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Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,766
    is it the montreal version?
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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,766
    did the seller leave the body at the shop and leave?
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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yeah, the seller took $30K and left the car at the Cobra shop to be restored by the pawn shop operators.

    But I agree, they should have sold it as is, and not muck it up with a crate engine and the wrong upholstery. There might have been some guy out there with a crashed Cobra who had all the right engine/trans parts. He would have paid handsomely to get that body, which looked to be in excellent condition.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,125
    The Gremlin - what, aircleaners are OPTIONAL :confuse:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Someone left a piece of HVAC ducting on the hood of that Gremlin.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    Ya know, maybe I'm crazy ....

    OK, we all know I'm crazy ...

    But I think I LIKE that Hornet. Such a shame its an automatic. Looks like it may be decent inside, too.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,440
    I had almost both those cars.

    Yellow '74 (or was it a 75?) Gremlin X, but it was a 6 (4.2l) and 3 speed stick.

    then later a '75 Hornet (green, of course).Not the wagon, but it was the sportabout (hatch). Also 6 cyl, 3 speed stick.

    What can I say. I had strange taste!

    also in the same time frame was a yellow duster and a '75 Opel Manta (man, what a mistake that one was).

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,462
    It's Detroit ;)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Not only crazy, but in need of immediate assistance :P

    "after applying electrodes to the patient, a series of photos of bizarre and uninteresting cars will be flashed on the overhead....."
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,033
    I think those Hornets are kinda neat in a goofy, offbeat way. It also helps that that one is a nice color, and has cool wheels on it.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    OK. well, look at it this way: how many RWD mid-sized wagons for $1k can you come up with?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Can't argue with that logic!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,766
    i got the 'Gordy' on that one.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,462
    Every now and then I feel an elbow jab me while I'm driving :shades:
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    Drove one of those one time. Weird car, but kinda fun to drive. That long straight six could really crank some torque at low rpm. With no rear weight, you could smoke the tires as long as you wanted.

    I still liked the American better.
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    with a project car idea...

    A free Miata. It is a '95 M Edition in merlot mica. The car is simply awful cosmetically. It has been on the Mississippi Gulf coast for most of its life. The leather is dried, shriveled, ripped to shreds. The carpet is ruined. The instrument binnacle can be moved away from the dashboard. The radio and a/c are broken. The top still keeps out water but is horrible looking. The paint is sunburned and peeling. The front and rear bumpers as well as the hood have been smacked and scraped by a trailer hitch on a truck. The wheels are Miata wheels, but not M edition wheels. They look like the finish is gone anyway. I probably forgot some stuff, but you get the idea.

    Mechanically the story is better. It has a recent timing belt, recent brakes and various other miscellaneous maintenance items. I am told that it runs great. It has been sitting close to a year because it is "really hard" to get into gear. The transmission and clutch were fully serviced (whatever that means) to the tune of $1000 by a mobile mechanic who has since gone into hiding. That kept it working well for about a month before it started not going into gear again.

    I would just drag it home if it was anywhere near me, but it would be about a 12 hour round trip on a trailer if I wanted it. It belongs to my brother-in-law who is much more of a monster truck kind of guy. He just wants it to go away. I'd probably feel obligated to give a $100 or $200 for it.

    I doubt I'd put much money into it, maybe just try to make it into a cheap autocrosser or something.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    You could fly out to sunny California, buy a nice one of these for $3500 and drive it home.

    Other than that, your best bet would be to drag it home and remove the engine and transmission and junk the car--then you might stumble across a nice Miata with a bad engine (not easy to find, as these cars are indestructible).

    I certainly wouldn't put a nickel into it myself.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    autoX'er is exactly what it is destined for at this point. Even if not for yourself, I'd get it running well and sell it.

    There is a guy at my local club who picked up something very similar, as a matter of fact. He then proceeded to strip it down completely ... and I mean completely! It has no body! Well, none to speak of. He welded on something like a tub to surround the engine and passenger compartment. He put on a cage and a racing seat and runs it in XP. Its like a big go-cart now.

    Personally, I wouldn't take it that far. Probably strip out the interior, put in the racing seat. A momo wheel and homemade gauge cluster. If at all plausible, I'd make it a hardtop, too. Then paint the whole thing in flat black at home. :blush:

    Man, I'm jealous. You get a free Miata, britishrover's coworker gets a free E30 .... why can't I have the kind of family that gives me free cool cars? :mad:

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  • srs_49srs_49 Member Posts: 1,394
    It has been on the Mississippi Gulf coast for most of its life.

    Can you say Hurricane Katrina :P ?
  • lemmerlemmer Member Posts: 2,689
    Somehow my brother in law left his cars sitting outside and none of them got flooded. His house didn't get flooded either. Dumb luck, really. Most of his neighbors were not as lucky.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Man, I'm jealous. You get a free Miata, britishrover's coworker gets a free E30 .... why can't I have the kind of family that gives me free cool cars?

    Me too :cry: The only car I got for free was from my dad's friend, an 83 Accord sedan, automatic, in doodoo brown color about 9 years ago. Well I shouldn't complain because it was free and got me around.

