You're the only one that I have seen with a V6 on these postings. About running the V6, do you fell much loss on the power with the extra weight (over the Tacoma)? How's the fuel economy? And is yours a manual or auto? And have you heard if Toyota will put the v6 on the access cab?
In the beginning of this forum, and on rare occasions now, there has been/is actually something worth reading here about the Tundra. Now, a few people have chosen to degrade the conversation to the point of disgust. You have won, you have ruined this for the rest of us who actually did enjoy competent conversation about Tundra....even if it wasn't from experts, just fellow Tundra drivers. How to hell did we stoop so low as to be talking about tractors and butter beans here. Please take the flames somewhere else...like to the Dodge Ram board....please let this board alone, Please? Thanks
Good luck getting any of the Toyota crowd to be "civil" and say "anything" competent. I have only conversed with one Tundra owner that seemed to know the ins and outs of his truck and why he preferred it over the others. Never has "Reliability" or "Quality" "Excuses" come out of his mouth. He knows the design of his truck very well and made a sound decision based on actual mechanical knowledge of the truck. For that I respect.
All I hear from other Tundra owners is the same crap about a perceived reliability advantage. Gee, glad to be enlightened here about how stupid I have been to have purchased so many trouble free GM vehicles when I could have bought a Toyota! I am glad all the owners that have read "consumer reports" have been able to make me see the error of my ways.
Hey RU, the proof is bolted to the frame of my Tundra. And anybody can walk into the Toyota parts dept. and buy the Class IV hitch. By the way, what happened to the rest of my questions? Are you intelligent enough to explain the "doo-dad" that keeps the Chevys from overheating? By the way, why are you on a Tundra board anyway? Can't read or spell the difference between TUNDRA and CHEVROLET?
Glad to hear about your hitch. There have been considerable difficulties with the Federal government over this issue and it has to do with the weight of the Limited versus the SR5. There is a 40 pound difference and that kicks the Limited into another bracket somehow. When a hitch is added, it exceeds some bizarre regulation for overall model line weight. I don't quite understand it.
I have heard that you can now do exactly what you said. The parts department can order you a hitch. They are not supposed to do this if you own a Limited but just don't bring it up and install it yourself.
There is such confusion on this issue that it would not surprise me to find some dealers installing them as well. Our store is not doing it on advise of our lawyers.
I think those non-civil Tundra owners are egged on by 'non-Tundra' owners. They come to a Tundra topic and start blasting their trucks. What do expect them to do, it's human nature to defend yourself, including large purchases you make. Maybe the people that need to be civil are the 'non-Tundra' owners themselves. BLD just has the luck with him on his string of good luck with his GM products, as for me I must have had bad luck with me, thats why no GM for me ever again.
I'm sure you're not a bad dude. I bet if we ran into each other we could flip each other [non-permissible content removed] about ours trucks, tell a few lies, and laugh over a beer about it. you're happy with your truck I'm happy with mine. let's just leave it at that
The fact that you are thanking me for anything really disturbs me. The gentleman who said he got a factory installed hitch on a Limited may have. When the Tundra first came out, I believe there were a small number that had hitches before our glorious federal government decided to make a ridiculous ruling on them.
My information is that Toyota is still working with the EPA on this issue but we may not see it resolved until the 2001 model year.
Incidentally, there is no difference between a "factory" hitch and a dealer added one as long as genuine Toyota parts are used. The term factory is a misnomer anyway. Even though it appears on the window sticker, it is added at a port or distribution facility after the truck is built.
And another thing my inbred friend, I have a hitch on my Limited and it does haul. In fact, it hauls much better than my '98 Chevy 1500 did when I drove one as a demo. I am towing the same boat (3300 pounds) and the Tundra does it much quieter with better acceleration (I had the 5.7) and braking and similar stability. Good luck with this one.
