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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,313

    New forum s/w but some things never change... :D

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Here's a low miles one owner 1985 380SE for about 1/3rd the price of that other W126

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4261730629.html

    Here's a 560SEL with 42,000 miles that failed to meet reserve at $9,000 bid. Auction house predicted $12K, which sounds right to me. A similar car failed to sell at $15,000 asking.

    http://germancarsforsaleblog.com/1991-mercedes-benz-560sel-3/

    So yeah, you gotta shop but they are out there and no need to pay fancy prices.

  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,600

    Hey, maybe I should jump on that 380SE; same year and model as mine and about 200K fewer miles.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    The 380SE seems like a good deal, if not the most exciting spec. A final run car like that probably has less chance of bugs. The other car kind of makes me leery somehow, maybe because I've see it before. Of course, both need to be gone over with a fine tooth comb.

    So how did that 300SEL (auction now ended) get such bids? Did a few people go crazy, or was it shills?

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    Here's a low miles one owner 1985 380SE for about 1/3rd the price of that other W126

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4261730629.html

    Here's a 560SEL with 42,000 miles that failed to meet reserve at $9,000 bid. Auction house predicted $12K, which sounds right to me. A similar car failed to sell at $15,000 asking.

    http://germancarsforsaleblog.com/1991-mercedes-benz-560sel-3/

    So yeah, you gotta shop but they are out there and no need to pay fancy prices.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    Weird, my post had to be "approved", and now shows up twice. Nice!

    If you like the 3.8 cars, that one might be a good deal, bhill.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Well auctions are emotional buys and one-shot deals. The only way to ascertain if an auction price is "real" is to re-sell the car at a similar price, or sell similar cars a number of times, to see if there is a trend or if the price was an outlier. If the buyer can't repeat the sale, then he overpaid.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    Of course, all it takes is two nutjobs - once one has his prize, the price might be impossible to repeat. I never feel like I overpay at auction, there's always someone willing to pay just a little less than me :)

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    Well auctions are emotional buys and one-shot deals. The only way to ascertain if an auction price is "real" is to re-sell the car at a similar price, or sell similar cars a number of times, to see if there is a trend or if the price was an outlier. If the buyer can't repeat the sale, then he overpaid.

  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,600

    @fintail said:
    Weird, my post had to be "approved", and now shows up twice. Nice!

    If you like the 3.8 cars, that one might be a good deal, bhill.

    You know, I haven't even driven a 420 much less a 560. The 380 simply became available under good circumstances, and has been such a great car for us that I have a good feeling about them.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454

    @fintail said:
    Weird, my post had to be "approved", and now shows up twice. Nice!

    I think it got flagged for spam by the system, maybe because of the links.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    500E bid was a little light, so seller was probably wise not to take the bid--more like $35K

    The bid on the Hammer is completely incomprehensible to me. The 500E has almost the same horsepower and is probably faster, and more reliable, for 60% of the money. That's a lotta extra money for '80s bad boy" body cladding.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    I thought the 500E seemed reasonable - a local specialty dealer had a similar car, and they wanted around 40K for it. It didn't hang around long, I assume an offer was made. Just too bad about the colors, I'd like a 500E but not black on black, too much work.

    There's not a lot of real Hammers out there (as opposed to cars with cladding and nothing else) - I'll wager that's where the market for real Hammers is going, probably some overseas demand too. Definite future collectible.

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    500E bid was a little light, so seller was probably wise not to take the bid--more like $35K

    The bid on the Hammer is completely incomprehensible to me. The 500E has almost the same horsepower and is probably faster, and more reliable, for 60% of the money. That's a lotta extra money for '80s bad boy" body cladding.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    There's nothing wrong with a 380, especially a later car with the timing chain issue addressed. It's just seen as a low output kind of lazy engine. But that's not always a bad thing. My 300SE put out more hp, I think - but those I6s rev a little high at 70+mph cruising speed, perhaps the only real performance issue with those cars.

    @bhill2 said:
    You know, I haven't even driven a 420 much less a 560. The 380 simply became available under good circumstances, and has been such a great car for us that I have a good feeling about them.

  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,600

    @fintail said:
    There's nothing wrong with a 380, especially a later car with the timing chain issue addressed. It's just seen as a low output kind of lazy engine. But that's not always a bad thing. My 300SE put out more hp, I think - but those I6s rev a little high at 70+mph cruising speed, perhaps the only real performance issue with those cars.

    You're right. Your 300SE had more horsepower (I think my 380SE has 155). I always thought that was funny.

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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454

    @fintail, are you finding it easier to search cars now that dealers have to pay $5 an ad and aren't posting and reposting constantly?

    Here's a true classic locally and I bet it's a great driver in the snow. 1972 Fiat 850 Sport Spider

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032

    I like that '83 Cordoba a lot. That's actually not my favorite front-end, as I prefer the more slicked-back crosshair grille. However, those also tend to be base models with cheaper interiors and fewer options, so I guess it's a tossup. I know a Cordoba of that era is hardly a collector's item, but that price actually seems cheap! Makes me wonder what's wrong with it. Also makes me tempted to get a plane ticket...

