Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,662
    Some of those are pretty impressive. I do wonder though how many have had engine replacements? I see the Acura has. Some of the "sales pitches" are interesting. Well seems like 400K is just about the "outer limits". I suspect the last 100K are the hardest.
    I am simply amazed when anyone drives the same thing for so long.

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  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Omar - does that Pontiac make you think of Joni Mitchell and her song "Big Yellow Taxi" B)
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,054
    Most all the >250k mile vehicles on cars.com are pickups and other work trucks. Then a few Lincolns, misc. Japanese cars and some odds and ends.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    qbrozen said:

    Defender ad claims recent respray

    That mileage may be in Km, since the vehicle was imported from Italy, where nothing ever rusts and where paperwork, VIN plates and former repairs are "Non c'è problema!" B)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    qbrozen said:



    Some of those are pretty impressive. I do wonder though how many have had engine replacements? I see the Acura has.

    Some of the "sales pitches" are interesting.

    Well seems like 400K is just about the "outer limits". I suspect the last 100K are the hardest.


    I am simply amazed when anyone drives the same thing for so long.

    I'd be bored with the Solara in two weeks. :s
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    berri said:

    Omar - does that Pontiac make you think of Joni Mitchell and her song "Big Yellow Taxi" B)

    Yep. Joni and the cartoon video played on the Sonny and Cher show. Good stuff.
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,502

    There is that little dot between the 3's on the navigator. :)

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,070
    "Original miles" never fails to baffle me. What are non-original miles? Nobody has ever explained that to me.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,946
    that just means actual miles. As opposed to the ODO stopped or was changed out.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,946
    I don't drive enough miles now on any car to get to those high miles before I turn 100 (or die, whichever comes first). For a bit I had a 95 mile RT commute. If I did that for an extended time, then I would have been putting 25-30K per year on the car, so doable since 200K would only be 7 or 8 years.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,690
    I’ve been in Panther limos/taxis reading into the upper 500k range on more than a few occasions.  

    They really do take a beating.  If you ask almost any city taxi/livery driver they all universally miss the Panther.  


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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,690

    qbrozen said:
    Some of those are pretty impressive. I do wonder though how many have had engine replacements? I see the Acura has. Some of the "sales pitches" are interesting. Well seems like 400K is just about the "outer limits". I suspect the last 100K are the hardest.
    I am simply amazed when anyone drives the same thing for so long.
    I get antsy after one year and less than 10k Miles. 

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,070
    tjc78 said:

    I’ve been in Panther limos/taxis reading into the upper 500k range on more than a few occasions.  

    They really do take a beating.  If you ask almost any city taxi/livery driver they all universally miss the Panther.  


    It is rather amazing. Back when I was working, we used a car service that had a fleet of Town Cars and those routinely did 300K miles. They would do the necessary maintenance/repair/replacement of the mechanicals, but the bodies and interiors all looked nearly new. It was remarkable. Going back a decade or two, the local taxi fleets swore by the last of the GM B-body Olds Delta 88s, which went out of production in '85. Those things were used by the fleets here for 20 years and racked up huge mileage numbers.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,401
    edited March 2018
    High miles

    Really astonishing how good some of these cars look. Used to be, cars could be used up at 100K and they would look it. Bodies really do hold up pretty well now
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Good service and a garage makes a big difference. Also where you live.

    I think livery cars do much better than taxis. In a city cab all kinds of disgusting things happen.

    Fleet owners like to squeeze every drop, but if there's an abnormal amount of down time, then it's time for retirement.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,901
    tjc78 said:



    qbrozen said:



    Some of those are pretty impressive. I do wonder though how many have had engine replacements? I see the Acura has.

    Some of the "sales pitches" are interesting.

    Well seems like 400K is just about the "outer limits". I suspect the last 100K are the hardest.


    I am simply amazed when anyone drives the same thing for so long.

    I get antsy after one year and less than 10k Miles. 

    So your saying your due for some new car purchases then!
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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,502
    edited March 2018
    No, I think he's saying that he is going to have a hard time sitting still for the next few years. :p
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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 16,690
    edited March 2018
    Yep .. sitting 20 months till my next punch (well maybe 16 ish )

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,946
    I am either sitting 5 months, or a couple of years I guess, depending on what I do with the Elantra and my daughter.

    I do know that in 4 months, I will be dropping 1 car off the payroll when the Jetta goes back.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,401
    stickguy said:

    that just means actual miles. As opposed to the ODO stopped or was changed out.

    Or not original driveline
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    edited March 2018
    Had the old dear out on a nice cool spring-like day. Got a lot of looks, and a guy came to ask me about the car when I was topping off the tank. The car started right up and ran fine as usual. Gratuitous pic:



    The whitewalls seem to have mellowed a little after 5 years, which I like - I don't want them to look too stark and bright.

