At this point, it is only a matter of time. They jointly developed a little coupe with Subaru that is due in a couple years. Toyota's, which will be a RWD platform, is dubbed the FT-86.
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What a pile...and how much might it cost to get it out of there, and, say, to Seattle? $1000? Looks like he's wanting to avoid a huge bill to junk the car. Any time I see one with broken windows, I just write it off :sick:
What the man should do, were he smart, is set a price that INCLUDES delivery within a certain radius.
Basically, if he can get someone to pay enough so that he gets it moved out of there for FREE, and breaks even or makes lunch money, that's about the best he could hope for.
So I guess a beater car in the back yard used as kids playground would not be a good idea now that I think of it.
Remeber we were talking about how cool it would be to have a shell of a Rolls Royce or a Benz to play in when we were kids?
The downside would be that the nooks and crannies would get infested with spiders, beehives, wasps and other potentially lethal bugs. :sick: That is unless you kept the windows intact and closed the doors after playing in it. :shades:
The downside would be that the nooks and crannies would get infested with spiders, beehives, wasps and other potentially lethal bugs. That is unless you kept the windows intact and closed the doors after playing in it.
Nah, they'd still find ways to get into it. Mice got into my '57 DeSoto when it was over at my grandmother's. Luckily the damage wasn't too bad...mainly they just built two nests in the back seat backrest, at each corner. One thing I noticed about that backrest too, now that the mechanic has it out and I can see in it, is that it has coil springs. Aren't coil springs in the seats a sign of higher quality than that other type, which is kind of a zig-zag?
I also had mice get into my '79 5th Ave. I found evidence of them in the passenger cabin, even with the windows all the way up. The smallest nook or cranny, and they'll get in. I remember one morning, backing it out of the garage, and a mouse hopped out from under the hood and tried to climb up the windshield!
And, let's not forget wasps. I don't drive my other New Yorker, the blue one, much. A couple months ago, I was under the hood, messing with the battery, when I felt something on my hand, looked down, and saw a wasp crawling across it! Never did find the nest, if there was one, but I'm sure the cold has killed them by now.
When I was a kid, I lived in an area not too far from where that sad old Chevy lives, and it was not unknown for a decrepit old vehicle to be used as a kids toy. I knew some kids who had a mid 50s Ford pickup behind their house that was used as a toy, and another had a Pinto on their property that was used to play in. Back in the 80s, people didn't care about bugs and tetanus-related injuries :shades:
I have to admit that my "toy" of choice as a kid was an old Diamond-T rig that was abandoned at the edge of a field. There was an early 60's Dodge medium-duty flatbed truck next to it. I used to love playing on and in those things when I was a kid.
At one point, there were also two dump beds that were taken off of some dumptrucks, and stacked one on top of the other. Us kids used to get a kick out of climbing that stack.
And finally, there was another dump bed off a smaller truck, maybe a 6-wheeler, that had a 1957 Ford sitting in it, upside down, with the rear-end in the bed and the front leaning upward, precariously against a tree.
Looking back, all that stuff was a lawsuit just waiting to happen, but I don't think most people thought about that back then. I think about the worst that happened to me was getting stung by a bee or getting poison ivy. I don't think tetanus had been invented yet. :P
That's about what I heard as well - the Toyota would come in low '20s, with the Subaru version (AWD) about $3 to $5K more. I would prefer the other way around, but so it goes.
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They don't need to be old cars to be infested by critters! My friend has a late model Corvette which he stores for the winter. Come spring a few years ago, he turns on the A/C and is blasted by a foul stench. He takes it to the dealer to discover mice have filched dry dog food and stored the kibble in the ductwork!
the Toyota would come in low '20s, with the Subaru version (AWD) about $3 to $5K more. I would prefer the other way around, but so it goes.
What, that the Toyota would be available with AWD? :P
Won't the AWD minimize all the character this car is supposed to have? Guess we'll have to wait and see when the early drives and reviews start to get published.
Oh, man, I had my pick of abandoned vehicles to use as "toys." Most notable was a 1955 Chevrolet 210 sedan by a stream in a wooded area that was sitting there since 1968. I've watched it slowly "decompose" over the years until virtually nothing was left. I remember my Dad yelling at me to get out of it as it was supposedly infested with snakes. There was also a green 1948 Chevrolet Fleetline sedan that remained pretty much intact and a whole ten acres of mostly late 1940s - early 1950s Mopars that belonged to the grandfather of a friend of mine.
The green 1967 Ford Galaxie has been back there since at least early 1982 which was when I first came across it. This area used to be a farm that was ultimately abandoned. At the time it was parked next to a barn. I think the barn got taken down around 1991, when the fire house was built. We kids used to play on that car, but then started getting destructive. I have to confess that I'm partially responsible for some of the damage to that car. One thing I remember doing was pulling the odometer out. I'm impressed though, at how rust-free that car still appears after all these years. I mean, look at the rear quarter panel! When you figure it's been sitting back there for at least 25 years, in the woods and that close to the ground, I think it held up pretty well!
