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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I love that sentence----"IT ripped part of the center console".....I didn't do it....IT did it.

    Also his price estimates to repair things is much too low.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,413
    Galant Turbo AWD
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Somehow I think this is whispering your name...

    1998 Buick Park AVE ULTRA* SUPERCHARGED, LEATHER, 80K, DUAL EXHAUST
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    1974 Detomaso Pantera - 30K miles

    Why am I not Surprised?

    Masochists only please...Note the conveniently placed fire extinguisher

    PRICE DROP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    "Screams uniqueness and raw performance"

    gto phs documented Want to know what killed Pontiac?

    The car is interesting, but I bet this guy's story as a 'falling star' is even more interesting

    THIS M3 is more like it. Tempting at this price?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    "Exotic" Lancia Zagato --- someone please tell him it's a Fiat with a funny roof. A travesty of the once-glorious names of Lancia and Zagato. Dull as an infomercial.

    2005 Salvage Porsche --Ah, another member of the Telephone Pole Seekers of America Driving Club (the TPSADC).

    Qvale Mangusta -- a "staggering" 6800 rpm limit? Why, that's modern mini-van territory--LOL! Hard sell, nobody wants this car.

    2007 Porsche -- holy crap, an $1875 a month lease, into which he installed a custom $7000 stereo. Wonder what the leasor is going to think about THAT. This man must be stopped before he leases again. Not a sober consumer it seems.

    1999 M Convertible --seems fair enough.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    The '73 GTO didn't do it all by itself, but probably helped kill Pontiac. They only built around 4800 of them that year. Something like 4250 of them had the standard 230 hp 400, while only around 550 had the 455, which had 250 hp. The mighty had definitely fallen.

    There was a high-output 455 that had 310 hp, which was supposed to be made available for the Grand Am, Grand Prix, and GTO, but in the end it only went in the Trans Am. I'm sure if it had been made available, it would have been quite a brute.

    And if nothing else, at least Pontiac still kept the GTO fairly high in the HP pecking order that year. While 230 hp isn't much to brag about, the Grand Am, which was basically Pontiac's attempt at a more luxurious musclecar, and a step up in price, just had a 170 hp 400-2bbl standard.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    What's more pathetic is the 1974 GTO based on the Nova platform:

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    Of course, this is the most pathetic "muscle?" car of them all!

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    I don't think the Coyote would've had a problem catching this Road Runner!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Oh it got worse. For 1976, the Roadrunner moved to the Volare platform! As for the GTO, I always wondered which would win in a drag race...the '73 with its 230 hp 400-4bbl or the '74, with its 200 hp 350-4bbl? I've seen the '74 quoted as fast as 0-60 in 7.7 seconds if you got the 4-speed, but never have seen a time for a '73.

    That gray car beside the Roadrunner above almost looks like my old '89 Gran Fury. Except that mine didn't have the spotlight on the A-pillar, and the only time my Gran Fury ever went to Carlisle, I was put way up on the hill, which was sort of a no-man's land back then. I think that pic above might have been taken back when they still had the "Simmer Summer Carlisle" event, which was usually small enough that they actually had spectator parking on the fairgrounds.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I always liked the Park Avenues. I am a fan of large soft riding domestic cars. Cool car except I'm about 40 years too young for it. :P

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    How 'bout a Buick Regal T Type---you can go real fast for cheap.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    How much are the T-types going for these days? Seems like the Grand Nationals are getting out of reach, and the GNX has always been sort of untouchable, at least to my wallet!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    They seemed to be priced all over the map but I'd think you could buy a really nice one for $5000--$10000, as nice as you'd ever want.

    http://cars-on-line.com/20659.html

    A shining light in the Dark Dismal Depressing Disastrous Declining Detroit 80s.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    This is not a T-Type related comment, but I noticed an interesting thing a couple weeks back in Rapid City, SD.

    My wife had stopped at a clinic there to get her glasses repaired, so I had about 45 minutes to wander around the lawns outside the building giving both my daughter and dog a walk. As I passed the six parking spaces reserved for "handicapped" patrons, I noted that five of the six vehicles were Buick. The sixth? An Oldsmobile. I bet that was not necessary a common event, but it certainly grabbed my attention and made me chuckle.
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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,413
    What does everyone think?

