2009 Toyota Corolla

nocturnaldracu

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The front shouldier of the Matrix looks very similar to the newly released Mark X Zio in Japan. I think it will be the similar in design, with a sharper front light and a short wheelbase version.

nocturnaldracu

I think the matrix will be of similar design to this, especially the front shouldier.. except that the matrix will have a little sharper light and a shotrt wheelbase.

hs87

Dimensionally, though, this seems more in line with the Camry wagon that you guys were talking about. However, the FSC isn't supposed to be a wagon, but a cross between a sedan and a minivan, apparently.

drfill

Hey! That's pretty slick! But the FSc is too big to be a Matrix. The FSC was designed to have 3 rows of seats, and carry the 3.5 V6.:shades:

Toyota is rumored to be entering the Chrysler Pacifica class with a vehicle next year, code named ACE.

I'd like a F3R concept, while there at it, for Scion.

DrFill

kdhspyder

We'll know apparently next week. This new vehicle is being shown to the dealer/principals this weekend at the dealers meeting in Hawaii.

drfill

You got a person on the inside? Yourself? :surprise:

DrFill

mackabee

This is the Mark X ZIO wagon I posted a link to and has nothing to do with the Matrix.
Mackabee
:shades:

kdhspyder

A person on the inside but no not me ... unfortunately

nocturnaldracu

Its just my thought. Based on what I observed in the covered matrix.. nothing substantial.
the front shouldier is almost identical to the FSC
The side line on the door is also similar..
So I m guessing there will be some design elemnts similar to the FSC... but it cannot be the FSC since
Some blog are saying that FSC will be coming to USA as a solara replacemennt.

mackabee

Jeeez dude, have you been paying any attention to my last few posts? or do just like to see what your posts look like? Here's the link AGAIN, to the MARK X ZIO or X Seater which will replace the Solara and be another Camry wagon. Oh, if you don't know how to read japanese, put your windows language cd rom in your computer and downloaded. Might as well download spanish while you're at it since in another 20 years 65% of the population will speak it.
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windjammer

Lighten up dude. Sounds like somebody put starch in your shorts or something. Jeeez where is it written we have to pay attention to your post anyway.

mackabee

Who's talking to you? It's obvious the Mark X ZiO is NOT the new Matrix yet this guy keeps saying it is. :P Since it seems like you guys don't or won't link to the page I gave you here's some actual photos: Watch them if you like and if you don't I don't care.
:shades:
P.s yes I do starch my shorts.

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mackabee

Now for the TRD version. :shades:





enjoy!

drfill

Won't be called Camry Wagon, if it makes it here.

Would take Sienna sales.

DrFill

jaxs1

It is a Chrysler Pacifica-type crossover and seems to be the answer to a question that wasn't asked.
Between the RAV4 and Highlander, I don't know why this would be needed in the US.
It will be surprising if a vehicle looking like this makes it to the US.

kenym

Ist photo is very similar to the current Lexus RX350 :shades:

mackabee

You're correct. The C pillar is very familiar. Wait until you see the inside of this puppy.

Mackabee

kenym

Will it be available in the States? :confuse: If so when can I get one? :shades:

mackabee

Soon! Stay tuned.
:shades:
Mackabee

cubssoxs

so is this new crossover going to come out around the same time the all new matrix and corolla come out? Also when will they reveal this new crossover?

drfill

You'll see it January in Detroit.

I question it's usefulness to this market. But Toyota has spoken of expanding their niche vehicle market.

Is the Pacifica a major force worth fighting? :confuse:

DrFill

kdhspyder

I believe that Toyota like the others sees the imminent demise of the BOF SUV. With the cost of fuel likely to be a HUGE factor in the not so distant future all the vehicle makers are in the process of repositioning themselves.

Explorer is moving to a Crossover structure with the size to be determined. The Expedition remains - for now.
GM has already positioned the replacements for the TrailBlazer and Envoy. They've gone bigger. The Tahoe and Yukon remain - hybrids just added
Nissan has announced that the next Pathfinder will also be a Crossover. Armada?
Toyota has said nothing about the venerable 4runner but IMO it might go back to being the niche vehicle for going deep offroad instead of a semi-luxo commuter vehicle. The Sequoia is new this December but how committed they are to it remails to be seen.

Thus if people start dumping their 4Runners and Sequoia's as fuel prices escalate where do these shoppers go? Well..
..there is a new RAV plant being built in Ontario to increase volume;
..there is a new Highlander plant being built in Tupelo to increase volume;
..a wagon type vehicle at say Georgetown would round out that segment

An XLE-type wagon of this suze and amenities would be the next step up for Matrix owners who want somehting nicer with more room, power and ride.

mackabee

Who's to say this may not come out as a Scion? Hmmm. They are talking about a small truck like vehicle, a small convertible roadster, so who knows? There are also rumors and some pics running around which I did not think much of considering the source, a smaller convertible to replace Solara and a four door "coupe" a la RX8. I tend to believe the Japanese more than our local rags. I say this wagon makes it over here as a....... Scion!??!!! :shades:

jaxs1

No. Scions are lower priced vehicles designed to attract young buyers getting their first new cars. That vehicle looks like something that would sell around $30K+ loaded with options.
Toyota wants the young Scion owners who outgrow Scions to move into Toyota and Lexus vehicles.

nippononly

is about as ugly-o as it gets. GAWD, Toyota styling has hit the skids since the 90s. Thumbs down. :-(

Not to mention Toyota is trying to find 26 different ways to build vans that aren't vans, all shaped like bars of soap that have sat in the water too long, yet it can't find time to build one decent sporty model or some great new cars (note I said cars, not vans trucks or soap-mobiles)?

