I still don't see the problem in letting a handful of nutty enthusiasts bring in some freakshow cars. The doors are pretty open in Canada, and it's not like Vancouver is clogged with grossly polluting 80s grey market deathraps - just an oddball car here and there.
I do agree some restrictions are good in areas with population and climate suitable for air problems. I also believe commercial vehicles shouldn't be so exempt.
96 BMW 318 -- never liked those cars. Engines are weak and the tops rattle.
95 Mustang V6 -- you could buy an entire running V8 Mustang for the price of a used motor and the installation cost.
73 Spitfire -- maybe $650 bucks. You can always sell the hardtop if the car turns out to be a turkey.
Impala SS -- it's the 1996 that everyone wants, because of the console floor shifter. They are worth more than the '95 by a considerable margin. Talk about "niche within a niche" huh?
Dodge Truck -- I swore a blood oath that I would never ride in a truck that had a "keep on truckin' sticker or mudflaps and that I would never listen to a song that had the words "pretty mama' in it. I have kept that vow religiously.
When my sister graduated from high school many years ago, dad surprised her with a '62 Chevy II painted the most brilliant light green you ever saw. Had a big red, white, and blue peace sign in the back window and a great stereo. She was in heaven, being the hippy-freak she was.
It was years later that it finally dawned on her that with that car, he knew exactly where she had been and where she was going. Being her younger brother, I thought it was hysterical that she couldn't figure out how dad knew when she was somewhere she shouldn't be.
A neighbor has a 2001 BMW 740il with 125K miles on it. They think they are giving it away at $10.5K, particularly since they just spent $4K on it getting it in top condition. I'd be interested at some price, but $10.5 isn't what I had in mind.
The local Porsche Audi dealer has a 1996 MB S500 Coupe with 85K miles on it for only $8.5K. What could possibly go wrong with such a well built car?
You don't want a miled up 740 at any price, not even for free. If they give it to you, sell it as fast as you can. They might sell it to some poor soul for $8000. That car is definitely on my S list.
The MB is more attractive but still considerably overpriced. About $5000--$5500 is right for this car in the 2009 economy. That's about what you'd get for it on Autotrader if you had to dump it right now. I'm sure the dealer didn't even pay that for it. But I bet you can bargain down, and the miles aren't too bad.
Once you go over 100K miles on an old German luxury car, it's in the tank, value-wise.
You don't want a miled up 740 at any price, not even for free. If they give it to you, sell it as fast as you can. They might sell it to some poor soul for $8000. That car is definitely on my S list.
LOL, figures that the one BMW I really like the looks of, would be on Shifty's S-list! :P
Galves is what DEALERS use to sell you something. Shifty's book is what I use to BUY something.
This is an ugly market right now. The price guides are behind at least 3 months/6 months. They are a tad optimistic.
Yeah, I think $8K on the BMW is the sweet spot, but I wouldn't have the car at any price. It's just a disaster waiting to befall some new owner IMO.
I'll bet you a big lunch your neighbors have a) numerous electrical failures b) many interior trim pieces falling off c) perished front and rear windshield weatherstripping d) a check engine light that shows up every 3 months e) bad control arm bushings f) a failed brake light warning that mysteriously comes and goes.
Actually, Galves is what dealers use to buy cars around here. So if I drove that bimmer to a dealer in NJ, that is the $$ they will give me. And Galves (online version) is actually very up-to-date. 99.9% of the time, it is right in line with what volvomax posts from the auction reports.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
I've talked with Terry about this is the past. He laughs at the guys with the books, but they are there. I've yet to meet an NJ dealer who doesn't use Galves. Its helpful to me because I know the numbers better than the salesperson does. It is very region-specific. I know Galves applies to NJ, NY, PA, and I believe CT. That's probably about it. Like I said, they seem to coincide with the auction numbers 99% of the time ... but there is always that 1%.
If you think about it, a market could be completely self-contained with its own pricing (which pretty much is the case here). I mean, if all dealers in Nj got together and said "All trades are worth $20k no matter what, and all used cars sell on the lot for $24k no matter what." ... well, then that's what the prices/values will be. No books, no auction values, no excuses. They've made the market.
