I signed up on this site about 6 months ago to get information from owners of the Toyota Tundra. I ordered, in the 1st. week of Sept. thru CarOrder.com, a 2WD Access Cab Limited with the following:
All Weather Guard Package Prem Sound w/6 CD Changer Leather Captain's Chairs(Power) Security System(Door Locks) Spare Tire Locks Carpet Floor Mat
I received it on Nov. 13, 1999. The total drive out price including 8.25% sales tax in Calif. and over $500 Auto Lic. was $28,158. Within three weeks after after I received the truck, I added the following at total cost of $2,846:
Toyota Class IV Hitch and related wire harness Toyota Hood Protector(Bug Shield) SNUGTop EXPO cab high shell BedRug Toyota Front and Rear Sport Mats
To date we have taken trips to Palm Springs, Death Valley and Grand Canyon/Sedona. The truck runs great and I have not experience and problems at all, except it's very difficult to keep the truck under the speed limit on these trips. Does anyone know of a very good radar detector?
For those of you who have provided valuable technical and/or practical information, thank you. For those of you who have not, ........!
I don't get real worked up over unions. No union worker has ever had to experience what commissioned salesmen go through every month. I am paid exactly what I am worth each month. Union workers are paid what the collective is worth divided by the number in that collective. Unions may have their place but they do not promote individual initiative.
Unless Toyota gets itself into another joint factory agreement with GM, don't look for the Tundra to get the union seal of approval any time soon.
BTW, I am glad to see that USA Today is the source for the pay statistics that started this thread. I though somebody would have real figures.
I got those pay scale figures on what toyota pays from the Toyota USA web site.I agree with you I wouldn't want to go through what a salesman goes through my brother was a salesman for Toyota of Watertown Ma for years.I aslo read in that web area that Toyota is considering using the GM Onstar system in there vehicles in the next few years.
I agree with ya. Nothing but a bunch of know nothing school kids arguing at recess. They can't even talk intelligently as to WHY they claim such superiority over domestics.
"Every post of yours is an obvious justification to why your driving a truck that you now wish had been a Tundra."
Not only are you immature, your smokin crack too.
I drove the Tundra. Could have bought three loaded Limiteds with cash had I wanted to. The Tundra just plain didn't impress me at all.
Maybe someday they will build a truck that is impressive enough to sell as many as the big three. 1/15th the sales of the domestics tells the real story.
I will go to the Silverado topics, but first I must stop off at the topics of Tundra vibrations, long turnover starting, high dollar fuel bills from having to run premium unleaded gas, and the latest, but not the last......rear cab doors that whistle and pop open on children riding in the rear cab.
Yeah, I will be sure and be quick about buying one those "superior" Tundra's.
Try the Valentine, it's a bit pricey but it's worth it. I have the same problem keeping it under the speed limit or blowing the doors off of one of the "LITTLE WHINEY THREE". BTW, I'd like to hear from anybody with the Borla Catback system on their Tundra.
whats up, good to see our old "masterminds" are back: topics of Tundra vibrations, long turnover starting, - every tundra i have ver heard of starts - comments? high dollar fuel bills from - buy a chevy - price difference pays my fuel for as long as the chevy will last! having to run premium unleaded gas - tundra runs on regular 87 - best, by the way, anything more expensive is reserved for your union made pieces of crap that dont even start without thw walmart additives that you have to add in the fuel to make sure you get to work and your union meeitng - go UAW! need a jump, how about working for a change?
, and the latest, but not the last......rear cab doors that whistle and pop open on children riding in the rear cab. - my kids are safer in the tundra than climbing in the back of a silverado wihout a seatbelt like a proper redneck.
rubuetoo - stay in your MF - by the way,do you want to race - i figure with K & N and flowmaster i can almost beat you to feeding time - how about it big boy??? I HAVE MORE POWER and comfort - but ni want to rub it in - I HAVE THE FASTEST FULLSIZE TRUCK IN THE WORLD!!! Want to try the Massey Ferguson newsgroup you non truck owning/aspiring dipshit?!?!?! 0-60 = alot faster than you, ever....(oh, well, i hope you never buy a truck because youare a true dipshit! - good luck on that massey ferguson now...dipshit.
Sorry to disapoint you But the lightning is the fastest fullsize truck.You might want to compare your truck to the Dakota and I think the Dakota is faster.
I know that's right! Ole' otto will eat crow if he ever meets up with a Ford Lightning or even a SS Silverado! The Dakota R/T is more the same size class as the Tundra and it will blow those whistling doors off the Tundra with plenty of power to spare.
Sure glad that Tundra can race. Lets strap 8k pounds to it's [non-permissible content removed] end and see how fast it is compared to ANY of the big three trucks!
I am through being nice here. War has begun! Posts like Blotto's are the typical idiocracy going on in the Tundra war rooms. War is something the military trained American's well for. We have plenty of ammunition and the Americans have never lost a war in its history. We made Japan beg for mercy once before, we could do it again too!
For the radar detector question, I would also have to suggest Valentine, as was already suggested. I have friends who swear by them.
