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  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    You have(had) A Ram, F-series and Tundra. I'd say your the most qualified person to make comparisons on these vehicles. It's getting old reading posts from people who haven't even test drove all these trucks. Hope to hear more unbiased info from you in the future.
  • geezer3geezer3 Member Posts: 30
    Thanks Ferris47 for some good ideas. Have friends with Dakota,Silverado and Ford,so have driven them. All are very loyal to their product, and that's okay. Liked the F-150 best. Will drive the Tundra before purchase of course,but think it will serve my needs best.
    That sports car test drive sounds like fun but my previous employment(retired)won't allow that. I suspect that 'Swine' and I had, or have similar careers. Re: mass and impact,etc.... Based on my experience whenever two or more vehicles come together, nobody wins !
    Thanks again to you and others for the Info...
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    Bruce, I couldn't agree with you more. I have been a happy owner of Ford trucks and likely will continue to be. However, the bashing of the Tundra as an imitation 1/2 ton is ridiculous. Clearly the truck belongs in the category. I could be wrong, but I'd guess that the payload is similar and the tow ratings are plenty for what people tow with 1/2 ton trucks. If you're going to be towing something more than the Tundra is rated to tow, you almost certainly need a 3/4 ton truck.

    As far as the TL article goes, the tester was probably right off the showroom floor, so there is the break-in issue. However, TL is fair because they test all of the trucks the same way. They tested a 6.0L Silverado 4x4 with a 4.10 axle ratio a month or so ago and I believe it got less than 14mpg solo and under 9 towing. I think the mpg figures in TL are one of the best things about the tests they do. The trucks they test almost always get lower than advertised, and they give you an unbiased look at what you might expect.

    Hopefully, the TL article will help the Tundra bashers come to grips with the fact that there is now another solid contender in the 1/2 truck market. We all benefit from the increased competition, regardless of what brand of truck you drive.
  • anonymousanonymous Member Posts: 314
    I agree with your post completely
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I haven't bashed the Tundra itself but I do not agree with buying Toyota's. The average Toyota factory worker in the US makes $14.00 an hour while a UAW worker averages $21.00.How can Toyota justify selling its overpriced trucks when their labor costs are almost a 1/3 less.Ford will be issuing $8000. profit sharing checks to its employess this March will Toyota I doubt it.To most of you this means nothing but to people who have families to feed it means a lot.This is why I back unions because they fight for you and a better life for you.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Would you kindly share the source of this information? Perhaps also you could include the overtime figures, profit sharing, vacation and other figures with that so we have a better view of compensation programs. Then perhaps you can enlighten us as to why Toyota chose to spend 3 Billion dollars in the heartland of the US this year and compare that to how many jobs the big three created in the US and how many went to Canada and Mexico.

    It may even be useful to describe to us the working environment. I am sure that the Georgetown plant is similar and there has been no attempts to organize even though the UAW has an office down the street from the factory. I witnessed this with my own eyes.

    Your post raises some interesting points. I would like to see a bit more than unsupported statements to back up your claims. Please understand that this is not a challenge but a polite request. I don't want to start a war on this issue but if you have the data, I really would like to see it.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    Well believe it or not I read most of that info from the Toyota USA sight, after posting that I did some more research Toyota has done a lot in the US market (we are after all the largest in the world) in creating jobs in the US and they are building another plant I think in West Virginia to build engines.I think eventually Toyota will totally build in the US at least from what I read out of it,if it wasn't for the US market for auto's the recession in Japan would be worse.If your vin # begins with 1 or 3 it was assembled in the US if it begins with 2 it was assembled in Canada ,if it begins with 4 assembled in Mexico and if it begins with J assembled in Japan.Toyota is not a member of the UAW but they are a member of another union and some of there products are endorsed by UAW workers.If they would offer fair wages then they would get my support.
  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    Right on Cliffy! And just what you'd expect as a response, nothing specific.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    NEWS FLASH: In the ever desperate battle to save their egos the group know as "The Tundra Bashers" have moved on to Game Plan C, this after loosing their battles with Game Plans A and B (see footnote). Game Plan C, defined as "Try and convince potential buyers not to buy a Tundra because Toyota doesn't managed it's plants or build trucks like the Old3", seems doomed to failure. On analysis, Game Plan C's logic seems to follow the same thought pattern that has lead to such catastrophic losses of the TTB as buyer after buyer leave the fortresses of the Old3 and drive happily away in their Tundras. Stay tuned for more news in what should prove to be a short war.