I am game for that, but am I still going to hear a bunch of bashing of other truck makes going on in retaliation of those like Rube? Not all domestic truck owners are anti import, trash talkin Toyota haters. I would really like to get more experiences of the Tundra and keep up with how you all like them over time. Like I said before, if Toyota implemements the changes I would like to see in the later models, I may buy one for my wife. She really liked my Tacoma's and wants one for herself, but I told her I would consider a Tundra if she is set on a Toyota truck. She likes the Toyota's out of preference, not because she thinks the others are less quality or inferior in any way.
I always check out trucks for a while before buying so coming here will give me real life input. I would take that over a magazine report any day.
You are correct, I am sure we would get along much better outside this board. I have very close friends who own Toyota's. I respect their decision to buy one for their preference as they do me for mine. We don't get into the brand wars and crap. That is for the high school kids. They also don't try and feed me a bunch of crap about how their trucks are of better quality. They have had as many or more problems with Toyota's as I have with my GM trucks as even I had with my Toyota trucks. The quality advantage is just not apparent now like it was 10 years ago. We like just like all trucks, no matter what it's name tag is. We buy what we like....period.
If you are ready to just talk trucks without predjudice of other truck makes and can discuss trucks without stating all others to be inferior, I will calm my secondaries too.
I realize that 3300 doesn't begin to test the limits of a full size truck but that is all I have to judge it on. I stand by my statement the the Tundra did better than the '98 Chevy that I used for 3 months towing the same boat. It is quicker, quieter, brakes better and is every bit as stable. What more do I need?
Tell you what, I'll buy a new boat that weights 4000 fully rigged and let you know how it works out. Again, I know that doesn't come close to the full capacity but anything larger and I wont be able to fish out of it.
Have you every taken a Tundra on an extended test drive? This is a serious question because I have'nt bothered to read all your posts. My hunch is that you haven't.
You can say anything you want about quality and back seat room but a real serious drive will quickly demonstrate why the Tundra is a serious contender. There is no comparison in ride comfort, noise, handling and ergonomics. Besides that, in my experience in seeing several hundred trade-ins over the past 6 years, Toyota has a much better chance of not having the problems of a domestic.
I bought my Tundra because I wanted a truck that I could take hunting, get off road on occasion, get through snow and tow my boat. I wanted something classy and comfortable and I don't want any problems. Even if I didn't sell them, I would have picked the Tundra if I bothered to take a 45 minute test drive.
I'm not a brand loyalist I could care less if the next vehicle I drive is a GM or Ford product. I just buy what works for me. The Tundra is the perfect truck for me. I respect your decision to buy a Chevy. In fact, I came pretty close to getting a Silverado myself--that rear seat is nice. Glad I didn't though 'cause when I parked the Tundra in the garage I was surprised to find that there was only 2-3 inches to spare between the bumpers and the garage. The Chevy would look pretty silly with the garage door resting on the bumper or the bed rails. That's what happens when your garage was built in 1938.
the Houston auto show. Had a chance to look over all 3 full size trucks and the Tundra too. It had been several months since I sat in a Tundra. I did find one advantage the Tundra has over the Silverado. I could reach over from the drivers side and adjust the passenger side a/c vent. I can't even come close to doing this in the Silverado. I guess the smaller cab does have at least one advantage. I did squeeze into the back seat and it really is the main problem with the Tundra. If anyone says that the back of the Tundra is a comfortable place to sit they must be 100% brain washed by Toyota. It reminds me of parents night at my sons school. He is in 3rd grade. All of the parents come into the class room and sit in their kids chairs & desks. I will say the enclosed storage area under the back seat was nice, it would be a good place to keep junk. I did not notice this the first time I looked at the Tundra. I was hoping Toyota would have had a Sequoia on hand, but no luck.
you mention playing around the farm in your chevys, don't correct me if im wrong, did you not say that you didnt even own a truck - of any kind?!?!?!
the most important question - why are you here? people want to listen to you about as much as they want to ever meet you - they dont! answer this - did someone run over your cousin/girlfriend in a toyota? why all the remarks? good luck with your wife now!
If you HAD READ my posts, you would not have had to waste your time with your last post. I always research a truck out for at least 3 months before I purchase. Yes, I have taken more than a 1/2 dozen test drives of not only the Tundra, but others as well.