DOHC engines. Well basically the market as a whole is moving towards trucks in droves. People who would have never bought a truck in the past are now. These people don't need trucks to pull 12,000 lbs of horse trailer, they want a good well rounded personal vehicle that can do all the things there car can and more. DOHC engines offer a smoother more refined experience that the buyer wants. The drawback, as far as trucks are concerened is they tend to make their power at a higher RPM then a pushrod engine. This is not great for yanking that redwood stump out of the ground. They do however excel at driving on the highway and tend to provide superiour acceleration above 2500 RPM. Again I am generalizing all DOHC engines but speaking about my Tundra specifically.
IMO, the Tundra was specifically designed by Toyota for those people that want a truck but don't want it to act like a truck unless it has to. They managed to make a truck that is truly as drivable as a car, a very nice car and also one that has enough low end grunt to tow 6K relatively easily. This is what many people want. They want their cake and they want to eat it too.
I think all the manufacturers are trying this with their half ton trucks. Look at the Silverado LT., or the Ford 150 Lariat and Dodges SLT trim. All these trucks offer leather, good rides etc. These are the trucks being marketed to the people who probably don't use a truck for work every day or even once a month. They want a car 85% of the time. When they need a truck they want it to do the job. I agree that in a true "Truck" application, where hard work every day and durability are concerned that DOHC is not the way to go. But I also don't think a half ton is the way to go either.
I love my Tundra because it gives me the best balance of anything on the market. Low end power is plenty for any work I might do and even enough for work I will never do. On the highway and on the back road twisties the DOHC engine and suspension work together flawlessy to give me almost sportscar like fun. The back seat although small is bigger then a lot of cars and does the job of hauling groceries fine and when it comes time for me to fill the bed up with gravel for a driveway, she will do that too without breaking a sweat. The best of all worlds is what I want and what I believe I have.
Can't we all just get along? Sorry had to say that. All Toyota people are not superiority complex or immature children nor are all the domestic people. Problem is there is enough of them on both sides to piss everybody off. Just ignore the idiots and post to the people who will give you intelligent feedback. It is pretty easy to ignore what you want to on a message board since most of you are probably hundreds if not thousands of miles away.
Hey Barlitz, this would be chapters 11-16 of the gospel according to Ferris. Not flaming, just screwing around with ya. And yes the Lightning is currently the fastest full size production truck. I think the Silverado SS concept was faster but it will probably never be produced.
I owned a Dakota R/T quick truck, but my Tundra blows the doors off it. The R/T will take the Tundra right off the line for a little less then a truck length and then it is all over, especially when the R/T runs out of breath at about 75 mph. Again I am not here to make war or flame, just posting personal experiences of the Tundra and other vehicles I have driven.
What does your remark..."I could have bought 3 limited Tundras with cash" mean? You only need one Tundra. Buy yourself 2 more silverados and you'll be hauling the third one to the wrecking yard while my Toyota is still going strong. Good luck with your plastic valve guides, growling tranny, malfunctioning computer and defective tow/haul. Most important...never, ever assume those malfuntioning silverado ABS systems will stop you...every time!
As a former Toyota salesman, the new model year comes out around August of the prior year. And since the Tundra is a first year model the changes for 2001 will be very minor.
I've owned 2 Ford trucks and 2 Toyota trucks in my life. Both have had their plus and their minuses. I currently own a Tundra which, by far has been my favorite. My last truck, 98 Tacoma was loud and powerless, not extremely satisfied, but I thought it looked nicer than the S10 and the Ranger. Before that, I owned a Ford Ranger which surprisingly ran much smoother than the Tacoma and much quieter. The only negative was that it was plagued with problems (Including replacing the transmission $2500) In my personal experiences I have found Toyota Trucks to be more reliable than Ford's: I know this claim might be very controversial, but my negative experiences with American made trucks speaks louder to me than the Chevy and Ford hotheads who convince everyone that "American is the only way to go". I've experienced both the Ranger and the Full size Ford. Still, Toyota, for me, has been a better and more reliable pick.
I too, truly believe that Toyotas on the whole are a more reliable product. I do not think they are leaps and bounds ahead of anybody else, I mean if they were why would anybody buy anything else. What kinda Tundra do you drive?
You had the Ranger and I had an S10, ran like a bat out of hell and only had one problem in the 70,000 miles that I owned it. So I certainly can't say anything bad about that one. I am hoping that the Toyota Reliability holds true and my Tundra will be as reliable and hopefully more so than my S10. I guess time will tell.
As far as right now. My Tundra is the best truck I have ever owned bar none. I have even gotten used to that stupid clock.
You have to admit it is making waves in the industry.
You also have to admit the commercial where they race the Tundra vs. a Lotus Esprit Turbo was hillarious. That is easily one the best truck commercials I have ever seen.
That commercial and the one for the S10 ZR2 where they are talking about Volvos, Lexuses or Lexi or whatever and BMW and they show all the cars tearing down a twisty road in the middle of what look like hilly pasteurs. They the very refined announcer comes on and says the Chevrolet S10 ZR2 and in jumps the road from one pasteur to another. Only saw it once but it cracked me up.
