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Porsche 911



  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    6.5% over invoice on a new 2007 made to order is pretty good. I wouldn't travel the country to beat it by 1.5%.
  • Your advice has been very helpful! This is a very useful forum!
  • Is this for the new Turbo 911? The best deal I could find in California is $250 discount on MSRP on a 911 Turbo through Costco in Fremont, Ca. The airline ticket to Northern California would cancel out the discount.
  • XJT - Rear Ctr. Console Makassar
    M6A - Black Mats - Porsche lettering
    801 - Makassar Package
    680 - Bose High End Sound Package
    670 - Navigation for PCM
    C02 - U.S. Standard/Emissions
    446 - Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
    342 - Heated Front Seats
    P15 - Power Seat Package
    640 - Sport Chrono Package Plus
  • This was for a C2. Call half a dozen dealers from all over, that's what I did...and search their inventory online. I actually went to each dealer site from Maine to NC and then CA, IL, and OH. to see what was in inventory. Obviously, they'd rather sell you what is in stock first. As I was looking for stock C2s, there was almost nothing around except for black/black combos (I've already done black). I found a red one online that didn't even come with floor mats, but it was built for a customer. So, I was forced to have one built for me, which meant a 2007.

    My sense is that dealers think that all buyers have lots of cash at any income bracket--they want to push the cache concept to its furthest. I only went back to my local dealer after being really sure I had a good price from somewhere else, and was ok going there if necessary. Another thought: I test drove at this dealer 2 times and also put an offer in on a used car-- the salesman knew I was ready to buy. If they can really be convinced that you are really ready to buy, they take this a lot more seriously. Good luck!
  • "A national newspaper is looking to interview Porsche and BMW owners who use their car for “everyday driving,” from going to the grocery store to commuting to and from work, instead of just using the car during the weekends for nice drives. Please send an e-mail to no later than Monday, August 28, 2006 by 2:30 PM PT/5:30 PM ET containing your daytime contact information and what car you drive."

    Karen - can you tell me where/when this story ran? I am looking to get a 911, and it will be my only car which I will use for day-to-day commuting, etc. I'd like to see others' viewpoints. Thanks.
  • kyingkying Posts: 61
    I responded to this email in August, but no one contacted me afterward. At any rate, I am eager to read the story too.
  • dweiserdweiser Posts: 288
    Maybe we should ask if they contacted ANYONE from this Forum.
  • Habitat1, your analyses for the board are really right on and I think everyone learns a lot. Thanks.

    To add just one comment to your analysis, I've noticed that some Porsche sales guys have a born to the manor way about them. This might be helpful in dealig with what they perceive to be wannabes or arrogant MDs (I realize that this last description may be redundant to some). But I'll bet that the dealer-principal who is paying monthly juice to floor plan the cars and on his loan for the new building that Porsche made him build to their spec, knows to the penny who much it is going to cost him to keep a 997 in inventory for another four months. Maybe an email to him might do the trick?
  • FYI to all, there is a 2006 C2 with Bose, heated but manual seats (!), and zenons in Arctic Silver with 5000 miles on ebay this morning. It has a current bid of 63K and a "Buy It Now" of 69.5K. I don't think that 997s are selling well now in our soft economy.
  • Hello all! Great forum - tons of useful advice! And on that note, I'm hoping some of you will share your wisdom regarding my dilemna (a dilemna I'm enjoying, truth be told).

    Ever since I can remember I've wanted a new 911. The first car I bought myself was a 10 year old 928 S4, which I absolutely loved (had to sell it when I moved to the US). Owning that Porsche fuelled my desire to own a 911 even further, as did the servicing cost of the 928 (astronomical vs. a 911, but that's a different story...)

    Anyway, I visited a Porsche dealer today, and he convinced me to drive a Cayman S. What a car! It was absolutely thrilling to drive. He had me convinced that this was the way to go, until I got home and configured one online - $75K for the one I'd want. Considering a 997 C2S and C4S spec'd as I'd have them top out at $92K and $98K respectively (a difference in MSRP of about $17K to $22K), a Cayman S hardly seems worth it.... I didn't drive the C2S or C4S, so I can't compare the models unfortunately.