    And a new little issue, the front passenger seat has a little split going on at a seam in the vinyl:



    Kind of weird, as the seat is seldom occupied, maybe a couple times a year. Must just be 50+ years catching up with it. I will try gluing it back.



  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    A good upholstery shop can fix that. Trouble is all of the stitching may be brittle now.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    If I get into that, I might as well have it reupholstered. The passenger seat is the best one - the drivers seat has a few small splits like that which I have glued back, and the rear has no splits, but isn't perfect either. I suspect the stitching or however the vinyl is held together is indeed just failing with time. I worry about the headliner stitching too - most of it looks great, but I can imagine it going. The car isn't getting any younger.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    You could take a Road Trip! Drive it down the coast to Tijuana! They will do your interior while you wait!

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    edited March 2018
    I'm persnickety. Assuming the car would make it that far, I would want it done right - correct material and textures. Maybe not possible in an old fashioned tuck and roll job.

    Really, I will just patch it up and call it "patina" - restoring the car in such a way would be a slippery slope. Do the upholstery, you'll want to do the wood and the rest of the interior. Then paint and body. Chrome, engine, suspension. Then 50K is gone.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    You could take a Road Trip! Drive it down the coast to Tijuana! They will do your interior while you wait!

    ...and strip it like the Family Truckster in Vacation B)
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,401
    Since Spring is supposedly Springing

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-oldsmobile-442-holiday/6526236652.html 67 442. These have grown on me lately and this one looks quite nice

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/65-el-camino-deluxe-california/6522621943.html 65 el camino. Some pics the paint looks really good and others it looks flat

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-mercedes-convertable-560/6537386823.html 'everyone else is asking 11 to 20k'

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-ford-galaxie-xl/6537304659.html Cool full sizer but has been in an accident

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1973-triumph-tr6/6537131048.html TR6 with frame off resto. Always wonder when I see a restored car with cheapo no name tires

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/air-conditioningcruise/6537067757.html Is this one too good to be true?

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1971-volvo-142e/6524768198.html Nicest 71 Volvo left. I mostly don't get it. Seats look surprisingly nice

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,662
    edited March 2018
    Wagon price makes sense to me. Seems fairly shabby.

    Are TR6s really worth that much these days? 

    Love the Volvo, but not THAT much. Maybe $9500 worth if its perfect. Not a real-world price, just my gut reaction to it if I were buying.

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,070
    I'm a bit suspicious of the wagon but hard to tell.

    The 4-4-2 is nice enough and probably priced close to what it ought to be.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,054
    330,000 on that Volvo, with no description of engine work? I'd want to know...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    Yeah, the Volvo seems oddly priced, and I get a flip to hipsters vibe from the seller.

    If the 560SL checks out, no harm done at that price.

    I am suspicious of the wagon, too.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2018
    gsemike said:

    Since Spring is supposedly Springing

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-oldsmobile-442-holiday/6526236652.html 67 442. These have grown on me lately and this one looks quite nice

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/65-el-camino-deluxe-california/6522621943.html 65 el camino. Some pics the paint looks really good and others it looks flat

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-mercedes-convertable-560/6537386823.html 'everyone else is asking 11 to 20k'

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1967-ford-galaxie-xl/6537304659.html Cool full sizer but has been in an accident

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1973-triumph-tr6/6537131048.html TR6 with frame off resto. Always wonder when I see a restored car with cheapo no name tires

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/air-conditioningcruise/6537067757.html Is this one too good to be true?

    https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/1971-volvo-142e/6524768198.html Nicest 71 Volvo left. I mostly don't get it. Seats look surprisingly nice

    Don't ever advertise an old Mercedes as "barn fresh". Guy doesn't even know the color of his own car. Median auction value on a 560SL is $17K, so what's up?

    Caprice Wagon --price is market correct for a car in "fair condition"--daily driver with some wear and tear.

    TR6-- guy needs to check his registration. I don't think it's a '73. It's pricey for a small bumper version. Clean, later model ones are getting up there in price, yeah---high teens.

    '71 Volvo---good sturdy cars but the price is moonbat crazy. Try about 1/3rd of that.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,946
    I always lusted after the TR6. I could live with that one. But not for that price!

    and I love the Volvo, but agree the price seems, well, pricey! So many memories looking at that dashboard (we had a 1969 144 when I was a kid, that I learned to drive on). I would love to have that one, miles be darned.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,946
    another one I saw listed, and looked through the pictures, and really liked. Until I saw the price.

    http://www.twinpineford.com/used/Chrysler/1989-Chrysler-Conquest-b8d3c8df0a0e0aea5a71343d296d7b19.htm?searchDepth=9:9

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    Eisenhower's Cadillac involved in a bit of a scrape in Germany - some ironic WW2 joke can maybe be made, gotta think about it.

