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VW Jetta TDI



  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    I would not disagree with your categorization. At same time, they leave enough of an out so they do not run a foul of the anti-trust laws (whose name escapes me at this writing). They just say in fact they do sell Castrol and say they are ok with sanctioned VW spec The problem of course they are not commonly available and of course not many vendors are willing to go through the cost of certification and continuance for potentially a very small market; such as Motul, ELF, Schaffers.

    Of course, not a day goes by when the dealer's put in the INCORRECT (VW spec oil in the TDI's, during an oil change.

    Insofar as potential VW warranty claims on TDI engines. They are RARE and REMOTE as you have alluded and would probably agree. Just keep in mind that Peterbilt will not stand behind the VW warranty and vice versa.

    I use Delvac One 5w40, aka Mobil One 5w40 in a 2003 VW Jetta TDI ever since its first OEM recommended OCI at 5,000 miles. After the first oil change the oem recommendation is 10,000 miles. I run 25,000 OCI's. However it is 64% beyond its mileage warranty of 50,000 miles. It runs like the proverbial top.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    Folks -- There is a lot of misinformation about oil and TDI engines. The newer (pumpe duse) engines requre different oil than other TDI engines. Lest camshaft damage will occour.

    FIRST -- you must know the proper VW designation for YOUR engine. (ie... VW502.00, VW502.01, VW504.00, VW505.01, VW506.00, VW506.01, VW507.00....etc)
    THEN -- you need to look for that on the bottle of oil.

    Most dealerships are mis-informed and will tell you that their oil is the ONLY correct one. WRONG!
    Any oil that DISPLAYS the approprate VW designation for your engine is the correct oil. (not one that the maker "SAYS" it meets the VW spec)

    I will concede that there are some oil manufacturers who have chosen to not pay for the approval process on their products. (Delvac1 is one example)

    Here is the official Volkswagen list of approved oils.

    Here is a website that specializes in supplying TDI parts. (Including several oil brands with the VW designations)
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    It looks like many oil companies make the proper spec oil for the TDI. Due to limited sales in the US they don't bother to supply it here. I for one would never give VW America a chance to void a warranty. Not for a savings of $5 every 10k miles. That is just crazy.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365

    Its me....from IDLSUVWDY ! I have been busy lately...and not posted much for over an year... anyways...a big Howdy from me to you guys and to all others here on this thread....!!! :)

    Today I bought a used VW jetta TDI !! I backed away from priuses.....and finally made the plunge. HAd the thing for only 4 hours it so not know what the gas mileage is....

    But curious as to the usage of oil products, IS it that critical ? I use different viscosities for my cayenne, and diff manufacturer for the supercharged suburban. So far no it that critical for jetta tdi ?

    Also, how long do these engines last ?

    are the oils recommended by VW considered synthetic ? THe guy who sold it to me said it was 5W-40 synthetic only. HE did most of the work on his car...

  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    Good to hear from you after your hiatus!

    The discussion on the "correct" oil can be short and sweet to long and contentious. So in order of short to long, your specific owners manual will give you the specific " VW spec" VW 50x.xx for your model year. Once we know your model year, we can do a specfic recommendation, all the way to compare and contrasting of different brands.

    On a 2003 VW Jetta TDI, UNDER the "Tips and Advice, Engine oil, Specifications and viscosity, Diesel engine" owners manual 3.2- 2003 Jetta pg 36:

    the specific VW specification is VW spec 505.00.

    The other two are:

    ACEA B3 or ACEA B4

    API Service CF4 or API Service CG4.

    There are of course a few more paragraphs, but this should be similar in your case. But this should start you off.

    I use Mobil One Truck and SUV aka Delvac One 5w40 (synthetic). The specification it meets on the spec sheets and owners manual are the API Service CF4 or API Service CG4. It has 82,000 miles and runs like the proverbial top with 25,000 mile OCI's.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    Good to hear from you. Hope you got a good deal on your TDI. They can bring a big premium from those that know what they have for sale. KBB and Edmund's are so far off on the actual selling prices of these little jewels.

    A friend in Idaho sold his 2003 Jetta TDI for $18k. That is $6k more than Edmund's shows for a private sale.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    To answer your question "Also, how long do these engines last ?" .... VW gives life expectnacy in "hours" there is a thereticial lifespan that some folks have calculated from that.... it is WELL over 500,000 miles.

    This assumes that you RELIGESLY follow the maintaince recommendations. VWs (as most Euro. automobiles) need to be maintained. Crontast this with many Asian vehicles which seem to be designed for the owners manual to be ignored 8-)
  • 50mpg50mpg Posts: 2
    Why has it jumped from about $2.20 to almost $3 a gallon while the price of oil and other gas in general has been coming way down? Is this a temporary issue or what? Is there a shortage of diesel now? I live in No. Virginia. Help, I'm being screwed!
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    Hi Rukes:

    I just bought a 2002 jetta tdi,,,but with 109,000 miles...the guy lives in Stockton, but works in Redwood lots of miles per day....