Hey BTW, is this still the future Corolla thread or is it morphing into something else, perhaps something less desirable?

drfill

I'm against it, unless it is too replace the HL in the future, which I don't see.

DrFill

mackabee

Ok Einstein. Tell me something I don't know. You think a tC is really a 17k vehicle? or an xB 16k? or an xA 15K? This wagon would come in nicely equipped at 20k and we would sell each and every one we could get our hands on. I'm already seeing it in the Scion brand. These young buyers are not all young. To wit. I delivered a Scion tC with just about every available option to a 65 year old man. Last week an xB to a young pre-school teacher, 27. Before that an xB to a 59 year old man. No one is going to tell someone they can't buy a vehicle because it's "designed to attract young buyers". Looking at the quality of the inside materials on this wagon is not something Toyota would put on a 30k vehicle. We'll see.

Mackabee

mackabee

Yes it's still the future Corolla thread. It doesn't hurt to throw something new while we wait for the new and improved already out in other countries Corolla
Mackabee

mackabee

I'm against it, unless it is too replace the HL in the future, which I don't see.

I'm sure they'll take into account what you tell them Doc!

drfill

The Matrix wasn't exactly lightning in a bottle. Neither has the Pacifica.

Toyota knows what they're doing. I wouldn't go down this road, at least not right now. It doesn't fit in.

Toyota needs a Supra more than this.

DrFill

elemoncelli

Maybe they're starting to branch into the "Premium small car market" which is for people who want a small fuel efficient car, that isn't made of plastic but has some nice livable qualities. I'm not saying Toyota's are cheap, but most small cars are built with inferior materials compared to their larger more profitable brothers within any car line.

dudleyr

I am a huge wagon fan, but would not consider a zio. The 3.5 l V-6 puts it in the Sienna league for gas mileage, so what is the point as the Sienna offers more room.

A corolla wagon would get my attention though, or a 4-cyl Camry wagon. Still don't get all the emphasis on power - does anybody look at the price of gas?

jaxs1

Audi A3, Mini and IS250 are small cars with nice interiors.
A VW Jetta or GTI hatchback can be had with nice interiors also.
Maybe the new Volvo C30 will be OK and then new BMW 1-series might be nice for a small car.

nippononly

I'm with you - what happened to 4-cylinder wagons? I would LOVE it if the next Corolla included a wagon version. They could also pique my interest with a 4-cylinder Camry wagon, but I won't hold my breath!

If Toyota cancels the Sienna to produce the Pacifica, oops Zio, instead, it will be a huge mistake on their part.

Mainly I would like to see four or five trims of the next Corolla - a 2-door would be nice too, as long as they could get the proportions right.

kdhspyder

Between the Matrix and the Sienna there is no 'wagon' or MPV. There's a hole there. That's why I'd expect an entrant based on the Camry with 'CE, LE, XLE' trims driven by a 2.4L or a 3.5L and possibly a hybrid too.

mackabee

What would you call the RAV4?
mACK

mackabee

There are people who still want a wagon but don't want a mini-van. Specially younger people with young families and tight budgets. Who cares about the price of gas, people are still going to drive when it hits 5 bucks a gallon. ($)


Mackabee

Just to stay on topic here's another teaser:

kdhspyder

Utility Vehicle...

The Matrix is a wagon and the Sienna is like a large wagon but there is nothing in between...til next year. I'm certain that you can get the information, Mack

drfill

Has enough integrity in the lines to not look..... fey.

DrFill

jaxs1

Way too much overlap with the RAV4. It is model clutter.

mackabee

Sure there is! We have the Highlander wagon!
Mackabee

mackabee

Toyota is trying to be everything to everybody. Sort of a Japanese....gasp! GM~OMG!

:shades:
Mackabee

Just to stay on topic:

drfill

You see my point. Don't need a Pacifica.

Could use a Supra, doh.

DrFill

kdhspyder

Ask around your store and you'll find what you seek. Remember this subsegment to the Corolla thread in 8 or 10 months.

mackabee

Heck, besides me and the parts manager we are the most informed on what's coming with Toyota.
Mackabee

I did see a connection so to speak to the Pacifica with the concept FTSX or whatever the X-seater concept was called. I don't think Chrysler did too bad with the Pac did they?

Just to stay on topic....

kdhspyder

Yes to stay on topic and not clutter this Corolla thread with other new vehicles I started this ( FTSX discussion ) for discussion of the new vehicle soon to be announced.

mackabee

Doc, I'm just curious. Are saying doh like the Simpson's
or do you mean though just don't know the spelling?

mackabee

Wrong Simpson's my bad.

elemoncelli

I've drive most of those, except the newest ones. The Audi was almost too fast, :surprise: the IS250 was too expensive (teachers salary) The Jetta has potential (especially with a diesel engine) but I worry about it being a VW and having quality issues. :lemon: I havent seen the C30 and the 1 series I've been drooling over. It's ashame it wont come with a turbo 4, but most likely those are going to be too expensive.

I guess a small quality car that is nicely appointed and gets 40mpg is too much to ask of the most advanced society in history. Maybe theres hope further in the future. :sick:

I probably over used the smilies but I almost never use them so I felt like making up. I was gonna use the =P car here, but a box popped up and said "Ease up on the emoticons, huh?"

ROFL

jaxs1

You could probably get close to 40MPG in a Mini Cooper with the base engine and you can get the interior really looking plush with the lounge leather and real wood trim.
The Mini will likely have more problems than even a VW though.
You can probably get a great deal on a used Jaguar X-Type, but it won't save any gas vs some much larger cars. An Avalon probably gets the same or better MPG.