2009 Toyota Corolla

mackabee

Read my post again. I did not assume a thing. Assume makes an [non-permissible content removed] out of you and me.
Mack

eldaino

yahoo autos is the worst place to get anything car related.

imho ofcourse.

kdhspyder

4 Models
Base : 4AT & 5MT
LE : 4AT only
S : 4AT & 5MT
XRS : 5AT & 5MT

1.8L 2ZR-FE

Options:
AW, CK, CL, EJ, EV, LA, NV, PO, RF, SR, SX, UP, VS

It appears that the shipments start in Nov

nippononly

Interesting, that they expect to start shipping in November, yet they are not going to sell the new model as an '08.

Remarkable, that they have chosen to continue a 4AT for a second time after 4ATs ceased to be market-competitive (the first instance being the 4AT in the new RAV4, despite the availability of a 5AT with that engine in other models). Remarkable, and unwise.

I do not know the options package codes as you do: are side airbags/curtains and ABS still optional on lower trims? And no info yet on the optional engine for the XRS? My bet is still on the 2.4 from the Camry, hopefully "tuned up" a bit to maybe 175, 185 hp or so.

kdhspyder

SCA and ABS/BA are standard while VSC is optional on all but the XRS where it's standard.

Apparently the Aussie version was also debuted with the 4AT/5MT combo. No 5MT on the LE trim which makes sense. It may be production in Nov '07 with shipments shortly thereafter.

backy

Not offering an MT on ALL trims of a car that is desired for fuel economy doesn't make any sense at all to me. This is different than the strategy used by all other competitors.

Also, not offering the 5AT on the LE seems odd. I can see a 4AT on the entry-level CE, aka the Hertz Special.

I am really glad to see ABS and SCA standard on all trims--good move by Toyota and more competitive with Honda, Hyundai et. al.

jaxs1

Where is this coming from?

mackabee

IF you would have bothered to read the entire article you would have seen it originated at Forbes.com and not yahoo autos.
Mackabee

mackabee

AW, CK, CL, EJ, EV, LA, NV, PO, RF, SR, SX, UP, VS

AW= alloy wheels
CK= all weather guard package
CL= cruise control
EJ= JBL sound system w/6cd changer
EV= extra value package
LA= leather trim
NV= Nav
PO= Power package
RF= rear spoiler
SR= moonroof
SX= sport package
UP= upgrade package
VS= vehicle stability control


Mackabee

jaxs1

Nav is new and leather is back again. Does leather include heat? I don't see seat heaters as a separate option. Will it have bluetooth with the JBL sound system and/or nav?
Too bad about the 4-speed automatic on a new model.

Hopefully it will also have adjustable tilt/height for the drivers seat and telescoping steering wheel so the driver can get into a comfortable and ergonomically correct driving comfortable position compared to the 2007s.

kdhspyder

Internal docs.

Yes the EJ does include BT. There is no indication about a power adj seat or tilt & telescoping steering wheel...yet.

mcdawgg

No 5MT on the LE? As an owner of a 5MT LE, I am not happy!

jaxs1

I don't expect power seats in the class of car, but at least manually ajustable height and tilt. I hope it at least has that.

nippononly

power package and extra value packages will still be add-ons for some trims. It sounds like the next Corolla will be more evolutionary than revolutionary....I kinda figured the new Corolla would get near the standard equipment level of the '97 Camry, which had standard ABS, power package, and cruise (except on the rental-grade CE). It IS 10 years later after all. No wait! It is ELEVEN years later! :-P

I wonder if the LE will have a substantial interior upgrade this time around. (more than just some splashes of plood like the current model).

jaxs1

So what if power package is optional on a Corolla CE? Big deal. It is a CE.

kdhspyder

more evolutionary than revolutionary....

The exact phrase I was thinking.

This still is the 'economy vehicle' segment so pricing and cost are still the key factors for most NA drivers. Toyota has to add the necessary safety features to stay competitive while making allowance for VSC in the very near future....while keeping the price in line. Thus I don't see the LE or Base models being much changed other than styling and a tweak to the engine.

