Yeah, what was the big difference? I have a 2004 Accord LX sedan automatic. Granted, its engine is a bit noiser thant the 2004 Camry LE 4 I tested, but the Accord had better handling, better acceleration, and a 5 speed automatic. I think the engine/tranny performance is better than the previous generation Camry. Honda has come a long way on tranny performance. I base this on fifteen years of driving Hondas, and know that the previous trannys not only had problems, they shifted at times poorly. Both are very good vehicles though, its just a matter of preference.
My local dealership has a ton of 2007 Camrys in stock now. All were sourced from Japan. They have had the same units in stock for about a week now. Another dealership is claiming "discounts" on the 2007s, but I don't know how much.
Hi! I test drove Honda Accord 4 cylinder, a couple months ago. The ride was so harsh on a part of the road that was rough. In meantime, I bought Camry LE 4 cylinder and whenever I drive it over that same rough part of the road; I enjoyed how smooth and absorbing Camry’s ride is.
Sorry if I'm late to the forum. Other than 17" wheels what additional features does the SE Camry have? Is there a noticeable improvement in the suspension? If I trade my trusty old Jetta GLX will I have withdrawls?
Toyota admits an objective of the new Camry is to hit more emotional high notes than the prior Camry.
I'm not sure it does that, especially from the front. The new grill is busy and distracting. From the side and back I'd say the new body is a successful improvement, but not a standout in styling against the competition.
Toyota knows it currently sells on its bulletproof reliability reputation. But there is a significant slice of the market that buy on style and emotional excitement. I'm not sure the Camry advances the ball on visual excitement. It certainly isn't a Chrysler 300 or Nissan Altima.
Yes, factory ordering is possible. Somewhere at Toyota's web site there are words to the effect that while regions limit options, please contact your dealer for special ordering. That's not to say your dealer will be easy to work with. Some are, some aren't.
In the northwest, VSC isn't available separately from a package that includes a moon roof . . . on any model. If I decide to buy, it will be via special order. I'm unwilling to give up the headroom.
I haven't bought a new car in a few years so decided to look at these two yesterday. I liked the Accord except for one thing. Looking straight at the front the radiator is VERY visible thru the grill, etc. I have noticed this on very cheap cars in the past and it really turns me off.
This radiator deal was not a problem with the Camry, either 06 or 07. The front of the 07 is just a little over the top for me. I think I prefer the 06.
Overall styling on the Camry is an improvement though IMHO the grill looks like a Mazda....after the refresh this year when is a new Accord coming out???? As far as paying 30k for a Camry if I spent that much I'd be stepping on up to that Acura TL I really want.
thanks alpha for the info on the 4 cycliner, with gas probably heading to the north side of 3 bucks to stay this summer the 4 seems the way to go
I think its interesting that the TL comes up. Its positioned as a much sportier vehicle than the Camry, but one must consider that equipping both similarly, the TL stickers at 36K to the Camry's 30.5K. Also, the Camry has a few features that the TL doesnt, and vice versa. For example, the Camry has driver's knee airbag, 6 speed auto w/ better MPG, SmartKey (not sure if the TL has this), and the TL has far superior customer service, xenons, etc.
Trucker- I'm an advocate of both Camry engines, but in combined overall driving, the V6 is claimed to hit only TWO (2) MPG fewer than the 4 cylinder... meaning.. it would be comparable in fuel consumption to the 95 Camry that you have/had.
The voice activated NAV on the Camry appears to be a real bargain priced at $1,000 to $1,200 option. I've been using a Garmin Street Pilot III for years, and getting tired of the large cables in the power outlet, and having to move unit off and on the dash. I paid $1,000 for my Street Pilot III in 2003, and newer comparable Garmin models would be at about a similar price. (Admittedly, the ability of change vechicles with portable NAV is a real plus, and I need to buy a new portable NAV at some point anyway for use in my 2003 Highlander).
Perhaps I will inquire what the deal would be for special order and dealership, and if reasonably priced special order the NAV. But , I would like to get pricing for th 2007 Camry similar to that from Fitzmall.com as I am located in Virginia.