    ANYWAY, and to cut an already long story short (or at least wind it up quickly), I was hoping some of you would provide input on several fronts:

    1. PRICING: What sort of discount should I expect (perhaps a range) on these 3 models, MSRP'ing at $75K, $92K and $98K respectively. Maybe the price differential will shrink even further after the discount...

    2. REGRETS: I'm worried that I'd get the Cayman S, and then regret not spending a little extra to get the 911. Has anyone been in "my shoes" in this regard, and if so, what did you decide and did you regret the decision?

    3. CHILD SAFETY SEATS: One potential advantage of the 911 are the rear seats (for my two v. young kids). Do car seats or booster seats actually fit into the back of a 911? My dealer seems to think that most won't, and told me that Porsche discontinued their own brand of car safety seats. Even if some brands fit - how hard is it to actually fasten a child into a rear safety seat?

    4. AWD or C2S vs. C4S: Does AWD really make a significant difference in the wet, or does the car remain tail-happy? I live in an area that sees torrential rain quite often. While I want to feel safe, I don't want to go overboard and indulge in excessive options...

    Thanks to everyone who read this post! Your patience is GREATLY appreciated. :)
  • I can only respond to points #1 and #2. First, the amount of discounting is entirely contingent upon which dealer you are working with. Get your best quote, then shop it to dealers within an area you are able to work with geographically. You can probably get the best deal on 06 new models still in stock. Second, you need to drive the 911/911S before looking for third party opinions. Then buy which one feels best to you, and don't worry about regrets. Good luck.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    1. Pricing - I got nearly 10% off MSRP last September on a 2005 C2S Cab as the 2006's were just around the corner. Check into dealer inventories for 2006's on all of the models you are considering - finding one in stock that is close to what you want should get you the best discount, even if you have to take an extra option or two. If you want to custom order a 2007, you should be able to get a 5%= discount on a 911 and a 7%+ on a Cayman, based upon feedback from my dealer in the DC/Baltimore area. But the 2007 MSrP also went up over 2006, so consider the 2006 option.

    2. Regrets - I had been considering a Boxster S. But after I realized the 911 could be out "family" car, I went for the extra $35k+. Worth every penny. If you ever want to put those little ones in the back seat, you only have one choice.

    3. Child safety seats - don't know. My youngest was 7 and 52 lbs when we got ours. Now, at 8 & 11, they still fit well, although the 11 year old is growing quickly and is now within 1" of my 5'1" wife. I think she can grow another 3-4" before we have to cut off her food supply to keep her in the 911.

    4. AWD - I went the C2S route. The Cab is already 180+/- lbs heavier than the coupe. The extra weight and drivetrain power loss of the "4" means that you basically are using the extra 30 horsepower of the "S" to make the "4S" as quick as a base "2". I have had no difficulties in an occasional heavy rain. The car is NOT tail happy unless you really push it. If you really want the extra stability of the "4", I'd consider saving the extra money for the "S". If you want maximum dry weather performance, go with the "2S".

    Good luck. And remember, all of these are personal opinions. You can get any of the cars you are considering and still risk splitting your face with a wide grin.
  • I was in the same situation. The CaymanS was nicer to drive than the 911. The 911 looked better,had a more open interior and I used to own a 912.I ordered the 911 because it is the car I really wanted.The only must option is the xenon headlights.Another valuable option is a spare tire &jack unless you enjoy waiting for tow trucks.I have had my 911 for several months and very glad I made this choice. The bottom line is buy what you want.I am also glad I joined PCA where I foud out about the 997 spare tire in their tech section. Good Luck with your choice.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Another advantage of the 911 (besides the back seat) is actual engine bay access.