The Valentine is the best radar detector I've owned and worth the money. I have the cat-back exhaust from Borla and it's a nice exhaust with a great sound, and I have used Borlas on other Toyotas I've owned with good results. I also have a RMM air intake with a K&N filter and am waiting for TRD to release headers.
The non-Tundra people on this board: just curious, why do you post here? Are you so insecure you have to throw out insults and unsubstantiated claims, do you have inferiority complexes, do you put down people behind their backs to improve your self-esteem? And this patriotic "america has never lost a war" crap is as funny as it is ignorant, or let me guess, you were a Vietnam Vet and we refer to that conflict as an 'engagement' and not a War. Which VFW post do you tip your beer in? It's interesting that so many of you sound like Rube, probably related I suspect. Don't worry you won't have to 'engage' me intellectually, the discussions elsewhere are a class above these. BTW, I own four Harleys (have been riding since the 1970's) and am building a custom 69 Chevelle SS so I know that there are quality vehicles manufactured in this country. Use this board to exchange ideas, not mindless bantering!
In June of 99 I traded in my mazda B4000 for a black lightning, the truck was insane, very fast lots of looks, people asking about it at lights,I even let a cop drive it when a tree fell down on my street.I have one problem with my vehicles I am a fanatic I would park 3 miles away at the supermarket or mall,I bought a car cover and covered it every night because of my tenants cats jumping on it,I washed it every other day and used liquid glass on it every weekend.I was worrying so much about parking it at construction sites I was on, someone opening there doors and denting it, then when I scraped a rim $450 to replace I decided best to get rid of it. I do miss it but I really like the truck I have now plus I read in 2001 they will be bumping the HP to 450 with 500lbs tourqe probably do 0-60 in 5 seconds.The lightning now has 360HP with 440lbs tourque neck snapping power does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds,I may be in the showrooms again spring of 2001.
I feel for you. I am the same way with all my vehicles when I wash them. A wash and wax for me is a one or two day activity for me and my cars and trucks are like my kids. When I had my Dakota R/T I got the same responses at stop lights etc and felt I had to park in east hell to keep it safe. The tires on my R/T were going for $120 a pop and that was enough for me to get out of it. It was fun but it was a sports car plain and simple and I didn't like the tire cost and at times it was tiring to drive. I kinda like having the best of all worlds in a nice balance. I guess I want my vehicles to be a little bit like me in that I am not really an expert at many things if any but I am very good at a lot of things.
500 lb torque, I would be willing to bet you might even be able to squeeze the occasional sub 5 second run out of that. That is insane. Might as well carry an extra set of tires and a pit crew with you. Man I wish I could afford something like that just as my weekend toy. Ah dreams.
For all you Tundra people or mechanical masterminds, I posted this awhile back but no answer. Twice my Tundra has had a clicking sound that almost sounded like a turn signal was left on. It was clicking when I got into the truck and continued to do so for about 5 minutes after starting and driving it. It was very rythmic and very mechanical in nature. It only happend twice and it has been at least a month or two What the hell was that? It didn't effect anything noticeable, it was not the ABS initializing....Any ideas?
BTW: The ABS on the Tundra are worth the money they are some of the best I have ever used. They don't activate until you need them and then they do the job. The brakes and the headlights were my only complaints on my old S10. The brakes on my Tundra are far and above that S10 and I personally think they feel as good if not better then the all disc setup on the Silverados.
I recently talked to a TRD salesman who said they were designing a supercharger for the Tundra V8. Can you believe that?!! He said it was due to add an additional 40 horsepower, but on the two test vehicles they tested it on they blew both the engines. He said to keep in touch with TRD via TRDUSA.com and that more info would be coming our way on any breakthroughs. I don't know about you guys but I have real hard time keeping with the speed limit as is. Does anyone else know anything about this? Also, does anyone know about the TRD suspension that can be added to the Tundra? I heard it can only be installed on the 4X4, and I was stupid enough to settle for the 2X4 (I'm only 20 and the thought of spending over $30,000 scared me a little). But I was wondering if I could install that on my truck?? Ferris47, I have an SR5 V8 Tundra. I added leather and wood grain. The only thing I regret is that I didn't get power seats and a 4X4. And yes, the clock is very annoying!
I recently talked to a TRD salesman who said they were designing a supercharger for the Tundra V8. Can you believe that?!! He said it was due to add an additional 40 horsepower, but on the two test vehicles they tested it on they blew both the engines. He said to keep in touch with TRD via TRDUSA.com and that more info would be coming our way on any breakthroughs. I don't know about you guys but I have real hard time keeping with the speed limit as is. Does anyone else know anything about this? Also, does anyone know about the TRD suspension that can be added to the Tundra? I heard it can only be installed on the 4X4, and I was stupid enough to settle for the 2X4 (I'm only 20 and the thought of spending over $30,000 scared me a little). But I was wondering if I could install that on my truck?? Ferris47, I have an SR5 V8 Tundra. I added leather and wood grain. The only thing I regret is that I didn't get power seats and a 4X4. And yes, the clock is very annoying!