    Footnote:
    TTB Game Plan A: "Try and convince potential buyers not to buy a Tundra because the quality and reliability of the Toyota Tundra are not as good as the Old3".
    TTB Game Plan B: "Try and convince potential buyers that a Tundra is not a 'Full-Size' truck".
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    You forgot to expose their command structure...

    The Tundra basher army:
    Quadrunner-General in charge
    barlitz-propaganda officer
    rubluetoo-Intelligence officer

    The rest are the field grunts and post only what they're told to by the elite officer corp listed above.
  • geezer3geezer3 Member Posts: 30
    After reedin' bout them 'Tundra tremors ' made me nervus, so visited Chevee site an red that stuf'..

    Manee of them Chevees be shakin Rube...
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    Thanks for the promotion I thought I was gonna be a Private for the rest of my life.Cliffy1 aren't you a district manager for Toyota wouldn't you know if Toyota's are union built?
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    The TBA has regained the front line.It seems your commander Cliffy1 knows the Tundra is nonunion built and that is why he didn't come out with a direct response.The Tacoma and Corolla are the only Toyota products the Unions endorse.The Avalon,Camry,Sienna and Tundra are nonunion built.www.unionlabel.org/dobuy/toyota.htm This is a grand day for the TBA.
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    if Toyota is union or not.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    ....but...Wait, let me tell you a few facts first. I have owned 4 NEW Toyota's since 1981, 81 Celica, 88 Camary, 89 Xcab 4x4 PU & 95 Xcab SR5 2x4. With that said, I could not wait till the Tundra came out, bugged Tristin at Classic Toyota (who sold me my T100) everyday. But when one finally showed up for me to drive ( I had seen it up close at an Auto show in Houston) I was disappointed, not in the engine, ride, quality, but that it was very close to my T100 in size. My buddy (who bought my 89 4x4) said the same thing, it looked like a "gussied up T100 with a V8". That's when I went "looking for a full size truck" and ended up with a 99 Silverado......excellent truck. Toyota called the T100 a full size truck and everyone agreed (after production stopped) it was NOT a full size truck, why now do you think it is when it does NOT exceed the Big 3 in any measurement (size)? Would I own one?.....sure, on try # 3 when they finally make it run with the BIG dogs. Need for you to wake up and quit trying to tell everyone that silver dollars pancakes are "full size" and justify it by saying that "the size makes it easier to negociate into my mouth" and see "its the same height as the full size" and blah blah blah. Don't remember who posted earlier about the different length being over a foot, but think about it, thats alot. Oh, and to put your mind at ease that I'm bitter about Toyota or something, I'm not, all the vehicles owned were great, a few minor problems here and there, nothing major, and I still own a Toyota product, 98 Lexus GS300 - no problems in 18K miles.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    The "Union" issue is just a variation on the "Buy American" theme used by Old3 folks. After losing so many customers, the Old3 marketing folks have tried to insinuate that not purchasing from them brings into question your political loyalties. What else can they do? After all, if you compare products on their technical merits and value, they lose. It's obvious this marketing theme as an act of desperation, deflecting attention away from the product on to something else. By the way, I believe Unions are one of the main reasons he Old3 is in this position.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I don't know where you get your info how has the big 3 lost so many customers? Ford #1 fullsize 22 straight years.GM almost beat Ford with something like 700000 units sold.If you add up just Ford and GM its close to a million and a half not including Dodge.I think Toyota sold 100000 trucks 1/15 of just Ford and GM.By the way my F250 XLT 4x4 4door supercab union built truck probably costs less than your nonunion made Tundra. Good Luck with that one now.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    At least you're back on the topic again, and telling us why you didn't buy a Tundra. But, you shouldn't rely on rube for figures since he apparently doesn't know the difference between truck length and wheelbase length. To make sure of my figures I drug out the size specifications of the 4 trucks discussed here from "Consumer Reports" Full-Sized Pickup Road Test. I trust their specs are correct and that I won't get in trouble for posting them here. There is no doubt that the Tundas' exterior dimensions are the smallest of the 4, but it is clearly in the "Full-Size" category. The Tundra is 10" shorter than the longest truck (Silverado) and 5" narrower than the widest truck (F-150). But that's it! The interior room is comparable to all of them.

