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http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=30
If they can't keep their own results straight when they post them, how do they expect us to do the same?
That is even more than the $55 it costs at the dealer around here!
You can buy the filter for $12 at the dealer.
The filter looks like a filter for a wet/dry Vacuum shop type. The dealer (service) said it takes time and requires skills to replace it! B.S.!.
Any zombie can do it in 5'...
I don't think Hyundai realizes how the $60 dollars Oil-Filter change will play with present owners and potential buyers! BAD MOVE all the way! That will certainly hurt Hyundai sales more than anything else; along with the already exorbitant and outrageous Maintenance Cost at 15k/30K/60K...
HYUNDAI WAKE UP, before it is too late!
If it continues; Hyundai will be remembered as the $60 oil/filter change... and probably will go the Yugo way!
Just got a new digital camera for christmas and am having some fun with it. BOy does it take great pictures. But then again I had a great canvas to work with.
The Sonata recieved a "acceptable" in the side crash test.
I was talking about the detailed scores for the side crash test.
I think you're confusing the general scores, with the more detailed scores.
The link I posted in my last post is in detail. It lists each individual scores (head/neck, torso, leg/pelvis) Like I said in my last post, the Sonata recieved a "poor"- in the leg/pelvis category and "acceptable"-in the torso category for the front passenger.
HYUNDAI HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEALERSHIP OIL CHANGE FEE.
Toyota/Scion only charges 27.95Plus tax, or around 30 for out 05 tC oil change.
I may have to look around on a few Hyundai fan forums, for 06 sonata oil changes being so much. Worst i have heard was 32 with taxes. I heard the new oil filter is in a "box", and not a normal filter, correct?(sort of like air filter, in a certain area, open it up, and pull out the filter like one would do to an air filter, except it is oily
Anyhow, maybe Kia's new version coming out will be less pricey(see link)
http://optima.kia.com/
I will check around and try to see what others claim to be paying. I have not read the other posts. Yours seemed to stand out, and I replied asap.
Anyhow, 60 dollars! They should hand wash and wax, and vaccuum your vehicle, too , at that price. That is about what("sale price") tire rotation, balance and 4 wheel alignment is, about 60 dollars(the good old days, of 1994, Sears used to charge only 29.99 plus tax for this service).
Take Care/Not Offense
Perfect example, over here, oil changes are free for life (though with some limitations
tb88 and benjip, go somewhere else or if you'd like, take it to Hyundai corporate and report your dealership problems. Keep in mind, as others have mentioned already, the pricing has nothing to do with Hyundai but how the dealership is strctured. No offense but frankly, I found both of your logic absurd.
Why don't you read something else if that bothers you!
It is only for people with a 2006 Sonata V6 who have to deal with eventually! and those who are considering to buy Sonata!
It is Hyundai responsability not impose expensive Maintenance... they are the one who switched to this idiotic filter!
.
But I understand your frustration. $62 is way too much, and to make things worst, taking your car to some of those speedy Lube or national franchises can be a bad idea. Why? The July/05 HMA Service Technical Bulletin reports that using Aftermarket oil filter may cause engine knocking noise
Subject / Group / Number /Date / Model
CIRCULATE TO: [ ] GENERAL MANAGER
[X] SERVICE ADVISOR [X] SERVICE MANAGER [X] WARRANTY MGR [ ] SALES MANAGER
[X] PARTS MANAGER [X] TECHNICIAN
ENGINE MECHANICAL
JULY, 2005
ALL MODELS
USE OF AFTERMARKET ENGINE OIL FILTERS
CAUSING ENGINE KNOCKING NOISE
DESCRIPTION:
Some vehicles may experience an engine knock noise with the use of an aftermarket oil
filter. Aftermarket oil filters may use different materials, construction and specifications
than genuine Hyundai oil filters, which may lead to pressure variations within the engine,
thus contributing to an engine knocking noise.
VEHICLES AFFECTED:
All Models
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
Perform an oil change on the vehicle and replace the aftermarket oil filter with a genuine
Hyundai oil filter.
WARRANTY INFORMATION:
Normal warranty procedures apply.