So, as long as all dealers use Galves here, that's fine with me. My trade value is dictated by it and what I pay is $1500 over.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
We use Manheim auctions and they would, I think, undercut Galves on those particular cars. But you know, I'm not a day to day dealer, and I do firmly adhere to the manta "Every used car is different". So if that '96 Benz were a real sweetheart of a car, then sure, it'll bring more money than the "conceptual used car" i have only in my head.
this is why (duh) I will never appraise a car and sign my name to it unless I see it and inspect it personally.
As for the BMW, I don't care what the book says--that's a car you really want to stay away from.
"What could possibly go wrong with such a well built car? "
HVAC, wiring harness and other wiring issues due to "eco-friendly" plastics which decompose, and I think those cars have occasional power steering issues. Probably 5 or 6 grand of little ailments to fix up. Otherwise, they aren't too bad - better than what came later. I used to not like the 140 series cars as they are so big and blunt, but they are growing on me as nice ones are getting harder to find. Those cars have attracted the wannabe gangster crowd, and the cars are run into the ground.
I'd buy the MB before the BMW easily. You could probably knock a grand off the MB as well, given the dealer it is at.
As long as we're on the topic of values, what do you think would be a good price to sell my 1996 Volvo 850 for, if I wanted to sell it this year? (Note: I have no plans to get rid of it any time soon) The car is a base sedan and has 86k miles on it. It is fully loaded and in mint condition because I take it out only on nice days. My personal guess would be around $5500.
Another question: Would you recommend an 850 over a similar-vintage German luxury car to anybody?
To answer the original question - no, I am not complete crazy. My wife really likes the 740, but I have pretty much steered her away from it. What surprises me is the opinion on the S500. I figured it was even a bigger money pit than the 7 series.
It seems to me that 5-series and 7-series shouldn't be too different in reliability, but according to Consumer Reports when comparing the late '90s and early '00s models the 5-series is a little bit above average in reliability and the 7 series is way below average. Do you suppose it is just all the added luxury items or is a BMW V8 less reliable than their I6? Maybe I should avoid 540s too.
I'm right with boomy on this one. He's nailed it IMO.
No, I wouldn't personally recommend an 850 but I wouldn't necessarily throw my body in front of anyone trying to buy one, as I might with a 740/750 BMW.
I want to stress that my 850 is a base model - however, it has a lot of features usually not found on a low-end Volvo, such as traction control, leather, premium sound system, etc. It's a clean car, one that you'd be proud of if you saw it. I have to post a picture some time.
And Shifty, good to know how you feel about 850s vs. BMW 7-Series. What I love about the 850 is, unlike the German cars, it is easy to work on under the hood and usually more durable. They do, however, have little annoying electrical issues now and then.
I bought my 850 back in the beginning of 2005 for $7500. At the time, it only had 61k on it. It replaced a '93 850 that I wrecked in an accident. And yes, the early 850s ('93-'95) had well-documented automatic transmission failures.
In 1996, the 850 came in four trim levels: base, GLT, Turbo, and R. The base and GLT trims came with the naturally-aspirated 168-hp 2.4-liter inline-5, and offered the choice between a 5-speed and 4-speed automatic. The Turbo came with a 2.3-liter turbocharged five, making 222 horsepower. The R was the cream of the crop of the Volvo lineup that year, with a specially-calibrated version of the turbo engine making 240 horsepower. Both Turbo and R trims were only available with the automatic, and can be distinguished from lesser 850s by their square tailpipe tips.
Your wife's friend does not have an 850 - rather, she has an S70, which is essentially a reskinned 850. The GLT SE was a one-year only model that was offered during the final year of the run (2000), and it came equipped with the light-pressure turbocharged 2.4-liter five, making 190 horsepower and mated to the then-new 5-speed automatic. SE models had a higher content of standard features to distinguish it from regular GLTs, such as a wood-trimmed steering wheel and shifter, trip computer, 10-speaker audio system, and special alloy rims.
S70s and V70s were offered from 1998 until 2000, when they were redesigned on the new P1 platform. The S70 was renamed the S60, which, amazingly, is in its 9th model year, an eternity in the automotive world. The V70, of course, was the basis for the highly popular Cross Country wagons - which I am sure there are plenty of in your home state of Colorado.