    Tundra Access Cab
    Interior Room: Front shoulder room - 62.0", Leg room - 40.5", Head room 6.0" above person 5' 9", Rear shoulder room - 56.0", Fore-aft room - 24.0", Rear head room - 3.0", Door top to ground 66.0", Exterior Dimensions: Length - 218", Width - 75", Ground clearance 9.0"

    F-150 XLT Supercab
    Interior Room: Front shoulder room - 63.5", Leg room - 42.0", Head room 7.0" above person 5' 9", Rear shoulder room - 60.0", Fore-aft room - 24.5", Rear head room - 2.5", Door top to ground 70.5", Dimensions: Length - 226", Width - 80", Ground clearance 10.0"

    Silverado LS 1500
    Interior Room: Front shoulder room - 65.0", Leg room - 40.5", Head room 6.0" above person 5' 9", Rear shoulder room - 59.5", Fore-aft room - 23.5", Rear head room - 3.0", Door top to ground 67.5", Exterior Dimensions: Length - 228", Width - 79", Ground clearance 9.0"

    Ram 1500 Quad Cab SLT
    Interior Room: Front shoulder room - 65.5", Leg room - 40.0", Head room 5.0" above person 5' 9", Rear shoulder room - 62.0", Fore-aft room - 22.0", Rear head room - 3.5", Door top to ground 70.5", Exterior Dimensions; Length - 224", Width - 79", Ground clearance 8.5"
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    I was speaking to how the big 3 have lost customer across all vehicle categories since they where all by themselves. In every other catgory the Big 3 aren't always on top (most popular car for instance). The Full-Size truck category was the last bastion, with no competition, right? Isn't that part of what has the TBA so stirred up? But, yes they are still big. I attribute a lot of that to the cattle/sheep mentality of a lot of buyers , i.e. "I don't feel like really researching my options, so I'll just buy what everyone else does." This is what everyone I know does. That is also working to Toyota's benefit now. I would estimate that 30%-40% of the pickups, compact or full-size, that are in my area are Tacomas. There're more Toyotas by far than any other make around here, and that number is growing. I think Toyota only sold 150,000 T100's in the products entire life! Clearly a failure. Thankfully Toyota started over, the Tundra is not a T100. This is born out by how upset the Big3 guy's are. The T100 was nothing to worry about, the Tundra is. We'll see how the Tundra , and Toyota, far over the next few years won't we.
    The F250 XLT 4x4's at my local dealer cost more than my loaded AccessCab LTD Tundra. I did consider buying one but the 250 was just too big for my needs. Th F150 was the right size but I heard all kinds of bad experiences from Ford owners/drivers. After driving Toyota trucks for 8 years the Tundra was what I wanted, a full-size Toyota truck!
    Imagine how much less the F250 would cost, or how much better the quality or reliability would be, if it were made by a non-union company. The money for those higher wages has to come from somewhere!
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I'm not hear to bash the Tundra or Toyota if You read most my posts I am fighting for the american worker, collective bargaining agreement everyones entitled to make a decent wage.The Tacoma is union made so maybe the Tundra will be down the road.I'm not sure I agree with your comment on union vs nonunion quality.You can ask that same ? as to where the extra money Toyota gets after building the Tundra.Ford employees will be getting an $8000. bonus check in March I read.And I paid $26000 for my truck.I think thats less than you, I've got a 3 year warranty like you I could purchase a 6 year for about a $1000.But to be honest with you I've never had problems with any truck I've owned mainly Fords and Mazdas.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Quote from Mike Miller>>>>I attribute a lot of that to the cattle/sheep mentality of a lot of buyers , i.e. "I don't feel like really researching my options, so I'll just buy what everyone else does." This is what everyone I know does.<<<<
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    (1) Kansas rancher feeds 200 "smart shoppers" like you.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Your fighting a losing battle on the size issue. Keep in mind the TBA has been told all there lives, by sympathetic women, that 2-3" is really big and satisfying. ;)
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    $26000 is less than the $28500 I paid for my Tundra. What options do you have? My LTD AccessCab LTD has 6-CD, power capt. chairs, Electrochromatic rear-view mirror w/ thermometer/compass, security system, chrome running bars, Bed liner, TRD package. My local Ford dealer tried to play MSRP hard-ball.