    Can't afford this but it appears to be better built than most
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I like the 300ZX. It is rarte to find an unmolested example with decent mileage. From the looks of it I think this one is a 2+2 model although the seller does not mention it.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    I like that 300ZX, too. With all the good 3.0-3.5L v6 engines that Nissan, Honda, and Toyota make, I've wondered why there aren't more sports cars like this. No turbo is better to me. I wouldn't want a 2+2, but I'd live with it to get one this clean. I prefer this model's looks over the 350/370Z. I just hope he's better at taking care of the car than he is at spelling (including his name!?).
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    I was thinking 2+2 as well. He probably doesn't mention it because that means it is over 3500 lbs and not much of a sportscar without the turbo.

    I never liked that style. I much prefer my Z31. :)
    And I gotta go against texases. The 350z is one of the sexiest [affordable] cars on the road, IMHO.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Yeah, weight's a problem. I wish they built it to barely handle the 3l engine w/o the turbo, that'd take the pounds out. Kind of like a Miata, but designed for a 3l.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Worth the risk for $500?
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/1155920610.html

    Volvo 850 for $800 ?
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1160746403.html

    What's your answer for $1000, Fintail?
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ctd/1161178168.html

    302 V-8 engine purrs like a lion $1500
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1160399311.html

    "...still has the plastic on the back seat of the car"
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1160828207.html

    1979 FIAT SPIDER **** PRICE REDUCED **** 85,962 miles - $1950
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/ctd/1157849057.html

    1964 Buick Wildcat 2DR HT - $2250
    Solid body - no rust Good chrome, good glass, good tires, good interior, bad paint
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1160056426.html

    I don't think so on this car, but it's worth a look just for the line:
    " please no guns, jewelry or animals for trade offers please "
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1161215049.html
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Aurora Northstar -- would make a great name for a heroine in a detective novel, but not a great used car. Probably typical Northstar head gasket issue and a very dead engine. Parts car.

    Volvo 850 -- priced fairly at $800---parts are expensive for these suckers and no doubt he has pursued the bad idle issue until he's sick of trying. I'd take a shot at it.

    76 Mustang Ghia V8--- price is fair enough. Nasty looking engine compartment though.

    64 Wildcat-- price is exactly market correct for "fair" condition.

    79 Fiat -- for that money it should be clean and running. Worth maybe $750 bucks--seats look shot, engine looks like it hasn't run in years. No upside here. You could get $1500 in the UK for it.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    A grand for a beater W126? Why not...gas is still cheap, drive it til it dies, then part it out. I'm sure it's a clunker, but it's better looking than most in that price range.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    I'd consider the Benz, and the Wildcat, but the rest I'd junk.

    The Aurora is in too much of dissassembly to make it worth while fixing. You can probably find a running example for about a grand more.

    The Grand Prix looks ok too so a Pontiac fan with a lower trim Grand Prix might pick it up, swap in the functioning parts into the white one, and have a loaded car for little money.

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  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    I wish they built it to barely handle the 3l engine w/o the turbo, that'd take the pounds out.

    That's what the Silvia/180SX was for. 175-200 hp in a roughly 2500-pound coupe.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I have a tried and true method for buying cars like that old Benz. You start it up, let it idle while you play with every knob and switch. Make a list of what doesn't work. Then get out of the car, lift the hood, look for leaks, smoke and noise, top and bottom. Then get back in, look for overheat.

    Then take it for a ride and drive the hell out of it---stress the car. Go back, park it, and look again top and bottom.

    You'll know everything you need to know in about 20 minutes and decide.

    Can you live without AC? Yeah

    Can you live without heat and defrost? No

    4 bad tires? How much is that gonna cost me?

    Can I live without a sunroof? Yeah

    Check engine light? REJECT (at least in California---can't pass smog).
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    Re - that Benz - don't know why, but I'd also ask "can you live with the smell". That pic of the interior makes me wonder...
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Oh, yeah. That's a big one! I bought an Escort from a friend last summer. It was, overall, in fairly decent shape. The interior was very good.... aside from being extremely "doggy-ized." The hair, I figured, was something I could clean out. But, after the first hot day, I decided the odor was overwhelming and took it to a detail shop. They did a great job, and now the interior is nice, clean, and nearly free of dog odor, but not quite (especially on hot days).
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Old Benzes always seem to smell bad. I think it's something with the upholstery in the 80s. Smells like burnt electrics.
  • steven922steven922 Member Posts: 49
    Chevy project

    For Andre

    For Fintail?
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    Ponton guy needs to tell us what model he has and put the bumpers back on. If it's really really nice, he's not too far off, but I suspect he's a few grand high.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    ... does it qualify for the cash for clunkers bonus?

