Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The 144S looks pretty nice but the price is kind of high. This is, after all, a 4-door and a 140 series--not a great car all in all. I think if it were a 240 2-door or wagon they might have a shot at $3,500 or so but you never know, there might be that one Volvo screwball and he might live near the car. For all the sweet talk about grandma they aren't shy about asking top dollar and then some.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Ooooh, nice color selection there: avocado green and mustard yellow.

    And that '67 Fairlane is a good example of how Detroit regularly messed up clean designs through yearly "facelifts." Take the nicely restyled '66 Fairlane and tinker with the grille and headlight surrounds, and voila -- not so pretty anymore.
  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "And that '67 Fairlane is a good example of how Detroit regularly messed up clean designs through yearly "facelifts." Take the nicely restyled '66 Fairlane and tinker with the grille and headlight surrounds, and voila -- not so pretty anymore."

    Reminds me of that car Chevy Chase drove in National Lampoon's "Vacation" movie.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,154
    Reminds me of that car Chevy Chase drove in National Lampoon's "Vacation" movie
    The 'family truckster'
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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    And that '67 Fairlane is a good example of how Detroit regularly messed up clean designs through yearly "facelifts." Take the nicely restyled '66 Fairlane and tinker with the grille and headlight surrounds, and voila -- not so pretty anymore.

    I never really was all that turned on by Fords 60's intermediates anyway, although I do have a soft spot for the '62-63 Meteor and '63-64 Fairlane. They were attractive little cars, especially in 2-door hardtop guise.

    Still, there's something about that '66 style that, I dunno...it just seemed kind of like a wallflower I guess. GM's mid/late 60's intermediates were usually drop-dead gorgeous, while the Mopars just had a sort of no-nonsense brutality about them.

    I wonder if having to make one platform suffice for both the Falcon and Comet/Montego/Fairlane/Torino, from 1966 onward, had something to do with it? Instead of having one dedicated compact platform and one dedicated midsized platform, it's like Ford just sort of split the middle with this one. Or maybe these '66-67 intermediates were just trying too hard to ape the style of the bigger cars? The '67 Galaxie/LTD got fussier in '67, although it was still good looking IMO. But maybe that's why the Fairlane got fussier looking, too?

    I do kinda like those later Fairlane/Torino fastbacks though...the ones that had the beltline kick up like a Barracuda. I think that was '68-69? And for some reason I like the '70-71 Torino, mainly the hardtops and convertibles, but here I think even the other models looked decent. Maybe because they were making them a bit wider, and they just looked more filled-out. Although I guess some people may say, fatter!
  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    I never really was all that turned on by Fords 60's intermediates anyway, although I do have a soft spot for the '62-63 Meteor and '63-64 Fairlane. They were attractive little cars, especially in 2-door hardtop guise.

    I once had an elderly neighbor who had a '64 two-door Fairlane hardtop. It was light yellow with a black top and one sweet automobile. It passed on to a grandson when he died. I'm sure he never cared for it the way his grandfather did.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    did a good job of mimicking the style of the bigger cars. I guess the '62 did as well, but I just never found it to be all that attractive. Neither it nor its full-sized counterpart.

    Maybe that's one reason I don't like the '65 Fairlane. That year, the full-sized cars were all-new, and had more squared-off, chiseled bodies, and stacked headlights. Ford tried to take the existing Fairlane and square it up and chisel it off, but it just made it kind of bulky looking. And they kept the headlights horizontal instead of stacked, but moved them inboard a bit. I guess it's possible that it would've been too expensive to redesign the front to accept stacked headlights for the final year of that body style, as an all-new one was coming for '66. But now that I think about it, the '65 Comet, which was the last year for that compact style, went to stacked headlights that year, and I thought was really attractive.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,626
    On a similar note, I have always liked the 63-65 Falcon 2 door HTs, kind of neat little cars.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    68 Buick Skylark---oh, so now they are doing "future value appraisals"? What do you do, take the appraisal with you when you set the time machine forward---LOL!

    71 chrysler "muscle car" ---well I see that the term "muscle car" has been rendered as meaningless in the car world as the word "genius" is in Hollywood.

    $6000 51 Ford---try $2,500 and be happy.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    I like that Newport but yeah, it definitely AIN'T a musclecar! Too bad it doesn't say what engine it has in it, though. This was the first year they started offering 360's, so it could have anything from a 255 hp 360-2bbl on up to a 370 hp 440-4bbl. I'd imagine it has a 383, though.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Hmmm, looks like a heavily "massaged" Ford Crown Vic wagon from the 80s, with a 70s paint color of course. Am I correct? I love those widely separated slabs of fake wood, including the ones on the hood.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    I always thought the '65 Fairlane was a rather ugly car, not Edsel or Aztek ugly, but in the second tier.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    Hmmm, looks like a heavily "massaged" Ford Crown Vic wagon from the 80s, with a 70s paint color of course. Am I correct? I love those widely separated slabs of fake wood, including the ones on the hood.

