Chevy Silverado - Continued VI

rbrick

Ryan,
Who are you dealing with to swap tires? I ended up ordering my truck with the 265 bllackwall tires because the order would not be accepted with the white letters. I asked the dealer to swap and he said the service department didn't stock the tires. They get 'em form the local tire shop when they need them. I called another tire shop and the guy offered me $25 a tire for the blackwalls. I basically told him to kiss my #$%!

So, with the passlock system there is a chip in the key? So, would the module for a remote starter totally by-pass the passlock? Can you use the starter remote for the GM power doorlocks or does something have to change there too? I like the convenience that the remote starter offers, but not sure about the disadvantages.

I, too, have been looking at the spray-in liners. The Rhino seems somewhat "rubbery" and would hold cargo in place. The Line-X seems rather hard and even though it has a nice tecture, cargo may move around more. I have a friend that has the Rhino in his '99 ext cab sportside and he loves it. Ane with both liners they can be patched if damaged, but the color probably wouldn't match becoause of the fading.
Does anyone have a Pendaliner SR or the Chevrolet drop-in liner? They have material blended in to help hold cargo in place and prevent the liner from moving around and scuffing up the bed. Haven't seen one up close yet. There is a nice article on bed-liners at
www.trucktrend.com

Rob

ryanbab

The salesman i am going to buy from is great. I researched YEA BLUE RESEARCHED found a few goodyear tire dealers in the area and sent him a letter with the phone numbers he called one right down the street and they will do it. It will cost me $230 though (they will give me credit on the firestones dont know how much exactly). The guy my dad got our blazer from told me they cant and wont switch them they can kinda but ill get $0 so thats why i probably wont buy a truck from him because of the tires cant be changed and the bedliner was $150 more.

Rob what i did was go to goodyear.com search dealers in the area of the dealership and gave him a list he did the rest you might wanna try this call yourself if you have to.

See research does pay off.

Ryan

ryanbab

They now have a solution like armor all to give it a shiny finish i guess. I heard about it from a dealer. Its used specifically for spray in liners

Ryan

quadrunner500

I have the Chevrolet drop-in liner, but I'm not sure if it has the non-scratching finish or not. I do know it's perfect for the kind of cargo I usually throw in there, some anti-skid properties, but not as skid proof as the polyurethane coatings. I want things to slide a bit when I load it, so I can slide them in towards the back.

Underneath the liner, at this point in time, after one year, things look good, but I do swab a mop from time to time.

scoon8

Anyone interested in Line-X: check out the over the rail application. It's very sharp & clean when done well & it won't interfere with any accesory application either. Had Line-X for last 16K & absolutely no complaints here.

rwagoner

The Silverados do not use the resister-in-key Passlock system. It uses the "the key must fit correctly in the ignition" passlock. Don't know if it matters for the remote starters.

mgdvhman

I have a Duraliner..(a Chevy liner is a Duraliner)

It has the grit like stuff blended into the bed liner. It's not scratchy...but it does hold items in place real well. I was actually impressed. My first reaction was less then enthused...but it proved itself.
Spray ins are hot these days...but they offer very little real world protection from a shovel or dents. When a spray in is dented...the metal underneith dents...causing the liner to no longer fit the bed exactly...and that piece may chip off or crack.
I've had drop ins put after some time...and yeah thay rub some paint off...but there is no dent. Take it out every now and then and touch it up if you choose...I never did though.

Good luck

- Tim

alwysl8

Well won't be getting my truck after all. When my dealer placed the order, he did not order the vehicle as a GMO order. When the invoice came in with the truck it showed standard pricing. When he called to inquire about a GMO price, he was told no can do. If it is not ordered specifically as GMO they can't sell it as GMO. Never put any money down and we never did fill out any paper so all I had was goodwill, which I am out of. The dealer was more that happy to sell it to me for GMS and being the good guy that he is, would split the difference with me for his mistake. You can guess what my response to him was. Could be for the better. Using edmund.com we are going to lease a Subaru Outback at $100.00 over dealer invoice. I will now just sit back and wait for the Avalanche. Saw it at the Detroit Auto Show and really liked it. Must have been meant to be. My wife is livid though. Now she has to listen to another year of "I can't wait for my Avalanche." So close but yet so far.

planejane

Seems like the site "drafter" posted has lots of great info on them.

Thanks!

http://www.pacific-audio.com/cgi-bin/AT-pacificsearch.cgi

planejane

www.viper.com

nice site!

mgdvhman

what dealer did this to you?

