider a big safety feature
In addition to the 3yr/36,000 bumper to bumper and 5/60,000 power-train warranties, routine maintenance as scheduled in the owner's manual is covered for 3yrs/36,000 miles.
Overall I found the car to drive and handle in a very satisfying manner, feeling more German (good road feel) than Japanese (like my Accord, which is a great car). I know this mini-review will not be adequate for the more technically inclined among you--I'm not an engineer or a motor-head. That's why I rely on the rest of you guys to explain the finer points. But I highly recommend getting behind the wheel yourself and sharing your experience. I think this car has great potential.
I would second every point that obie made about the car as I very much enjoyed driving it. I particularly enjoyed the fact that I could essentially choose between a manual and an automatic. In the "D" position, you can slide the shifter to the right and have access to all six gears and drive it like a manual.
I did notice one thing that I found interesting. When you let off the accelerator of a gasoline-engine, the car slows (of course). When I let off the accelerator of the TDI, the car slowed more quickly than my gas cars do. I'm guessing that the transmission gear ratios are different, perhaps.
I'm interested in buying myself a Jetta TDI SportWagon and I'm waiting to hear from the local dealer about when I can order one. I don't want to plunk down a deposit on a car that doesn't exist or that is not what I want. He says that I can order one now, but I'm waiting to hear from him about what that means. It could mean anything from "leave me $1000 ... I'll get back to you when a car comes in, and you can take it or leave it" to "$1000 guarantees the car you want, the color, and the options."
I saw a gasoline version of the Jetta SportWagon on the lot and we took a look at it. It has a panoramic sunroof. The vast majority of the car's ceiling is glass! Some might love that, but I found it distracting. The cover wasn't completely opaque, so no matter what, I found myself driving with the sun in my eyes and it was very uncomfortable. I'd rather have a traditional sunroof, but I am not sure that is available on the SportWagon. So, if I can get a SportWagon TDI without a sunroof, I'll be very happy.
I'm hoping that these new generation diesels will be a step above those of the past. Like, obie, I highly recommend that you take a test drive at your dealership. Even at MSRP, and even with the diesel prices, you'll save money on the long run over most gasoline-engine cars (at least according to my calculations!)
We are in SF area.
Mico
Can we order exactly what we want, or will the first shipments be whatever comes off the line?
I placed a refundable deposit to take 10th place on the waiting list. I'm hedging my bet to hold a place in line while waiting for more reviews and actual mileage numbers to be posted. I'm expecting this model to be very popular if actual mileage numbers are 15%-20% than EPA rating.
Actually, diesel engines have much LESS decelleration than a gasoline engine. I know that the increased compression would make one think there would be more decelleration.... but that is not the key factor here.
A diesel engine DOES NOT HAVE A THROTTLEBODY because the engine speed is controled solely by how much fuel is injected.
A gasoline engine has a "butterfly valve" in the throttlebody and when it is closed (idle) the engine has to work very hard to "suck" againsed it. This causes the decelleration of a gasoline engine.
This difference is also one of the 2 main reasons that a diesel engine has much better econemy than a gasoline engine. The diesel is allowed to "breathe" as much air as it wants at all times while the gasoline engine is constantly "choked" with the throttleplate.
I will let the readers think about what the second main reason a diesel engine has better econemy than a gasser... 8-)
My theory was a quick assumption on my part. All of my diesel experience has been on tug boats over the past 35 years.
When I test drove a Jetta TDI about 18 months ago the first time I let off the throttle I was amazed at how quick the deceleration was and I just assumed and we all know what “assume” means.
In this case it just applies to me.
When I test drove the GL320 CDI I noticed that quick deceleration when I would take my foot off the accelerator. It sounded to me like the transmission was down shifting. I mentioned it to the salesman. It was his first ride in a diesel Mercedes and did not have a clue. I like to let my foot off the accelerator and coast as far as possible to a stop. Sounds like I need to do more test driving with the TDI. My Passat TDI with TipTronic did not act like that.
I'm pretty confident you can easily get the Sportwagen without the Sunroof. Interesting point you make about the non-opaque sunroof cover. I've noticed that in the new MINI and wondered if it would bother me. I had an '02 Mercedes 230 sports coupe which had one of the first 'panoramic' sunroofs, but it had a traditional solid cover for the front portion, where the driver would be affected.
As for the TDI slowing more quickly when you let up on the pedal than on traditional automatics, I think this is because on the DSG transmission there is no hydraulic torque converter, but rather a real clutch plate (two actually) that engages the engine to the transmission. There's just no clutch pedal, as a 'traditional' manual would have. So when you let up on the accelerator in the DSG, you experience some engine braking effect, just as you would 'coasting' to a stop if you didn't depress the clutch pedal in a regular straight drive. At least that's my theory. Anyone one out there who understands it better, please feel free to correct me.
I'm still contemplating whether this should be the next car for me. Very tempting.
Also, do you still have the Passat TDI? What was your experience with it?
1. On combustion diesel fuel and gasoline release the same amount of heat per unit weight, but diesel fuel is about 15 % denser than gasoline. That is, a gallon or a liter, of diesel weighs 15 % more than the same volume of gasoline. As a result, combustion of diesel fuel yields 15 % more heat energy per gallon or liter than gasoline does.
2. Compared to a gasoline engine of equal maximum power output, a diesel engine is more efficient than the gasoline engine at converting a given amount of heat into mechanical power. The higher compression and expansion ratio of the diesel gives it a "thermodynamic" advantage in converting heat to mechanical work; diesel engine exhaust gasses are much cooler than than gasoline engine exhaust. Also the lack of a throttle for the airflow in the diesel means that the "puming losses" are much less for a diesel than for a gasoline engine.
3. In the past in the US, auto manufacturers selected engine size to satisfy consumer demand for stunning performance and not for highest efficiency. Gasoline engines are so large in maximum rated power output, that they are loafing along when they are pushing a car, minivan or SUV along at 70 mph on level ground. A smaller gasoline engine would be more efficient.
A given vehicle will get better efficiency with a smaller V8 or a V6 or I6 than with a monster V8.
The diesel engines offered as alternatives to the gasoline engines were usually lower in max power than even the lowest gasoline engine. As a result the 0 - 60 mph time of the diesel was usually longer than even the smallest gasoline engine offered for that model of vehicle. But at highway cruising speed or driven carefully in the city the smaller size of the diesel contributed to higher mpg.
I am hoping the Sportwagon TDI will have better ground clearance and ease of entry. My real choice would be the Touareg with a V6 TDI. There are several Diesel SUVs coming to America over the next year. I will be checking them all out. I like my Sequoia. It is just too thirsty to keep long term. Just an interim vehicle until I find something I really like. If the NAV and Stereo was any good I would live with the 15 MPG.
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Dont take my word for it, do some research for yourself and learn more about how the DSG xmission has 2 totally seperate internal gearboxes with dual clutches which alternate the power-input nearly instantaniously.
Real-world MPG numbers (and the window-sticker MPG) reflect the fact that DSG-equiped vehicles are rated HIGHER MPG than equivalant manual-equiped.
A person would have to be flawless at using a clutch/shifter to match what a DSG can acheive. (and I said MATCH... not be better!)
I think the DSG is terrific as well but my only concern is reliability. I've heard there's some expensive service required and I can only imagine what it would cost to replace down the road.....the prior slushbox wasn't a cheap proposition.
PS
I am in San Diego. Retired after working 37 years in Alaska. I only go up to visit my son and his family.
Thanks!