    And a question for the group: Aren't we all aghast at this?
    There goes my ready supply of cheap old conversion vans...

    -Mathias
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    It's a whole new ballgame in the old car hobby. With restoration costs so high, and paint and bodywork prohibitive, old pedestrian common cars lying around are just dreams for most people--that will never become a reality anymore unless they are already "hot" in the market. You could hold onto 99% of the cars on craigslist for another 50 years and they won't be worth a penny more than when you bought them. And that 1% we all already know about.

    What will survive are used cars in very very nice condition.
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    this one.

    Wow. 30 mile range max at 55mph. I wonder how long the ice lasts.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Might be fun for $1500 dollars. Not sure I want 6 twelve volt lead-acid batteries in my lap in a crash. Well I guess the ice could take the sting out of the acid burns..

    ever the optimist, I remain

    Shiftright
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,413
    This is the dorkiest looking Ferrari I've ever seen Like the A/T
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,423
    Gargantuan money pit and probably pretty boring to drive.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    If I'm not mistaken, this is one of the models that requires engine/out for any servicing. Figure maybe $1.50 per mile to drive it + fuel and insurance...so maybe 5,000 miles a year for $10K. This does not include repairs of any kind.
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    All of the expenses of driving a Ferrari with none of the fun....

    I think that 21K miles over 24 years tells you how much fun this one is.

    Sometimes I think there's a law that the sadder the Ferrari the bigger the prancing horse on the front fender has to be
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    On the "low end" of the Ferrari scale, a 4-valve injected 308 is the way to go.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,107
    "I think that 21K miles over 24 years tells you how much fun this one is."

    875 miles/year = "I'd better take it out for a drive, or the wife won't let me keep it around any more."
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Most Ferraris are very low miles.

    You can't sell a high mileage Ferrari to anyone, even a modern Ferrari. At about 60,000 miles, they are essentially parts cars in terms of value.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,413
    Old pickup

    Nicely done but far from original

    It's been a hard life

    Weird proportions

    Are the inside and the outside the same car?
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Back in a previous wife-time, I was a big Isuzu fanatic. The wife drove an '86 P'up and we also owned an '88 Trooper (4000 pounds and 120HP - woo hoo!).

    Strangely enough, I actually liked the "Space Cab" concept, though if I were to get one, it would have been 4WD and had the optional 31" tires. Probably killed the mileage, however.

    That Accord certainly doesn't look like it has 45K original miles ... but, having been to NY (both the city as well as LI and Westchester) a number of times on business (not to mention having family in the area), I guess any car parked there for over 20 years is bound to look like that.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,737
    I don't get it. Why would a complete standard-looking Bug draw a crowd anywhere? Does he pop the engine lid everywhere he goes?

    $8k? Seriously? That will be a permanent fixture in his yard for sure.

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    What sometimes boggles my mind with craigslist is the silly keywords people type in to draw attention to their ad.

    Does that seller really think anyone looking for a Honda S2000, an Infiniti Q45, a Benz, a Caddy Escalade, or a Navigator would stumbe upon this ad and buy that Isuzu pickup instead? :confuse:

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,688
    Maybe it is the lack of repugnant emissions on an old Bug that does it.... It boggles their minds! :P
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  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    It must be the sound of the electric bug (or lack thereof) that draws the attention.
    An air-cooled bug makes quite a distinctive clatter. The quiet whine of the electrics must seem very odd coming from an ancient Beetle. :surprise:
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    That bug is little more that a golf cart with a bug-body. Seriously, that has got to be one of the worst performing conversions I have ever seen.

    That little Isuzu truck comes from the generation of Isuzu trucks that were dang near bullet proof.
  • bumpybumpy Member Posts: 4,425
    Yeah, but there is no way that truck gets 35 mpg. I had a '91 4-cylinder 5-speed regular cab shortbed, and it got 27-28 or so. The diesel would get 35 in that body with an automatic, but Isuzu never sold an oilburner in that body here.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Don't tell lemko about that 86 Accord. He doesn't think they exist anymore.

    I loved that generation of Accords. Unfortunately I never owned one. I could now....
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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,413
    I had an 89 2 door LXi with 5 speed. It was a good car.
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