- Tim

bluebeast

installed headers on the 5.3L yet? I am leaning towards JBA's. Any thoughts, words of wisdom?

alwysl8

It is a dealer in Appleton, WI called Bergstrom's

mgdvhman

I thought since you went to Detroit auto show...maybe a dealer in michigan....where I am..

just curious..

- Tim

mckeownsc

If I put 265's on my 99 LS 5.3l ext cab with 245's on there now, is there a fix or update to change the computer so the speedometer and gas mileage are correct??????

hogboy

Rob, I have a Pendaliner SR in my 2000 Silverado. If you go with 1 of those wait for the redesign. The 4 holes for the tie downs in the present liners do not have plastic plugs(if you're going to haul mulch, sand, stone, etc.) I called Penda. The gal in customer service said the new ones will have the plastic plugs. What they have out now will NOT take the plugs. She told me to hold off on buying 1. I told her too late & that was great customer service that the liners they sell now won't accept the plugs. Good ol' duct tape to the rescue. For bulk hauling I can also highly recommend the Loadhandler. They work terrific. Crank out your load with a bedliner in about 30 seconds. It works great for sand, mulch, firewood etc etc. Quadrunner is right about the Chevy liners being the Duraliner. My neighbor just got 1. They came with the plastic plugs.

ps12

Hey Alwys,

You will love the Subaru. All the advantages of All-Trac but with front wheel drive. We got 20 inches of snow here in NC with little snow removal equipment. I've got a '95 Subaru Legacy L wagon which I bought new and it's been bullet proof. Though somewhat under powered and of course it's not a truck.

I mention to one of my co-workers I was missing my K-1500 due to the low ground clearance of the Subaru. He told me his Explorer got snow up in the motor and stalled out. He had to pull it home with his "big truck" and it's still not running right.

So far my Subaru either pushes through or rides up and over, no problem but like I said, It's not a truck.

Phil

alwysl8

Thanks ps12
We were going to replace another leased vehicle in July with the Subaru and get the truck now. I will just reverse the order. I am going to get the Subaru now and get the Avalanche when it comes out next year. After seeing it I really wanted the Avalance anyway.

afs11

Has anyone considered the GM bedliner? Are there better bedliners out there? I was told that the GM bedliner is made by Pendliner?

I'm think about ordering the GM fibreglass stepboards (p/n #10953584 extented cab). I would like to hear from someone who has this item. Is this item worth buying?

Thank you,
AFS

ryanbab

i got my gm supplier deal papers. Now all i have to do is wait a few wks and hopefully itll be getting built soon after that. YEAAAAAAAA its all downhill now (good thing)

Ryan

rayt2

Your not getting pumped up already are ya? Remember one thing about that last statement at the bottom of the hill is a deep abyss that looses orders or puts them on hold! L.O.L. Just messin with ya! Good Luck but I'm sure we'll be hering more from you as it gets closer to order time.
It's my turn next but I have to be patient & wait until the 2/7 date before I get to excited. I will admit that I do pull out the brochure every now & then to go thru what I'm hopefully going to recieve, & stop at the local dealers to torment them as they try to sell me a truck off the lot, sorry man, just shoppin! L.O.L.

Ray T.

obyone

I had installed the JBA headers about a month after I got my '00 LS 5.3. After reading all the mags I had chosen the JBA's over Edlebrock, Borla,etc. based on reputation and ease of installation. I had also ordered my Gibson catback at the same time. We installed the JBA headers first. Took about 45 minutes. Started truck and took for a fast spin. No major change in seat of the pants performance. Installed Gibson catback which took about one hour due to bad fitting s/s tip. If it wasn't for the tip it would have taken about 30 minutes. Started truck up again and took it for another spin. Truck sounds better and seemed to want to rev. Also noticed loss of low end torque. I had installed the airaid the day before which didn't seem to help much. Finally picked up a Granatelli MAF to replace stock. It made the biggest seat of the pants difference. Hope this helps.

ryanbab

I have till Sept 30,2000 it has to be on the lot by that day and ill be happy. If i dont get it till august or sept oh well longer for me to save up $$$ i just want it ordered. If it happens to come in early its gonna sit on the lot for a little while.