    Your last post made me think of a question that I don't think I've seen asked. Why do you post here? Is it that you truly believe the Tundra is not a good truck? Is it that Toyota is not owned by Americans? What??

    How do you feel about Chrysler now that they have merged with a German owned company? Does this mean that you would only buy from GM or Ford now? Don't you think the folks in Toyotas' Indiana plant are Americans? Do you think every worker that is not unionized is getting ripped off?
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Please take your irrelevant union talk somewhere else. It has no place in a truck topic. I am not saying you are wrong (your posts speak for themselves) just not what most people come here to read. Don't you union guys have some club house or something you can go to to talk about this BS.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    The "Consumer Report" article did not mention the wheelbase on any of the trucks, other that quoting their turning circle. This is the only place wheelbase comes into play. How could the closeness of the front wheels to the back wheels possibly effect the size of the truck? The wheels on a Silverado could be placed anywhere from 228" apart to 16" and it would not affect the size of the truck. Wheelbase affects turning, handling and ride comfort, not size.

    Do you think the auto industry has just goofed up and mislabeled the Tundra as full-size? By the way, what make and model of vehicle do you own?
  • bunkeybunkey Member Posts: 4
    I have read all the postings for the Silverado and the Tundra. I have also put both trucks through a good overall workout to compare and my money goes to the Tundra. There wasn't one thing on the Tundra that didn't show up as inferior to any of the so called Big Three
  • geezer3geezer3 Member Posts: 30
    Quit pickin' on Rube.. He makes us think and thats good.. Actually, ol' Rube he already bought a tundra, but has to keep it 'hid' in the barn cuz his GM pals wouldn't understand ! Keeps that rusty old Silverado in the driveway for appearance sake.
    You got my support, and keep on truckin' Rube !

    PS: Just ordered a Tundra...
  • macduffmacduff Member Posts: 15
    just warm it up for rublu. Why does he keep rambling about the T 100? Doesn't he know this is a Tundra topic?

    By the way, America wasn't built on unions, it was built on the free enterprise system. Competition is good for all parties involved, TBA, including the Holy Big 3.
  • geezer3geezer3 Member Posts: 30
    Truly, I appreciate your input and have in fact researched some of the info. you provided. Still like the Tundra, but only time will tell. They are all terribly expensive and I keep them for 8-10 years. Currently have a 92' Nissan p/u .. Just replaced the timing belt and tune-up at 62,000 miles. $769.00 ... No more of that now ! Have owned several Chevies and Fords with mixed results and who knows what's best! Pays your money and takes your chances...

    Best,

    Geezer (as in old )
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    I know your specs are not correct. One dimension I know for sure is wrong. The F150 has a higher body hight, but the actual ground clearance is 1.5 inches less than the Silverado.

    Not stating GM superiority or anything of the like. Just an observation of one so-called fact that I know for a "fact" is incorrect.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    'There wasn't one thing on the Tundra
    that "didn't show up as inferior to any of the so called Big Three"'

    I think the big three guys will agree with you on this statement. What was your point?
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Ka chink!
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    reminds me of the blue hairs at the old folks pavillion beauty shop on Monday mornings!

    Toyota people - get over the superiority complex. Your trucks are just as volatile and prone to failures as any American made truck. Slamming the Big 3 does nothing but lessen what little credibility you start with.

    Big 3 people - give the union stuff and all the Toyota bashing a rest. Respect the right of peoples choices in this Democratic society. When it comes down to it, who really cares. The Toyota buyers just bring the prices of our American trucks down to more affordable rates and increases quality control of our trucks due to the competition. The sales figures year after year prove whos doing what the best. If the Big 3 was junk like they are made out to be here, Toyota wouldn't sell landslides less vehicles as the Big 3 trucks.