It seems that they are reaching out to a wider segment of buyers with the S and XRS if these do have a different more powerful engine, such as the 2.0L 3ZR, along with leather and Navi and JBL/BT. These could be like the Euro-versions we've seen already. $22,000 Corolla? I think we can count on it.

mackabee

Check out www.toyota.co/en and go to the Australia link. You can download an e-brochure on the Corolla. They show a 6spd manual transmission as an option however, their trim level designations are different than ours. The four door hatch looks a lot like the four door Euro Yaris. The sedan looks like what we all think the 09 Corolla is going to be.
Mack

kdhspyder

The Matrix standard specs for the NADM are published as well.

sandman46

Tried that website and only saw the '08's.

The Sandman :confuse:

kdhspyder

I think what he was saying is that what you see on the Aussie site for the '08 Corolla is likely just what we'll see for the '09s here.

nippononly

Corolla only makes 31 mpg combined. :-(

I suppose that is under the Australian testing regimen - perhaps it will have a better rating here.

I like the looks - I hope the car looks a little less skinny and tall than our current model. It is hard to tell from the pictures if that has been accomplished.

How funny - on the Aussie model front power windows are standard but rear power windows are optional.

So how much is 100 kW in horsepower? I can never remember the conversions...

backy

Is that with converting the Aussie gallons to U.S. gallons?

sandman46

The site only showed the current Corolla models, nothing about the '09 version. Trust me, I know what the '08's look like...same as the '06 and '07. Toyota usually tweaks their cars in year four of their usual five year cycles. This version of the Corolla is going the extra year.

The Sandman

mcmanus

Currently Corolla LE 4A is $2,000 USD cheaper on the street than Civic LX 5A. IMO it's nice to have a cheaper comparable (mileage, realiability, resale) to Civic available.

If new Corolla prices out close to Civic without 5A or ABS it'll be in trouble. I don't mind the look, but appearing similar to Yaris or Camry isn't a real positive in my book (and I've bought two Camrys over the years).

OTOH the Scion xD 4A is $16,000 U.S.D. with the same engine plus ABS and hatchback versatility, so seems to me that the pressure will be one to hold costs on Corolla.

backy

I thought we just were told the '09 Corolla would have ABS and SCAs standard?

It's possible the new Corolla LE will actually start higher in price than the Civic LX, since the Civic has a MT available and the LE just the AT.

kdhspyder

Yes the new 09s will have ABS and SCA's standard, VSC will be an option on all but standard on the XRS.

ever12

"The Matrix standard specs for the NADM are published as well."

So it will be called the Matrix? Will it be a model unique for NA?

ever12

Will the XRS have the 160hp Camry engine? That might spell trouble as the last XRS had 164hp and only weighed 2500lbs. I'm betting the new Corolla will gain a good amount of weight. Will we get the 3 door Auris model?

kdhspyder

Over on TN in a similar thread a person who is very very knowledgable about everything Toyota, especially their engines, yesterday provided the missing links for the Corolla and probably the new Matrix

Base 5MT & 4AT will have the 1.8L 2ZR-FE ( tweaking of the current engine )
LE 4AT will also have the 1.8L 2ZR-FE

The S model 5MT & 4AT will have the new 2.0L 3ZR-FE
and...
The XRS 5MT & 5AT will have the even newer 2.0L 3ZR-FAE which includes the latest innovation - Valvematic.

The Matrix will have 7 models also..
2WD
..Base 5MT & 4AT
..S 5MT & 4AT
..XRS 5MT & 5AT

4WD
..S 5AT

I doubt the new Corolla will gain much weight at all. As mentioned above it's likely to be more 'evolutionary rather than revolutionary' at least in size and styling. The big news IMO is the ability to build yourself a Euro type Corolla with really really nice features and the two new engines, especially the valvematic improvement.

nippononly

no surprise of course, but too bad that with two new engines and this huge diversity of trims, there is no 6-speed manual anywhere in the mix. Sigh. I guess I should be thankful Toyota continued any manual offerings at all.....

