I'm late to the party, guys, haven't checked the posts in a few days.
I really like that old Corolla, but I don't think anybody would really want it... no airbag, so it must have "passive restraints."
The pictures were carefully taken so you don't see the goofy idiot belts -- and I don't remember what form they took -- but I don't think the car could have been sold with just regular, common-sense 3pt belts.
Seriously, if this came up next week, I'd be all over it, I think. I'm still working on trading the G and selling off the Volvo. Once that happens, I'll need cheap transportation for myself, and a manual wagon is exactly what I'm looking for.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Kind of a shame. Not sure about the price, though. Seems kinda rough to me. If the no rust is confirmed, I guess maybe $3k is OK. The auto really kills it, though.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
"I kinda think it holds more value (to the right person) as a package. Perhaps you could sign a bill of sale designating the sale "as is" and specifying that use of the catamaran is at the owner's own risk?"
Success - we sold both the Polara and the 'Autoboat' to my sister's Saab mechanic, he's hoping to fix it up and get it back on the Ohio River. Here's hopin'
looks to be sound at lest. Although IMO "needs a minor tuneup" in an ad is code for "engine is shot". Not sure if by '73 they still had issues with soft camshafts? Shifty would know!
You could easily go from a tune up to an engine teardown, but at least (outside maybe of the FI) the B20s in that car were still extremely simple, and I imagine a relatively easy rebuild.
ONly questin is, how simple is the manual tranny swap! At least if you were going to do that, I expect you could get a later 5 speed box instead of the 4+EOD?
That and a set of minilites and you are good to go!
Yeah, all Volvo B18 engines and B20 engines will have soft camshafts and worn timing gears unless they've been rebuilt recently. This results, as you might imagine, in a rather sluggish car. It's not enough to stop the engine (unless the fiber timing gear completely breaks off), but coupled with the pathetic Borg Warner automatic, you end up with a pretty dreary car to drive.
Volvo engines of that era are very simple to rebuild, however. Your basic pushrod + iron+ nuts and bolts kind of engine. No traps, no tricks, no high tech.Very "Model A" like.
Too bad there's no sunroof. The interior of these cars is claustrophobic, even with all that glass, because you sit so low your shoulder barely reaches the bottom of the window glass.
My two cents? An unpleasant, noisy, slow and heavy car to drive without modifications, which, happily, are readily available---different seats, lighter wheels, bigger tires, internal long block engine goodies, ignition updates, steel timing gears, hi lift camshaft, suspension packages, updated oil cooler, updated instrumentation. No reason why you couldn't covert to a 4-speed, although I'm not sure it's worth the expense.
I've driven updated and modified versions of this car and they are way way better. But it's going to take you 10 grand to get there.
Volvo's version of a 1965 Ford Mustang 6 cylinder automatic---a nice body on a very dated chassis and drivetrain IMO.
Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? I always get red flags when I see the term "could use a good tune-up" on a car for sale. Are we talking plugs and wires, or a valve job???
Needs a tune up or 'needs a battery and it will start right up'. If that's the case, why wouldn't they invest $20 in a used battery and sell a running car? 99% of the time, that's complete BS.
And what's that tell you about how it's been maintained? :sick: ! I can't imagine having a hobby car that I sell with it just needing a tune up. Maybe that's code for 'It was running well, until it stopped running."
Could be the finicky electronic fuel injection system, too. These early systems were susceptible to bad grounding wires, dirty "triggering points" and wear in the little throttle electronic black box, which ran a contact arm over varying points of resistance (in other words, mechanical wear of the part was possible).
Lots of Fall Garage cleaning before the weather gets bad...
1964 VW Notchback project "Will sell or trade. $999 in trade value. Prefer guns or motorcycle... Guy stuff" http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/1368797429.html By the way, I've never heard of a 64 Notchback before.....
I kinda like that '61 DeSoto...ugly looking things from the front, but still kinda cool IMO. I think that's kinda pricey for a 4-door hardtop though. And I don't think you could get a 383 in these. They came standard with a toned-down 361-2bbl with 265 hp. However, I have heard rumors that you could still get the 333 hp 383 Cross-Ram.
I guess it's possible that someone just yanked out the 361 and put in a 383? Or the seller just doesn't know what he has?
I'm also not too crazy about the red. If the car had a white contrast down the side, like my '57, it might look better, but as it is, I think there's just too much red there. These cars looked really nice in some of the period greens and blues. Here's a '61 DeSoto paint chart. Strangely, considering that half of the choices are variations of blue/green, I think the most common color I see on a '61 is white. Although here's one I saw at a local car show in 2006 that was "Tahiti Tan".
My Mother had a 92 Caravan with the 4cyl. Literally, uphill loaded with a few people you would have to shut the A/C off to maintain speed. It was that bad!
car & driver did a test on these around '98 or '99 and didn't think it was too bad.
the old ones with manual transmission were actually pretty good.
by '99, the vans had gotten heavier, sure, but the engines had gained a lot of horsepower also. the real downfall of these things was the horrendous reliability of the engine. so the engine was really perfect for the perennially dismal transmission.