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    The 1978 VW reads like a scam ad.

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748

    @fintail said:
    10 minutes on Craigslist with a random 1972-83 search finds:

    Celica: "New motor at about 138,000 miles. It has never been in a moving accident."
    How many miles it now has would be helpful, as would knowing about those nonmoving accidents.

    that Rampage would be kinda cool for a few days.

    Jag seems pretty damned pricey for what it is. Is the leather supposed to look like that??

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,313
    edited January 2014

    @fintail said:
    10 minutes on Craigslist with a random 1972-83 search finds:

    Lots of good stuff there this tine! I like that Cordoba a lot for the money, and it seems nicely kept. Is that a silver interior? Cool.

    The Rampage is a screaming deal if it is any good.

    I like that Eldo a lot given the price, too.

    The XJS is kind of interesting. The conversion may aid the reliability some, but I used to work with someone who had one for a daily driver and it was all the other stuff that broke - the electricals, locks, switchgear, latches, etc.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032

    Yeah, I guess that Cordoba's interior could be considered silver. Actually, I just looked it up online, although I had to use a 5th Avenue brochure as I couldn't find an '83 Cordoba. For the 5th Ave at least, they list the choices as Silver, Dark Blue, Red, or Beige. So, silver it is!

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    Technology. You've definitely got more torque, too.

    @bhill2 said:
    You're right. Your 300SE had more horsepower (I think my 380SE has 155). I always thought that was funny.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    Come buy it! It does seem cheap, and it photographs well anyway. Maybe I could do an inspection if you really are wanting it, be an excuse for a little trip.

    @andre1969 said:
    I like that '83 Cordoba a lot. That's actually not my favorite front-end, as I prefer the more slicked-back crosshair grille. However, those also tend to be base models with cheaper interiors and fewer options, so I guess it's a tossup. I know a Cordoba of that era is hardly a collector's item, but that price actually seems cheap! Makes me wonder what's wrong with it. Also makes me tempted to get a plane ticket...

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    It has local plates and the pics match the claimed location. I think it might be a car that is much better in pics than in person.

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    The 1978 VW reads like a scam ad.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    I do notice less spam by dealers - posting the same car every day for months. They should take the hint.

    Those Fiats could rust in a desert...someone worked to keep that thing alive where you live.

    @Stever@Edmunds said:
    fintail, are you finding it easier to search cars now that dealers have to pay $5 an ad and aren't posting and reposting constantly?

    Here's a true classic locally and I bet it's a great driver in the snow. 1972 Fiat 850 Sport Spider

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,430

    my older sister had an orange 850 when I was in my early teens (I would guess about 14) so I never got to drive it. But I liked to sit in it in the garage and make motor noises. And hang my arm out the window to touch the ground..

    What a piece of something that car was, and at the time, not all that old (this was probably about 1976-77). I can't believe one never rusted unless it was put in a hermetically sealed chamber.

    My BIL to be hated that car. He was a decent mechanic and got roped into working on it. and he was about 6'3". Should have taken that as a hint and run far away...

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600

    @fintail said:

    "Just like a Mercedes"

    Didn't know '76 "Grenadas" (sp) came with a V6.

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696

    Hey, I could go for that! I never see Brats around here that look that good (nor for a remotely reasonable price).

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,896

    Geez, even I like that '83 Cordoba. I don't know why I was thinking they looked a bit 'pimpier' than that. I might be thinking of the Mirada, I don't know. When did Chrysler stop making those cars? Right around '83 I'm thinking. Also, I like that '79 Eldo. I seem to remember those wheels on the Biarritz, but I doubt that elderly owner swapped wheels. The '79 (and maybe the '80) are probably the two best years of that-era Eldo. I always thought there was a hint of the '67-70 in it---razor-sharp.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,032

    IMO, that style of Cordoba is actually about as pimpy as it got, but maybe the conservative colors help tone it down? However, there was also a version that had a fake convertible roof, which could look a bit pimpy I guess. The Mirada version of that was called the CMX I believe, but I forget what the Cordoba variant was called.

    IMO, they actually pulled off the fake convertible roof pretty well, because of their lack of a B-pillar. However, I hesitate to call them "hardtops" because, like the '79-85 Eldo/Toro/Riv, those back windows were stationary.

    In more basic form, there was an opera window in that thick C-pillar. And yeah, 1983 was the final year. These cars never were all that popular, as they debuted in 1980, during the fuel crisis, and when Chrysler was in serious financial trouble. IIRC, in 1980 they sold about 54,000 Cordobas and maybe 33,000 Miradas, and it went downhill fast after that. By 1983, I doubt if they even sold 10,000 apiece.

    They were also fairly big cars, around 209-210" long, on a 112.7" wheelbase. And "big" wasn't exactly a redeeming quality in those fuel-conscious years. They really weren't much smaller than the '75-79, which was around 215" long on a 115" wb. Build quality on them was pretty bad initially, but I think in later years it improved considerably.

  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,600

    @hpmctorque said:

    Didn't know '76 "Grenadas" (sp) came with a V6.