    Let the Toyota owners slam our trucks, while we laugh all the way to the bank.
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    >>>'There wasn't one thing on the Tundra
    that "didn't show up as inferior to any of the so
    called Big Three"
    '<<<<<

    Especially the timing belt.
    (LOL!)
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    The Topic is about the Tundra. If you don't like it and think your chevy is better, why are you so upset on all your postings. "Toyota superiority" is obvious to the majority of us lucky enough to own a Tundra. I'm sorry your not happy with your choice. Read the postings by angry silverado owners. They want their money back! Especially the ones that made the mistake of switching from Toyota to chevy. Look, I screwwd up and bought the big three hype years ago. I've learned my lesson and will stick with Toyota unless their quality goes down the drain like the domestics.
  • pchengpcheng Member Posts: 162
    Okay, I didn't think I would add to the fray, but I decided to check out that UAW site. I also checked out Ford and Chevy. Grated the F-Series and the Silverado's were made in US and Canadian Union plants, but I was curious about the footnote of Mexican sourced vehicles from both manufacturers. Well, I don't know if those Mexican factories are unionized or not, but I'd be surprised if those Mexican auto workers were making $21US per hour.

    So...tell me again why you are supporting a company that is shipping jobs to Mexico instead of a company that is making jobs in the US?
  • pchengpcheng Member Posts: 162
    Oh yeah, I almost forgot, will those Mexican auto workers partake in the $8,000 bonus?
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    I respect the choices people make in buying a truck, but all you do is disrespect others' choices in a very bad attempt to claim Toyota superior. You obviously are another one that claims Toyota superior when you probably have never even changed your own oil. Most of you Toyota finatic's that slam domestics and put imports on the holy platform no absolutely nothing about auto mechanics and could not credibly state anything about your Toyota or our domestics.

    I am very satisfied with my purchase. I have never had a "bad" GM truck out of the many over the years I have owned. I have owned two Toyota trucks that were good for what they are, but each spent 8 weeks or longer in the shop for head gasket repair, both under 40k miles. Toyota quality????? Superior to American???? I have not seen it. I had a 93 Camry that continuously chewed up flywheels and starters since new. The money I spent in purchase and repairs on that car, I could have bought two American made equivalents and probably would not have had the repair problems with them. A "rebuilt" starter for that thing alone was $120 vise $40 for a brand new American equivalent. I have had many GM cars that went over 100k miles without any major repair. I could go on and on with comparisons, but that would be defeating my point. My point is that even though I have had MUCH better luck with American made vehicles, I don't feel the need to come to these topics and BASH imports and disrespect people like you do. Nobody wants to hear your garbage. Tell of your experiences in a respectful, non-slamming way and your posts will have much more credibility.

    I come here not out of buyers remorse. I could have bought two or three Tundras in cash payment had I wanted to. I drove the Tundra and it did not impress me at all. It was a smooth accelerating engine and I am sure it is as good a truck as any as far as all catagories, including reliability, but certainly no better than any other truck make. It does not compare in size or package options as the big three and costs way too much for what you get.

    If you look at the topics about the Tundra, both here, as well as other boards, there are PLENTY of Tundra owners that are not as pleased as you are with the Tundra. All the people that you hear complaining are the ones that [non-permissible content removed] and moan about every little thing, no matter what make of truck it is and would probably [non-permissible content removed] just as much if they had a Tundra. Then they go and buy something else, maybe a Tundra, and [non-permissible content removed] and moan about it also. They are never happy with anything and eventually run out of truck makes to buy.

    The amount of GM trucks with "real" problems are very few and are related to the same vibrations that the Tundra has. Ironic thing is that even the ones that end up getting their trucks bought back, turn around and buy another GM truck. Gee, I wonder why that is?????

    Your points of Toyota superiority are invalid. They may fool the unknowing non-mechanical crowd, but those who really know the industry do not give you and other domestic bashers any credit at all, because they know the truth of the matters. However, they, unlike you, don't feel the need to come to these sites to bash imports or tout domestic superiority in a futile attempt at making credibility in their truck make choices.

    Do you want to respectfully talk trucks and be one of the informed or is your only motive to bash domestics and talk trash of things you really know very little about. Your current methods keep you ignorant.