I second that alpha. Many people make a quick comparison of cars pricing. You have to work through every option/feature to make an accurate comparison of the real pricing differences between two cars. All things considered, I believe TL is quite a step up from the 2007 Camry. $36,000 for a TL is out of my range.
Thank goodness the 2007 Camry is not like the Nissan Altima or Chrysler 300, or else it couldn't be a Toyota as those two vehicles you mentioned are not know for their reliability. In fact, their quality is quite poor.
The new Camry is a great looking car but it is not for everybody. However, the reliability, quietness, luxury and high quality are traits that move it to the front of my new car list!
Here is a similar quote on that same car from Fitzmall.
Body: 4DR V6 XLE Color: Titanium Metal Interior: Ash Stock#: T000430 Model#: 2554 VIN#: JTNBK46K273000430 Delivered Internet Price: $30,201 - This is the price you pay
Features - CF FACTORY INSTALLED OPTIONS CF - CARPETED FLOOR MATS DK - PREFERRED OWNERS PORTFOLIO FE - 50 STATE EMISSIONS HD - HEATED SEATS NV - NAVIGATION SYSTEM SK - SMART KEY SYSTEM VS - VEHICLE STABILITY CONTROL
Which St Louis dealership was this quote from? Was it an internet quote? I am looking for the same car and so far, have had quotes at 1250 over invoice in chicago.
It was a white one and looked very impressive and well built. I think the grill is a love/hate thing(I love it), but these vehicles should sell really well. They appear like a much more expensive car than they are.
This is very true. Camry's go for the center of the market cuz that's where the volume is. i agree about the front but I do like it better than prior models ( I had 4 of them ). The back end though is worlds better than anything they have ever had in their line IMO. The SE with the lip spoiler along with the offsets in the trunk lid and the taillights make it a standout.
I was looking at all the other models last W/E that were out next to the new Camry. Everyone had a smooth flat top surface flowing down to a smooth rearquarter.
Does anyone know if the Navi on the 07 Camry would let you enter an address while the car is moving at 60mph? The 06 Navi doesn't let you do this. Toyota claims this is a safety feature. However, Acura and others let you do it.
Thanks for the pricing information. Please keep us informed. My local dealer--southern Oregon--has only 1 2007 I4 XLE in stock. For reasons of headroom, I can't take an XLE, but want VSC. So far, NW Toyota dealers say they aren't stocking VSC without including a moon roof.
Appreciate your info on pricing. I drove by my local dealer tonight. Still no 2007 Camry's on the lot.
I believe that current pricing by Fitzmall of approximately $600 to $700 over invoice is going be a reasonably consistent with what an informed buyer will be able to get the car for. Carsdirect (where I've bought my last two Toyotas) does not offer the 2007 Camy yet, and they say they have no idea when they will start selling it. Carsdirect is currently doing the 2006 Camrys (all models and options combinations) for $1,000 below invoice as they have been all year. Therefore, $600 over invoice for a 2007 comparably equipped Camry sounds like a reasonable indicator to me, given 2007 new attributes and generation.
Hey tidewater, I just found out that the Lexus ES350 is coming out in April. I think if we wait until April, the Camry dealers will have to lower their sticker. The ES350 starts at around 33 or 35. Check out this wannabe Camry, haha pictures and also here pictures and description
I think the Fitzmall delivered price on the xle v6 msrp $31039 is wrong. It is not consistent with the other prices. The dealer in St. Louis is Jay Wolfe toyota. They are in west county(more money) so they move more xle's than other st louis dealers. I will find out today if they will actually sell it for $28500. They don't have it so they have to break into a production run and change colors, etc. Three weeks they said. I just bought an 06 4runner from them. But I doubt if that has anything to do with the price. ps. If you add everything up for invoice pricing Fitz is consistently 4-5 hundred higher. So I think you are paying at least a $1000 over invoice for each car. Or more...
Is it just me or does it appear that the grill on the 07' hybrid makes the grill on the other models appear to have come out of the junkyard? I mean, not everyone can afford a hybrid and the hybrid is already blessed with so many bells and whistles. Least toyota could do is make the hybrid grill available on all the models!