I'm not sure when the Camaro ended up back there...I want to say I first saw it in the summer of '86 or '87, but it might've been back there longer. The Nova and Satellite got dumped sometime later, maybe late 80's or early 90's. And the '82-83 Cavalier is a relatively recent addition...when I did this photo shoot was when I first discovered it.
I remember there was also a brown 1974 or so Mercury Montego 4-door inside the barn, with its roof chopped off. That probably got towed away when the barn was taken down. And out in front of the barn was a brown Pinto that was sitting upside-down with its roof caved in. I think it got towed away when the barn was taken down, too. I'm kinda glad they left the '67 Galaxie, though, so some fragment of my childhood is still intact!
What, that the Toyota would be available with AWD?
Hahah; no, you know what I meant!
Regarding the minimization of character, I would say 'no.' It will certainly be a different car from the RWD counterpart, but given that it will be turbo (versus the Toyota's NA), very light, and AWD, it will make for one helluva fun car.
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That's a salvageable chrome bumper on that 70s upside down Vette in your forest. Also looks like the fire dept's jaws of life had a bite of the Cavalier's roof. :surprise:
It will certainly be a different car from the RWD counterpart, but given that it will be turbo (versus the Toyota's NA), very light, and AWD, it will make for one helluva fun car.
Which makes it different from a WRX or and STi how?
Hmm, maybe I should go out there with some WD40 and a socket set, and try to pull that bumper off. Maybe someone, somewhere, could use it, and it's better than just having it ultimately rust away.
The one that really breaks my heart though, is that '67 Ford. I know it was an abandoned junked car by the time us kids first saw it in 1982, but I still feel bad for the way we beat up on it. I guess if we hadn't though, someone else would have. And it had bullet holes and broken windows by the time we found it, so we just sort of accelerated the damage.
Oh, I also know where there's a '57 or '58 Plymouth 4-door hardtop back in the woods, near the railroad tracks. I have no idea how long it's been back there, but I remember that you could only see it from the road at the right time of day in the wintertime. In the early morning the sun would reflect off the chrome, and in the evening it would seem to reflect off the trunk. I had been seeing it for years, having no idea what it was, until a few years ago I stopped and went back in the woods to see it. Now that that car's on my mind, I feel I need to go get some pics of it!
Well, it is not a rally car, it is much smaller, and it is a coupe. It might grab a few sales from the other models, but I doubt it will pull too many. Especially not the STi, which will likely keep the six-speed manual and 305 hp engine all to itself.
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1960 Lincoln---is certainly NOT a "strong #2" car. A 3 minus is about right. I'd say $13,000 or less, depending on how it runs. You can see defects everywhere.
65 Pontiac 2+2 - price is fair enough
1950 Ford Recreation -- horrifying
71 Hornet 360 Coupe -- if nice, should sell $10K-$20K range.
Well it's a little ratty---look at the engine bay---it's old in there. And the trunk mat has stains, and the interior carpeting driver and passenger side has stains and wear spots. This car has "wear and tear" and thus cannot be #2, which is "local show quality".
there's actually a company that makes those things. I always see one or two of them at the Ford Nationals in Carlisle,PA. I forget how much they cost. Probably too much!
So much damage it's incredible. I'm not familiar with classic car reproduction parts but I figure all the broken glass is hard to find, especially if it was original. Same for all the chrome trim. Were you there Shifty?
No but a friend has been sending me e-mails. I suspect a few of the cheaper cars might be totaled or close to it. The custom cars are also going to be very expensive to fix.
Some of the damage, like a crushed windshield pillar and roof, are tough fixes. It's especially hard on cars that were more or less 'virgin".
Initial reports from the auction company stated "slight damage--just some scratches"
Holy crap! A couple million in damage there no doubt - those guys aren't going to have those things fixed at Maaco, and a couple of them look pretty much totaled. Wow.
Well the whole auction thing has turned into such a circus that tents are appropriate. The volume is bigger than all the available structures in the area.
I heard from one guy who is there that Hagerty actually ran out of checks to write while on site in AZ
Dunno but they best not lose their advantage in pricing over mainstream insurers.IF they raise prices, a lot of people will just drop the coverage down.
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At this point, it is only a matter of time. They jointly developed a little coupe with Subaru that is due in a couple years. Toyota's, which will be a RWD platform, is dubbed the FT-86.
Not Scion cheap, but certainly affordable.
He needs to check out the competition: This Looks Way Bettter
In the summer that poor old thing is probably full of spiders and scorpions too...no thanks.
Basically, if he can get someone to pay enough so that he gets it moved out of there for FREE, and breaks even or makes lunch money, that's about the best he could hope for.
Remeber we were talking about how cool it would be to have a shell of a Rolls Royce or a Benz to play in when we were kids?
The downside would be that the nooks and crannies would get infested with spiders, beehives, wasps and other potentially lethal bugs. :sick: That is unless you kept the windows intact and closed the doors after playing in it. :shades:
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Nah, they'd still find ways to get into it. Mice got into my '57 DeSoto when it was over at my grandmother's. Luckily the damage wasn't too bad...mainly they just built two nests in the back seat backrest, at each corner. One thing I noticed about that backrest too, now that the mechanic has it out and I can see in it, is that it has coil springs. Aren't coil springs in the seats a sign of higher quality than that other type, which is kind of a zig-zag?
