With Japanese metal of this era becoming popular, a mint Crown coupe would be worth a little money, but not quite the 27K the owner thought he could get for that green one - I was thinking maybe around a third of that.
I don't imagine anyone ever will---but they might preserve some survivors. Cars like that one just get passed from one idle dreamer to another, without much ever getting done to them.
As usual, started right up and ran without complaint. Turn signals are doing well too - biggest annoyance is a dash rattle that I think involves the radio, and only comes out on certain road surfaces.
I got several chats about the car today. First, went to the gas station, where a guy approached me before I got out of the car. Then drove the car to an estate sale where a few people asked about it. I don't think a modern Ferrari would get that kind of attention here.
Don't know if there's an upside here---no engine, lots of rust. All restored could bring $300K, but you're looking at a long road ahead. Must be easier ways to make a buck. $80K? Ouch!
I can't even imagine how upside down you would be on this car if you actually tried to restore it. I also think the seller is a bit optimistic on how much the parts are worth, otherwise it would be parted out already! Or maybe his tetanus shot is not up to date.
And there seem to be a bunch of people that like old Olds/Pontiac wagons around here. This one is not as nice. But much cheaper! But obviously no profit potential.
Both for the wrecking yard I'm afraid. Even a '65 Impala SS 396 isn't worth all that much money. You'd restore this if it were a '71 Hemi Cuda convertible--because they only made 7 of them.
Both for the wrecking yard I'm afraid. Even a '65 Impala SS 396 isn't worth all that much money. You'd restore this if it were a '71 Hemi Cuda convertible--because they only made 7 of them.
I just did a Google search, and you can get new quarter panels and floor pans for a '65 Impala. Now, how well they fit, that might be a different story! By 1965-70, the floor pan might have been the same for all B-bodies, and for all years, so a part like that might not be too hard to find. Even the C-body might be similar up front, but probably elongated in the rear footrest area.
I think 1964 and earlier, floor pans might not be as interchangable, because some cars used an X-frame, while some used a perimeter frame. And often, the transmission would even make a difference. For example, there were a few years where Catalinas and Grand Prixes used a different floor pan from the Star Chief/Bonneville, because the smaller cars used a Slim-Jim automatic while the bigger ones used the old-style HydraMatic, which was a physically larger transmission.
GC is a real shop. And doing customer cars. Though they never talk about what the jobs cost! Has to be a lot.
The only legit looking place that shows the bill is the one down in Norfolk. I forget name of show now though. But he breaks out parts and labor costs,mand just follow customer jobs,
Gas monkey and WD are just entertainment, and what they show as cost is meaningless.
"I have for sale a 1999 Mazda Miata 1.8. Cosmetically needs work but car runs good asking 3000 obo. Willing to trade for another real wheel drive car "
GC is a real shop. And doing customer cars. Though they never talk about what the jobs cost! Has to be a lot.
The only legit looking place that shows the bill is the one down in Norfolk. I forget name of show now though. But he breaks out parts and labor costs,mand just follow customer jobs,
Gas monkey and WD are just entertainment, and what they show as cost is meaningless.
GC? Translation please.
The Norfolk place is the Fantom Works show, which I don't mind as much as most of these. Dan Short runs DRS Automotive Fantom Works and although there is some manufactured drama involved in the show, most of the people seem real and not caricatures like so many of the others. I do like the way they break out the bill and am amazed at some of the tabs that people run up without batting an eye.
GC is graveyard carz. also a real shop, up in Oregon (Salem?) They do OEM type Mopar restorations to show quality. Done some nice Superbirds.
Yeah, Fantom works. I did read about it, and it is real customers. They just pick some that are interesting, and agree to be followed for the show. I would trust Dan to work on my car! If you look at some of the projects, not hard to see how they eat up 80-100 hours, on smaller jobs, and that adds up. And most of what they do are more normal cars, not high $ classics. He is clear with some of the people up front that they will spend more than the car will be worth, but they do it anyway for sentimental reasons.
At $150K-$175K, one would be much much better off finding a 1965 Chevrolet Impala that was already in Concours condition! The only reason I would have for spending such an enormous sum on a particular car is if I was really sentimental and had an unlimited budget - i.e. the car once belonged to my Dad and I'm a billionaire.
For 175K, you could find a '65 Impala convertible in concours condition, buy it, and still have money left over for a new Mercedes and a trip around the world.