They all add regional advertising to the manufacturers invoice price that shows up Edmunds or KBB.
Toyota dealers charge is $500 (+ or - $50).
That ends up being the dealers invoice price.
This is nothing new but may be a surprise for you.
The invoice price does not include any fees that may be charged by the manufacturer to dealers in a particular area of the country, such as local advertising fees. Edmunds.com does not track or provide such local fees.
If an advertising fee appears on the invoice, it is an actual cost that the dealer paid to the manufacturer when buying the vehicle. In other cases dealers may choose to write in their own ad fees on the consumer sales contract. However, in either case these advertising fees are just one example of the dealer's cost of doing business. As with all such dealer-itemized fees, consumers should treat as "negotiable" any advertising fee they are asked to pay.
While it is negotiable, on new "hot" models, there won't be much negotiation.
True, the Lexus ES350 is coming out in April, but don't think you're going to pick one up at the base price. For a long time, most of them will be loaded, lifting the price to the high 30s, and they will all sell for sticker.
The intro of the ES350 will have no effect on Camry prices.
Toyota announced this morning that 35-40,000(out of about 430,000) Camry's will be produced in Indiana, by next year, eliminating the need for imports from Japan if the demand remains steady. Toyota thinks though demand will be strong enough to warrant some imports from Japan for some time. The Indiana plant will have the capacity to build 100,000 Camry's within a year or two. Stamping,parts, axles and engines will come from the Kentucky plant adding jobs there. Toyota said Hyundai is absolutely targeting Toyota and not paying attention to anyone else and have made incerdible inroads into Toyota's customer base. Toyota has decided to fight back by drastically increasing supplies of Camry's over the next few years. With its competitors all producing good mid-sized cars Toyota may have to discount the Camry heavily to attract new customers. That would increase sales but cut profits,something the company might have to do to protect its role as the maker of the best selling car in the U.S. Toyota has a reputation of being very agressive when they see a competitior gaing strength and staying ahead of them.
Exactly how is the Hybrid grill so much better than the XLE grill? As far as I can tell, they look exactly the same, except the Hybrid appears silver, while the XLE is body-colored.
Yes on LE, except body-colored like the XLE. No on SE, for obvious reasons. The CE I haven't seen, but I imagine it's the same as the hybrid, XLE and LE. But quite frankly, if the grill is different on the CE, I have no problem with a stipper car having cheaper details.
Now here's a detail I have issue with. I think the wheels on the XLE are kinda bland. I think Toyota should have put something a little more upscale on the XLE, like the nice shoes on the Avalon Limited.
I bit the bullet and bought a 2007 base 4 cyl LE for $19,379. This was after Toyota's $400 college grad rebate. The MSRP was $21,279. I'm curious as to whether this was a good price, and am hoping others will post their purchase prices for comparison.
This looks even more like the 2007 Camry than the previous model ES 330 looked like the old Camry. In fact, the dash and interior on the new Camry looks nice. Lexus may have a hard time selling the new ES 350 against the 2007 CAMRY XLE V-6 as the Camry is better looking and will be thousands less!
I noticed that also. Generally, Fitzmall indicates you can by almost any 2007 Camry XLE for about $600 over invoice.
I'm curious - its sounds like you are trying to 'special order' an XLE at $28,500, and it will take 3 weeks. Do you feel their price was higher or lower with a special order vs. something on the lot? I am warry of the hassle factor of special ordering - what if car comes in with a different option combination -- and the dealer does not really have the exact model/options/colors you request in the order. Good luck on your purchase.
Does anyone think Toyota will make the smart key system available on XLE 4 cylinders with the 2008 model? I would really love to have the smart key system but prefer the economy of the 4 cylinder engine. It is encouraging to know that VSC and other options like leather seating seem to be more available on the 4 cylinders in 2007 than ever before!
Including the $400 grad discount, it looks like you got about the lowest quote I've heard of on a new 2007 Camry.
It does sound like that 2007 LE price is at or near invoice. Can you post the MSRP price from the sticker (an invoice if available). And, how was delivery charge, and adverising fees handled?
I've never special ordered a car before - you sound like the pro here njerald.