    >

    Nah, the seller screwed that up too. They came with the 200 cid straight six standard and the 250 cid straight six optional, in addition to the 302 and 351 V-8s.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    When I was in grade school, a friend of mine's mother had a white Mirada CMX with t-tops. I thought it was a pretty cool car. Of course I was maybe 7-8 years old, and also thought the Cavalier fastback driven by another friend's mother was cool (it had a sunroof), so my observations might not be the most reliable :)

    @andre1969 said:
    IMO, that style of Cordoba is actually about as pimpy as it got, but maybe the conservative colors help tone it down? However, there was also a version that had a fake convertible roof, which could look a bit pimpy I guess. The Mirada version of that was called the CMX I believe, but I forget what the Cordoba variant was called.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    Funny you call it that - the sharp bustleback styling used on 30s-50s Rolls Royce (aped by the bustleback Seville) is called "razor edge" - and no doubt the same team who styled the Seville was involved with the Eldo.

    I like the Eldos of that generation too. Another kid memory I know I've mentioned, when I was young, a good friend of the family had a beautiful blue on blue Eldo of that era...I don't know what year it was, but couldn't have been newer than very early 80s. I always felt like it was a treat to go for a ride in it. Maybe a 79-80 as she actually drove it a lot, and I don't recall it being troublesome.

    @uplanderguy said:
    Geez, even I like that '83 Cordoba. I don't know why I was thinking they looked a bit 'pimpier' than that. I might be thinking of the Mirada, I don't know. When did Chrysler stop making those cars? Right around '83 I'm thinking. Also, I like that '79 Eldo. I seem to remember those wheels on the Biarritz, but I doubt that elderly owner swapped wheels. The '79 (and maybe the '80) are probably the two best years of that-era Eldo. I always thought there was a hint of the '67-70 in it---razor-sharp.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454
    edited January 2014

    Had the old beast out in the crisp sunny weather today:

    image

    It was pretty cold this morning - well under freezing, so the garage where the car lives was also cold. Took a couple turns of the key to get all cylinders firing on their own - I gave it a little gas before starting (as it has been a month since I drove it last, and the battery is getting old), maybe I shouldn't. Once running, all was well. Turn signals worked sometimes. But I found a new issue - front driver's side brake line is looking kind of iffy - it is a replacement from maybe 14 years ago, and I think a tire has rubbed on it, rubber coating has worn off and I can see the mesh underneath. Time to replace and have parking brake serviced at same time.

    When I stopped to take the pic, a couple of young guys (maybe age 20 or so) came up in a ~07 S4 and were oohing and aahing about the car, kind of amusing.

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Member Posts: 16,896

    Does the grille go up with the hood? If it does, that reminds me of Studebaker Hawks. I always joked that it looked like a big "Jerry Lewis tooth" when the hood was opened...LOL

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    Yep, MB grilles have done that for a long time, and still do on most models. Makes it easy to examine the radiator, anyway. Another Stude-MB link there.

    @uplanderguy said:
    Does the grille go up with the hood? If it does, that reminds me of Studebaker Hawks. I always joked that it looked like a big "Jerry Lewis tooth" when the hood was opened...LOL

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Often referred to as the "guillotine" by mechanics. :)

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    Or if anything, the head cracker...I know I've done it a few times.

    @MrShift@Edmunds said:
    Often referred to as the "guillotine" by mechanics. :)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,748

    @fintail said:
    Or if anything, the head cracker...I know I've done it a few times.

    Ugh. I do it every damned time. I'm very surprised I haven't broken the grille yet.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,122

    Yikes! And it has a carb! Take that money and find the best '83 GTI you can, and have FUN!

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Is this some kind of joke? A rust-bucket Rabbit for over $7K--someone, somewhere, has gone stark raving mad.

  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,430

    what a junker. Why someone paid that is a mystery to me. And man, I can't believe VW made something that stripped in 1975. Drum brakes? An interior that would embarrass a Trabant? Wow.

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  • tifightertifighter Member Posts: 3,791

    Yeah, I'm not getting that one. There are a lot of Golf heads out there, but I can't see the appeal here.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    Totally crap car to begin with.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,454

    I love those door panels.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481

    The entire car is a living metaphor for LACK.

  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,696

    A good friend of mine had a 1980 VW Rabbit diesel when we were in high school. That was such a great car - a veritable micro-tank! Top speed was 55 mph. Hahahahaha; great times!

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  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes Member Posts: 1,019

    I had a '75 Rabbit in high school. Looks like a few more options than that one. Had constant carburetor problems, shifter bushings on the four-speed were so bad no one could drive it but me, and the wheel bearings and I don't remember what else went bad in the few years I owned it. I finally had to junk it in the early eighties when the front subframe rotted out and the suspension had nothing to attach to.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165

    Heck, the Omni/Horizon may well have been a better car! I think it's fair to say that it wasn't the union that killed the VW PA plant back then. TN doesn't look like that plant and product is blowing out the business either so far. I'm thinking VW has gone too generic with it's latest stuff?

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