Motor Trend also adds... "this bold upstart has sent shockwaves through the industry" "the tundra blends the best people pampering attributes of a passenger car with the rough-and-ready capabilities of a true work truck" "the Tundra's roomy interior delights with the level of design, comfort, and fit and finish you'd expect in a top of the line Camry"
-->"Toyota has created a precedent-setting package that brilliantly integrates utility, creature comforts, and value with the firm's legendary reliability and toughness"
The Toyota Tundra might not be your favorite, you Chevy Lovers. It might not be considered by you to be full size. But the truth is............. For many of the most respected auto magazines, the Toyota Tundra is the most respected!
I don't agree or disagree with your post 201 since all that is preference and not really up for debate. One thing is definitely for sure though. If you let a magazine influence what you buy and don't find out for yourself, i.e. the true actual advantage of your trucks design, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you. Consumer Reports has always been import biased.
I think how big or small the Tundra seems depends on what truck you drove before looking at the Tundra. If you have owned a Tacoma, Ranger or S-10 the Tundra will seem large. If you have a F-150, Ram or Silverado the Tundra will seem small and cramped. I know the first week driving my Silverado it seemed very large - like driving an 18 wheeler. But after a few weeks it was no harder to drive than my old Nissan 4x4.
Motor Trend also adds... "this bold upstart has sent shockwaves through the industry" "the tundra blends the best people pampering attributes of a passenger car with the rough-and-ready capabilities of a true work truck" "the Tundra's roomy interior delights with the level of design, comfort, and fit and finish you'd expect in a top of the line Camry"
-->"Toyota has created a precedent-setting package that brilliantly integrates utility, creature comforts, and value with the firm's legendary reliability and toughness"
The Toyota Tundra might not be your favorite, you Chevy Lovers. It might not be considered by you to be full size. But the truth is............. For many of the most respected auto magazines, the Toyota Tundra is the most respected!
I've never driven a Tundra, so rather than derive a conclusion, I'll just provide some quotes an info. for discussion.
Source of article: Trailer Life, February 2000 Test vehicle: Tundra, 4.7L, 4 spd auto w/od,3.9 axle ratio, P265/70R16 tires, 4wd. Tow trailer: 25' Transport Tahoe, 6330 wet weight, 880 hitch weight.
The good:
"As pickups go, we liked most everything about the Tundra. We were pleasantly suprised tofind the extended cab had plenty of room for our gang of four on a 360 mile trek."
"The front seat area is quite roomy.....and can easily accommodate a driver well in excess of 6 feet."
"But we especially liked the power of the Tundra's 4.7L V-8. Combined with the four speed automatic transmission, this powertrain did not disappoint. And we pushedit hard. With the 6,300 pound Tahoe behind us, kissing the Tundra's 7,100 pound tow rating, we went from sea-level to 9,000 feet through desert heat in late summer and the Tundra never so much as hiccuped."
"....the Toyota pulled as well as any of its Big Three coutnerparts and yet, when not in tow, the Tundra was nimble and veritably attacked th winding mountain roads. It handled and responded akin to a smaller version of its actual self. The steering was tight, the ride was distinctly not like any truck we've driven lately, and, pushed to its limits, the Tundra accelerates 0 to 60 mph in a rapid 8.1 seconds. It seems the Tundra is more than able to take on its intended half-ton-rated coutnerparts in the U.S. light-truck market."
The not-so-good:
"The aft doors can only be opened when the front doors are also open. Coupled with the somewhat limited legroom in the backseat, it's apparent Toyota is intending this rear passenger space mostly for kids."
"Perhaps our one disappointment with the Tundra was the 6.9 mpg we got while towing the Transport. And to add further chagrin, the 25-gallon fuel tank provided only limited range.....Running solo, the Tundra achieved a more-respectable 19 mpg on the open road, and about 15 mpg around town."
Closing quote:
"This Toytoa Tundra emits a 'Let's get REEEADY to RUUUUMBLE personality!"
Hey Bobby Joe (rubluetoo for those of you new to this board), where've been. Your Chevy leave you stranded in the mountains again and you had to walk home? (I give you grief, but you know that you're okay with me).
Since we're talking about wheelbase, I guess you think that the F-150, Silverado, and Sierra short bed aren't full sized trucks. Their wheel base is around 117. I guess that makes them Tacoma sized. Not shutting you down. Just giving them facts. You order a short bed, regular cab from those B3's and you get a mini truck. You order a regular cab Tundra, you still get +120 wheelbase.
Has anyone an opinion on getting a Tundra with the base V6 engine? I'm considering this to just get the larger size of the Tundra over the Tacoma. Need the extra space of the Access Cab but do not want the size of the Big 3 units.
I think a 2WD V6 would do good. The V-6 still has 190 hp. That's not too shabby. It also gets slightly better gas mileage and has 2 less spark plugs to change. The V-6 in the Tacoma is a very impressive powerplant. A regular cab 2WD Tundra with the V6 is ideal.