The only downside I can think of is, if car arrives 4 to 8 weeks later and is somewhat different from your specifications, then you must decide if you'd take a slightly different car after that wait. Plus, what if someone else wanted your the car you special ordered, and stepped in with additional funds to take your car away after you've waited 6 weeks.
However, to get Navigation in an XLE 4 cyl in VA, special ordering may be the way to get it.
I'd be very curious to learn how your dealing goes as to pricing to expect on a special order.
BTW, Thanks for the info on new Lexus. It does look like the Camry. I think actually the Avalon would be more my speed as an alternative. I like the Avalon's looks better than Camry or Lexus, irrespective of price.
Thanks for the info on new Lexus. It does look like the Camry! I think actually the Avalon would be more my speed as an alternative. I like the Avalon's looks better than Camry or Lexus, irrespective of price.
The one thing I don't like about the Camry is the grill shape with the Toyota symbol running into the grill. I'd take the Avalon grill on the Camry if I could.
The MSRP was $21,279. I'm not at home so I don't have all the details right in front of me, but I believe the delivery was $585. That could be wrong, but it was definitely in the $500's.
I didn't ask to see an invoice, I just used the one I got of kbb.com for my base price. I told them that $19,379 is what I'd pay, and they did the typical back and forth a few times and then agreed.
The reason I asked others for comparrison is that it almost seemed to easy to get that price. I expected more trouble.
Also, in my area, the 2006's LE Auto's (bascially the 2006 counterpart to what I bought) have been advertised consistently for between $16,500 and $17,100, which is below invoice. I'm afraid that in a month I'll see a 2007 auto LE advertized for $17,995 or something. If they could sell the 2006 for under invoice, why not the 2007.
I have factory ordered 7 or 8 times and never got a vehicle with options that I did not order.
I am at present asking all the dealers in the area for an XLE, telling that it will be a factory order, asking for their best price.
I have received 3 of 8 quotes back so far. When I get them all back I will evaluate them. The lowest price dealer so far is the closest and offers free loaner cars during service so that will be a consideration.
Before I go in to sign the order (the last two times I have just signed a fax order w/o a deposit) I will ask to see the deal written up so there is no wiggle room for the dealership. If they want a deposit, I will go see them and finalize the paperwork.
Special orders should be cheaper for the dealer as they are not financing the car while it sits in inventory.
I do no know how many vehicles a dealer can special order.
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Yeah, what was the big difference? I have a 2004 Accord LX sedan automatic. Granted, its engine is a bit noiser thant the 2004 Camry LE 4 I tested, but the Accord had better handling, better acceleration, and a 5 speed automatic. I think the engine/tranny performance is better than the previous generation Camry. Honda has come a long way on tranny performance. I base this on fifteen years of driving Hondas, and know that the previous trannys not only had problems, they shifted at times poorly. Both are very good vehicles though, its just a matter of preference.
My local dealership has a ton of 2007 Camrys in stock now. All were sourced from Japan. They have had the same units in stock for about a week now. Another dealership is claiming "discounts" on the 2007s, but I don't know how much.
I my zip 23435, I only get Option Combinations A & B
A. VSC
B. VSC, Heated & Leather seats.
"Any color you choose as long as it's Silver"
Perhaps that may change going forward.
I wonder if factory ordering is possible and how much of a hassle it would be.
I'm not sure it does that, especially from the front. The new grill is busy and distracting. From the side and back I'd say the new body is a successful improvement, but not a standout in styling against the competition.
Toyota knows it currently sells on its bulletproof reliability reputation. But there is a significant slice of the market that buy on style and emotional excitement. I'm not sure the Camry advances the ball on visual excitement. It certainly isn't a Chrysler 300 or Nissan Altima.
NAV shows on the SE and XLE V-6.
I would buy out of the area. Go North or South.
In the northwest, VSC isn't available separately from a package that includes a moon roof . . . on any model. If I decide to buy, it will be via special order. I'm unwilling to give up the headroom.
This radiator deal was not a problem with the Camry, either 06 or 07. The front of the 07 is just a little over the top for me. I think I prefer the 06.