I like Graveyard because it does seem to get pretty real about the work involved. It's the only show where I've seen them cutting rust out of a firewall. The head guy seems to know everything that can be known about his mopars. I remember one Charger where the talked cost. I think that it was $40k for a 318 fuselage car. On Phantom, I like that they get into costs, but I do have an issue with the never bats an eye part. Some of those bills are tremendous and nonbody ever complains that they could have reused more parts?
Ideally that all works out but there's always costs overruns with classic cars. On some very rare or exotic cars, no shop in their right mind would create a budget----perhaps a rough ballpark.
I remember one sign in a restoration shop in CA that caters to doing top notch Pebble Beach restorations of every bizarre old car you can think of (think Leno's Garage and such).
The sign says: "It will cost a fortune and it will take forever--anything else you need to know?"
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http://bringatrailer.com/2008/06/23/stately-japanese-2-door-1972-toyota-crown-ms75/
Here's one in nicer condition for the same basic price.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C664249
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C357975#
With Japanese metal of this era becoming popular, a mint Crown coupe would be worth a little money, but not quite the 27K the owner thought he could get for that green one - I was thinking maybe around a third of that.
https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/5404887849.html
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Looks like someone is trying to cut losses - it seldom works that way.
As usual, started right up and ran without complaint. Turn signals are doing well too - biggest annoyance is a dash rattle that I think involves the radio, and only comes out on certain road surfaces.
I got several chats about the car today. First, went to the gas station, where a guy approached me before I got out of the car. Then drove the car to an estate sale where a few people asked about it. I don't think a modern Ferrari would get that kind of attention here.
http://www.sportscardigest.com/cars-for-sale/yard-find-1957-porsche-356-speedster/
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/5430358299.html
(He's dreaming--a rebuilt engine is $18,000. A clean 1999 Porsche 996 is worth $15,000. Do the math).
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or of course, could get a couple of cases of beer and a wrecked Camaro, and shove a SBC in it!
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https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5415835315.html
And there seem to be a bunch of people that like old Olds/Pontiac wagons around here. This one is not as nice. But much cheaper! But obviously no profit potential.
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5413339246.html
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I think 1964 and earlier, floor pans might not be as interchangable, because some cars used an X-frame, while some used a perimeter frame. And often, the transmission would even make a difference. For example, there were a few years where Catalinas and Grand Prixes used a different floor pan from the Star Chief/Bonneville, because the smaller cars used a Slim-Jim automatic while the bigger ones used the old-style HydraMatic, which was a physically larger transmission.
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The only legit looking place that shows the bill is the one down in Norfolk. I forget name of show now though. But he breaks out parts and labor costs,mand just follow customer jobs,
Gas monkey and WD are just entertainment, and what they show as cost is meaningless.
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"I have for sale a 1999 Mazda Miata 1.8. Cosmetically needs work but car runs good asking 3000 obo. Willing to trade for another real wheel drive car "
GC? Translation please.
The Norfolk place is the Fantom Works show, which I don't mind as much as most of these. Dan Short runs DRS Automotive Fantom Works and although there is some manufactured drama involved in the show, most of the people seem real and not caricatures like so many of the others. I do like the way they break out the bill and am amazed at some of the tabs that people run up without batting an eye.
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Yeah, Fantom works. I did read about it, and it is real customers. They just pick some that are interesting, and agree to be followed for the show. I would trust Dan to work on my car! If you look at some of the projects, not hard to see how they eat up 80-100 hours, on smaller jobs, and that adds up. And most of what they do are more normal cars, not high $ classics. He is clear with some of the people up front that they will spend more than the car will be worth, but they do it anyway for sentimental reasons.
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On Phantom, I like that they get into costs, but I do have an issue with the never bats an eye part. Some of those bills are tremendous and nonbody ever complains that they could have reused more parts?
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I remember one sign in a restoration shop in CA that caters to doing top notch Pebble Beach restorations of every bizarre old car you can think of (think Leno's Garage and such).
The sign says: "It will cost a fortune and it will take forever--anything else you need to know?"
$5,000 craigs challenge
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5411383163.html Award winner??? What???
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5441161773.html E320. Does back seat look more worn than the fronts?
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5443142548.html Not your every day build
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5435434840.html Scandinavian styling
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5443196730.html Spitfire
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5420157668.html 5 series
http://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/5450297832.html Looks like a good GT
And no rust on a spitfire means you just didn't look hard enough. Like, at all.
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Worse ways to spend $3500 than on that 5-series, but gotta be very very careful, of course.
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Spitfire----the ominous phrase "runs and drives"....translation: "You were expecting windshield wipers and brakes?"
I am guessing the E320 owner had large dogs in the back.
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