Ryan

werking

like i said before...ordering grants you only a couple days reprieve. then, like ray said, you pull out the brochure every couple days to say...damn, i done good. but the longer you wait for the build, it seems it's even worse than when you were waiting to order. but then it comes, runs like you knew it would and you be happier than a pig in slop...

all - westin makes what they call a platinum, chrome plated stainless steel nerf bar with life-time warranty against rust on the whole thing. no drilling installation. i checked on the ones for the '00 silverado 4 door - best price i got locally was $350. yep, that's what i'm gettin. bedliner can wait till i scuff the bed up some...then i'll spray it in...

kyle

werking

check out those nerf bars at
www.westinautomotive.com

kyle

mdw1000

where did that name originate anyway, nerf bars? Oh well, just wanted to let you guys know that I have BackCountry nerf bars that I got from my local Rhino liner place, and they work really well. The guy there said someone in his family had them on a truck he took off road a lot, and never had any problems with them. I got the black ones, thought they went better with my gold truck.

ryanbab

Black nerf bars--- Can u keep me updated the next few months please on how they hold up thank you i am planning on getting black to complement the black flares (haha)

RYan

ryanbab

Heres a website about delays and when 2000 production and orders stop

http://www.wheels.com/reference/referenceFrame.htm

Ryan

bluebeast

Did the JBA's hook right up with no cutting? Just unbolt/bolt? Do you think the reason that the seat of the pants feel was not that much because the computer had not adjusted yet to the smoothness/increased air flow? Did you disconnect the battery to reset the computer or is that not what you do anymore? What was the part # for the Granatelli?

majormorgy

FYI. just got an email from dealer. they're building my truck the week of 2/28. it was ordered week before xmas. he said the final date to make changes is 1/28. Big news. They're no longer making 3 doors. Only 4 doors, so the cost is up another $300.00
anyway. there's alot of good info being posted here. thanks.

2000ryan

i ordered my truck the week before Christmas too, just wandering what you ordered? 1500 or 2500? I haven't gotten any order numbers or anything yet. patiently waiting! thanks!
RJM

obyone

We had disconnected the battery when installing each item to reset computer plus the instructions from Granatelli and JBA says to disconnect battery prior to replacing unit. The part no. is 350115 for the Granatelli. If you compare the stock MAF with the Granatelli, there is a substantial difference in terms of airflow. Unlike the silverado's, the Granatelli has no screens to restrict airflow.

As far as the headers and airaid, I believe that the stock Silverado 55 gallon drum of a muffler restricts any type of airflow from exiting resulting no noticable difference in performance. Perhaps I should had installed the Gibson's first then the JBA.

The instructions that came with the JBA headers said to disconnect battery first, then disconnect steering shaft to allow additional room for headers to fit on drivers side. My friend and I did not want to fuss with the shaft as I believe the airbag sensor is located nearby. What we did was to remove the old exhaust manifold by dropping it straight down and towards the rear of the truck. The headers went in exactly the opposite way without having to remove the steering shaft. Passenger side took about 15 minutes with no problems. JBA's bolt right in with no cutting or welding and comes with replacement bolts and gaskets. When we first tried to start it the truck would crank but not start. Finally started on third try. No problems on startup with Granatelli or Gibson.

If you are thinking of doing this yourself, having the truck up on a rack made a world of difference especially when working on the Gibson and JBA headers. The time to complete could easily have doubled if not for the rack.

Sorry 'bout the long post.

clarkmcbrayer

I ordered my 1500 ext cab w/4th door on October 29, 1999. My build date was week of January 17. Hoping to get it in about 2 weeks.

About bed liners,,,, have you thought about a spray in. If you put a bed liner in and a rubber mat to keep things from sliding around, it will cost you about $225-$250. I can get a spray in for $315. Sound worth it to me.

m1685

What is this Granatelli MAF?

rwagoner

Spray-in bedliners offer absolutely no protection from dents. That rules them out for me.

Richard

obyone

go to the following link to learn more about the Granatelli MAF and what it can do for you. It basically increases airflow and improves control on ignition and injector timing. It also works with superchargers.

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/airflow.html

m1685

Thanks for the info. The only thing is that for $420 it better be a lot of improvement. I have dual exhaust, no headers, and plan to put a k&N on it with a cooler thermostat because I did lose a little low end power. Maybe the K&N will help me out enough. I spent enough on the dual job for now.

mgdvhman

A Chevy Liner is a Duraliner..(At least the ones here are)

and yeah...I know what you mean about those holes being open for tie downs....kinda dumb.

