Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

qbrozen

oldfarmer50 said:

I had the FWD version of that 85’ Toyota truck.

Well, that ain't right. Unless it was 4wd and the rear driveshaft was removed.

ab348

Perhaps the rear driveshaft succumbed to the upstate NY rust.

Speaking of which, I was in traffic here the other day and got behind a rollback that pulled out of the Toyota dealer with 3 or 4 well-rusted pickup frames strapped to the deck that they must have replaced, heading no doubt to the scrap dealer.

oldfarmer50

qbrozen said:

oldfarmer50 said:

I had the FWD version of that 85’ Toyota truck.

Well, that ain't right. Unless it was 4wd and the rear driveshaft was removed.

I guess I meant to say 2 wheel drive version. By the time I dumped it, it might have been a one wheel drive.

stickguy

speaking of rusty trucks, I see a bunch on my daily walks since they are building houses up the road from me, so lots of work trucks. And seems that all but the newest have rust showing.

best was a roofer across the street from me with a Dodge (dually I think) Ram. the entire outer bed was gone, to well above the wheel arches (maybe a foot below the top bed rail remained). And they had covered the open space with black roofing membrane (the rubbery stuff that is sticky on one side). At least it was a black truck, but it looked quite silly. especially since much of it was torn up.

there are some trucks up here that you can just tell by the rockers and visible pieces that the frame must be crepe paper.

tjc78

I saw an F150 the other day with a sag in the middle so bad it looked as if it will break in half at any time. No worries in Jersey as long as it has no check engine light they will pass it

stickguy

one positive to NY is they still require a real safety check. And inspections are pretty cheap ($22 I think). They actually pull a wheel and check brakes, suspension integrity, and the frame for dangerous rot.

I assume some of the stuff running around is going with the cash under the table for a sticker plan, though I think these days it isn't that easy to find someone to do that because if they get caught the penalties are steep.

fintail

I remember when I visited MI a few years ago, the amount of trucks that appeared to be ~10 years old and rotten beyond redemption was staggering to me. Alien idea out here where I see completely intact 70s trucks still parked outside year round.

stickguy

down in Jersey (Philly area) we still have winter and salted roads on occasion, but cars still hold up. What is really shocking is seeing relatively recent stuff up here (2010s era) with rot through. Cars just aren't supposed to do that any longer. not just trucks, but pickups seem to be the worst offender.

the central/western part of NY state is even worse. That extends into the northern part of PA.

if you ever watch any of south main auto's videos on Youtube you see it in all the gory detail. Had one recently of a 2012 or so Outback that failed inspection because the front subframe was swiss cheese and had to be replaced. I am used to my cars in that age range still looking brand new underneath.

one reason If I decided to get a used bigger truck as a beater instead of a new maverick, I would not do it up here. Would have to go to Florida or S. Carolina to find a clean one!

fintail

stickguy said:

down in Jersey (Philly area) we still have winter and salted roads on occasion, but cars still hold up. What is really shocking is seeing relatively recent stuff up here (2010s era) with rot through. Cars just aren't supposed to do that any longer. not just trucks, but pickups seem to be the worst offender.

the central/western part of NY state is even worse. That extends into the northern part of PA.

if you ever watch any of south main auto's videos on Youtube you see it in all the gory detail. Had one recently of a 2012 or so Outback that failed inspection because the front subframe was swiss cheese and had to be replaced. I am used to my cars in that age range still looking brand new underneath.

one reason If I decided to get a used bigger truck as a beater instead of a new maverick, I would not do it up here. Would have to go to Florida or S. Carolina to find a clean one!

There's a YTer in MD I think - I forget the name but he does a lot of surplus government auctions, who shows cars there that surprise me with their rust - they must salt heavily . Also surprising underhood corrosion, along with brake lines etc. Something I am not used to here, a way to spot an east coast car (not meant in a good way).

tjc78

I’ve said this before I think, but years back my old boss bought a 2013 Tahoe LTZ as an office vehicle. It was just two years old with maybe 20K miles. He got it from his brother who ran a Chevy dealer in upstate NY.

Well… that thing was so rusted underneath in just two years that we had all kinds of problems with it. The harness for the air suspension, entire exhaust, a caliper hung and more. I remember seeing it on a lift and if you didn’t know it looked ten years old.

oldfarmer50

stickguy said:

one positive to NY is they still require a real safety check. And inspections are pretty cheap ($22 I think). They actually pull a wheel and check brakes, suspension integrity, and the frame for dangerous rot.

I assume some of the stuff running around is going with the cash under the table for a sticker plan, though I think these days it isn't that easy to find someone to do that because if they get caught the penalties are steep.