Thanks for the info on the Borla exhaust. Did you get the Dual system? Is it significantly louder than stock? About how much did it cost and did you install it yourself? If so, was it easy to install? And finally, did you notice any increase in horsepower? Sorry to run on.
Chevy, "Like a Rock" it falls to the bottom! I read something about Bobby Joe, is Rub-it-blue back?
Toyota's TRD website has a supercharger that works with the 3.4 V-6 engine. Warrantied for the duration of what remains on the original engine warranty (if installed by a toyota dealer). I believe 24% increase in torque and 40% increase in HP (or vice versa). Sounds like a screamer. Look at the consumer reports reliability on the T-100 v-6. I suspect it's the same engine in the Tundra. I doesn't look up to normal toyota reliability standards. Something worth checking into!!
The only problem the Toyota V6 had was a voluntary head gasket campaign. Toyota replaces the head gaskets free of charge, without any screaming, kicking or biting as is necessary with some other makes. I was told some were mistorqued during assembly. I frequently drove to Lake Meade, 350 miles each way, with a T100 4x4 with a V6 towing a 4700 lb. boat through 130 degree heat and 7% grades with no, problems ever. Never heated up or had to turn off the AC on the grades either. Talk about a torture test!
In one post you advocate buying American and proceed to bash Americans who live in the heartland.
have you every toured a Toyota factory? I have. you have never seen a happier bunch of blue collar workers. They work in a clean, well lighted facility. They have daily sessions on improving their work area. They are rotated around the factory to learn new skills and avoid tedium. Each one can stop an assembly line and are encouraged to do so. There are frequent team building programs. They can make money for suggestions that are sued to improve the line or the product.
I was stunned at how clean the facility was and how happy everybody looked. Even when I looked across the shop floor to people who had no idea they were being watched, you saw a series of smiles. These line workers obviously loved their jobs.
By the way, your claim of 1/3 was wrong even according to your figures. They are paid 1/3 less then what you claim union wage is. In a choice between going to a shop that I liked to be in, in a state with low cost of living and having a say in my work environment, I would choose the later.
Facts are stubborn things;whatever may be our wishes our inclanations ,or the dictates of our passions,they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
There are some pretty good responses as to the union issues,But let me ask you a question do you think if giving the chance the workers would not want more money and a collective bargaining agreement,or better yet would if I went in to your place of employment and offered to take your job at 1/3 less than you how would you feel.What would you do? Would you like me or dislike me?
I now have 9108 miles on my 4X4 Access Cab V-8 and have had an average of 17.17mpg for this mileage. Have just had my second oil change,filter etc and tire rotation. Received my Tundra on May 26 so it was among the first batch built. During these eight months,I have had no problems whatever. Have used the truck for trips from Prescott,Az to Denver, Co. and San Diego, Ca. This is the most comfortable vehicle I have ever driven. I had Ford 150's for 17 years, both 2WD and 4X4. The Tundra, in my opinion far out classes the 150's. As has been said by others, to each his own on what he buys and as long as he is happy and satisfied with his purchase, more power to him.
If you need help with anything else let me know...
1. Don't care-Derrivative of the 4.0L that's been flawless in the LS 400 since 1990. Also refer to answer #5. 2. Split port/plenum induction. Impressive HP/torque figures for a 4.7L don't you think!!! 3. It's a half ton, what do you think???? 4. Nope. Does your chevy have seat belt pretensioners and force limiters. Me, I'm more important than the truck. 5. Don't care. Since I'm not a grease monkey, I don't plan on tearing into my engine. I'm rich enough to pay someone else to do it. Better yet, I'm smart enough to buy a vehicle that it's very unlikely I'll need to pay someone else to do it!!!
1.) My Limited Tundra has a Class IV Toyota hitch from the factory. 2) My Tundra is bigger than the T100. And my T100 had a better backseat than the F150 and 1500. I drove all of them before I bought. 3) Explain what this "doo-dad" is, if you're intelligent enough. 4) You wouldn't know a fact if it fell off your Chevy and hit you in the head. 5) I believe my friend took pictures of his Z71 being dragged onto a flatbed in the middle of the desert. I'll see if I can borrow it and post it. If not I'll take pics the next trip. (His ALWAYS breaks, even though he tows 2500 lbs. less than me.) Last time the alternator caught on fire. If not, there are always plenty of Big 3 heat victims by the side of the road. 6) If you'll notice all the complaints on the Tundra are minor. That's because the truck is so smooth and quiet you can hear the proverbial pin drop inside a Tundra. 7) Good luck on those recalled brakes, cheesy rubber band valve seals, failing valve guides, leaky racks, engines, transmissions, rearends, multiple trans replacements, squeaks, rattle and water leaks, inner door handles that pull loose etc. I know. I've owned 12 Chevys and will never own another unless it's a pre '69. On my last Z28 the rear blew up, the radiator failed, the inner door panel split from using the power windows and the frame crossmember cracked. Oh, I forgot Chevys need valve jobs every 60,000 miles. I pulled my heads, sent them off and wouldn't you know it, a valve guide failed again at 70,000 miles. Then I sold it, hopefully to one of your relatives.