I agree that the Tundra is smooth and quiet, but that doesn't equate to more quality to me. These trucks are becoming more and more "quiet" due to more use of car parts over truck parts. I don't like my independent front suspension on my Silverado that is only there for a "cushier" ride and such. The IFS is much less durable and less efficient offroad than it's solid axle predecessors.
You aren't telling "me" anything about the Tundra. I keep up with mechanics and designs pretty well. The Tundra has no advantages over my Silverado. I don't even consider the new supposed high tech ohc 32 valve motors advantageous to my Silverado's deep skirt 6 bolt main "PROVEN" pushrod powerplant. You can keep it. Like I said, be a great truck for my wife to drive as she likes all the things you consider higher quality, like the car like ride and quiet engine. I just don't put any credit in it's work worthiness for what I would use one for. To me, all they did was stretch the lexus suv into a truck, which is rediculous. I think the cadillac and Mercury suv's are just as worthless for what an suv is actually used for.
No, I don't have any use for the Tundra and I HAVE tested them out. I would like to hear owners' comments down the road and exactly what kind of real use the Tundra was used for before I take a plunge at one. The big three are proven, even the new model Silverado's. The technology used is technology proven to be durable for my use. The Tundra is not.
I see you sell the Tundra. That is probably why you tout such good things about the Tundra and know very little about them on a below surface level. When I go to buy a truck, I buy more from the service shop than I do the sales floor. Most of the sales people of any make vehicle came to sell cars from unemployment or the Jones Store. Very few know anything about mechanics or powerplant designs, tests over time, etc. However they are always pushing their vehicle to be the "proven" best because of this so-called fact or the other. Pop one question about it's mechanical design or the advantages of a certain function of the vehicle and they politely excuse themselves for a "quick moment", only to go back to the service dept. or the "guy who really knows" the answer.
Unlike the importbashers that keep slamming the Tundra's size as it's biggest focus, I base my preference more on the whole package....size, engine design, transmission and transfer case (taken from the compact Tacoma truck!), wheel base, suspension, frame, etc.
For my money, I got much more truck than I would have gotten with the Tundra and in 3-5 years when most of the Tundra owners have traded off their leased Tundra for another one, I would like to hear from the owners that still have theirs. I want to compare the repair tickets and problems reported and under what type of work diress that Tundra was actually placed under. Like all my GM trucks, I really work my trucks, and I have NEVER been left stranded by any of them. I have had two Tacoma's and BOTH have left me walking on commuter trips to work!
I think I'll hold on to my inferior, less quality Silverado, thank you very much!
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RE. 284, and almost scary true. It amazes me still today, how GM owners always have to convert people. You never see Ford,Dodge or Toyota owners with as much passion. Rubyblu what ever, this fool is on just about every Toyota topic. Toyota, Honda even Datsun, came overhere and showed how to build quality products. American cars and trucks were of poor workmanship and quality. Only because of the imports, did the domestics start building better cars and trucks. Now that the car companys are building much better cars and trucks, you can buy from any brand and get a quality vehicle. These GM owners must have bought stock in the company, as much free advertising they hand out. PS. I don't drive an import any longer. Good luck on this here one now.
I have never driven a Tacoma with the V6, however, there is no loss of power in the my Tundra comparing it to the V6 T-100's. Actually, the truck has been more powerful than I thought it would be. It has a whole lot more power than my former T-100.
I have averaged between 18 to 19.5. The lower fuel economy is associated with the crazy oxygenated fuel we get for the winter.
Mine is a manual.
The V6 is also offered in the V6 with 2 or 4 wheel drive. I have seen two people to have these on edumunds. I cannot remember who these people are, offhand. TP4UNC may know this information. Rwebellam2 may know too.
Keep pushing Toyota !! For the others, how come you never see topics on Edmunds for Toyotas like: # 1232 Tahoe Lemon >>> #2153 Grand Cherokee Class Action >>>.... Also, In 20 years of buying vehicles, I never met anyone who ( if price no object) would take any domestic SUV over a Toyota Landcruiser..NO ONE. By the way, who would use a screen name of " Bud Lite Dude" I am sure a graduate of Yale!!