    My peace.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    They are not my specs they are straight out of the "Consumer Report" article. The model and tires will effect body height. The article said the Silverado tested was a LS 1500 with Firestone Steeltex A/T, LT245/75R16 108 tires. The F-150 was a XLT Supercab 4x4 with Goodyear Wrangler AT/S LT265/70R17 LR C tires.
  • 1taxman1taxman Member Posts: 27
    OK you convinced me! You guys don't like Toyotas.
    Then leave the topic. I have looked at some of the Chevy topics, I don't see a bunch of Toyota people bashing Chevys. I see Chevy owners bashing Chevys. The Tundra topics are for Tundra owners and those wanting Tundra information. Why don't you spend your time bashing the Tundras on those sites that are set up for it. We don't need to hear the same old complaints out of you everyday.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    Again, I have owned 5 Toyotas, 2 of them trucks and I have no buyers remorse. If I did I'd take my PAID OFF Silverado and get a Tundra. Instead I spend my money on customizing my Silverado (wheels, split rear exhaust, headers, bed mat, etc). And I never said the Silverado was better or the Tundra had problems or any negative remark other than this illusion that people believe that the Tundra is full size.
  • BrutusBrutus Member Posts: 1,113
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the classifications for 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and 1 ton are related to GVWR since that figure doesn't change if you go with a different engine, tranny or axle ratio combo. What is the GVWR of the Tundra? My guess is that it is about the same as the Big 3.
  • smcpherrsmcpherr Member Posts: 114
    You guys are funny in here. I have to agree with BLD, you Toyota guys are a bit touchy. The main reason a lot of non-Toyota people (myself included) visit this particular topic is is to keep you guys in check. A lot of people come to this site and others in order to get information so they can make an educated choice when they buy their next vehicle. Some of the claims I read by some people in this site (and others) may have a bit of truth in them, but are exaggerated beyond belief. Yes, your beloved Tundra is "supposed" to be more reliable than the domestics. That claim is only due to Toyotas "reputation" for being reliable as the Tundra hasn't been out that long. The domestics that have been produced since Toyota began production on the Tundra are still very reliable too, heck, they're only a few months old. In reality, looking at the figures for reliability, Toyota are only vaguely more reliable than the domestics, and I would guess that the domestics are abused in ways the Toyota isn't used. YES, your Tundra is good. Yes, I think it is nice, but, NO, it wasn't for me. I try to help people coming here with questions about what truck to buy, and part of that is coming here to make sure you guys aren't spreading uneducated lies about my vehicle. You say that Tundra owners aren't going to other topics to defend their vehicles against attacks by domestic owners, well, maybe you should.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    People who come into this topic trying to say that potential buyers should not buy a Tundra because it's defective, not a full-size truck, and that it shouldn't be bought because it's not American owned, tend to make very satisfied Tundra owners want to "keep the non-Toyota people in check" as you would say.
    Not all non-Toyota people who visit this topic are saying this and your opinions and perspectives are appreciated by me. But there are other people who do seem to have other motives than provide facts ( i.e. do what ever it takes to keep people from buying this new truck).
    You are right it is a personal decision about what truck you want. All of them have positives and negatives. It took me 3 months to decide, it's not easy. It's a matter of which one has the most positives you care about and the least negatives you can live with. There is no perfect truck. I feel that trying to give information about the pros and cons of the Tundra is part of what this topic is about. The problem is that everyone's opinion of what is a pro and what is a con are different. Some people view the fact that it's a Toyota as too big a negative to get over. You're also right about the reliability of the Tundra, they've only been out for what, 7 months? However there IS a difference in management style, customer care, and design philosophy amongst the different manufactures. This does affect your vehicle experience in the long run and this is how some of these feelings about different manufactures come about. By the way, what figures of reliability where you looking at?
    As you said part of the reason you come here is "to make sure you guys aren't spreading uneducated lies about my vehicle". That is what people here are trying to do too. And you're right, we should check out the other topics.
  • cskalacskala Member Posts: 23
    I didn't want to respond to these idiots. But they're dominating the Tundra topics.

    Why do Bud Light Dude, Rubluetoo, Smcpherr spend so much time on this site??

    They come across like the geeky little hall monitors in grade school...BLD and Rubluetoo should have spent more time in English class learning how to spell rather than roaming the halls!

    Regarding the quality/ reliability issue: Read any of the annual car reports from Consumer Reports, clearly GM/Dodge (and to a lesser degree Ford) products don't match Toyota's. These unbiased reports show a clear difference.

    Law of averages says I should go with the better track record--so I have.