    Apparently some other cars on the road crashed, getting tangled with the Caddy trailer, which detached and tipped. This will actually be buffed right out, no doubt.
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,401
    ab348 said:

    I'm a bit suspicious of the wagon but hard to tell.

    The 4-4-2 is nice enough and probably priced close to what it ought to be.

    Maybe it's a northeast thing, but those words 'big block chevy' are gold here. The wagon has interesting options with power windows and locks, and looks driver clean. With the combo, it would be a hit a cruise nights.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    stickguy said:

    I always lusted after the TR6. I could live with that one. But not for that price!

    and I love the Volvo, but agree the price seems, well, pricey! So many memories looking at that dashboard (we had a 1969 144 when I was a kid, that I learned to drive on). I would love to have that one, miles be darned.

    The 140 series Volvos were pretty rugged in *most* areas (such as front end suspension and the bottom end of the engine, and the manual transmission) but had weaknesses that would certainly come out in a high mileage car. That engine can run fairly decently with a very flat camshaft--people spend a lot of money trying to make the engine not so gutless but they don't usually address the "soft" camshafts, which of course, are the problem.

    Other weaknesses include fiber timing gears that strip (get steel ones), tiny u-joints that always break, and an exhaust system held up entirely by little rubber doughnuts. Erratic idle speed is almost always worn throttle shafts in the oteherwise brilliant SU carbs.
  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    What does D stand for in D Day? Detroit.

    I think the story translates as, "A large hunk of Detroit iron hurtled into the path of several German vehicles rendering them broken and blocking their retreat from the battle field. "

    Picture caption: "D Day plus infinity."

    I can't read German so I could be wrong.
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    1 minute CL browse finds two oddities.

    1 of 1 with an electric clock! - I like this kind of minutiae.

    After almost 40 years, this is how these survive here - not a common sight in the 21st century, probably make a fun race alongside a 240D automatic.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 52,946
    that beast must swill gas at a furious pace.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    That Torino might be worth close to that--depending on how it looks top to bottom--the photos don't really show much. Good that it's an automatic--you wouldn't want to row that barge.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    edited March 2018
    RE: '79 Honda---do they have any smog testing in the Seattle area? That car couldn't be registered in CA.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,901

    RE: '79 Honda---do they have any smog testing in the Seattle area? That car couldn't be registered in CA.

    I thought old cars were exempt in CA?
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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,070
    edited March 2018
    Being 1 of 1 with a clock is probably not a huge selling feature.

    Decent enough car, looks nice and colors are good, though I never liked the poverty hubcap look, but it probably fits with that particular car. Wonder if they fixed the horn yet.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    andres3 said:

    RE: '79 Honda---do they have any smog testing in the Seattle area? That car couldn't be registered in CA.

    I thought old cars were exempt in CA?
    1975 and older only.

    I can understand why he put a Weber carb on there, as the original Honda carburetors of that era are a devil to rebuild. The various orifices in them are so tiny that its sometimes near impossible to clear them. On the down side of the Weber, though, you get a finnicky carb that is really designed for WOT operation.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    25 year rule here, most diesels and 2010+ models are also exempt.

    RE: '79 Honda---do they have any smog testing in the Seattle area? That car couldn't be registered in CA.

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    Regarding the Cobra, I think it is pretty cool too. I remember that dash on the 68 Fairlane my dad had in the 90s, and it had the same hubcaps (white on white 289 3 on the tree sedan with no options other than radio - I'd like a Marti report on that).
  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 20,070
    Little-remembered fact: the '68 Fairlane/Torino had conventional white-on-black instruments in those 4 pods but for '69 Ford changed them to black-on-silver. Better-looking but much harder to read.

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  • omarmanomarman Member Posts: 2,702
    I'm liking the '69 Cobra but I can't love it without pics underneath. Still just from the seller's ad it's an impressive old beast.

    In HS I used to have a '68 Torino GT with 390/automatic and a friend used to take me cruising in her dad's '70 Cobra with a 429/4-speed. That '70 Cobra showed its best side on the highway where cruising at +100 mph was effortless. Around town it was more like a workout for the driver and the gas mileage seemed worse!
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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,241
    I didn't know that about the instruments. I just remember the blank hole for the optional clock.

    That 289 car was kind of a chore to drive as well, manual steering and brakes along with the 3 on the tree. I didn't care for driving it, but my dad loved it.
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