Hey farmer boy, BLD and all other debaters I'm here to learn about the Tundra, not to listen to the crap you guys spew. (Topic #1504)Tundra vs. Big 3 WAS MADE FOR THIS NONSENCE. PLEASE GO THERE.
Guy's don't let these room temperature IQ - trailer park morons get to you! Their own sense of worthlessness drives them to berate something they can't have or think threatens them. These kind of people wouldn't have the guts to say these things to your face so they hide behind their computers because it makes them feel like someone. We don't go to their sites and trash their trucks because they don't threaten us. It's obvious why they do it here. Actually, we should all be flattered that they spend so much of their time, albeit probably not worth much, paying attention to our quality truck. Let them talk, they don't have anything better to do with their time and after all, they don't know any better.
I had just put over 1500 miles on the new truck and it was time to see if the new Tundra 4x4 SR5 TRD package could separate the men from the boys. I wanted to see how much gas I burn and how much rubber I could leave on the road. I found a nice 2-lane road that started at an elevation of 1100 feet with and ending elevation of just over 8500 feet. 22 miles of winding road top to bottom with only one toy and a challenge to see what kind of truck I was going to have to drive for the next couple of years. I started the ride up the mountain and soon forgot I was in a truck. It felt like I was skiing in 3 feet of powder as I started to cut clean crisp line on the black top. The seat belt this day found a high purpose keeping man and machine connected. I completed the romp. Just burning a couple gallons of gas and leaving some black lines on the road, it going to be a good next couple of years. As I was returning to the real world after letting 245 horse run wild, I saw a sign. 4 X 4 Camp 3 miles turn left. I might as well get some mud in the wheel wells as a reminder of great day. I was soon reminded that I had bought a truck as I started up the dirt road. I made to the 4 X 4 camp and then some. I went up some hills that pushed me back into my captain's chair and down some trails that made me want to figure out how to turn off the Anti Lock Brakes. I stopped on the trail where it would take lockers to proceed through the mud. I returned to the black top with my head up. If I had lockers on my steed this day, he would be returning to the stable with a small limp.
BLD, you remind me of a visit we made last week to a private ly owned brewery. The tour guide mentioned that men will periodically come into their tavern and order a beer. The bartender will ask them what kind of beer they want since they serve over a dozen of their own special brews. The man answers, he wants a real beer, Bud Lite. The bartender laughs to himself and serves him this third rate beer. BLD, you bought your Silverado, not knowing any better,regardless of all your exhaustive claims. Enjoy it, but don't bother us with your garbage. The degree which we TUNDRA owners understand what is under the hood is irrelevant. We are happy with what we purchased and I am quite sure three years or five years from now I will be much happier with my TUNDRA than you will be with your Silverado. And as for Engineering, I spent over 30 years working on the highest engineering/technology programs the USA has ever engaged in so I know a little bit about my TUNDRA and why I bought it.
Thanks for the info, tundradude and tp4unc. Sounds like the V6 in the Tundra is not losing too much fuel economy from the Tacoma EPA ratings. The manual must be part of that magic. For the price differences it might be the best way to get into a Tundra for the short term. Stopped by the local dealer in Conroe, TX and they had 7 Tundras and all with V8s. Even had the rare color, Stellar Blue Pearl. Vehicles are finally getting available in Houston and see more on delivery trucks on highway. Maybe a bit latter this spring, dealers will have lost their zeal and be ready to deal.
Now just wondering if framehog has seen anything more on the new model improvements, such as the back seat? That's my only real gripe about the Tundra at this time. Do either of you (or others) have suggestions on the bench vs. the bucket front seats? That's the last major decision for the unit that I am undecided. Rest is taking shape.