I also heard or read that the reduction of back pressure from removing the converter could harm the engine. Since this was some time ago, I don't know about the reliability of this information. Is there any truth in this?
I don't know about "harm", but certainly it could affect performance in a negative way just as much as a positive one. If I recall correctly, open exhausts can burn valves, yes, but few cars run that way.
There are several counties in Texas (I live in one) that will look under the car for the cats. No cats, no sticker. The department of public safety routinely will run a car with documented defects through a safety station to see if the check is thorough. Big fine for stickering a car without passing emissions.
what does the Lotus guy consider almost done, taking the pieces out of th ebox?
The lambo looks just plain nasty. Not even sure if the 100 hours and 10K is a reasonable estimate. Maybe if the labor is all yours (IOW free), and you go cheap on paint!
Additionally, after I looked deeper, that Lotus has a "Honda V65" engine.
This turns out to be an 1100 cc 4 cylinder motorcycle engine producing 116 HP (or less), and Wiki says that they've got a reputation for problems.
The 1100 cc "V65" engine, which was introduced in 1983, produced 116 hp. Both were slightly detuned throughout the run of the 1st gen engine to cope with customs and EPA regulations. However, Honda reported the same Horsepower figures throughout the whole generation even through the actual dyno-proven, detuned, figures showed up lower than advertised.
The engine's downfall was premature camshaft wear in some early models; both V45 and V65. In retrospect, the wear was caused either by production problems, sub-quality steel alloys, or by inadequate oiling flow. Owners have often modified their oiling systems and successfully eliminated the wear problem, and some companies sell kits to do this modification.
But this came too late to save the engine's reputation. Honda itself at first denied there was a problem, then blamed inadequate or incorrect maintenance for the problem. They changed the maintenance interval, and developed and sold a special tool for 'proper' valve-lash adjustment. They eventually made changes to the design and production methods of the engine which eliminated the problem.
But it was too late. The 1st generation V4 was discredited
In any case it's not an Integra GS-R V-Tech engine..
The Lambo comes with an "imitation passenger airbag" whatever that means.
The quality of the kit will depend on how good the buyer/assembler is with their hands I guess. Especially with cutting out the headlights or other orficies on the body. I wonder what percentage of kit cars never get finished? I'm guessing about half?
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We've entered the Beanie Baby zone... :confuse:
I really like that old Corolla, but I don't think anybody would really want it... no airbag, so it must have "passive restraints."
The pictures were carefully taken so you don't see the goofy idiot belts -- and I don't remember what form they took -- but I don't think the car could have been sold with just regular, common-sense 3pt belts.
-Mathias
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190334169031
Hmmm.. well, 16 bids. And I want it! ;b
Seriously, if this came up next week, I'd be all over it, I think. I'm still working on trading the G and selling off the Volvo. Once that happens, I'll need cheap transportation for myself, and a manual wagon is exactly what I'm looking for.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Kind of a shame. Not sure about the price, though. Seems kinda rough to me. If the no rust is confirmed, I guess maybe $3k is OK. The auto really kills it, though.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Success - we sold both the Polara and the 'Autoboat' to my sister's Saab mechanic, he's hoping to fix it up and get it back on the Ohio River. Here's hopin'
You could easily go from a tune up to an engine teardown, but at least (outside maybe of the FI) the B20s in that car were still extremely simple, and I imagine a relatively easy rebuild.
ONly questin is, how simple is the manual tranny swap! At least if you were going to do that, I expect you could get a later 5 speed box instead of the 4+EOD?
That and a set of minilites and you are good to go!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Volvo engines of that era are very simple to rebuild, however. Your basic pushrod + iron+ nuts and bolts kind of engine. No traps, no tricks, no high tech.Very "Model A" like.
Too bad there's no sunroof. The interior of these cars is claustrophobic, even with all that glass, because you sit so low your shoulder barely reaches the bottom of the window glass.
My two cents? An unpleasant, noisy, slow and heavy car to drive without modifications, which, happily, are readily available---different seats, lighter wheels, bigger tires, internal long block engine goodies, ignition updates, steel timing gears, hi lift camshaft, suspension packages, updated oil cooler, updated instrumentation. No reason why you couldn't covert to a 4-speed, although I'm not sure it's worth the expense.
I've driven updated and modified versions of this car and they are way way better. But it's going to take you 10 grand to get there.
Volvo's version of a 1965 Ford Mustang 6 cylinder automatic---a nice body on a very dated chassis and drivetrain IMO.
Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? I always get red flags when I see the term "could use a good tune-up" on a car for sale. Are we talking plugs and wires, or a valve job???