I also had mice get into my '79 5th Ave. I found evidence of them in the passenger cabin, even with the windows all the way up. The smallest nook or cranny, and they'll get in. I remember one morning, backing it out of the garage, and a mouse hopped out from under the hood and tried to climb up the windshield!
And, let's not forget wasps. I don't drive my other New Yorker, the blue one, much. A couple months ago, I was under the hood, messing with the battery, when I felt something on my hand, looked down, and saw a wasp crawling across it! Never did find the nest, if there was one, but I'm sure the cold has killed them by now.
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At one point, there were also two dump beds that were taken off of some dumptrucks, and stacked one on top of the other. Us kids used to get a kick out of climbing that stack.
And finally, there was another dump bed off a smaller truck, maybe a 6-wheeler, that had a 1957 Ford sitting in it, upside down, with the rear-end in the bed and the front leaning upward, precariously against a tree.
Looking back, all that stuff was a lawsuit just waiting to happen, but I don't think most people thought about that back then. I think about the worst that happened to me was getting stung by a bee or getting poison ivy. I don't think tetanus had been invented yet. :P
What, that the Toyota would be available with AWD? :P
Won't the AWD minimize all the character this car is supposed to have? Guess we'll have to wait and see when the early drives and reviews start to get published.
The green 1967 Ford Galaxie has been back there since at least early 1982 which was when I first came across it. This area used to be a farm that was ultimately abandoned. At the time it was parked next to a barn. I think the barn got taken down around 1991, when the fire house was built. We kids used to play on that car, but then started getting destructive. I have to confess that I'm partially responsible for some of the damage to that car. One thing I remember doing was pulling the odometer out. I'm impressed though, at how rust-free that car still appears after all these years. I mean, look at the rear quarter panel! When you figure it's been sitting back there for at least 25 years, in the woods and that close to the ground, I think it held up pretty well!
I'm not sure when the Camaro ended up back there...I want to say I first saw it in the summer of '86 or '87, but it might've been back there longer. The Nova and Satellite got dumped sometime later, maybe late 80's or early 90's. And the '82-83 Cavalier is a relatively recent addition...when I did this photo shoot was when I first discovered it.
I remember there was also a brown 1974 or so Mercury Montego 4-door inside the barn, with its roof chopped off. That probably got towed away when the barn was taken down. And out in front of the barn was a brown Pinto that was sitting upside-down with its roof caved in. I think it got towed away when the barn was taken down, too. I'm kinda glad they left the '67 Galaxie, though, so some fragment of my childhood is still intact!
Hahah; no, you know what I meant!
Regarding the minimization of character, I would say 'no.' It will certainly be a different car from the RWD counterpart, but given that it will be turbo (versus the Toyota's NA), very light, and AWD, it will make for one helluva fun car.
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Which makes it different from a WRX or and STi how?
Seems like it might cannibalize existing sales.
The one that really breaks my heart though, is that '67 Ford. I know it was an abandoned junked car by the time us kids first saw it in 1982, but I still feel bad for the way we beat up on it. I guess if we hadn't though, someone else would have. And it had bullet holes and broken windows by the time we found it, so we just sort of accelerated the damage.
Oh, I also know where there's a '57 or '58 Plymouth 4-door hardtop back in the woods, near the railroad tracks. I have no idea how long it's been back there, but I remember that you could only see it from the road at the right time of day in the wintertime. In the early morning the sun would reflect off the chrome, and in the evening it would seem to reflect off the trunk. I had been seeing it for years, having no idea what it was, until a few years ago I stopped and went back in the woods to see it. Now that that car's on my mind, I feel I need to go get some pics of it!
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1961
big 1965 coupe
is this a photoshop job?
1971 Hornet
65 Pontiac 2+2 - price is fair enough
1950 Ford Recreation -- horrifying
71 Hornet 360 Coupe -- if nice, should sell $10K-$20K range.
help me out here shifty; what is the deal with this thing?
the front end is i don't know what, the back end is '90 Thunderbird, what is "1950" about this except maybe the retail value?
-Mathias
Even I can tell that this is no #2 car. It'[s funny how owner's always overvalue and overrate their own cars.
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(Relax, we're talking cantaloupe here)
http://www.allclassicsllc.com/home/2010-russo-and-steele-damages
So much damage it's incredible. I'm not familiar with classic car reproduction parts but I figure all the broken glass is hard to find, especially if it was original. Same for all the chrome trim. Were you there Shifty?
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Some of the damage, like a crushed windshield pillar and roof, are tough fixes. It's especially hard on cars that were more or less 'virgin".
Initial reports from the auction company stated "slight damage--just some scratches"
a lot of mad ex boyfriend antenna's there.
I heard from one guy who is there that Hagerty actually ran out of checks to write while on site in AZ
I wonder if Hagerty and the other insurers are going to raise their collector car premiums to cover their losses on this little debacle?