Accept the fact that most of us are reasonably educated people who probably did a bit of research before plunking down 20-30K for a truck. That being said, barring any lemons, we should all be happy with our purchase and accept the fact that the other reasonably intelligent person is probably happy with their purchase also. I mean I would hate my Tundra if everybody and their brother drove it, as I am sure the Ford, Chevy and Dodge people would hate it if there were no other choices on the road. Can we give it a little rest and just talk trucks for a bit. Tundra's, Silverado's, F150s whatever. I like to here the good and bad from all makes so when it comes time for my next truck I already have my research options layed out.
...until the end. I don't think I would hate my truck if everyone else drove it. That sort of thing doesn't bother me. I'm glad there are choices out there, though. The more available options the better the chance that you will get exactly what you want/need.
Bud and Bud light are proudly made in the USA by Union Americans,Go drink your sapporo take your kids shopping at Kmart and take your Tundra for a ride.You shouldn't take your freedom for granted many people died for it.
barlitz.... I also enjoy my freedoms by being an American. One of the ones I like best is my Freedom of Choice. I currently drive a Silverado, but I made that choice. If tomorrow when I swap it is a Tundra, Lexus, Porsche, BMW or one of the Big 3 I decide to drive, or what ever else I decide, that is my choice, my 'Freedom'.
The Edmond's forum, which used to be a good way to get input on other vehicles, has turned into a trash bin for people just trying to stir the pot and tick people off. Poking fun in a non-malicious manner is great, but this has turned into 'Road Rage' at it's worst lately.
Everybody stand back, take a deep breath and calm down.
Well said, now onto talking about trucks. Why not just ignore posts from the couple of people intent on "stirring the pot", they will go away once no one gives them any attention.
Ok, I love my Tundra's, ride and handling but I have heard so many good things about Bilstein shocks. I have a 2wd Limited. Are these a good investment or is just like throwing money away for a new toy that really won't be used or provide any difference.
I would also like to ever so slightly raise the nose of the truck up to give it a slightly more squared off look. I think the standard shocks and weight of the V8 tend to give it a slight rake. I don't dislike this rake, I just was wondering if it could be squared off if I wanted to without too much trouble or expense.
ferris47, other guys have said the TRD package which has the Bilstein's rides a bit stiffer on the highway. The TRD has some other bits so don't know if the stiffness is all from the shock. I wouldn't change now, but when I think I've gotten some value out of the originals I plan to replace with the Bilsteins. Will probably add the sway-bar at the same time so I'll really get a change in ride/handling.
If you read his post he's mainly calling bud lite a 3rd class beer meaning its people are third class so because we drink bud and drive american trucks we are third class,thats nice.Foreign Junk, scabs building them for a 1/3 of what thay should be getting paid.Toyota should be ashamed of itself.
Bud Lite isn't a 3rd class beer, it's a 4th class beer. As to the rest, draw your own conclusions.
ferris 47 I have 4WD with the TRD package, and it handles and corners very nicely. It is a bit stiff over bumps, but overall is very comfortable. As far as looks go, I really like my Tundra - only have about 700 miles so far - but I have to say I've seen other trucks that are more "stylish." Some less stylish as well. A matter of personal taste.
I just got done reading post #282 and I have to say you are the most condescending person I have met on this topic. Yes, I sell Toyotas and I used to sell Chevys but I have never stood in an unemployment line. I have a degree from a prestigious West coast university and you will not find a more technically inclined salesman. I may not know the answers to everything but I understand the difference between limited slips and open differentials, between push rods and OHC engines, between rear ABS and LSPV and plenty more. Perhaps you can tell the class exactly what an LSPV is?
In everything I have read from you you have never given a substantive reason not to buy a Tundra except for the back seat. How are you using a half ton truck that the Tundra can't handle it? Be careful how you answer because I don't want anything about 3/4 ton Chevys or talk of diesel engines or "my pappy had one that never broke". 1/2 ton to 1/2 ton, where is the Tundra lacking except for back seat room.
I've given plenty of reasons why I think the Tundra is better and all I see is negative arguments. Give me a proactive argument . And if you dare attempt to lump me in with other salesmen again, you will betray yourself as the true jacka** that I think you are.