I am assuming the XRS will have some tweaks to produce more than the 130 hp or so of the new 2.0L 3ZR-FE? Otherwise, there won't be much to distinguish it from the 'S' beyond available options, which would leave me saying "what's the point".

kdhspyder

From what I gather in the prior announcement of the Valvematic technology it increases fuel economy by 10+% while not hurting the hp rating. I will have to double check but I think the 2.0L 3ZR-FE gets in the 150 hp range. NA emissions standards may have an effect though.

Brief summary from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_ZR_engine

Toyota ZR engine
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The ZR engine family is a new generation of engines introduced in 2007 by Toyota Motor Corporation. All engines in the ZR family are 4 cylinder engines with desplacement varying from 1.6L to 2.0L . All engines in this engine family are also equipped with Toyota's new technology of Dual VVT-i.

Contents [hide]
1 1ZR-FE
2 2ZR-FE
3 3ZR-FAE
4 Links


[edit] 1ZR-FE
The Toyota 1ZR-FE is a DOHC, 16 valve, 1.6L (1598cc) engine equipped with Dual VVT-i, which means it has Variable Valve Timing on both the intake and exhaust valves. This engine is available with either manual gearbox or a "multi-mode" transmission. Output for this engine is rated at 124 hp at 6000rpm and 116 ft·lbf of torque at 5200 RPM.

Specs:
Engine type : In-Line 4-cylinder DOHC-16 valve
Bore x Stroke : 80.5 x 78.5 mm
Compression Ratio : 10.2:1
Applications:
Toyota Corolla

[edit] 2ZR-FE
The Toyota 2ZR-FE is a DOHC, 16 valve, 1.8L (1797cc) engine equipped with VVT-i. This all-new engine is now replacing the 1ZZ-FE engine in most applications. Output for this engine is rated at 136 hp at 6000 RPM and 129 ft·lbf of torque at 4400 RPM.

Specs:
Engine Type : In-Line 4-cylinder DOHC-16 valve
Bore x Stroke = 80.5 x 88.3 mm
Compression Ratio : 10.0:1
Weight : 97 kg (without fuel)
Applications:
Toyota Yaris TS
Toyota Corolla
Scion xD

[edit] 3ZR-FAE
Toyota's newest addition to the ZR series is the 3ZR-FAE. It is a 2.0L (1,986cc) DOHC, 16 valve engine with Toyota's new variable lift intake technology dubbed "Valvematic".

Specs:
Engine type : In-Line 4-cylinder DOHC-16 valve
158 PS (155 HP) at 6,200 rpm
144 lb-ft of torque 4,400 rpm
33 mpg
164 g/km of CO² emissions
Compared to Toyota's previous topline 2-liter 4-cylinder, the 3ZR-FAE with Valvematic is more powerful by eleven horses. As previously reported, the Valvematic tech should be applied to Toyota's full range of engines by 2010.

drfill

Have we confirmed that the '09 will look the same as the Corolla seen on YouTube, acing the EuroNCAP Crash Tests?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdCn8ci-mWM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbo_DNn-fOE

http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/search?q=corolla

It's looking that way. That would be a smart move. It looks larger and more upscale, but obviously a Corolla. I like what I see. Sweet!

DrFill

nippononly

"From what I gather in the prior announcement of the Valvematic technology it increases fuel economy by 10+% while not hurting the hp rating"

If wikipedia is to be believed, Toyota has taken the traditional route of increasing power while keeping fuel economy constant, rather than taking the path your comment suggests and increasing FE while holding power constant. Sigh.

Of course, there would otherwise be little to distinguish the S from the XRS, beyond the inevitable plastic skirts and God-knows-what that Toyota loves to tack on, and perhaps a few extra optional gizmos.

With only a 10 hp difference (and probably a plus-one tire fitment I would think) it is beginning to sound like the S would be the one I might be interested in. Have to do the Civic back-to-back test once the new Corolla arrives.