You know, now that you mention it, her car is an S70.
Cool - thanks for the background on the SE. I don't know too much about the car, other than she bought it new and, according to my wife, her friend is a bit of a speed demon behind the wheel.
Yes, plenty of Cross Country's to be found in Colorado - popular with the folks who wouldn't be caught dead in a Subaru Outback.
I used to live in Colorado---I know what works in the snow...or I DID know when I lived there. I liked the Volvo XC high ground clearance, and the looks, but reliability---I don't trust 'em.
Miles are high but the price seems reasonable. If it's been cared for and the bugs worked out, there are worse gambles for the money, it's a lot of performance for the dollar. The powertrains are very solid, but the W203 is known to have electrical glitches. The AMG models are known to be more reliable than normal ones though, and they do have a following.
Low mileage ones can be had for several grand more. MY 2005 C55 can be found in the mid 20s without a problem. The market for such cars has collapsed. I suspect one could even pick up an 06 E55 in the low 30s if they negotiated hard. It's hard to be fiscally conservative with these deals out there.
Long Island was definately Camaroland. I was once the proud owner of an 89 RS (V8). I wonder what this guys pricing process was as he walked through that hell hole and figured that one Camaro was worth 2500 and the other worth 2300
Garbage. A quick trip to the crusher, then to the chipper and shredder, and then to Turkey and India for future tea pots. Let's not waste everyone's time with these delusions.
Actually quite a bit of car scrap metal does go overseas, mostly shipped out of New York harbor, so it's quite possible that today's trashed '81 Camaro will be tomorrow's Turkish teapot.
Even more interesting, a good portion of car scrap is sent back to Detroit, and this has been going on for decades, so it is also quite possible that molecules of a '55 Studebaker are embedded in your 2009 car.
Even more interesting, a good portion of car scrap is sent back to Detroit, and this has been going on for decades, so it is also quite possible that molecules of a '55 Studebaker are embedded in your 2009 car.
This is probably an old wive's tale er, I mean, urban legend, but I heard that in the late 1950's, the domestics started buying a lot of steel from Japan. Some radioactive steel from Hiroshima got mixed in, and Chrysler got a disproportionate amount of it, and that's why their 1957 cars rusted so quickly. Probably just an old urban legend, but I guess it makes for amusing banter around the keg on a hot Saturday afternoon!
Yeah, that does sound far-fetched but less far fetched is the idea that pre-atomic steel is useful for building NASA instruments. All steel made after 1945 will contain some radioactivity.
Some of these will be worth some real (taxpayers') money if the cash-for-clunkers law is passed.
I guess but wouldn't bother me to see these particular cars scrapped, but I wouldn't be happy if the owner got a windfall at the taxpayers' expense. On second thought, it would bother me some that the parts would be lost.
Well the reason for that is probably because nobody wants certain old cars---no interest=no aftermarket. One can often tell which cars will be collectible in the future by which ones are now developing small aftermarkets or if not that, a vast network of parts hoarders. There's no such thing for most 80s cars. Even the Nash Metropolitan has an aftermarket.
the first true "collectible car" which I would say was the Model A Ford, still has a considerable aftermarket---giant, in fact.
I see aftermarkets in place for Miatas, Mazda Rotaries, of course Mustangs, MINIs old and new, Jaguar, Triumph, MG, Austin Healey, Benz BMW, Ferrari Fiat, etc.
The domestic aftermarkets seem to stop aburptly in the late 70s, early 80s and I haven't seen anything for Front-Drivers.
So no interest=no aftermarket=no preservation=no survivors.
With all due respect to Andre, the 1980's can be best characterized as Detroit's version of that embarrassing freshman year in college.....the year when you first started to grow your hair long, and dress wildly in the fashion of the day, but still had pimples.....everywhere... the year you got so drunk that you passed out 15 feet from your dorm room.... 12 times. The year you almost flunked out of all your classes. Pollution controls were definitely the equivalent of Freshman Chemistry for Detroit, and they failed it miserably. :sick: Best burn the yearbook and pretend that year (in this case decade) never happened.