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thanks alpha for the info on the 4 cycliner, with gas probably heading to the north side of 3 bucks to stay this summer the 4 seems the way to go
Trucker- I'm an advocate of both Camry engines, but in combined overall driving, the V6 is claimed to hit only TWO (2) MPG fewer than the 4 cylinder... meaning.. it would be comparable in fuel consumption to the 95 Camry that you have/had.
~alpha
The voice activated NAV on the Camry appears to be a real bargain priced at $1,000 to $1,200 option. I've been using a Garmin Street Pilot III for years, and getting tired of the large cables in the power outlet, and having to move unit off and on the dash. I paid $1,000 for my Street Pilot III in 2003, and newer comparable Garmin models would be at about a similar price. (Admittedly, the ability of change vechicles with portable NAV is a real plus, and I need to buy a new portable NAV at some point anyway for use in my 2003 Highlander).
Perhaps I will inquire what the deal would be for special order and dealership, and if reasonably priced special order the NAV. But , I would like to get pricing for th 2007 Camry similar to that from Fitzmall.com as I am located in Virginia.
xle with nav msrp $31039
$28500 and the wonderful $199 doc fee
any comments???
The new Camry is a great looking car but it is not for everybody. However, the reliability, quietness, luxury and high quality are traits that move it to the front of my new car list!
Body: 4DR V6 XLE
Color: Titanium Metal
Interior: Ash
Stock#: T000430
Model#: 2554
VIN#: JTNBK46K273000430
Delivered Internet Price: $30,201 - This is the price you pay
Factory Invoice: $27,945
MSRP: $31,039
Freight, PA. Inspection Included.
Tax, Tags, Title, Documentary Fee $55 Excluded
Features
- CF
FACTORY INSTALLED OPTIONS
CF - CARPETED FLOOR MATS
DK - PREFERRED OWNERS PORTFOLIO
FE - 50 STATE EMISSIONS
HD - HEATED SEATS
NV - NAVIGATION SYSTEM
SK - SMART KEY SYSTEM
VS - VEHICLE STABILITY CONTROL
I think the grill is a love/hate thing(I love it), but these vehicles should sell really well.
They appear like a much more expensive car than they are.
I was looking at all the other models last W/E that were out next to the new Camry. Everyone had a smooth flat top surface flowing down to a smooth rearquarter.
8 dealers and thru Costco in Seattle area.
Got the 1st price back: $27,145 MSRP, $25,143 + tax and license, factory order. Same as Fitzmall pricing.
That dealer was not a Costco dealer but he said Costco pricing normally would be 3.5% over invoice, which would be more than his quote.
We'll see.............
Toyota claims this is a safety feature. However, Acura and others let you do it.
I believe that current pricing by Fitzmall of approximately $600 to $700 over invoice is going be a reasonably consistent with what an informed buyer will be able to get the car for. Carsdirect (where I've bought my last two Toyotas) does not offer the 2007 Camy yet, and they say they have no idea when they will start selling it. Carsdirect is currently doing the 2006 Camrys (all models and options combinations) for $1,000 below invoice as they have been all year. Therefore, $600 over invoice for a 2007 comparably equipped Camry sounds like a reasonable indicator to me, given 2007 new attributes and generation.
However, only time and the market will tell.
pictures and also here pictures and description
ps. If you add everything up for invoice pricing Fitz is consistently 4-5 hundred higher. So I think you are paying at least a $1000 over invoice for each car. Or more...
Toyota dealers charge is $500 (+ or - $50).
That ends up being the dealers invoice price.
This is nothing new but may be a surprise for you.
The invoice price does not include any fees that may be charged by the manufacturer to dealers in a particular area of the country, such as local advertising fees. Edmunds.com does not track or provide such local fees.
If an advertising fee appears on the invoice, it is an actual cost that the dealer paid to the manufacturer when buying the vehicle. In other cases dealers may choose to write in their own ad fees on the consumer sales contract. However, in either case these advertising fees are just one example of the dealer's cost of doing business. As with all such dealer-itemized fees, consumers should treat as "negotiable" any advertising fee they are asked to pay.
While it is negotiable, on new "hot" models, there won't be much negotiation.
The intro of the ES350 will have no effect on Camry prices.