NY is primarily focused on emissions. I’ve never had a vehicle fail for rust although I’ve had my mechanic point out structural rust problems when in for other issues. Those cars I took off the road myself. You can have vehicles as rusted out as that roofing truck pass. If NY was like Vermont and a few other states which fail you for rusty rockers and fenders there would be no supply of spray foam and Bondo left in the state.

oldfarmer50

fintail said:

stickguy said:

down in Jersey (Philly area) we still have winter and salted roads on occasion, but cars still hold up. What is really shocking is seeing relatively recent stuff up here (2010s era) with rot through. Cars just aren't supposed to do that any longer. not just trucks, but pickups seem to be the worst offender.

the central/western part of NY state is even worse. That extends into the northern part of PA.

if you ever watch any of south main auto's videos on Youtube you see it in all the gory detail. Had one recently of a 2012 or so Outback that failed inspection because the front subframe was swiss cheese and had to be replaced. I am used to my cars in that age range still looking brand new underneath.

one reason If I decided to get a used bigger truck as a beater instead of a new maverick, I would not do it up here. Would have to go to Florida or S. Carolina to find a clean one!

There's a YTer in MD I think - I forget the name but he does a lot of surplus government auctions, who shows cars there that surprise me with their rust - they must salt heavily . Also surprising underhood corrosion, along with brake lines etc. Something I am not used to here, a way to spot an east coast car (not meant in a good way).

I’ve seen that guy and I was shocked at how degraded some of those vehicles are.

oldfarmer50

“one reason If I decided to get a used bigger truck as a beater instead of a new maverick, I would not do it up here. Would have to go to Florida or S. Carolina to find a clean one!”

Florida cars:

stickguy

they will fail you for rotted frame or suspension components. rusted out rockers or fenders (especially on a BOF truck) is really not a safety issue.

possible your mechanic is playing fast and loose with the rules but that is a good way to get in a whole heap of trouble, and lose his license.

I know from watching the rural vermonter Youtube channel how crazy Vermont is about it, and how cheesy a rocker repair can be to get it to pass. If they want no rust, stop putting down so much brine and salt to rot everything out.

xwesx

stickguy said:

I know from watching the rural vermonter Youtube channel how crazy Vermont is about it, and how cheesy a rocker repair can be to get it to pass. If they want no rust, stop putting down so much brine and salt to rot everything out.

Amen! Road salting is a vehicular and environmental travesty.

Michaell

xwesx said:

stickguy said:

I know from watching the rural vermonter Youtube channel how crazy Vermont is about it, and how cheesy a rocker repair can be to get it to pass. If they want no rust, stop putting down so much brine and salt to rot everything out.

Amen! Road salting is a vehicular and environmental travesty.

Fortunately, Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads, and gravel. No salt for us.

sda

Michaell said:

xwesx said:

stickguy said:

I know from watching the rural vermonter Youtube channel how crazy Vermont is about it, and how cheesy a rocker repair can be to get it to pass. If they want no rust, stop putting down so much brine and salt to rot everything out.

Amen! Road salting is a vehicular and environmental travesty.

Fortunately, Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads, and gravel. No salt for us.

I thought that combination was equally corrosive especially with gravel pecking away the paint.

Michaell

sda said:

Michaell said:

xwesx said:

stickguy said:

I know from watching the rural vermonter Youtube channel how crazy Vermont is about it, and how cheesy a rocker repair can be to get it to pass. If they want no rust, stop putting down so much brine and salt to rot everything out.

Amen! Road salting is a vehicular and environmental travesty.

Fortunately, Colorado uses mag chloride on the roads, and gravel. No salt for us.

I thought that combination was equally corrosive especially with gravel pecking away the paint.

Granted, I haven’t really owned a car long enough to know, but the Subaru is 8 years old and the MINI 9, and I don’t see any corrosion on either.

fintail

Quick CL jaunt:

Spec seems odd

Oh baby

Lots of Big Idaho Energy going on here (north Idaho, overpriced, huge project, low upside, seller with a chip on his shoulder, etc)

Velour

Lower price? This might be closing in on a fair deal

I'd love to see this name resurrected for the offended reactions

Loaded

Maybe not bad for the money

Odd color combo (and price)

Cool but not sure what you'd do with it outside of expensive cosplay

Slushy turbo

Roller skate missing a part

stickguy

That S600 will eat somebody alive.

The Nissan is cool but the automatic just kills it.

kyfdx

Cloth interior in the Lincoln is weird, but my mother had those 50/50 seats in both of her '70s era Lincolns.