    I like to work on my own cars and the fact that you need a lift to access the engine really turned me off of the Cayman and Boxster. How is an owner supposed to do any "shade tree" maintenance?
  • I drove a Cayman service loaner recently and never had so much fun in a car. It was fantastic, although a little loud with the engine right behind your right ear. I think you'd have to get a good set of radar detectors (fore and aft) to avoid losing your liscense in one of these Go Karts. They are fun!
  • Don't get caught up with Porsche's overpriced options.Spend your money on track days or driving lessons to drive a Cayman or 911 closer to the cars potential. Both cars are excellent. I have a friend who worked as a driving instructor. He routinely beat Ferraris & Porsche Turbos with a 914-4 becuse he knew when to brake & spent a great amount of time learning to drive.
  • Any suggestions on storing my beloved 06' 997S for the winter would be greatly appreciated. Just turned viciously cold here in Calgary so may not be driving it for awhile. It is in a heated garage.
  • The service department where I bought my 997 said to over-inflate the tires with 50lbs of air to reduce flat-spots. I believe that a full tank of gas is also advisable - to reduce moisture buildup in fuel tank.
  • Add Stabl Gas treatment to your fuel tank and turn off the heat to your garage. Warm air promotes rusting.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I would check with your local dealer for their storage recommendations. hotrod81's suggestion of overinflating the tires makes sense, since that is what Porsche does when the cars are shipped form the factory. I have also heard it suggested that the battery be disconnected or connected to a trickle charger to prevent it from being completely discharged by the draw from the cars electrical components. I think Porsche sells a trickle charger specifically approved for the car. On the cold vs. warm, my dealer recommends warm (50+ degrees), as long as it's in a relatively dry area.
  • 2007 911 come with the tire pressure monitoring system as standard equipment. It was approx. a $550 option in 2006.I think it is also standard on the 2007 Cayman & Boxter.
  • you might want to get a Battery Maintainer also.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    "Another valuable option is a spare tire &jack unless you enjoy waiting for tow trucks.I have had my 911 for several months and very glad I made this choice."

    Tell us more about the spare tire and jack you got for your 911. Cost? Can it be mounted on front and/or rear? Does it take up all of the trunk? Did you get it through a Porsche dealer or other source?

    It sounds like you have already had one or more flats? I have 11,800 miles on the odometer and, knock on wood, still have good tread on both my front and rear tires. But I do get a little nervous thinking about how long it would take Porsche roadside assistance to find me on some of my longer (400 mile) road trips.
  • Thanks for everyones advice.

    Made a call to my service manager & he offered the following:
    -Inflate tires to 50 psi.
    -Full tank of gas.
    -Trickle charger plugged in . . came with my car.
    -Park the tires on cardboard, the lime from the concrete could react with the rubber, even if the floor is heated which mine is.
    Full tank of gas
    Lock it up and put it to sleep!
    Thanks again
  • I purchased the spare tire from my local Porsche dealer.It is not inflated. It takes up about 1/3 of the trunk. According to Porsche, it can be mounted on both front & rear.I haven't tried it out yet.You also must purchase a jack & wrench to remove the lug nut.No such wrench is included in the tool kit.You may also want to carry a bicycle pump since it is questionable that Porsche's electric pump will actually inflate the spare tire.The spare tire list is $783.85 The jack list price is $181.18 The dealer gave a 10% discount for PCA members. I can't say how valuable PCA has been in tech advice.The dues are a bargain. The majority of Porsche dealers don't even know the spare tire option exists. I had no success in locating the spare tire or jack from another source for less cost.
  • My salesman just called and said the new DSG tranny will not be available until the 2009 model year (this from a mysterious person "in-the-know" in Germany). My wife would like the car sooner than that. Any suggestions on getting the true introduction time frame?
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Thanks for the info on the spare tire. That's great that it only takes up 1/3 of the trunk. It is a little pricey for a temporary spare, but that seems to be Porsche's pricing strategy on options.
  • What's a spare tire good for if you have no space to store the tire that went flat? I looked at my rears (19" C2S) and they are huge. They will not fit in the trunk and if you have a passenger you're out of luck again.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Damn good point. I have a C2S as well and after work I will take out a tape measure out to check whether the 19" x 295 rear wheel/tire would fit in the trunk.

    One thing for sure, the C4 is out of luck. It's trunk is smaller than the C2. But, if I'm not mistaken, the 993/996 versions of the 911 carried a spare, so I think at least the 997 C2 with 18" wheels and 265 rear tires may work.
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