And what's that tell you about how it's been maintained? :sick: ! I can't imagine having a hobby car that I sell with it just needing a tune up. Maybe that's code for 'It was running well, until it stopped running."
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Could be the finicky electronic fuel injection system, too. These early systems were susceptible to bad grounding wires, dirty "triggering points" and wear in the little throttle electronic black box, which ran a contact arm over varying points of resistance (in other words, mechanical wear of the part was possible).
1964 VW Notchback project
"Will sell or trade. $999 in trade value. Prefer guns or motorcycle... Guy stuff"
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/1368797429.html
By the way, I've never heard of a 64 Notchback before.....
1989 Land Rover Range Rover - $7900
This is not a $1500 junker.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1356331677.html
72 Triumph TR6 - $3800
rebuilt engine,new paint, runs and drives good, needs interior restored
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1376950594.html
1951 Ford 2-Door "Survivor" - $12500
unrestored original in excellent condition
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/1372885294.html
1971 FIAT 500L - $18000
Before there was a Mini or Smart car, they had the Fiat
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/1371321652.html
1965 GTO Conv. PHS doc's,Restored
This is a very nice goat conv and is show worthy. $35,000
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1368467977.html
1948 Cadillac 61 Series - $39250
I suppose this resto-rod seemed like a good idea when drugs were cheap
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1367839050.html
1939 Ford Convertible - DICK KRAFT BUILT custom street rod!
The car won the "Timeless Street Rod" award
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1367764750.html
Anybody? Andre?
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1365519926.html
And lead us not into Jaguar Temptation
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/1376010455.html
Find the $13,000 difference...
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/ctd/1368904284.html
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1343057924.html
I guess it's possible that someone just yanked out the 361 and put in a 383? Or the seller just doesn't know what he has?
I'm also not too crazy about the red. If the car had a white contrast down the side, like my '57, it might look better, but as it is, I think there's just too much red there. These cars looked really nice in some of the period greens and blues. Here's a '61 DeSoto paint chart. Strangely, considering that half of the choices are variations of blue/green, I think the most common color I see on a '61 is white. Although here's one I saw at a local car show in 2006 that was "Tahiti Tan".
Shame you spent so much on the car to have it look like that
Good pics
Frankencar
I didn't know these came with 4 cyl How impossibly slow must this be?
85 Mustang GT -- he meant $400, not $4000, right? RIGHT? :surprise:
Best Fox body Mustang in the world could barely break $8500.
My Mother had a 92 Caravan with the 4cyl. Literally, uphill loaded with a few people you would have to shut the A/C off to maintain speed. It was that bad!
2025 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 / 2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
the old ones with manual transmission were actually pretty good.
by '99, the vans had gotten heavier, sure, but the engines had gained a lot of horsepower also. the real downfall of these things was the horrendous reliability of the engine. so the engine was really perfect for the perennially dismal transmission.
-mathias
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
surprised how many people do this on newer cars. Probably the day after they get it inspected!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
"The market should subsidize my restoration expenses and decisions".
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1340026273.html
Hell, Yeah!
Lamborghini Kit car diablo 6.0
Fiero Lambo a-go-go
Hell, No!
Edit Fixed 2nd Link
The second link goes back to the first one, not to a Diablo kit car.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
The lambo looks just plain nasty. Not even sure if the 100 hours and 10K is a reasonable estimate. Maybe if the labor is all yours (IOW free), and you go cheap on paint!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
This turns out to be an 1100 cc 4 cylinder motorcycle engine producing 116 HP (or less), and Wiki says that they've got a reputation for problems.
The 1100 cc "V65" engine, which was introduced in 1983, produced 116 hp. Both were slightly detuned throughout the run of the 1st gen engine to cope with customs and EPA regulations. However, Honda reported the same Horsepower figures throughout the whole generation even through the actual dyno-proven, detuned, figures showed up lower than advertised.
The engine's downfall was premature camshaft wear in some early models; both V45 and V65. In retrospect, the wear was caused either by production problems, sub-quality steel alloys, or by inadequate oiling flow. Owners have often modified their oiling systems and successfully eliminated the wear problem, and some companies sell kits to do this modification.
But this came too late to save the engine's reputation. Honda itself at first denied there was a problem, then blamed inadequate or incorrect maintenance for the problem. They changed the maintenance interval, and developed and sold a special tool for 'proper' valve-lash adjustment. They eventually made changes to the design and production methods of the engine which eliminated the problem.
But it was too late. The 1st generation V4 was discredited
In any case it's not an Integra GS-R V-Tech engine..
This car needs a good 'ol torquey pushrod car engine.
The quality of the kit will depend on how good the buyer/assembler is with their hands I guess. Especially with cutting out the headlights or other orficies on the body. I wonder what percentage of kit cars never get finished? I'm guessing about half?
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
I like the title without the price: "Lamborghini Kit car diablo 6.0 OR BEST OFFER"
I'd say $6.0 sounds fair for the parts.