    I just read the owners manual...and it is as you said....for the oil specs.

    I will try to use the Mobil one at the next oil change.

    Any suggestions from anyone on the possibility of using biodiesel in the jetta ? Does it need to be converted ? Or can you just add some filtered frying oil ? I have no idea....

    Good to talk to you again.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    Hi Gagrice:

    I searched the whole California...all sites, craigslist, dealers, etc.....and found this one in Stockton. It had a high mileage for a 2002 jetta tdi..109414...but all freeway...considering his one way commute of 75 miles per day.

    I agree with you...most people wanted over $15,000 for the jetta tdi....

    Edmunds say it should be worth about 9000 wholesale, 10,000 retail >???? But I bought it for $13,500....and there were 4 more buyers in line....and this was the cheapest in the state at this time.

    It had all the service, and the owner was meticulous in maintenance. I hope all will go well.

    hey...I did not know you had a tdi ? what model is it ?
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    hi bpeebles:

    WOW... I had heard that these engines last from 200,000 to 400,000 miles...therefore I was willing to plunge into the 109,000 miles one that I bought.

    So do you think this lifespan is realistic ?

    does anyone here have a diesel engine with high mileage above 200,000 ?

    I plan on doing all necessary maintenance...but how do I drain the water separator ?
    HOw soon should I change the air filters ?
    Is the K&N filter ( owner gave me one, but says that it may not work as well as paper filter ) better ?


  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    I bought a 2005 Passat Wagon TDI in April 2005 and sold it May of this year. Made 3 grand and got to use it for a year. It was fun to drive on the back roads of San Diego county. Handled beautifully. The only diesel I have right now is my MB Cruiser, built on the Mercedes Sprinter chassis. I am selling it also. No time to vacation now that I am retired. Keeping up with 5 acres of tropical plants and citrus is a full time job. We may sell that too.

    Good luck with that VW TDI. Make sure they did the timing belt at 80K miles.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    OK. this gets us in the right church and now it is a matter of pew choice for a whole host of things. :)

    "There are of course a few more paragraphs, but this should be similar in your case. But this should start you off.

    I use Mobil One Truck and SUV aka Delvac One 5w40 (synthetic). The specification it meets on the spec sheets and owners manual are the API Service CF4 or API Service CG4. It has 82,000 miles and runs like the proverbial top with 25,000 mile OCI's. "

    The 2003 Jetta TDI is materially the same as YOUR 2002 for oil specification purposes. Given the commute route of the previous owner, it is possibly some of the "BEST" freeway miles you can put on a car (from an engines point of view). I would not hesitate to use Mobil One Truck and SUV 5w40 aka Delvac One 5w40.

    As you probably have found out, availability can sometimes be spotty to non existent. I have gotten a few 5 qt containers, Mobil One Truck and SUV 5w40 at various local (and FL) WalMart's. If you want to use Delvac One 5w40, you might need to goggle your local truck stop or truck supplier.

    I got 1 (4-1 gal containers each, per cse) case at a truck stop AND supplier at: 408-292-1041, Western States, 1790 10th Street, San Jose, CA (near Spartan Stadium, San Jose State University) They also coincidently sell B99 Biodiesel. Do a goggle, for more info about Western States. Ask them for a discount, tell them you heard about them on the TDICLUB web site.

    Also WALMART carries Shell Rotella and Rotella synthetic, which of course meets the API specifications for YOUR 2002. Either is FAR cheaper than the Mobil One/Delvac per qt. There are also some local distributors of Motul. ELF seems like a very robust product. Schaffer's offers free shipping for over 250. orders. Castrol is of course available at the local VW dealers.

    ..."I plan on doing all necessary maintenance...but how do I drain the water separator ?
    HOw soon should I change the air filters ?
    Is the K&N filter ( owner gave me one, but says that it may not work as well as paper filter ) better ? "...

    The hardest part about draining the water separator is "getting to it" . SO, it is unloosen the philips headed band clamp, lift or slide out for access. Once you get to it, it is really as simple as unloose the plastic drain cock (at the bottom of the filter), (let the proper amount of fuel drain out) retighten the drain cock.

    The Vehicle Maintenance Schedule recommends each 40,000 miles on the air filter.

    Stay with the OEM air filters!!!! Do NOT use the K & N air filter!!! It is NOT better. It is actually worse in that it lets more particles in rather than less.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    That was great on how you did on the passat tdi....

    Have a great time with your 5 acres of plants...I am envious.. :D

    thanks for all your info.....
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    That is great, rukes ! I did a comparison of PRius and tdi diesel cars, and made the switch to diesel as my focus point for purchase. As you may recall, for the past 3 years I was harping on about the merits of the not get me wrong, I am not bashing priuses...but Ounce for ounce....the tdi diesels , in my opinion, beat the hybrids, at least for now/up to now.