Toyota said Hyundai is absolutely targeting Toyota and not paying attention to anyone else and have made incerdible inroads into Toyota's customer base. Toyota has decided to fight back by drastically increasing supplies of Camry's over the next few years.
With its competitors all producing good mid-sized cars Toyota may have to discount the Camry heavily to attract new customers. That would increase sales but cut profits,something the company might have to do to protect its role as the maker of the best selling car in the U.S.
Toyota has a reputation of being very agressive when they see a competitior gaing strength and staying ahead of them.
Bottom line is, the grill is not an issue.
According to the pictures on pressroom.toyota.com, the Hybrid and XLE grilles have chrome inserts.
Don't know or care about the other models.
Higher price models generally get the better looking pieces!!!!!!!!!!!
Right at invoice before the rebate.
I noticed that also. Generally, Fitzmall indicates you can by almost any 2007 Camry XLE for about $600 over invoice.
I'm curious - its sounds like you are trying to 'special order' an XLE at $28,500, and it will take 3 weeks. Do you feel their price was higher or lower with a special order vs. something on the lot? I am warry of the hassle factor of special ordering - what if car comes in with a different option combination -- and the dealer does not really have the exact model/options/colors you request in the order. Good luck on your purchase.
Pick your model, color, interior, options and accessories. You know what the prices are before you go in.
Maybe have to leave a deposit.
Dealer orders your specs and factory builds and delivers it to the dealer.
Pick up in 4-8 weeks and drive away with what you want.
If it is built or ordered wrong, you are not obligated to buy what you did not order.
I guess that is harder than having a salesman sell you what he has in inventory or can trade with another dealer.
Take Command. You are the BUYER!!!!!
It does sound like that 2007 LE price is at or near invoice. Can you post the MSRP price from the sticker (an invoice if available). And, how was delivery charge, and adverising fees handled?
Thanks for the info.
The only downside I can think of is, if car arrives 4 to 8 weeks later and is somewhat different from your specifications, then you must decide if you'd take a slightly different car after that wait. Plus, what if someone else wanted your the car you special ordered, and stepped in with additional funds to take your car away after you've waited 6 weeks.
However, to get Navigation in an XLE 4 cyl in VA, special ordering may be the way to get it.
I'd be very curious to learn how your dealing goes as to pricing to expect on a special order.
BTW, Thanks for the info on new Lexus. It does look like the Camry. I think actually the Avalon would be more my speed as an alternative. I like the Avalon's looks better than Camry or Lexus, irrespective of price.
Thanks for the info on new Lexus. It does look like the Camry! I think actually the Avalon would be more my speed as an alternative. I like the Avalon's looks better than Camry or Lexus, irrespective of price.
The one thing I don't like about the Camry is the grill shape with the Toyota symbol running into the grill. I'd take the Avalon grill on the Camry if I could.
I didn't ask to see an invoice, I just used the one I got of kbb.com for my base price. I told them that $19,379 is what I'd pay, and they did the typical back and forth a few times and then agreed.
The reason I asked others for comparrison is that it almost seemed to easy to get that price. I expected more trouble.
Also, in my area, the 2006's LE Auto's (bascially the 2006 counterpart to what I bought) have been advertised consistently for between $16,500 and $17,100, which is below invoice. I'm afraid that in a month I'll see a 2007 auto LE advertized for $17,995 or something. If they could sell the 2006 for under invoice, why not the 2007.
I have factory ordered 7 or 8 times and never got a vehicle with options that I did not order.
I am at present asking all the dealers in the area for an XLE, telling that it will be a factory order, asking for their best price.
I have received 3 of 8 quotes back so far. When I get them all back I will evaluate them. The lowest price dealer so far is the closest and offers free loaner cars during service so that will be a consideration.
Before I go in to sign the order (the last two times I have just signed a fax order w/o a deposit) I will ask to see the deal written up so there is no wiggle room for the dealership. If they want a deposit, I will go see them and finalize the paperwork.
Special orders should be cheaper for the dealer as they are not financing the car while it sits in inventory.
I do no know how many vehicles a dealer can special order.
I expect to order my car early next week.