This is not a warranty repair.
If you don't want to hear/read something another poster posts, just skip the post. If you feel like a post is out of line, please email me and I'll check it out.
Sorry to be repeating myself, but some of you don't seem to be getting what I'm saying. If you have questions, drop me an email, but the comments about other posters stops now.
Thank you.
CAUSING ENGINE KNOCKING NOISE ...
I was very aware of that bulletin; even though it only applies to pre 2006 Sonata; because there is no aftermarket filter yet for the 2006 V6!
It is very frustrating when one is put between a rock and a hard place wether intentionally or not on the part of Hyundai.
Regardless of how little one pays for a car, the saving is not worth it in the long run, if one ends up shelling twice that much in exorbitant maintenance... then maybe the competition is better after all!
"For one thing, even though forces on the dummies' heads are measured, they aren't considered for the "star" ratings. Secondly, NHTSA counts only forces on the thorax and pelvis toward the ratings, even though head injuries cause the most deaths in real-world side impact crashes. Finally, their barrier simulates the front end of a car, so it's not high enough to strike the dummies' heads directly, as would be true for a large truck or SUV. Side airbags are most beneficial in protecting the head, by interposing a cushion between the intruding object and the head.
So, wait until the IIHS releases their side tests -- much more informative." - 210delray
That's a good explanation of why their side test had many flaws.
Hyundai should be ashamed if it is true that they are charging $62 for an oil change, whether because of a special oil filter, or whatever
A quick look on some websites (Wix and Purolator) show part numbers and descriptions for the 3.3 V6 oil filter and state that they should be available soon. Also, a Hyundai dealership that has a good on-line store (I have gotten some accessories from them in the past) shows the V6 oil filter with the o-rings for only $10.95 + shipping. If your dealership is charging $62 for an oil change, my advice--go to another dealership!
Hyundai should be ashamed if it is true that they are charging $62 for an oil change, whether because of a special oil filter, or whatever
I agree it's ridiculous to pay that much for an oil change. You can get a genuine Hyundai filter online for ~12 bucks. Change it yourself, or take it to a quickie oil change place and they will be glad to do it for you.
Keep in mind that Hyundai is not charging you or setting prices for the oil change. That's strictly your dealer's policies.
Oil filter design changes are being forced by environmental concerns. Get used to the cartridge type filters, because they may end up being universal. Eventually, they could lead to lower filter prices, not higher. I understand that Toyota now has a cartridge type filter on some new vehicles.
Edit: Woa, look at what I found!
Cartridge Filters
You didn't say that in your last post. If you had been that specific from the beginning, it wouldn't have been that misleading.
I understand where you're coming from. Do you understand where I'm coming from?
We're both right. The general scores were Good, Acceptable, Good. I said that.
The specific scores were as follows:
leg/pelvis = poor, and torso for front passenger was acceptable. You said that.
Both are valid points.
I'm not taking issue with your link or you as a person (in case Pat is "closely watching" what I'm saying here or thinks I'm trying to attack anyone). I thought the way you initially presented it was misleading.
I doubt there is any confusion anymore, and I consider this a closed topic.
I apologize if I offended anyone with this discussion.
What I wrote in my last-last post.
"The Sonata's front passenger had a "poor" and "acceptable" (along with two "good"), the rear passenger had all "good"."
Along with that, I posted a link showing the detailed scores for the side crash test which matched what I said above.
I guess stating "front passenger" and "rear passenger" was not clear enough.
At least we have an understanding now
It doesn't matter if there is or not aftermarket oil filters; because if there is any problem like the one in the July 2005 Hyundai Technical Bulletin (Post #4574 of 4585 Technical Service Bulletin - July/05 Re: Aftermarket Oil Filter by jcm68 Mar 12, 2006)... you are not covered under the warranty because the part used may not fit the exact Manufacturer's specs; and they may be right!
... If your dealership is charging $62 for an oil change, my advice--go to another dealership!...
The $55 - $60 oil/Filter is becoming the norm nowadays at every dealer! If some are not there yet; they will follow pretty soon , believe me!
