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Driver-4 stars for Tundra, 3 stars for Silverado
Passenger-3 stars for Tundra, 4 stars silverado
So Your safer driving the Tundra and safer riding in the front passenger seat of the silverado. Also chevy has no plans to allow testing of side impact or rear seats (I don't know why). The Tundra will be tested in Feb. The dakota extended cab rear seats were deemed to small to test. Thanks for the link cskala.
my tundra has 2500miles on it now (and i have had some really good luck on that one now)- and no i aint a yankee, just a southener who meets rednecks like you everyday and know how little to value their opinion when it comes to anything else but wheather and hunting spots.
Its feed time - get off the net and go feed the cows. (get in that John Deere for some of the vibration that you like so much). Good luck on that one now!
has anyone got any exprerience on K & N filters?
What about the Bosch Platinum +4 plugs.
Has anyone found that these increase horsepower/fuel economy?
I will take your word for the ratings -
Anyone have any idea what the difference is between 3 or 4 stars? Broken leg VS broken neck? Walk way VS put in a box?
I take offense to your posts that slam the Silverado too. I don't think you have any clue about the Silverado and just use some of the reported problems on this site to use as ammunition. We can all use the same type of ammo here from the enumerous Tundra problems posted here as well, but that would not be very respectful to the owners of Tundra's.
Why must you slam others' choices just for retaliation of a known problem on this site? Ignore him and he will leave. Your posts just feed the fire and cause more disruption.
Give the Silverado slams a rest, please. Not everyone is disrespectful of your choice of truck.
Please remember that.
tundra: Driver 795 Passenger: 821
silverado: Driver: 825 Passenger: 704
both look pretty darn good to me...
Anyone with contacts at the plant? Any change over schedules released to the line workers yet?
Thanks and hope RUBLU2 just finds a new hobby.
adjustment on the door latch. I appreciate the input and am glad that we have this forum to discuss these minor problems.
Thanks
Please keep this topic informed. This one can't be good. Are you going to take it to the dealer for a check?
Mental experiment: Have the Tundra broadside/T-Bone the Silverado at 65 mph. Now reverse the vehicles. What you should end up with in BOTH situations is the car broadsided has taken the brunt of the crash. Crumple zones play the largest role in reducing localized damage.
Your logic seems to be:weigh more, better protected. (true)Full size:even better crash advantage.
Please take these FACTS:
Ford Sportrac 4wdr-4332 lbs.*
Chevy Silverado 2wdr Reg cab-4248 lbs*
*figures taken from Edmunds web side
Now, you have a fullsize truck crashing with a compact truck that weighs more. Is it the one that weighs more? Or the full size. You know it is a full size. But weighs less, than the compact?? What is going on??? Who wins????
I know, do you?
65 mph is very fast.
I still know that A collision between a Silverado and Tundra at 65 mph does not yield a winner beacuse of the extra weight.
Equation- F=ma^2;
F=is the Force in Newtons
m=mass
a=is acceleration.
As you can see as speed gets by every 1, m (mass) contribution gets reduced by a Factor of 2!
You will find the equation for kinetic energy transfer to be derived from this (above) equation.
Armed with the facts, you will see the truth.
Trust me. It works.
F= ma, Newtons 2nd law
K= 1/2mv^2
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I know you mean well, but when you need particle dynamics, come to Quadrunner!
Thanks Quadrunner500 for pointing it out. I was thinking of something else.
Quad, when I need particle dynamics, I will go to you.
The Acceleration (a) constant has the parabolic curve I meant.
I happily stand corrected.
But I still stand confident with what I have been posting.
Bluebeast-I don't mean to upset you by my postings. I never stated pro/anti Tundra/Silverado in any posting (the Wiz of OZ is a Great movie). That was to avoid (hopefully) avoid a brand war.
The extra 2 inches the Silverado has, gives you a livesaving advantage at those speeds. Don't you understand that in a T-bone, the truck would be instantly moving at 40 mgh quickly cover the 2 inches distance. You can calculate how much time it would take to cover 2 inches traveling at 40mpg.
So, is the (heavier) compact truck better then your full size in a collision? I would like to know your thoughts.
where did you get this complete trash:
"Equation- F=ma^2;
F=is the Force in Newtons
m=mass
a=is acceleration.
As you can see as speed gets by every 1, m (mass)
contribution gets reduced by a Factor of 2!"
1. quad's right with newton's 2nd law of F=ma...NOT ma^2
2. "speed" as you say, does not play into force at all. speed is velocity or distance over time. acceleration - which IS part of newton's 2nd is the rate of change of velocity.
3. IF the formula was f=ma^2 (WHICH IT's NOT) mass would not "get reduced by a factor of 2", you moron, and no...acceleration would not be considered "twice as much" either...squaring the number creates an "exponential curve" when you graph it - hence it will increase or decrease in value more rapidly. multiplying a number by any factor changes the slope of the "line" when you graph it - hence it still changes constantly or linearly.
tell you what...go back and brush up on something more basic - like arithmatic - before trying to confuse people trying to get REAL knowledge about what kind of truck to buy. perhaps that's why your so-called "logic" does not pan out. i will NOT trust you...because it does NOT work.
anyway:
in a crash i would rather be in the drivers seat of the tundra than in the silverado, and on the passenger seat of the silverado rather than the tundra. i own a tundra that i drive mostly by myself (from the drivers seat) and i feel pretty darn good about it. Both are very safe vehicles and if i was paranoid about safety i would drive a minivan - im not that paranoid,sorry.
from the drivers seat, i will keep the tundra thanks.
info is from the edmunds link to highway safety tests.