This guy's back yard, Andre, is why you must never, ever, play the lottery. If you were to win, you'd run around saving all those ugly puppies from the decade best forgotten..... Of course, you'd do it with much more class and style than this guy, but by the time YOU reached your 80's you'd become the Mopar equivalent of a cat lady....
Well, so far, this is about the worst I've been able to muster up. So I have a ways to go to catch up to that guy in Lawn Guyland. This was one of those rare shots where I managed to get just about everything I own in one picture. The only thing missing is my DeSoto, which is at my grandmother's. And at least in this case, the two Pontiacs and the 5th Ave got put back in the garage. Since then, I've also moved the Dart onto the driveway, so it's sitting about where the blue NYer is in this pic, and the NYer is currently parked about where the Intrepid is.
And at least most of the cars in this pic can move under their own power, although the LeMans is currently dead. My guess is either a bad coil, distributor, or wire somewhere, but I haven't had the time to mess with it. And the Dart, at least, can still be rolled around or towed...I imagine some of that Lawn Guyland guy's cars would probably fall apart if you tried to move them. Oh, there's also a '52 Benz in that pic, but it's kinda hidden away.
And I'll admit, there are 80's cars I wouldn't mind having...mainly midsize and full-size RWD GM products, or an '80-83 Cordoba/Mirada or '81-83 Imperial. And 70's mastodons always fascinate me...mainly GM and Mopar. The Fords, for some reason, don't do it for me as much. If I ever got rich and went the "cat lady" route though, I'm going to make sure to buy up a lot of land somewhere where it's cheap and taxes are low. And I'd also try to put up some big warehouse-type buildings, to protect my ugly puppies from the elements.
If I were the rich "cat lady" type, there'd be warehouses in Philly full of 1977-84 Buick Park Avenues, 1977-84 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eights, 1977-79 Cadillac DeVilles and Fleetwoods, and 1987-92 Cadillac Broughams. I'd avoid Cadillac's dark period of 1981-86.
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But seriously, any smog ridden city then. Emissions laws are good where they are necessary.
You have to begin to choke to death to appreciate them however. They seem absurd in areas of scant population.
A more recent European convertible
V8 Conversion?
Unmolested 5 sp Civic
What is the offer for this?
After enjoying unbelievably resiliant resale value for years, the price of these have come back down to Earth
Not for everyone
I do agree some restrictions are good in areas with population and climate suitable for air problems. I also believe commercial vehicles shouldn't be so exempt.
The Triumph is worth a nickel maybe.
Is that rust holes I see in the rear passenger fender of the Civic?
I have noticed those Impala prices falling too.
96 BMW 318 -- never liked those cars. Engines are weak and the tops rattle.
95 Mustang V6 -- you could buy an entire running V8 Mustang for the price of a used motor and the installation cost.
73 Spitfire -- maybe $650 bucks. You can always sell the hardtop if the car turns out to be a turkey.
Impala SS -- it's the 1996 that everyone wants, because of the console floor shifter. They are worth more than the '95 by a considerable margin. Talk about "niche within a niche" huh?
Dodge Truck -- I swore a blood oath that I would never ride in a truck that had a "keep on truckin' sticker or mudflaps and that I would never listen to a song that had the words "pretty mama' in it. I have kept that vow religiously.
It was years later that it finally dawned on her that with that car, he knew exactly where she had been and where she was going. Being her younger brother, I thought it was hysterical that she couldn't figure out how dad knew when she was somewhere she shouldn't be.
The local Porsche Audi dealer has a 1996 MB S500 Coupe with 85K miles on it for only $8.5K. What could possibly go wrong with such a well built car?
You don't want a miled up 740 at any price, not even for free. If they give it to you, sell it as fast as you can. They might sell it to some poor soul for $8000. That car is definitely on my S list.
The MB is more attractive but still considerably overpriced. About $5000--$5500 is right for this car in the 2009 economy. That's about what you'd get for it on Autotrader if you had to dump it right now. I'm sure the dealer didn't even pay that for it. But I bet you can bargain down, and the miles aren't too bad.
Once you go over 100K miles on an old German luxury car, it's in the tank, value-wise.
Galves market-ready trade value is $6175 w/out sport or $6775 with.