That is a very general statement and unless it can be substantiated by a nationwide check of a large cross section of Hyundai dealers it would be wild speculation at best to make this claim.
About the expensive oil change, the deal I went to offers free oil change for life. So that is not a worry for me. Anyway, what is the recommended oil change interval on the LX? Thanks.
If you are really economy minded, you can get a case of 10 filters for ~4.70 each, and a case of 10 O-Ring seals for ~.55 each,,, + shipping of course.
https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/product_info.php/products_id/349
Or google for the Sonata filter #, which is part no. 26300-35501
Realistically, $60.00 for a dealer oil change is expensive, but understandable.
Shop prices for a large shop are usually over $45 an hour. Filter and O-ring cost is say $5. Oil (6 quarts) is say $6. Oil disposal costs a little. The actual cost to the dealer is probably over $30.
Even the quickie oil change places charge $35 or more, and their shop cost is well below dealer shop cost.
So here it is again:
1. Where did you find out that "I4 uses the same filter as many other 4-cylinder engines such as the Accord."? I need to be sure, 'cause my Shell station mechanic can't find any information about the 2006 oil filter.
2. What's this "Fumoto valve" you mention?
BTW, as an aside, I realize that as HOST you are probably just an administrator on this board, and not an '06 Sonata owner, but I've got to ask...
What do you drive? :confuse:
John
Ya, it's the same filter. When I go to "Hyundai Parts Online" and input the this part number, I get this page:
https://www.hyundaipartsonline.com/product_info.php/products_id/349
I originally got the filter part number from the "Hyundai Service Tech" Web site, here
http://www.hmaservice.com/authenticator/login?returnAddress=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hma- service.com%3A80%2Findex.jsp
The I4 engine uses the exact same filter as many, many other 4-cylinder engines. It does not use a unique filter which is only specific to the 2006 Hyundai Sonata I4. You can go to www.pureoil.com and click on the tab "Vehicle Applications". This will allow you to enter your vehicle model/engine/year to receive the part number. If you research the part number for the oil filter you will find it fits many other cars from other makers. Your mechanic may not be able to find the part number because it takes a bit for the filter makers to update their databases with new models. If you are still having trouble I can email you the I4 oil filter number for the top-rated PureONE or even the ole cheapo's like Fram. Without starting a debate, I use the PureONE filters (PepBoys stocks 'em) & Mobil 1 synthetic oil because I want to see just how many miles I can pack onto this engine. When I changed the oil for the first time I cut open the old stock Hyundai oil filter and it did not compare with the quality of the PureONE.
The Fumoto valve is a do it yourself oil changers dream. It is a valve which replaces the standard oil pan bolt which means you do not need a wrench to change your oil. It is as simple as a flick of the wrist with some downward pressure. These things are bulletproof and very high quality. No chance of failure, no running over something and accidentally opening it, no lessening ground clearance etc. I have used these for years and the first thing I do with my new cars at their first oil change is toss the bolt for the Fumoto valve replacement. You can check them out at www.fumotovalve.com. The part number for the 2006 Sonata is the F106 (V6 or I4). If you google "Fumoto valve discount code" you can find a few promo codes worth a few bucks off. It is just a matter of finding a code that still works. If you just take your car to a shop for an oil change then it is not worth getting.
Even the quickie oil change places charge $35 or more, and their shop cost is well below dealer shop cost.
Walmart charges around $13 for a 4 cyl (4quarts) and $15 for a V6 (5 quarts).
Ford-Gm dealers charge around $25.
Please don't tell me that your getting your oil changed at Walmart.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You know you don't need an engineering degree to change filter and oil in a car! Plus I think they have a good testing program when it comes to using drugs/illegal substance for the people they hire.
It reminds me of : don't buy a car made on a Friday or a Monday! I wonder why?!?
Labor rates at a dealership vary depending upon the level of expertise required. That level is very low, well below $45/hr, for an oil change. Plus, some/many dealers are trying to be competitve with the quick oil change shops and I suspect the dealer isn't applying the full overhead cost/rate to an oil change.
John
Hope you enjoy your vehicle for years to come.