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All Weather Guard Package
Prem Sound w/6 CD Changer
Leather Captain's Chairs(Power)
Security System(Door Locks)
Spare Tire Locks
Carpet Floor Mat
I received it on Nov. 13, 1999. The total drive out price including 8.25% sales tax in Calif. and over $500 Auto Lic. was $28,158. Within three weeks after after I received the truck, I added the following at total cost of $2,846:
Toyota Class IV Hitch and related wire harness
Toyota Hood Protector(Bug Shield)
SNUGTop EXPO cab high shell
BedRug
Toyota Front and Rear Sport Mats
To date we have taken trips to Palm Springs, Death Valley and Grand Canyon/Sedona. The truck runs great and I have not experience and problems at all, except it's very difficult to keep the truck under the speed limit on these trips. Does anyone know of a very good radar detector?
For those of you who have provided valuable technical and/or practical information, thank you.
For those of you who have not, ........!
Unless Toyota gets itself into another joint factory agreement with GM, don't look for the Tundra to get the union seal of approval any time soon.
BTW, I am glad to see that USA Today is the source for the pay statistics that started this thread. I though somebody would have real figures.
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This is a sad sad bunch.
Not only are you immature, your smokin crack too.
I drove the Tundra. Could have bought three loaded Limiteds with cash had I wanted to. The Tundra just plain didn't impress me at all.
Maybe someday they will build a truck that is impressive enough to sell as many as the big three. 1/15th the sales of the domestics tells the real story.
I will go to the Silverado topics, but first I must stop off at the topics of Tundra vibrations, long turnover starting, high dollar fuel bills from having to run premium unleaded gas, and the latest, but not the last......rear cab doors that whistle and pop open on children riding in the rear cab.
Yeah, I will be sure and be quick about buying one those "superior" Tundra's.
BTW, I'd like to hear from anybody with the Borla Catback system on their Tundra.
topics of Tundra vibrations,
long turnover starting, - every tundra i have ver heard of starts - comments?
high dollar fuel bills from - buy a chevy - price difference pays my fuel for as long as the chevy will last!
having to run premium unleaded gas - tundra runs on regular 87 - best, by the way, anything more expensive is reserved for your union made pieces of crap that dont even start without thw walmart additives that you have to add in the fuel to make sure you get to work and your union meeitng - go UAW! need a jump, how about working for a change?
, and the
latest, but not the last......rear cab doors that
whistle and pop open on children riding in the rear
cab. - my kids are safer in the tundra than climbing in the back of a silverado wihout a seatbelt like a proper redneck.
rubuetoo - stay in your MF - by the way,do you want to race - i figure with K & N and flowmaster i can almost beat you to feeding time - how about it big boy??? I HAVE MORE POWER and comfort - but ni want to rub it in - I HAVE THE FASTEST FULLSIZE TRUCK IN THE WORLD!!! Want to try the Massey Ferguson newsgroup you non truck owning/aspiring dipshit?!?!?! 0-60 = alot faster than you, ever....(oh, well, i hope you never buy a truck because youare a true dipshit! - good luck on that massey ferguson now...dipshit.
Sure glad that Tundra can race. Lets strap 8k pounds to it's [non-permissible content removed] end and see how fast it is compared to ANY of the big three trucks!
I am through being nice here. War has begun! Posts like Blotto's are the typical idiocracy going on in the Tundra war rooms. War is something the military trained American's well for. We have plenty of ammunition and the Americans have never lost a war in its history. We made Japan beg for mercy once before, we could do it again too!
DOHC engines. Well basically the market as a whole is moving towards trucks in droves. People who would have never bought a truck in the past are now. These people don't need trucks to pull 12,000 lbs of horse trailer, they want a good well rounded personal vehicle that can do all the things there car can and more. DOHC engines offer a smoother more refined experience that the buyer wants. The drawback, as far as trucks are concerened is they tend to make their power at a higher RPM then a pushrod engine. This is not great for yanking that redwood stump out of the ground. They do however excel at driving on the highway and tend to provide superiour acceleration above 2500 RPM. Again I am generalizing all DOHC engines but speaking about my Tundra specifically.
IMO, the Tundra was specifically designed by Toyota for those people that want a truck but don't want it to act like a truck unless it has to. They managed to make a truck that is truly as drivable as a car, a very nice car and also one that has enough low end grunt to tow 6K relatively easily. This is what many people want. They want their cake and they want to eat it too.
I think all the manufacturers are trying this with their half ton trucks. Look at the Silverado LT., or the Ford 150 Lariat and Dodges SLT trim. All these trucks offer leather, good rides etc. These are the trucks being marketed to the people who probably don't use a truck for work every day or even once a month. They want a car 85% of the time. When they need a truck they want it to do the job. I agree that in a true "Truck" application, where hard work every day and durability are concerned that DOHC is not the way to go. But I also don't think a half ton is the way to go either.