So $8k-$8500 is about all the private party money. Could see $9k, I suppose. So they aren't terribly out of whack with their asking price.
Edit: Shifty is a bit short on the Benz, according to Galves. Trade in is in the $6500 zip code.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
LOL, figures that the one BMW I really like the looks of, would be on Shifty's S-list! :P
This is an ugly market right now. The price guides are behind at least 3 months/6 months. They are a tad optimistic.
Yeah, I think $8K on the BMW is the sweet spot, but I wouldn't have the car at any price. It's just a disaster waiting to befall some new owner IMO.
I'll bet you a big lunch your neighbors have a) numerous electrical failures b) many interior trim pieces falling off c) perished front and rear windshield weatherstripping d) a check engine light that shows up every 3 months e) bad control arm bushings f) a failed brake light warning that mysteriously comes and goes.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
maybe west coast pricing is different because we have a glut of high-miled German cars begging to be sold right now.
Dealers don't use Galves out here at all. I suspect there is a reason for this.
Well price guides are just "guides". There's no right or wrong price guide--well maybe NADA on-line LOL!
I've talked with Terry about this is the past. He laughs at the guys with the books, but they are there. I've yet to meet an NJ dealer who doesn't use Galves. Its helpful to me because I know the numbers better than the salesperson does. It is very region-specific. I know Galves applies to NJ, NY, PA, and I believe CT. That's probably about it. Like I said, they seem to coincide with the auction numbers 99% of the time ... but there is always that 1%.
If you think about it, a market could be completely self-contained with its own pricing (which pretty much is the case here). I mean, if all dealers in Nj got together and said "All trades are worth $20k no matter what, and all used cars sell on the lot for $24k no matter what." ... well, then that's what the prices/values will be. No books, no auction values, no excuses. They've made the market.
So, as long as all dealers use Galves here, that's fine with me. My trade value is dictated by it and what I pay is $1500 over.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
this is why (duh) I will never appraise a car and sign my name to it unless I see it and inspect it personally.
As for the BMW, I don't care what the book says--that's a car you really want to stay away from.
HVAC, wiring harness and other wiring issues due to "eco-friendly" plastics which decompose, and I think those cars have occasional power steering issues. Probably 5 or 6 grand of little ailments to fix up. Otherwise, they aren't too bad - better than what came later. I used to not like the 140 series cars as they are so big and blunt, but they are growing on me as nice ones are getting harder to find. Those cars have attracted the wannabe gangster crowd, and the cars are run into the ground.
I'd buy the MB before the BMW easily. You could probably knock a grand off the MB as well, given the dealer it is at.
Another question: Would you recommend an 850 over a similar-vintage German luxury car to anybody?
It seems to me that 5-series and 7-series shouldn't be too different in reliability, but according to Consumer Reports when comparing the late '90s and early '00s models the 5-series is a little bit above average in reliability and the 7 series is way below average. Do you suppose it is just all the added luxury items or is a BMW V8 less reliable than their I6? Maybe I should avoid 540s too.
Is it fully loaded or base :confuse:
I say $3000 - $4000 range.
Here's one in your area, asking $3900
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
No, I wouldn't personally recommend an 850 but I wouldn't necessarily throw my body in front of anyone trying to buy one, as I might with a 740/750 BMW.
And Shifty, good to know how you feel about 850s vs. BMW 7-Series. What I love about the 850 is, unlike the German cars, it is easy to work on under the hood and usually more durable. They do, however, have little annoying electrical issues now and then.
I was going to say around 4000-4500 too. A Volvo enthusiast who falls in love with the car might pay at the high end.
In 1996, the 850 came in four trim levels: base, GLT, Turbo, and R. The base and GLT trims came with the naturally-aspirated 168-hp 2.4-liter inline-5, and offered the choice between a 5-speed and 4-speed automatic. The Turbo came with a 2.3-liter turbocharged five, making 222 horsepower. The R was the cream of the crop of the Volvo lineup that year, with a specially-calibrated version of the turbo engine making 240 horsepower. Both Turbo and R trims were only available with the automatic, and can be distinguished from lesser 850s by their square tailpipe tips.