Subie: I'm never getting a car with motorized belts. We had one, and that was enough

oldfarmer50

My son had a 93’ DeVille just like that 91’ but with the better 4.9L engine. You could play basketball in the back seat it had so much room.

texases

That Swinger - like my brother's car in HS, ran forever. 'oil pump worn out' UH OH! If the best-lubricated part of the engine is worn out, wonder how the rest is...

Maverick - I haven't found another two-tone paint on a sedan, maybe a repaint. And 'leather'? I think not!

Model T - running ones typically don't get bid over $10,000 on Ebay, think of all the work this one needs.

ab348

The description of that Maverick is simply crazy. Those were lousy cars even when new.

Not much in that assortment appeals to me.

gsemike

Not a project car but I can't remember last time I saw one of these turbo Volvo wagons and this looked impeccable

Definitely stood out in Manhattan

explorerx4

That's a fine looking wagon.

stickguy

I would buy one and scrap the truck, if I could find the unicorn (fully sorted, not rusted, reasonable miles, manual trans and not too expensive!)

the 850s go pretty far back at this point. Over 30 years now. Time flies.

fintail

Yep 850 arrived in the USDM for My 1993. Odd to think it qualifies as a vintage car to many.

gsemike

What's on Marketplace on Long Island

These camaros are on the rise.
Needs more pics

Single cab Taco The wheels don't help it

Disco Vette with claimed 1 owner and 60k miles Owner thinks it has more than one carb. I'd imagine it has cross-fire injection

This Belvedere is probably a parts car but could be a good source for bits and pieces

Could be a stylish weekend car for 5 grand Can't tell if this fender is wrinkled

fintail

SL looks rough, beware. Background cars also make me think masochist or curbstoner.

texases

Yeah, having the emergency roll bar in the 'up' position isn't a good thing, right?

explorerx4

Taco has had more than a recent oil change, a complete chassis change!

fintail

I think the rollbar can be manually raised (maybe?), but not sure why one would do it.

ab348

explorerx4 said:

Taco has had more than a recent oil change, a complete chassis change!

A genuine Toyota quality rust replacement frame!

gsemike

fintail said:

SL looks rough, beware. Background cars also make me think masochist or curbstoner.

He could be a guy the collects cars like this when they are on their last legs

stickguy

Saw this oddity on Facebook.

ab348

"Oddity" is one way to describe it. "Abomination" would be another.

kyfdx

Wow..

xwesx

The more I look at that, the more I wonder why that wasn't a factory option! That's not too far off from just removing the trunk lid; those things were huge!!!!

fintail

Cars back then could tow like trucks, too.

Crazy to think someone spent time and money making that - a labor of love.

oldfarmer50

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gsemike

Haven't checked out Craigs in a while

Marketplace has mostly replaced Craig's on Long Island once Craigs started charging, but there are still some cars listed here: I guess it's mostly dealers and curbstoners

2005 GMC 2500 w 80k miles

87 Seville looks really clean Look at that yollow interior

An Audi of this age is scary but could be fun good weather extra car

Drive an electric BMW for 10 grand

59 Ford Galaxy

This early X5 looks like it has held up well

This 86 Toyota van claims 68k miles But miles have been tough. The interior is mostly disintegrated and I suspect shot when wet to make body look better

oldfarmer50

Maybe I’m living in the past but that 18 yo GMC truck should be a third less. Otherwise I’d love it.

Didn’t that electric BMW only have like a 50 mile range?

The 59’ Ford would be my pick. Compared to other classic cars it seems cheap.

fintail

Caddy might be fair, that era is gaining steam and it is a real period piece. Deduct a little to change out the wheels to a period STS set.

sda

Too bad the Seville still has the 4.1. It does have a rare moonroof.

ab348

sda said:

Too bad the Seville still has the 4.1. It does have a rare moonroof.

I was just about to say that. I love the yellow inside and out!

stickguy

I actually like that Seville. For some reason that body style appealed to me. the colors, well, not what I would pick. And I hate the steering wheel. That would be a deal breaker, though easily changed in pre-airbag models!

that van, probably could tell some stories you would not want to hear. I assume the engine is in the box the front seats sit on. body does look clean enough. Just take it, get a sawzall and a case of bud light, a bunch of friends, and pretty soon will have an LS stuffed in there.

fintail

Early Allante had a similar steering wheel, which is my least favorite detail in the car.

Seville would look good on these wheels (these early "Touring" models seem to be pretty rare):

qbrozen

I also like the Caddy, and I'm disgusted with myself for it.

texases

I'd rather go older...


or younger...