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So what you're saying is that a 'full sized' truck isn't a 'full sized' truck if it doesn't have a long bed? or if you can't find it on a farm?
Frankly, I don't live on a farm. My inlaws have 80 acres in WA with over 30 head of cattle on it. BTW, he drives a Chevy short bed.
Thanks for the reply.
occasions now, there has been/is actually
something worth reading here about the Tundra.
Now, a few people have chosen to degrade the
conversation to the point of disgust. You have
won, you have ruined this for the rest of us who
actually did enjoy competent conversation about
Tundra....even if it wasn't from experts, just
fellow Tundra drivers. How to hell did we stoop so low as to be talking about tractors and butter
beans here. Please take the flames somewhere
else...like to the Dodge Ram board....please let
this board alone, Please? Thanks
All I hear from other Tundra owners is the same crap about a perceived reliability advantage. Gee, glad to be enlightened here about how stupid I have been to have purchased so many trouble free GM vehicles when I could have bought a Toyota! I am glad all the owners that have read "consumer reports" have been able to make me see the error of my ways.
I have heard that you can now do exactly what you said. The parts department can order you a hitch. They are not supposed to do this if you own a Limited but just don't bring it up and install it yourself.
There is such confusion on this issue that it would not surprise me to find some dealers installing them as well. Our store is not doing it on advise of our lawyers.
Can I have some cheeeeeeeeese????
My information is that Toyota is still working with the EPA on this issue but we may not see it resolved until the 2001 model year.
Incidentally, there is no difference between a "factory" hitch and a dealer added one as long as genuine Toyota parts are used. The term factory is a misnomer anyway. Even though it appears on the window sticker, it is added at a port or distribution facility after the truck is built.
And another thing my inbred friend, I have a hitch on my Limited and it does haul. In fact, it hauls much better than my '98 Chevy 1500 did when I drove one as a demo. I am towing the same boat (3300 pounds) and the Tundra does it much quieter with better acceleration (I had the 5.7) and braking and similar stability. Good luck with this one.
I always check out trucks for a while before buying so coming here will give me real life input. I would take that over a magazine report any day.
You are correct, I am sure we would get along much better outside this board. I have very close friends who own Toyota's. I respect their decision to buy one for their preference as they do me for mine. We don't get into the brand wars and crap. That is for the high school kids.
They also don't try and feed me a bunch of crap about how their trucks are of better quality. They have had as many or more problems with Toyota's as I have with my GM trucks as even I had with my Toyota trucks. The quality advantage is just not apparent now like it was 10 years ago.
We like just like all trucks, no matter what it's name tag is. We buy what we like....period.
If you are ready to just talk trucks without predjudice of other truck makes and can discuss trucks without stating all others to be inferior, I will calm my secondaries too.
Tell you what, I'll buy a new boat that weights 4000 fully rigged and let you know how it works out. Again, I know that doesn't come close to the full capacity but anything larger and I wont be able to fish out of it.
You can say anything you want about quality and back seat room but a real serious drive will quickly demonstrate why the Tundra is a serious contender. There is no comparison in ride comfort, noise, handling and ergonomics. Besides that, in my experience in seeing several hundred trade-ins over the past 6 years, Toyota has a much better chance of not having the problems of a domestic.
I bought my Tundra because I wanted a truck that I could take hunting, get off road on occasion, get through snow and tow my boat. I wanted something classy and comfortable and I don't want any problems. Even if I didn't sell them, I would have picked the Tundra if I bothered to take a 45 minute test drive.
the most important question - why are you here? people want to listen to you about as much as they want to ever meet you - they dont! answer this - did someone run over your cousin/girlfriend in a toyota? why all the remarks? good luck with your wife now!
I agree that the Tundra is smooth and quiet, but that doesn't equate to more quality to me. These trucks are becoming more and more "quiet" due to more use of car parts over truck parts. I don't like my independent front suspension on my Silverado that is only there for a "cushier" ride and such. The IFS is much less durable and less efficient offroad than it's solid axle predecessors.
You aren't telling "me" anything about the Tundra. I keep up with mechanics and designs pretty well. The Tundra has no advantages over my Silverado. I don't even consider the new supposed high tech ohc 32 valve motors advantageous to my Silverado's deep skirt 6 bolt main "PROVEN" pushrod powerplant. You can keep it. Like I said, be a great truck for my wife to drive as she likes all the things you consider higher quality, like the car like ride and quiet engine. I just don't put any credit in it's work worthiness for what I would use one for. To me, all they did was stretch the lexus suv into a truck, which is rediculous. I think the cadillac and Mercury suv's are just as worthless for what an suv is actually used for.
No, I don't have any use for the Tundra and I HAVE tested them out. I would like to hear owners' comments down the road and exactly what kind of real use the Tundra was used for before I take a plunge at one. The big three are proven, even the new model Silverado's. The technology used is technology proven to be durable for my use. The Tundra is not.