One of my wife's friends drives an 850 - not sure of the model year, but on the trunklid it states "GLT-SE".
Was this some sort of special edition of the 850 - and, if so, how was it different?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Your wife's friend does not have an 850 - rather, she has an S70, which is essentially a reskinned 850. The GLT SE was a one-year only model that was offered during the final year of the run (2000), and it came equipped with the light-pressure turbocharged 2.4-liter five, making 190 horsepower and mated to the then-new 5-speed automatic. SE models had a higher content of standard features to distinguish it from regular GLTs, such as a wood-trimmed steering wheel and shifter, trip computer, 10-speaker audio system, and special alloy rims.
S70s and V70s were offered from 1998 until 2000, when they were redesigned on the new P1 platform. The S70 was renamed the S60, which, amazingly, is in its 9th model year, an eternity in the automotive world. The V70, of course, was the basis for the highly popular Cross Country wagons - which I am sure there are plenty of in your home state of Colorado.
Cool - thanks for the background on the SE. I don't know too much about the car, other than she bought it new and, according to my wife, her friend is a bit of a speed demon behind the wheel.
Yes, plenty of Cross Country's to be found in Colorado - popular with the folks who wouldn't be caught dead in a Subaru Outback.
Oh, snap!
Given that we had 20" of wet, cement-like snow last week, that statement is truer that you might think.
Low mileage ones can be had for several grand more. MY 2005 C55 can be found in the mid 20s without a problem. The market for such cars has collapsed. I suspect one could even pick up an 06 E55 in the low 30s if they negotiated hard. It's hard to be fiscally conservative with these deals out there.
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What was going through his mind as he accumulated all of these?
Lawn Guyland must have been a Camaro enclave back in the day.
Think that's all they'd charge to come and get 'em?
Even more interesting, a good portion of car scrap is sent back to Detroit, and this has been going on for decades, so it is also quite possible that molecules of a '55 Studebaker are embedded in your 2009 car.
This is probably an old wive's tale er, I mean, urban legend, but I heard that in the late 1950's, the domestics started buying a lot of steel from Japan. Some radioactive steel from Hiroshima got mixed in, and Chrysler got a disproportionate amount of it, and that's why their 1957 cars rusted so quickly. Probably just an old urban legend, but I guess it makes for amusing banter around the keg on a hot Saturday afternoon!
I guess but wouldn't bother me to see these particular cars scrapped, but I wouldn't be happy if the owner got a windfall at the taxpayers' expense. On second thought, it would bother me some that the parts would be lost.
the first true "collectible car" which I would say was the Model A Ford, still has a considerable aftermarket---giant, in fact.
I see aftermarkets in place for Miatas, Mazda Rotaries, of course Mustangs, MINIs old and new, Jaguar, Triumph, MG, Austin Healey, Benz BMW, Ferrari Fiat, etc.
The domestic aftermarkets seem to stop aburptly in the late 70s, early 80s and I haven't seen anything for Front-Drivers.
So no interest=no aftermarket=no preservation=no survivors.
This guy's back yard, Andre, is why you must never, ever, play the lottery. If you were to win, you'd run around saving all those ugly puppies from the decade best forgotten..... Of course, you'd do it with much more class and style than this guy, but by the time YOU reached your 80's you'd become the Mopar equivalent of a cat lady....
And at least most of the cars in this pic can move under their own power, although the LeMans is currently dead. My guess is either a bad coil, distributor, or wire somewhere, but I haven't had the time to mess with it. And the Dart, at least, can still be rolled around or towed...I imagine some of that Lawn Guyland guy's cars would probably fall apart if you tried to move them. Oh, there's also a '52 Benz in that pic, but it's kinda hidden away.
And I'll admit, there are 80's cars I wouldn't mind having...mainly midsize and full-size RWD GM products, or an '80-83 Cordoba/Mirada or '81-83 Imperial. And 70's mastodons always fascinate me...mainly GM and Mopar. The Fords, for some reason, don't do it for me as much. If I ever got rich and went the "cat lady" route though, I'm going to make sure to buy up a lot of land somewhere where it's cheap and taxes are low. And I'd also try to put up some big warehouse-type buildings, to protect my ugly puppies from the elements.