Cliffy1, I know this is the wrong forum for this question, but since you're here, and are knowledgeable and helpful, can you tell me what the scoop is on the new Tacoma Double Cab?
Is it going to be the Hi Lux or something new for the U.S. market (e.g., suicide doors instead of forward opening rear doors)?
I'll tell you what I know but it isn't much on this one. It is my understanding that the new Tacoma will be coming out this fall with suicide doors. There is not a crew cab in the official plans BUT... I just got a press release from Toyota that hints at one. It makes reference to following the market on 4 door trucks and Toyota's intention to stay in the compact truck market and jump ahead of the trends. I don't know what this means but I would not be shocked to see a crew cab within the next two years. I am positive we wont see one before the fall.
Saw a picture in the Houston Chronicles that had a Tacoma-size crew cab pickup in it. The article that went with the picture was not about trucks, I think it had something to do with travel. More than likely the shot was taken outside of the U.S. Nissan sold Frontier-type pickups in South America for years before marketing them in the U.S. If I come across the article, I'll scan the picture and post it.
Where did you get your information that Toyota pays their factory workers in Indiana only 2/3 of what a UAW worker gets? I would like to see that data first hand. I have a real hard time believing your claims. The non-union chemical plant where I work pays its hourly workers the same rate as the union sites. The additional benefit is that they don't have to pay union dues. So guess what, they have more money to take home. If the Indiana Toyota plant is non-union, I seriously doubt that their workers aren't being paid close to union rates, otherwise the union would be in there in a heartbeat.
And in keeping to the topic of this board, my Limited 4WD Tundra with TRD and (almost every other option) has 2100 miles on it and runs great. Driving home in it after a hard day at work is a great way to decompress.
Oh, and ruballo, before you ask, no, it did not come from the factory with a trailer hitch. However, the dealer was more than happy to install a Class IV hitch on it at dealer cost.
You can see several Toyota Hi-Lux crewcabs on the www.carryboy.com site. All of the Japanese build these trucks for the rest of the world, they just don't bring them to the U.S. What a shame.
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So what you're saying is that a 'full sized' truck isn't a 'full sized' truck if it doesn't have a long bed? or if you can't find it on a farm?
Frankly, I don't live on a farm. My inlaws have 80 acres in WA with over 30 head of cattle on it. BTW, he drives a Chevy short bed.
Thanks for the reply.
occasions now, there has been/is actually
something worth reading here about the Tundra.
Now, a few people have chosen to degrade the
conversation to the point of disgust. You have
won, you have ruined this for the rest of us who
actually did enjoy competent conversation about
Tundra....even if it wasn't from experts, just
fellow Tundra drivers. How to hell did we stoop so low as to be talking about tractors and butter
beans here. Please take the flames somewhere
else...like to the Dodge Ram board....please let
this board alone, Please? Thanks
All I hear from other Tundra owners is the same crap about a perceived reliability advantage. Gee, glad to be enlightened here about how stupid I have been to have purchased so many trouble free GM vehicles when I could have bought a Toyota! I am glad all the owners that have read "consumer reports" have been able to make me see the error of my ways.
I have heard that you can now do exactly what you said. The parts department can order you a hitch. They are not supposed to do this if you own a Limited but just don't bring it up and install it yourself.
There is such confusion on this issue that it would not surprise me to find some dealers installing them as well. Our store is not doing it on advise of our lawyers.
Can I have some cheeeeeeeeese????
My information is that Toyota is still working with the EPA on this issue but we may not see it resolved until the 2001 model year.
Incidentally, there is no difference between a "factory" hitch and a dealer added one as long as genuine Toyota parts are used. The term factory is a misnomer anyway. Even though it appears on the window sticker, it is added at a port or distribution facility after the truck is built.
And another thing my inbred friend, I have a hitch on my Limited and it does haul. In fact, it hauls much better than my '98 Chevy 1500 did when I drove one as a demo. I am towing the same boat (3300 pounds) and the Tundra does it much quieter with better acceleration (I had the 5.7) and braking and similar stability. Good luck with this one.