    Regarding the Import issue: At least I know every Tundra truck I wave at passing by was made in the USA by Americans who needed a job too. Can Ford/Dodge/GM truck owners say that?

    Regarding full size issue: That's in the eye of the beholder. Interior room is excellent, towing and hauling capacity meet MY NEEDS, sitting between the F350/Ram/Silverado and a Dakota, and it drives better! On those occasions you Big 3 use every ounce of your capacity--Great!! And on those occasions when you need a little more--I guess you really screwed up. Should have bought that F-350. My neighbor bought a F-350 4x4 crewcab powerstroke diesel and I'm sure he feels the F-150s, the Silverados, and the Rams aren't close to full size. He's a great guy. I complement him on his truck, He complements me on mine. He'd just like to see a dead elk strapped to my hood, that's all:)

    My advise, enjoy what you have, and quit pissing in our Tundra Wheaties.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    You are the only one pissing on anything. Another perfect example of the immaturity I speak of. "This is my experience and so it is fact". "My 1 Toyota experience has been awesome, so Toyota is superior."

    Get real. I have had more problems with three Toyota's I have owned and spent way more money too, than I have with the dozens of American vehicles I have owned. I guess my experiences can be considered law now too. So who is the hall monitor in the stalemate. Why, Toyota owners, of course! They are the almighty, no all's around here.

    Tell me Toyota owners, what advantage or disadvantage does dual overhead cam present in a truck for heavy use? This is not meant to be a trick question. I want to hear one of these Toyota owners that can identify this intelligently. I don't give a rip if you can spell correctly or if you know how to use spell check. This has no correlation to intelligence at all. Some of the most famous and genius inventors and engineers were basically illiterate.
    Thomas Edison was not schooled, but was a genius.
    Let me hear about your knowledge about this superior Toyota you have. Intelligently discuss how it is advantageous to domestic designs in both functionality and reliability. I don't want to read a marketing brochure. I want to read YOU telling everyone this info.

    I would venture to say you will most likely call up a mechanic friend and ask him or her to help, because again, most likely, you can't answer to any type question. But yet, you will still spout off crap you know nothing about and claim Toyota superiority.

    What a joke.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I've got the 5.4 V8,auto,privacy glass,rear slider,factory tonneau,chrome wheels with offroad tires,tow package,locking tailgate,a/c,cc,pw,pl
    am/fm cass,front tow hooks,4whl ABS,keyless entry w/remote start,skid plates,alarm.The truck is bright clearcoat red with chrome and black.Ford also has the engine that will run without antifreeze and the 100 mile tuneup intervals.I'm sure there's more just can't think of it.Truck did list for 31555.but I am a good negotiator.It took me 3 hours and an arm wrestle to get that price.I'm not gonna harp about the unions I'm a firm believer in supporting my Country.I do believe the Mexican workers are UAW.I don't know what they make but if it is $21. american they could retire after 1 year of service.Unions do not like jobs going to Mexico or Canada for that matter but I think it has something to do with NAFTA.I read that Ford is trying to get into the Chinese market and sell vehicles,I also read that the Japanese Yen is at an all time low and there prices are dropping.What I don't like about that is they will ship more vehicles and pawn them off to Americans but yet they won't except american vehicles in return and alls that does is increase the deficit between the US and Japan meaning we owe them more money.In return it costs everybody money in your tax money.Do you think because your trucks are built in the US is the reason why they are having some problems?Is it the build quality that makes you think your trucks are so inferior?By the way I hit 2 squares 9-0 and 3-6.
  • dharmabumdharmabum Member Posts: 20
    This is what edmund's boards have become: A couple of months ago someone asked at the off road board about a good place to learn about Tundra's. I asked them, had they checked Edmunds? They said that it was so full of CRAP regarding people arguing back and forth, it wasn't worth the waste of time to read the posts to find good info. Sad but true...........
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    You cannot learn anything from Tundra/Toyota owners. We are ALL stupid. Please venture over to the Silverado topic and learn yourself sumthin'. Thanks in advance.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    You claim no buyers remorse? Give us a break! Every post of yours is an obvious justification to why your driving a truck that you now wish had been a Tundra. Go to the Silverado site and cry with the rest of them, just leave us happy Tundra owners to talk about our awesome truck without your fussing and whining.
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