    I will use the oil that you suggested. I will start the search now. THe seller was nice enough to give me the oil timing belt, about 8 oil filters, and a rather new looking , oiled K&N filter....but he also said the same thing that you said...he said he feels the K&N does not improve any fuel economy or increase power...but lets soot go in.....but he gave it to me anyways, . I guess I will let it sit .

    Thanks for the tip on the supplier..I will make my way down there, on the way to visit my sister in law in Sunnyvale...

    Cheers....!! and hang in there....
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    Yeah, I think if the seller gave you oil, by all means use it. No sense keeping it on the shelf. Those 8 oil filters will give you a min of 80,000 miles, so you are definitely good to go, going forward.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    Historically, the price of Diesel goes UP in the fall. This is because most of us in cold climates heat with fuel-oil (which is basically #2 diesel fuel)

    Also, the manditory rollout of ULSD is expected to make the price go up too.

    The rules of "supply and demand" apply here 8-)
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    tread carefully here Mobil One Truck and SUV has been reformulated in the past few months. It is NO LONGER suitable for a diesel engine. Do not use reformulated "Mobil One Truck and SUV" in a TDI engine. It is easy to spot the reformulated "Mobil One Truck and SUV" because it is now 5W30 (instead of the required 5W40)

    The proper mobil1 oil for the NON pumpe-duse TDI engine is:
    Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    reformulated ? OK....I will follow rukes recommendations and look to see if the oils have the proper certs..of CH-4 or CG-4......

    thanks for the heads up....
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    where the cheapest diesel station are at ?

    I went to biofuel oasis in berkeley yesterday and filled up the jetta with biodiesel. cost is $3.70 per gallon. I hear that with biodiesel, the fuel economy will also drop by 5 to going renewable costs more.

    I am not sure , but I think Costco does not sell diesel., is that right ?
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    The truth is it varies and is somewhat of a sport to search out. So if I may, here is one tool in the tool bag.
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,365
    thanks rukes...

    I searched on the site, and it gave me the I have the info now....
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 18,387
    As I recall the #2 diesel places off Highway 880 seem to be consistently cheaper than most, like corner stores!! :)
  • harryeharrye Posts: 5
    hello sebring, harrye here. i noticed you have a 2000 jetta tdi as do i. i was driving it in second gear when a pop! occured. the engine now sounds significantly louder and there is white smoke pouring out of the exhaust. any thoughts on what it might be? a seal problem in the cooler?
    thanks for your time, harry
  • harryeharrye Posts: 5
    hello. my name is harry and am new to this forum. i have a 2000 jetta tdi that just experienced a pop! when in second gear. the engine now sounds significantly louder when i turn it over and there is white smoke flying out of the exhaust. needless to say i'm not driving it right now. anybody have any ideas what it might be? a seal in the cooler? thanks,harry
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    What you describe sounds as if the piping from the turbocharger and the intake manifold has popped off. Often this can be easilly seen by looking under the hood and check the plumbing on the PASSENGERS side of the engine from the intercooler to the intake manifold. Make sure the pipes are still connected.

    If that pipe looks OK... then check the plumbing from the turbocharger -to- the intercooler. (Much harder to get at because it is accessed from underneath)
  • csmcsm Posts: 37
    Woops...hit the wrong key! Since I am having trouble finding Mobil One products, I wonder what anyone's thoughts are concerning Castrol Syntec 5W40? I can purchase it locally. It is labeled for and specifically mentions VW TDI on the label. My TDI has always had Mobil One in it. This might seem like silly question, but would you, who know, run a different brand - any brand? I can't see where there would be a problem because they are the same viscosity etc.
    Also, Where can one get a good price on the Lubra Molly Diesel Purge that I have been considering. Thank you.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,085
    As I recall, you have a 2003 TDI (same as I). The Castrol Syntec 5W40 is what the VW dealership would use (VW imports that oil to USA for TDI)

    For TDIs with the "pumpe duse" engine, that oil would likely destroy the camshafts. Now that the "pumpe duse" engine has been available for a few years.... the ones run with the incorrect oil are starting to end up in the shop with camshaft problems.
  • csmcsm Posts: 37
    Great memory Mr. bpeebles. Yes, I have an '03 A4 Jetta. 1.9 TDI. Well, I may as well use that brand then. I know that I wouldn't want to mix oils, but for doing a change w/filter, there is no problem with going to another brand?
    While I have you, I was wondering about the Diesel purge info. The second one you sent, from and concerning the info from Mike04golfTDI is very interesting. I was wondering, on the diagram listing A=fuel out from filter, and B = fuel return, concerning the point where I unhook from them, is there a problem with fuel spillage that I need to be aware of? I thank you for sending those. I may use the set up described with the funnel system, simply because I have the funnel.
    Thanks for your input.
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