I love my Tundra because it gives me the best balance of anything on the market. Low end power is plenty for any work I might do and even enough for work I will never do. On the highway and on the back road twisties the DOHC engine and suspension work together flawlessy to give me almost sportscar like fun. The back seat although small is bigger then a lot of cars and does the job of hauling groceries fine and when it comes time for me to fill the bed up with gravel for a driveway, she will do that too without breaking a sweat. The best of all worlds is what I want and what I believe I have.
Can't we all just get along? Sorry had to say that. All Toyota people are not superiority complex or immature children nor are all the domestic people. Problem is there is enough of them on both sides to piss everybody off. Just ignore the idiots and post to the people who will give you intelligent feedback. It is pretty easy to ignore what you want to on a message board since most of you are probably hundreds if not thousands of miles away.
Hey Barlitz, this would be chapters 11-16 of the gospel according to Ferris. Not flaming, just screwing around with ya. And yes the Lightning is currently the fastest full size production truck. I think the Silverado SS concept was faster but it will probably never be produced.
You had the Ranger and I had an S10, ran like a bat out of hell and only had one problem in the 70,000 miles that I owned it. So I certainly can't say anything bad about that one. I am hoping that the Toyota Reliability holds true and my Tundra will be as reliable and hopefully more so than my S10. I guess time will tell.
As far as right now. My Tundra is the best truck I have ever owned bar none. I have even gotten used to that stupid clock.
You also have to admit the commercial where they race the Tundra vs. a Lotus Esprit Turbo was hillarious. That is easily one the best truck commercials I have ever seen.
That commercial and the one for the S10 ZR2 where they are talking about Volvos, Lexuses or Lexi or whatever and BMW and they show all the cars tearing down a twisty road in the middle of what look like hilly pasteurs. They the very refined announcer comes on and says the Chevrolet S10 ZR2 and in jumps the road from one pasteur to another. Only saw it once but it cracked me up.
Get over it!
The non-Tundra people on this board: just curious, why do you post here? Are you so insecure you have to throw out insults and unsubstantiated claims, do you have inferiority complexes, do you put down people behind their backs to improve your self-esteem? And this patriotic "america has never lost a war" crap is as funny as it is ignorant, or let me guess, you were a Vietnam Vet and we refer to that conflict as an 'engagement' and not a War. Which VFW post do you tip your beer in? It's interesting that so many of you sound like Rube, probably related I suspect. Don't worry you won't have to 'engage' me intellectually, the discussions elsewhere are a class above these. BTW, I own four Harleys (have been riding since the 1970's) and am building a custom 69 Chevelle SS so I know that there are quality vehicles manufactured in this country. Use this board to exchange ideas, not mindless bantering!
500 lb torque, I would be willing to bet you might even be able to squeeze the occasional sub 5 second run out of that. That is insane. Might as well carry an extra set of tires and a pit crew with you. Man I wish I could afford something like that just as my weekend toy. Ah dreams.
For all you Tundra people or mechanical masterminds, I posted this awhile back but no answer. Twice my Tundra has had a clicking sound that almost sounded like a turn signal was left on. It was clicking when I got into the truck and continued to do so for about 5 minutes after starting and driving it. It was very rythmic and very mechanical in nature. It only happend twice and it has been at least a month or two What the hell was that? It didn't effect anything noticeable, it was not the ABS initializing....Any ideas?
BTW: The ABS on the Tundra are worth the money they are some of the best I have ever used. They don't activate until you need them and then they do the job. The brakes and the headlights were my only complaints on my old S10. The brakes on my Tundra are far and above that S10 and I personally think they feel as good if not better then the all disc setup on the Silverados.
Also, does anyone know about the TRD suspension that can be added to the Tundra? I heard it can only be installed on the 4X4, and I was stupid enough to settle for the 2X4 (I'm only 20 and the thought of spending over $30,000 scared me a little). But I was wondering if I could install that on my truck??
Ferris47, I have an SR5 V8 Tundra. I added leather and wood grain. The only thing I regret is that I didn't get power seats and a 4X4. And yes, the clock is very annoying!
Also, does anyone know about the TRD suspension that can be added to the Tundra? I heard it can only be installed on the 4X4, and I was stupid enough to settle for the 2X4 (I'm only 20 and the thought of spending over $30,000 scared me a little). But I was wondering if I could install that on my truck??
Ferris47, I have an SR5 V8 Tundra. I added leather and wood grain. The only thing I regret is that I didn't get power seats and a 4X4. And yes, the clock is very annoying!
Motor Trend 2000 Truck of the Year->Toyota Tundra
Motor Trend also adds...
"this bold upstart has sent shockwaves through the industry"
"the tundra blends the best people pampering attributes of a passenger car with the rough-and-ready capabilities of a true work truck"
"the Tundra's roomy interior delights with the level of design, comfort, and fit and finish you'd expect in a top of the line Camry"
-->"Toyota has created a precedent-setting package that brilliantly integrates utility, creature comforts, and value with the firm's legendary reliability and toughness"
The Toyota Tundra might not be your favorite, you Chevy Lovers. It might not be considered by you to be full size. But the truth is............. For many of the most respected auto magazines, the Toyota Tundra is the most respected!