The duraliner I got has Rubber plugs to cover good size holes that give access to the tie downs. Worked good.

Spray ins look good....but too disco for me. Why get a liner for $500 or more that can't even protect?

- Tim

obyone

$420 is msrp. I believe Stillen has it for $319 and www.coolwheels.com for $329 with free shipping. I wouldn't have paid $420 either.

gwyatt1

I am new to townhall talk. There are some interesting topics and good info on here. I did by the way call GM customer service yesterday concerning the Loyalty coupon for $500, and she said you have to currently own Chevy and they will get your address and mail it to the dealership your buying your new truck from. She said that it is a incentive good until the 27th of February, which means you have to take delivery of your new truck by that date, so gotta
move fast.

I am from Colorado Springs and was wondering if anyone on here has ordered a truck from any of the three Chevy dealerships here. And if so what they paid. The lowest I have gotten is 2% over invoice and he said he would work with me on the advertising as I told him, he would actually owe me money for advertising because his dealership name would be on the back of my truck, ha ha! Pretty swift huh! ha Anyway if anyone has ordered one please send me a quick note on how it worked out and if you don't mind what you ended up paying after everything was said and done. I haven't spoke with anyone yet who have saved any money on the 3% holdback they get to reep!??!??!

Gary

ryanbab

A spray in bedliner for me will protect from rust. It will stop moisture and water from getting under a drop in liner. They do dent and have seen this first hand. But i do not plan on throwing in 500 lb bricks to dent the bed. Drop in liners are great if you have a cap or cover for the bed. I guess its all what a person prefers.

Ryan

clarkmcbrayer

I agree. It depends on how you take care of it. If you are going to throw boulders, wood, or bricks in the truck, why but a new one anyway.

ryanbab

Buy a new one and keep the old one for routine stops at your local lumber yard. Keep the new one for show.

Ryan

scottay

What is the thicknness? My dealer has a pamphlet holder made of the urethane material that is about 5/16th thick. He says that is the sprayon thickness. If thats true it will give a degree of dent protection.

BTW, anyone got a number to complain about a dealer to GMC?

-scott

quadrunner500

I'm in Denver. You might try a quote from the Chevy/GMC dealership in Salida. I forget the name. Otherwise, 2% over invoice is about right in this area.

May I suggest you calculate the 2% over invoice price, and then negotiate downward to this amount from MSRP. By negotiating a fair price from the top down, rather than from the bottom up, you avoid the advertising fee, which is attached to the dealer invoice, but not the MSRP sticker.

mgdvhman

for trips to the lumber yard?

I guess if you are afraid to put wood in your spray in liner....That kinda says it all for the durability.

I know a lot of people like them....( I even think they are cool)..but they are not for any abuse what so ever....period.

I'm not talking "Joe Construction worker " hard....even the most common home owner job and they fail.

It doesn't take much to dent these days...a drop in will take the shock...a spray in will transfer the dent through the coating..dent the metal..but retain it's shape...now it doesn't fit right and that spot will become weak and flake out or chip.

Even just normal Joe use and a spray in will fail. If you only haul a box once in a while...I guess it's OK.....But why Pay$500 or more for hauling a cardboard box capabilities?

Bro in law paid almost $600 for a Ram 8 footer over the rail Rhino....he's afraid to use it..says he doesn't want to ruin it...what a joke. even the owners of them know.

Looks - Spray in
Actually use - Drop in

My take of it....

- Tim

quadrunner500

Your first assignment, is to point to the sign in the salesmans office that says, "A prep and handling fee of $$$ applies to all transactions."

Your first words, "If you want me for a customer, you'll have to absorb that charge. I've never had to pay it before, and I'm not starting now."

One other caveat. Some of the dealers offering the best price, don't have allocations, meaning your special order will arrive late, if ever. Burt in Denver may charge 2.5% over, but they have allocations because they sell more. They have a great service dept also, but it's too far from you to consider.

quadrunner500

What Tim says about drop in liners, you can take it to the bank.

When he tells you the 2500 rides better than the 1500, don't believe a word he says!

LOL

quad

quadrunner500

Your brother in law has Ram with 8 foot bed?

I bet the dinner table is a real interesting place when you two get together!

mgdvhman

And the Father in law has a Ford Crew Cab with 8 foot. Both have Diesels...so they make me odd man out there....(who cares)

So discussion can get real interesting at times.

2500 don't ride better?>...
GRRRRRRRR
..hehehheeee
- Tim