I always check out trucks for a while before buying so coming here will give me real life input. I would take that over a magazine report any day.
You are correct, I am sure we would get along much better outside this board. I have very close friends who own Toyota's. I respect their decision to buy one for their preference as they do me for mine. We don't get into the brand wars and crap. That is for the high school kids.
They also don't try and feed me a bunch of crap about how their trucks are of better quality. They have had as many or more problems with Toyota's as I have with my GM trucks as even I had with my Toyota trucks. The quality advantage is just not apparent now like it was 10 years ago.
We like just like all trucks, no matter what it's name tag is. We buy what we like....period.
If you are ready to just talk trucks without predjudice of other truck makes and can discuss trucks without stating all others to be inferior, I will calm my secondaries too.
Tell you what, I'll buy a new boat that weights 4000 fully rigged and let you know how it works out. Again, I know that doesn't come close to the full capacity but anything larger and I wont be able to fish out of it.
You can say anything you want about quality and back seat room but a real serious drive will quickly demonstrate why the Tundra is a serious contender. There is no comparison in ride comfort, noise, handling and ergonomics. Besides that, in my experience in seeing several hundred trade-ins over the past 6 years, Toyota has a much better chance of not having the problems of a domestic.
I bought my Tundra because I wanted a truck that I could take hunting, get off road on occasion, get through snow and tow my boat. I wanted something classy and comfortable and I don't want any problems. Even if I didn't sell them, I would have picked the Tundra if I bothered to take a 45 minute test drive.
the most important question - why are you here? people want to listen to you about as much as they want to ever meet you - they dont! answer this - did someone run over your cousin/girlfriend in a toyota? why all the remarks? good luck with your wife now!
I agree that the Tundra is smooth and quiet, but that doesn't equate to more quality to me. These trucks are becoming more and more "quiet" due to more use of car parts over truck parts. I don't like my independent front suspension on my Silverado that is only there for a "cushier" ride and such. The IFS is much less durable and less efficient offroad than it's solid axle predecessors.
You aren't telling "me" anything about the Tundra. I keep up with mechanics and designs pretty well. The Tundra has no advantages over my Silverado. I don't even consider the new supposed high tech ohc 32 valve motors advantageous to my Silverado's deep skirt 6 bolt main "PROVEN" pushrod powerplant. You can keep it. Like I said, be a great truck for my wife to drive as she likes all the things you consider higher quality, like the car like ride and quiet engine. I just don't put any credit in it's work worthiness for what I would use one for. To me, all they did was stretch the lexus suv into a truck, which is rediculous. I think the cadillac and Mercury suv's are just as worthless for what an suv is actually used for.
No, I don't have any use for the Tundra and I HAVE tested them out. I would like to hear owners' comments down the road and exactly what kind of real use the Tundra was used for before I take a plunge at one. The big three are proven, even the new model Silverado's. The technology used is technology proven to be durable for my use. The Tundra is not.
I see you sell the Tundra. That is probably why you tout such good things about the Tundra and know very little about them on a below surface level. When I go to buy a truck, I buy more from the service shop than I do the sales floor. Most of the sales people of any make vehicle came to sell cars from unemployment or the Jones Store. Very few know anything about mechanics or powerplant designs, tests over time, etc. However they are always pushing their vehicle to be the "proven" best because of this so-called fact or the other. Pop one question about it's mechanical design or the advantages of a certain function of the vehicle and they politely excuse themselves for a "quick moment", only to go back to the service dept. or the "guy who really knows" the answer.
Unlike the importbashers that keep slamming the Tundra's size as it's biggest focus, I base my preference more on the whole package....size, engine design, transmission and transfer case (taken from the compact Tacoma truck!), wheel base, suspension, frame, etc.