-maybe if i could drive from the passenger seat i could concentrate on trying to feel any vibration that i cant feelfor the life of me, anywhere - ever.
I have two kids (3yr & 1yr). I have two full sized car seats in the back. The boys love it back there. They can see out the window, which they can't in our Camry. We don't need to move the seats forward to accomodate them.
werking:yes I should have brushed up.
werking:yes I should have brushed up.
I regret my hubris didn't let me double check what I wrote. I petty sure it won't happen again.
But I know I am not wrong about the crash.
You mentioned that you don't need to move the drivers seat forward to accomodate the kid's car seats in the back, how tall are you. I'm am 6'4" and wondering if I will have the same luck.
thanks
How tall are you? I am 6'4" and wondering if I will be able to have car seats behind me without moving the front seat forward.
1. No keyless entry (no big deal)
2. Premium fuel for V/8.. Given current fuel prices and no relief in sight, could be a significant cost over time. Lower fuel prices in the future(not likely) More efficient engines while still providing performance, maybe ! Or perhaps you just can't have it both ways.
Dealer says if you want book performance with the V/8 should use premium.
Anybody know about this stuff !
It's quieter than my '96 Impala SS, which I'm selling. The engine seems very powerful, though I haven't really wanted to floor it yet, Sounds great too - throaty. The ride is smooth, if a little bumpy over potholes, but it is a truck. A bit disappointed with the skinny armrests, but I can live with them. Overall I'm very happy with it.
geezer 3 - my dealer says they can do a keyless entry very easily. I'm going to do it. The manual says 87 octane is fine, don't know why they're telling you it needs premium.
rublu - you have no idea what you're talking about. This is the best truck I've ever driven or ridden in.
Anyone considering buying a Tundra - go for it!
Good luck with the truck. I think you will love it. I love mine. Best truck I have ever owned.
Good luck with the truck. I think you will love it. I love mine. Best truck I have ever owned.
The latest edition of Trailer Life Magazine has the Tundra has it's feature tow vehicle for the month. The tow trailer weighed over 6,300 pounds with full holding tanks and fuel, but not including gear. They ran the combo from sea level up to 9,000 feet during the test. They were impressed with the power of the engine and the handling. They mentioned that it was the best handling truck they had driven in a long time. They said the truck is clearly a strong competitor for the Big 3 in the 1/2 ton market.
There were two negative issues, one that I do not find significant. They mentioned the small rear seat and doors in the access cab. However, they did say that the front seat offered plenty of room for driver's and passengers well in excess of 6'.
The second negative issue could be significant if you tow. As I mentioned, performance was not a question mark for the testers. They were very pleased with the power and the handling of the Tundra, whether running empty or under tow. The negative was the towing mpg. The truck got 19 hwy and 15 city running empty during their test, which are good figures. However, it dropped all the way down to 6.9 with the trailer. With a 25 gallon tank, you're looking for a gas station every couple hours.
The test vehicle had a 3.9 axle ratio. Does it come with a 4.10? Although the 4.10 would negatively impact your empty mpg, it might improve the towing mpg. On the other hand, if you only tow occasionally like most 1/2 ton owners do (whether they own Ford, Chevy or Dodge), the towing mpg is probably only a minor inconvenience at worse. If you do tow alot, though, it could be an issue. My 7,000+ pound 1 ton 4x4 dually V-10 with the 4.30 axle ratio beats the Tundra towing that size load.
Summary of the article:
- Definitely a very competitive 1/2 ton
- Impressive power & handling, whether running empty or towing a load that is pushing the rating
- Good mpg running empty
- Small rear seat
- Poor mpg towing
TNX
Besides when you tell the dealer you just came from the Chevy dealership up the road he might be willing to work with you a bit more.
Don't mean to preach, I am the guy that helps all his friends and family get their cars and to me the most important thing isn't the price tag or who makes it but is it the right vehicle for you. You gotta live with it for at least 3 to 5 years and you don't wanna have any regrets. Besides ragging other peoples vehicles out on test drives is so much fun.
Wanna see a classic face? Go test drive a sports car, Mustang, Corvette, Firebird whatever, and make sure the salesman comes with you. While sitting at a stop look around and nonchalantly ask..."You don't see any cops do you?????" Talk about looks of fear. Then just for good measure light em up a little bit.
What exactly do you use your truck for. I mean that is a monster. You thinking about towing Manhattan Island to the Great Lakes or something. You must be real popular with your friends come moving day.
I've got around 27,000 miles on the truck, with over 10,000 of that with the camper in the bed. I live in Alaska, so I camp alot. The main topic area I post is the Superduty topic on the last page of this pickup conference.
FYI: 99 F-350 Superduty Supercab Lariat (including leather, trip computer, etc) 4x4 V-10 dually auto trans. 4.30 axle ratio.
For the record, needless to say, I can't touch your Toyota mpg, except towing. Although the Ford V-10s with the 3.73 axle ratio are getting around 11 city and 14 hwy, with the duallys and 4.30, I get 9.5ish in a mix of city/hwy and 11.5-12 hwy running empty. With the camper on, I get 8.5-9, although I can get 10 if I'm on flat hwy and keep it around 55mph.
Because I wasn't hot for the styling, I almost didn't even consider a Tundra. I'm glad I finally, as a lark, test drove one. My wife HATED them until she drove one. We bought the next week.
I expect most of these to improve after the first oil change which will be this week.