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  • stevedebistevedebi Member Posts: 4,098
    "Drove one of those one time. Weird car, but kinda fun to drive. That long straight six could really crank some torque at low rpm. With no rear weight, you could smoke the tires as long as you wanted. "

    I owned a 73 - my first car. It had the 232 six, and yes, I had to be careful or I'd spin the rear wheels. I liked the car, but it was not very comfortable on long trips.

    When I got married my future-in-laws said I could have their 1978 Ford Fairmont as a wedding gift - provided I got rid of the Gremlin!

    BTW the car got about 21MPG both on the road and in town...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    Too bad the seller sounds like a jerk.

    And after all that bitching and moaning, he still doesn't actually say what he wants for it!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    Coming out of the woodwork it seems.

    No reserve and no rust!

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Doesn't help with his YELLING. I didn't know there is font that big on ebay. :confuse:

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  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Decent looking wagon if it hovers under $1.5k mark. Good color too and interior doesn't look beat up like in most Volvo wagons.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,697
    That, and the guy has a seriously distorted idea of what it means to "restore" a vehicle. :sick:
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I liked the part about "spending over $500 alone" on the suspension.

    That would have bought me a couple of cotter pins for my Porsche 928 :)

    I used to have that very same year Mazda RX3 wagon. It is actually a very nice car....but.....BUT....I'm not sure this is exactly a "hot item", except for a tiny eetsy beetsy sliver of humanity wearing thick black rimmed glasses and a beret.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,766
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,125
    I liked those Mk VIIs when they came out, but I'd want an LSC, I don't think that is one. Also, aren't those aftermarket alloys? Lots of $$ for that car...
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,018
    Its an LSC look at the pillar behind the doors it has a small logo "LSC". If it was a Bill Blass the interior would be diferent and it would have digital dash. The wheels are factory for that year. Later model LSCs got BBS wheels.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,125
    You're right, I was looking on the trunk. So are those stock wheels?
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,018
    Yes they are on 1988s, and 89s, 16". I have always liked the MK VIIs. It seems as if low mileage examples bring good money. If I was looking for one, I wouldn't hesitate to part with 7,500 or 8,000 for a low mileage example like the one posted. Higher mileage ones typically have bad seats as the side bolsters are so big they are prone to wearing and the leather rips.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,125
    So I wonder why they aren't advertising it as an LSC? They'd get more interest, I'd imagine...
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    yes but low mileage cars with a lot of age behind them have their own set of problems sometimes. I'd definitely budget for leaks, bad tires and rusted exhaust systems.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,440
    now that is a Volvo! Right down to the giant clock in place of a tach on a manual tranny car!

    But, I'm sure it can't be that hard to stick one in there. Or heck, find the guage cluster from a GT, that should fit.

    Now, if it only had a sunroof!

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,018
    I'd definitely budget for leaks, bad tires and rusted exhaust systems.

    Very true, the thing I would be most leary of on any Mark VII (or VIII) is the air suspension. Nothing worse than walking out to your car and the bumpers are two inches from the ground :sick:

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,462
    Love it, one of my fantasy cars is being born.

    If I had Leno's means, I'd have already built several of those...some of them out of fintails, too.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,462
    What does it think it is, an old Mercedes? :shades:

    That LSC does look nice though...to about the point where one would be kind of paranoid driving it, as not to put on too many miles or create any wear.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    the whole idea seems silly to me...preserving a car that really has no interest for most people. It's just a nice old car. Drive it for gawd's sake.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,018
    Drive it for gawd's sake.

    Well I agree here. For a lot less money you could find a 50 or 60K mile example with a blemish here or there that at least you could enjoy. When I had my 89 Town Car it was in beautiful shape but I bought with with around 60K and was able to put around 5K miles without hurting the value much and enjoyed it (sold it for what I paid for it 3 years later). When I am in the market again for a suitable land yacht I will take the same approach.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,462
    Yeah, that's kind of what I mean. Not literally keeping the car sealed up, but driving it carefully and not using a preserved low mileage old car as an abused heavy-duty commuter.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Paying a premium price for something that's just going to continue to lose value year after year, until it becomes worthless, seems pointless to me---but of course, this is everyone's personal decision.

    I wouldn't even baby it, if say I inherited it---I'd just use it up, or loan it out, or keep it around outside for a second car. It IS transportation, after all. You can't really "show" it, you can't "race" it, you can't haul much with it---it's kinda useless except as a "car". :P
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748
    it's kinda useless except as a "car".

    I completely disagree.

    At that price, it is going to continue posing as a nice lawn ornament. :P

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,462
    I'd think at a Ford show a mint LSC would get some looks.

    I'm not saying the price is realistic, but it's old enough to be a curiousity now.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well true, you got me there!

    Of course, there is the joy the seller will receive from singing Happy Birthday to the car once a year.

    I'd guess that a price tag of $5500 would put it out the door (maybe). Again, we are talking about sales appeal to a sliver of humanity, and that sliver not being noted for their readiness to grab their checkbooks.
  • fortee9erfortee9er Member Posts: 134
    I feel your pain when it comes to the 928, I have two identical 1983 928S. Its like a bad doublemint gum comercial. The second car was supposed to be a parts car for the first one but the parts car turned out to be in much better shape than the first car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I remember in ONE DAY I noticed a failing clutch and a leak in the water pump. That was it for me....those two items are $3800 to do professionally.

    But still, I got $6500 for the car as is, so I was happy. I had a lot of fun with it, but you know, "enough's enough".
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