For my money, I got much more truck than I would have gotten with the Tundra and in 3-5 years when most of the Tundra owners have traded off their leased Tundra for another one, I would like to hear from the owners that still have theirs. I want to compare the repair tickets and problems reported and under what type of work diress that Tundra was actually placed under. Like all my GM trucks, I really work my trucks, and I have NEVER been left stranded by any of them. I have had two Tacoma's and BOTH have left me walking on commuter trips to work!
I think I'll hold on to my inferior, less quality Silverado, thank you very much!
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I have averaged between 18 to 19.5. The lower fuel economy is associated with the crazy oxygenated fuel we get for the winter.
Mine is a manual.
The V6 is also offered in the V6 with 2 or 4 wheel drive. I have seen two people to have these on edumunds. I cannot remember who these people are, offhand. TP4UNC may know this information. Rwebellam2 may know too.
Just let me know if you want need other info.
I have 13,000 on mine now.
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Also, In 20 years of buying vehicles, I never met anyone who ( if price no object) would take any domestic SUV over a Toyota Landcruiser..NO ONE.
By the way, who would use a screen name of
" Bud Lite Dude" I am sure a graduate of Yale!!
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That is....if your mommy will let you come out and "play".
Now just wondering if framehog has seen anything more on the new model improvements, such as the back seat? That's my only real gripe about the Tundra at this time. Do either of you (or others) have suggestions on the bench vs. the bucket front seats? That's the last major decision for the unit that I am undecided. Rest is taking shape.
Thanks, and good luck down the road.
The Edmond's forum, which used to be a good way to get input on other vehicles, has turned into a trash bin for people just trying to stir the pot and tick people off. Poking fun in a non-malicious manner is great, but this has turned into 'Road Rage' at it's worst lately.
Everybody stand back, take a deep breath and calm down.
I would also like to ever so slightly raise the nose of the truck up to give it a slightly more squared off look. I think the standard shocks and weight of the V8 tend to give it a slight rake. I don't dislike this rake, I just was wondering if it could be squared off if I wanted to without too much trouble or expense.
Thanks For any input.
other guys have said the TRD package which has the Bilstein's rides a bit stiffer on the highway. The TRD has some other bits so don't know if the stiffness is all from the shock. I wouldn't change now, but when I think I've gotten some value out of the originals I plan to replace with the Bilsteins. Will probably add the sway-bar at the same time so I'll really get a change in ride/handling.
ferris 47 I have 4WD with the TRD package, and it handles and corners very nicely. It is a bit stiff over bumps, but overall is very comfortable. As far as looks go, I really like my Tundra - only have about 700 miles so far - but I have to say I've seen other trucks that are more "stylish." Some less stylish as well. A matter of personal taste.
In everything I have read from you you have never given a substantive reason not to buy a Tundra except for the back seat. How are you using a half ton truck that the Tundra can't handle it? Be careful how you answer because I don't want anything about 3/4 ton Chevys or talk of diesel engines or "my pappy had one that never broke". 1/2 ton to 1/2 ton, where is the Tundra lacking except for back seat room.
I've given plenty of reasons why I think the Tundra is better and all I see is negative arguments. Give me a proactive argument . And if you dare attempt to lump me in with other salesmen again, you will betray yourself as the true jacka** that I think you are.
Is it going to be the Hi Lux or something new for the U.S. market (e.g., suicide doors instead of forward opening rear doors)?
Thanks for any info.
Where did you get your information that Toyota pays their factory workers in Indiana only 2/3 of what a UAW worker gets? I would like to see that data first hand. I have a real hard time believing your claims. The non-union chemical plant where I work pays its hourly workers the same rate as the union sites. The additional benefit is that they don't have to pay union dues. So guess what, they have more money to take home. If the Indiana Toyota plant is non-union, I seriously doubt that their workers aren't being paid close to union rates, otherwise the union would be in there in a heartbeat.
And in keeping to the topic of this board, my Limited 4WD Tundra with TRD and (almost every other option) has 2100 miles on it and runs great. Driving home in it after a hard day at work is a great way to decompress.
Oh, and ruballo, before you ask, no, it did not come from the factory with a trailer hitch. However, the dealer was more than happy to install a Class IV hitch on it at dealer cost.