    I've actually seen a color close to that "Metallic Pea" on some GM cars in the 80's, but I dunno if Ford actually offered it. Scarily enough though, I have seen Crown Vic and Colony Park wagons with the same taillight treatment as what the Wagon Queen Family Truckster had. Y'know, where they basically just doubled up the taillights on the tailgate, putting a right-side taillight on the left of the gate and a left-side on the right. I wonder if that was actually an option for these wagons, or if people did it to pay homage to "National Lampoon's Vacation"?

    When the Navigator came out, I thought its taillights looked vaguely like the Truckste's, too, with the extra lights doubled up on the tailgate in an attempt to differentiate it from the Expedition.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    Yeah, the '65 Fairlane isn't exactly a beauty queen. Agreed, there are much uglier cars out there, but again, compared to GM's gorgeous '65 lineup, the Fairlane just looked dumpy. Sort of makes me think of something that they'd use for a government/fleet car/taxi.

    Here's a '64 Fairlane for comparison. Again, not exactly a beautiful car, especially in 4-door form, but I just think it has a bit more flair to it than the '65. Ditto the '63 Fairlane. I like that front-end with the concave grille.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,154
    looks like a heavily "massaged" Ford Crown Vic wagon from the 80s
    From what I read you're correct, an '83 modified by Barris Customs.
  • akanglakangl Member Posts: 3,282
    Yeah, the '65 Fairlane isn't exactly a beauty queen. Agreed, there are much uglier cars out there, but again, compared to GM's gorgeous '65 lineup, the Fairlane just looked dumpy. Sort of makes me think of something that they'd use for a government/fleet car/taxi.

    My hubby is taking offense to you guys calling a 65 Fairlane ugly, lol. He had one that was his pride and joy, a 2-dr that he fixed up nice, wide tires on the back, nice wheels, jacked up the back a little, and changed the interior a bit. He'd love to get his hands on another one, he had nothing but compliments on his first one which was totalled by a stupid driver in CA.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    A guy about a mile down the road from me has a fire engine red '63 Fairlane sedan. I don't think it ever gets driven, though. :(
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The owners of the 1968 Buick Skylark convertible describe it as having once been "robin's egg blue" with a white top. Most likely it was the same Teal Blue Mist as my 1968 Buick Special Deluxe wagon which also had a white top. These people seem to know as well as I do how great the Buick 350 mated to the 2-speed automatic was.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    Regarding that Skylark convertible, a lady in my office has been looking for a 60s project car for her newly-retired husband to tinker with. She was VERY pumped by the ad for AMY the Buick Skylark.

    Regardless of Shifty's disparaging remarks about forecasting future value of an as-yet unrestored "classic" (old car), one must admit that a convertible Skylark has more upside potential than the semi-sporty hardtop intermediates (read 1967 Olds Cutlass Supreme 350) that they had been looking at. :P

    I'll let you know if they buy it. - james
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The Country Squire and Colony Park had different kinds of taillights. The Colony Park may have had modest extensions into the tailgate, but the Country Squire only had the rectangular portions on the edges. I think somebody is actually paying homage to the Truckster when you see them doubled-up.

    "The Wagon Queen Family Truckster: If You Hate It Now, Wait 'Til You Drive It." Sad thing is, the preignition/dieseling condition the car had when Mr. Griswold shut it off reminded me of my Dad's equally crappy 1972 Ford LTD Country Squire. I think Clark Griswold originally wanted the Sport Wagon in Blue Frost. Does anybody recall that the car he was trading was a 1972 Olds Vista Cruiser that was flattened by the unscrupulous dealer?

    Anybody recall where the fuel filler was on the Truckster?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I wasn't disparaging the car at all. You might have misunderstood. I was disparaging the idea of "appraising" something that does not exist. How can you write an appraisal on an object in the future? One has no idea of the quality of the restoration, the market for the car in a few years, etc.

    It just struck me as absurd to present the car as "appraised".
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    No, no, no... I understood, and I agree. It's like having a rose-colored, crystal ball. :P

    james
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,626
    If you look closely, the immaculate looking Vista Cruiser Clark drives up in is replaced by a weathered example in the crusher.

    The Truckster fuel filler was on the top of the front fender near the hood I think. Not discovered until you rip off the rear plate and make it land on an AMC Eagle, of course.

    When your car diesels at shutoff, just say "all new cars do that". And we can't forget "hey look, an airbag" which was really a household trash bag coming from under the steering wheel.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,626
    Good luck. It'd be cool to point out a car here that someone actually buys.