I see you sell the Tundra. That is probably why you tout such good things about the Tundra and know very little about them on a below surface level. When I go to buy a truck, I buy more from the service shop than I do the sales floor. Most of the sales people of any make vehicle came to sell cars from unemployment or the Jones Store. Very few know anything about mechanics or powerplant designs, tests over time, etc. However they are always pushing their vehicle to be the "proven" best because of this so-called fact or the other. Pop one question about it's mechanical design or the advantages of a certain function of the vehicle and they politely excuse themselves for a "quick moment", only to go back to the service dept. or the "guy who really knows" the answer.
Unlike the importbashers that keep slamming the Tundra's size as it's biggest focus, I base my preference more on the whole package....size, engine design, transmission and transfer case (taken from the compact Tacoma truck!), wheel base, suspension, frame, etc.
For my money, I got much more truck than I would have gotten with the Tundra and in 3-5 years when most of the Tundra owners have traded off their leased Tundra for another one, I would like to hear from the owners that still have theirs. I want to compare the repair tickets and problems reported and under what type of work diress that Tundra was actually placed under. Like all my GM trucks, I really work my trucks, and I have NEVER been left stranded by any of them. I have had two Tacoma's and BOTH have left me walking on commuter trips to work!
I think I'll hold on to my inferior, less quality Silverado, thank you very much!
future notices will be posted in the TUNDRA topics
of Edmund's Town Hall.
I have averaged between 18 to 19.5. The lower fuel economy is associated with the crazy oxygenated fuel we get for the winter.
Mine is a manual.
The V6 is also offered in the V6 with 2 or 4 wheel drive. I have seen two people to have these on edumunds. I cannot remember who these people are, offhand. TP4UNC may know this information. Rwebellam2 may know too.
Just let me know if you want need other info.
I have 13,000 on mine now.
# 1232 Tahoe Lemon >>>
#2153 Grand Cherokee Class Action >>>....
Also, In 20 years of buying vehicles, I never met anyone who ( if price no object) would take any domestic SUV over a Toyota Landcruiser..NO ONE.
By the way, who would use a screen name of
" Bud Lite Dude" I am sure a graduate of Yale!!
war. Any time you want to go "face to face", say
the word.
That is....if your mommy will let you come out and "play".
Now just wondering if framehog has seen anything more on the new model improvements, such as the back seat? That's my only real gripe about the Tundra at this time. Do either of you (or others) have suggestions on the bench vs. the bucket front seats? That's the last major decision for the unit that I am undecided. Rest is taking shape.
Thanks, and good luck down the road.
The Edmond's forum, which used to be a good way to get input on other vehicles, has turned into a trash bin for people just trying to stir the pot and tick people off. Poking fun in a non-malicious manner is great, but this has turned into 'Road Rage' at it's worst lately.
Everybody stand back, take a deep breath and calm down.
I would also like to ever so slightly raise the nose of the truck up to give it a slightly more squared off look. I think the standard shocks and weight of the V8 tend to give it a slight rake. I don't dislike this rake, I just was wondering if it could be squared off if I wanted to without too much trouble or expense.
Thanks For any input.
other guys have said the TRD package which has the Bilstein's rides a bit stiffer on the highway. The TRD has some other bits so don't know if the stiffness is all from the shock. I wouldn't change now, but when I think I've gotten some value out of the originals I plan to replace with the Bilsteins. Will probably add the sway-bar at the same time so I'll really get a change in ride/handling.
ferris 47 I have 4WD with the TRD package, and it handles and corners very nicely. It is a bit stiff over bumps, but overall is very comfortable. As far as looks go, I really like my Tundra - only have about 700 miles so far - but I have to say I've seen other trucks that are more "stylish." Some less stylish as well. A matter of personal taste.
In everything I have read from you you have never given a substantive reason not to buy a Tundra except for the back seat. How are you using a half ton truck that the Tundra can't handle it? Be careful how you answer because I don't want anything about 3/4 ton Chevys or talk of diesel engines or "my pappy had one that never broke". 1/2 ton to 1/2 ton, where is the Tundra lacking except for back seat room.
I've given plenty of reasons why I think the Tundra is better and all I see is negative arguments. Give me a proactive argument . And if you dare attempt to lump me in with other salesmen again, you will betray yourself as the true jacka** that I think you are.
Is it going to be the Hi Lux or something new for the U.S. market (e.g., suicide doors instead of forward opening rear doors)?
Thanks for any info.
Where did you get your information that Toyota pays their factory workers in Indiana only 2/3 of what a UAW worker gets? I would like to see that data first hand. I have a real hard time believing your claims. The non-union chemical plant where I work pays its hourly workers the same rate as the union sites. The additional benefit is that they don't have to pay union dues. So guess what, they have more money to take home. If the Indiana Toyota plant is non-union, I seriously doubt that their workers aren't being paid close to union rates, otherwise the union would be in there in a heartbeat.
And in keeping to the topic of this board, my Limited 4WD Tundra with TRD and (almost every other option) has 2100 miles on it and runs great. Driving home in it after a hard day at work is a great way to decompress.
Oh, and ruballo, before you ask, no, it did not come from the factory with a trailer hitch. However, the dealer was more than happy to install a Class IV hitch on it at dealer cost.