Please delete me from this discussion group.
Thank you,
ARJ
Motor Trend 2000 Truck of the Year->Toyota Tundra
Motor Trend also adds...
"this bold upstart has sent shockwaves through the industry"
"the tundra blends the best people pampering attributes of a passenger car with the rough-and-ready capabilities of a true work truck"
"the Tundra's roomy interior delights with the level of design, comfort, and fit and finish you'd expect in a top of the line Camry"
-->"Toyota has created a precedent-setting package that brilliantly integrates utility, creature comforts, and value with the firm's legendary reliability and toughness"
The Toyota Tundra might not be your favorite, you Chevy Lovers. It might not be considered by you to be full size. But the truth is............. For many of the most respected auto magazines, the Toyota Tundra is the most respected!
Source of article: Trailer Life, February 2000
Test vehicle: Tundra, 4.7L, 4 spd auto w/od,3.9 axle ratio, P265/70R16 tires, 4wd.
Tow trailer: 25' Transport Tahoe, 6330 wet weight, 880 hitch weight.
The good:
"As pickups go, we liked most everything about the Tundra. We were pleasantly suprised tofind the extended cab had plenty of room for our gang of four on a 360 mile trek."
"The front seat area is quite roomy.....and can easily accommodate a driver well in excess of 6 feet."
"But we especially liked the power of the Tundra's 4.7L V-8. Combined with the four speed automatic transmission, this powertrain did not disappoint. And we pushedit hard. With the 6,300 pound Tahoe behind us, kissing the Tundra's 7,100 pound tow rating, we went from sea-level to 9,000 feet through desert heat in late summer and the Tundra never so much as hiccuped."
"....the Toyota pulled as well as any of its Big Three coutnerparts and yet, when not in tow, the Tundra was nimble and veritably attacked th winding mountain roads. It handled and responded akin to a smaller version of its actual self. The steering was tight, the ride was distinctly not like any truck we've driven lately, and, pushed to its limits, the Tundra accelerates 0 to 60 mph in a rapid 8.1 seconds. It seems the Tundra is more than able to take on its intended half-ton-rated coutnerparts in the U.S. light-truck market."
The not-so-good:
"The aft doors can only be opened when the front doors are also open. Coupled with the somewhat limited legroom in the backseat, it's apparent Toyota is intending this rear passenger space mostly for kids."
"Perhaps our one disappointment with the Tundra was the 6.9 mpg we got while towing the Transport. And to add further chagrin, the 25-gallon fuel tank provided only limited range.....Running solo, the Tundra achieved a more-respectable 19 mpg on the open road, and about 15 mpg around town."
Closing quote:
"This Toytoa Tundra emits a 'Let's get REEEADY to RUUUUMBLE personality!"
Since we're talking about wheelbase, I guess you think that the F-150, Silverado, and Sierra short bed aren't full sized trucks. Their wheel base is around 117. I guess that makes them Tacoma sized. Not shutting you down. Just giving them facts. You order a short bed, regular cab from those B3's and you get a mini truck. You order a regular cab Tundra, you still get +120 wheelbase.
Good luck with that one now.
Comments?
Chevy, "Like a Rock" it falls to the bottom! I read something about Bobby Joe, is Rub-it-blue back?
have you every toured a Toyota factory? I have. you have never seen a happier bunch of blue collar workers. They work in a clean, well lighted facility. They have daily sessions on improving their work area. They are rotated around the factory to learn new skills and avoid tedium. Each one can stop an assembly line and are encouraged to do so. There are frequent team building programs. They can make money for suggestions that are sued to improve the line or the product.
I was stunned at how clean the facility was and how happy everybody looked. Even when I looked across the shop floor to people who had no idea they were being watched, you saw a series of smiles. These line workers obviously loved their jobs.
By the way, your claim of 1/3 was wrong even according to your figures. They are paid 1/3 less then what you claim union wage is. In a choice between going to a shop that I liked to be in, in a state with low cost of living and having a say in my work environment, I would choose the later.
You'd probably take more pride in your job too!
1. How many main bearing caps does the Tundra 4.7 have?
2. What kind of fuel delivery does the Tundra utilize?
3. Does the Tundra have a floating axle?
4. Does the Tundra have a fail safe cooling system?
5. What is the cost of a brand new engine replacement for the Tundra? Rebuild cost?
Thanks for the info.
1. Don't care-Derrivative of the 4.0L that's been flawless in the LS 400 since 1990. Also refer to answer #5.
2. Split port/plenum induction. Impressive HP/torque figures for a 4.7L don't you think!!!
3. It's a half ton, what do you think????
4. Nope. Does your chevy have seat belt pretensioners and force limiters. Me, I'm more important than the truck.
5. Don't care. Since I'm not a grease monkey, I don't plan on tearing into my engine. I'm rich enough to pay someone else to do it. Better yet, I'm smart enough to buy a vehicle that it's very unlikely I'll need to pay someone else to do it!!!
Thanks anyway.