    I thought for 4 grand that old ebast looked like a decent deal.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Dude only 1.8 million I just need to call in a few favors.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,154
    For that kind of money, wouldn't most got-more-money-that-whatever types want to build it to their specs? I wonder what that does to resale up in this price range?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well so much for the "if I win a million dollars in the lottery I'm going to buy my dream car".

    Sorry Charlie, it's not enough anymore.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Probably but I kind of like that color combo.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I love the ad copy that says: "priced right".
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Me too it made me chuckle.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    So much for the myth about "these cars can go 500K miles no problem"

    note the ad copy: "July 20 1995 at 178,240 - Metric Long Block Engine "

    Mercedes 280SE 4.5 == time for the wrecker on this one.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,154
    Also wondered about "October 4, 2005 327,932 - Front Bumper, Radiator, New Grill, Bumper Skin and Radiator" - accident?
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    The Truckster fuel filler was on the top of the front fender near the hood I think.

    Yep, same place it was on the Corvair. :surprise:

    When your car diesels at shutoff, just say "all new cars do that".

    My truck does that after it warms up, but I think the timing is so far off it's in a different time zone.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    ahhh, yes, I remember when all new cars DID do that! :sick: Mom's '80 Malibu tended to do it. I think the last time I had a vehicle do it was when the fast idle got stuck on my '85 Chevy pickup a few years back. The only way to really make it shut off was to park it, take off the top of the air cleaner, and close the flap to the carb all the way and cut off its air supply.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Our 59 Series II Diesels sometime on warm days for maybe five or ten seconds after you shut it off.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,626
    I am sure it was just some cosmetic upgrades :sick:

    Actually, the radiators on these cars are only given a lifetime of somewhere around 150-200K miles, I think.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,626
    I suspect that poor 4.5 in 5 years will be a stillborn 302/350 conversion project. With $1200 being about 25 Euro at todays rate, perhaps it could be exported in a load of other cars.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,626
    A friend of mine has an 83 Monte Carlo, and it will diesel, but only if you turn it off with the AC or defrost on. It's pretty funny, somehow.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    it wouldn't even pay to ship it to Europe. They don't want those either :P Really, it needs to be junked and broken up to keep better cars on the road. If it does go to Europe, it will be to Turkey as scrap metal for teapots.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,626
    I guess I just think it is sad, it looks like a nice car.

    But even good W111 fintails bring more than those things, both here and there. I do know of several fintails that have made it back to Germany, and that will likely increase with currency trends.
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes Member Posts: 1,019
    I had a '76 Cutlass that would run for a minute after you shut it off.

    Switching it off in Drive helps.
    2012 Mustang Premium, 2013 Lincoln MKX Elite, 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    I had a '76 Cutlass that would run for a minute after you shut it off.

    Switching it off in Drive helps.


    I remember trying that with my pickup a couple times, and that would usually kill it. Isn't that bad on the engine, though?

    Now that I think back on it, I remember the fast idle on my '68 Dart would sometimes stick in cold weather. Giving it a good, fast, hard stomp on the gas pedal would usually make it kick down, though. I remember one cold morning, pulling into a gas station on the way to work, and doing that to make it calm down before turning it off. This old guy walked over to me, feeling sorry for the car I guess, and asked me "How much would you take for it, so I can keep you from tearing it up?" :surprise:
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes Member Posts: 1,019
    I remember hearing if you rev an engine before shutting it off, the engine keeps spinning, but the oil pump is no longer lubricating. When you start it again, there isn't enough oil in the bearings and cylinder walls.
    2012 Mustang Premium, 2013 Lincoln MKX Elite, 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    I gotta confess I like both of those cars. That '61 LeSabre is nice looking...love the color, and I like seeing a 4-door hardtop in nice condition.

    I thought those LeBaron GTS/Lancer cars were pretty sharp looking when they first came out. Pretty good evolution of the K-car. I still remember the commercials for them where they had the audacity to compare them to Audis and BMWs and Benzes while that WW-2 tune "Over There" was playing in the background...as if these spiffed up K-cars had a chance of beating the premium European cars off our shores! I do remember one rag calling these things "What the Tempo/Topaz SHOULD have been". In retrospect, not the greatest cars in the world but hey, it WAS the 80's.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,103
    I remember hearing if you rev an engine before shutting it off, the engine keeps spinning, but the oil pump is no longer lubricating. When you start it again, there isn't enough oil in the bearings and cylinder walls.

    Oh I wouldn't shut it off WHILE it was revving fast like that. I'd just give it a good stomp to try to make the fast idle kick off, and then once it slowed down, shut it off.
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