So no internal news on a possible 2-door model, or a wagon? (he asked hopefully)

drfill

Wouldn't mind seeing a 2-door, but the Matrix/Blade should have the wagonoid market sown up.

Don't see the reason to raise economy too much, as that would hamper any future Hybrid variant. Gotta leave room to grow, my friend. A 31/38 (from 28/37) would be cool with me.

I hope a 155HP Corolla means a 175-185HP Camry 4 is not too far away. With Altima and Accord powering up, Toyota should join the power party (with valvematic) by 2009.

DrFill

patwick

Wikipedia made an error regarding the all new 2ZR-FE 1.8 liter DOHC engine. Next to VVT-i it should say "Dual VVT-i". The 2ZR-FE is a Dual VVT-i DOHC motor. I recently read an article about Wikipedia posting inaccurate info on their website. The article said a lot of school students were using it as a resource and some school districts were discouraging their students from using it due to inaccuracies the school administrators found.

patwick

Does anyone here for sure know the following:

1.) Will the all new 2009 USDM Corolla sedan have a telescopic steering wheel?

2.) Will the all new 2009 USDM Corolla sedan get 4 wheel disc brakes standard?

3.) Will the all new 2009 USDM Corolla sedan get the Euro/Australian 3 spoke steering wheel or the Japan 4 spoke steering wheel?

4.) Will the all new 2009 USDM Corolla sedan be a completely new platform?

Thanks!

kdhspyder

From the brief announcement by Toyota, summarized here at Edmunds, it appears that the new Valvematic improves fuel economy ( 5-10% ), reduces emissions and improves output ~10%. Slick if they can.

It would put the 2.0L 3ZR-FAE in the 150 hp range with Avg FE ratings in the 33-35 mpg range again ( after the 2008 reductions ).

mackabee

Welcome back doc!

Mack

irismg

Excuse my ignorance, but how is a 2009 going to come out in November when the 2008s are just now getting to the car lots (here in OK) or have only been on the lots since about July??

Glad they're keeping the engine small, for the LE to not offer manual must mean it's pretty loaded, which would be sweet!

irismg

If this year's Camry and Yaris are any indication, they might put that rounded grille look on the new Corolla, to keep the look "in the family", so to speak. Don't like that "shaved with a cleaver" look the current generation Corollas have (not to mention the round tail lights), but I like softer edges, and hopefully they won't go overboard either so that it looks like a Taurus! :shades:

kdhspyder

It's a short year for the last Corolla of this Gen. Production will start Nov/Dec..shipments in Jan for Feb arrival at the retail level.

elemoncelli

I talked to a sales guy today here in Florida and he said the 2008s were just arriving and the 2009s will launch in early 2008 sometime around February. It's just one sales guy, but I thought I'd pass it along.

cubssoxs

figures to be correct when the current corolla if i remember correctly came out february 2002 as a 2003 model

so february 2008 sounds like a realistic date for the 2009's to come out

irismg

Well, I misunderstood then. That makes a whole lot better sense than putting both a 2008 and a 2009 out in the year 2007! Imagine a 2008 in July/August and an '09 in November, that's just weird! There's going to be some '08s on sale for cheap, then..They'll probably call the new one 2008.5!

irismg

This makes better sense as well. My '98 Corolla was built in November of '97, which will make it ten years old soon. It's the '08s which should be built in November of '07, not '09s.

elemoncelli

That would be nice. My birthday is in Feburary, maybe I'll buy myself a new car as a present. my 2002 Camry is worth about 10-12k at trade in according to Edmunds (I just hit 42,000 miles yesterday). Gives me a couple of months to save up too

ever12

Anyone know anything about the bodystyle of the car? Will we get the 3 door Auris?

mackabee

No. It would compete directly with the 3 door Yaris.
Mack

kdhspyder

No, there will be a 4 dr Corolla sedan and a 5 door Matrix.

cubssoxs

http://pretty-motorshow.blogspot.com/2007/08/new-2009-toyota-corolla.html
Ok this is a weird website that i just found on google. They say that 2009 corolla will not hit showrooms till June 2008. Can anyone confirm or deny this article.