Mystery car pix

magnette

There's an International Scout just below the island Rail Crossing sign

fintail

69 Squire at Raymond Nutting is pretty cool, with the hidden headlights. I wonder what else might have been lurking at the "Sports Car Shop".

In Vermont, both a fintail (W111 220, lowline 6cyl car) and a 60 Ford (appears to be a Galaxie 4 door post). I bet both of those dissolved to the point of having audible rust in that climate. Cars aged faster then - many cars were looking tired by the time they were maybe 7 years old, no doubt helped by intentional obsolescence design ethos.

tmart

ab348 said:

Great minds think alike! Seeing that pic earlier today sent me back to the source site which is a wonderful depository of vintage photos. I found this from November of 1966, taken in Clarendon, VT:



Sadly, no 1960 Ford. But wait! The photographer wandered into the back lot of the dealership and snapped this image:



Cars back then in New England got used up pretty quickly due to the climate and the use of road salt.

There she is! Also, a 58 Ford four door hardtop.

stickguy

Top picture of the dealer has a facelift corvair convertible. And the taillight to maybe a 62 Ford next to it? The round style.

stickguy

That mustang convertible already looks tired and beat, and it can’t be more than 2.5 years old at that point. Also on back lot, the rump of a 1st gen corvair.

andys120

stickguy said:

That mustang convertible already looks tired and beat, and it can’t be more than 2.5 years old at that point. Also on back lot, the rump of a 1st gen corvair.

Definitely beat but it's not a ragtop, it's a hardtop with white vinyl to simulate a 'vert as was so often done in that era.

magnette

magnette said:

There's an International Scout just below the island Rail Crossing sign

Also at the Raymond Nutting railroad crossing I think the approaching Falcon is a 62
The right hand car is an early -72?- Vega and next to it is a Maverick which I thought 73
And next to that IH Scout - is that a Falcon Futura or a regular one?

imidazol97

Behind the Vega is a car in profile. Any ideas? AMC?

stickguy

the car behind the Vega looks like a 71-73 vintage Mustang fastback, with the raised wing spoiler. and an odd 1/2 vinyl roof.

ab348

Let's go back to Rutland, Vt in November of 1966 to see the new models at Killington Motor Co. It was a pretty unique dealership in that it was a dual Dodge and Oldsmobile store. I suspect that even back in those days that such a combo would be pretty rare. For a small-town dealer they had a pretty good selection on their lot.



Now let's jump ahead to late October of 1969.




I'll take the Toro in pic #1, though the Charger in #3 is tempting. All of these pics blow up to a great size with a right-click.

stickguy

And a riviera in pic 1. Also a rope drive olds compact. F-85?

stickguy

Bottom picture with the obligatory falcon. Maybe a 65? And a general Lee vintage charger.

fintail

In the 1966 pic I see a 65 Galaxie on the road at right, looks like a 2 door HT.

stickguy

i Always liked that style Ford. IMO best looking large domestic of the 60s.

ab348

I never liked the styling of the ‘65 Ford but loved the ‘66. Go figure.

fintail

The concave C-pillar and rear glass of the 66 Galaxie 2 door HT is a nice touch. The 65 is maybe a little too angular, the 66 softened it up a little, and the 67 became a lot curvier.

andys120

stickguy said:

And a riviera in pic 1. Also a rope drive olds compact. F-85?

The Riv is a '65 with hidden headlights.

Third pic has a '67 Mustang notchback

andys120

fintail

Audi RS4 Avant - although the plate suggests 1996, I believe these didn't exist until closer to the turn of the century.

fintail

Madison Park neighborhood, Seattle, 1975 - almost everything in the shot is new for a change:

stickguy

Fiat x1/9 on the right. Next to nose of a dark green Datsun B210. And a Subaru GL nose poking out from behind the VW camper.

andys120

fintail said:

Audi RS4 Avant - although the plate suggests 1996, I believe these didn't exist until closer to the turn of the century.

No you're a little off, this first RS2Avant was based on the wagon version of the Audi 80/B4
With input from Porsche AG (then independent of VAG) it was introduced in 1994. It is now old enough to be legally imported into the US (if only I could afford one).

Possibly the coolest wagon ever made anywhere by anyone.

andys120

stickguy said:

Fiat x1/9 on the right. Next to nose of a dark green Datsun B210. And a Subaru GL nose poking out from behind the VW camper.

ithink the white BMW is an E28 (81-88), probably wearing a 525i badge, wicked nice cars.

texases

I think that 5er is the E12, like a '76 530i:

fintail

Yep, the BMW is an E12, fresh model then.

RS2 is cool I suppose, but I'd rather a Hammer

magnette

Coolest wagon ever ? - I think you forgot my contribution showing the Jowett Bradford

magnette said:

Five Estates

stickguy

not going to be an E28 since the picture was from 1975!

fintail

Definitely in a "suddenly it's 1935!" way.

Of course, the cool factor of a fintail Universal or 60 Ford is hard to beat

magnette said:

Coolest wagon ever ? - I think you forgot my contribution showing the Jowett Bradford

magnette

I like the MB Universal and we had a few of those here although I don't think it was ever sold in UK on a regular basis. I recall a Belgian registered one in London which was around for a while - it was dark blue - but that was back in the early nineties so it was getting old even then

That 60 Ford wagon was related to the last of the Edsels that were intended for 1960 but never got to Xmas 59, wasn't it?

I have a model of a 60 Ford Ranch wagon- I'll see if I can put together a picture shoot for my model wagons as there are quite a few picked up over the years

magnette

And that Jowett Bradford was really already old even in 1935 - although marketed in that form from 1946 it was a direct evolution of the 30's version and mechanically it was 20's
The flat twin 1005cc engine was developed from a slightly smaller version from 1914
It produced 19bhp in 1946 and although they perked it up a bit in 48 it was still only 25bhp when it went off sale in 1953. It had half elliptical springs front and rear and mechanical brakes, and no synchromesh on the three gears until 1949 - even then only on 2nd and 3rd - so it wouldn't reach 50 mph unless off a cliff.
But it sold well as in 1946 it cost £320, it was as strong as any truck and it was so simple it was more in keeping with Model T or something. Jowett sold about 38,000 of these - almost all in UK - between 1945 and 1953 which, to put it in context is as many as MG sold worldwide of Magnettes - ZA and ZB combined - in 1953-58 - actually MG sold 36000 Magnettes so the Bradford was actually a better seller.

imidazol97

magnette said:

That 60 Ford wagon was related to the last of the Edsels that were intended for 1960 but never got to Xmas 59, wasn't it?

The Ford was adapted as an Edsel with really strange add ons to change the appearance.

ab348

magnette said:

That 60 Ford wagon was related to the last of the Edsels that were intended for 1960 but never got to Xmas 59, wasn't it?

Well, the '60 Edsel was a somewhat touched-up version of the '60 Ford. Different grille, taillights, other small changes. It wasn't a very convincing disguise.

magnette

It looks better than the upright grille on the original Edsel did at least...

magnette

I've taken a couple of pictures of my American station wagons although not great photos - sorry
These are all to 1/43rd scale and picked up at car shows etc over last eight years or so....





and this one shows the Chrysler better

stickguy

Cool collection.

ab348

I love the model collection, @Magnette !

magnette

I could never park one of these in our street - enough trouble getting space for my Fiesta - but I like these huge cars in real life as they are so outrageous sometimes.

I have quite a lot of others - some sedans from America etc and some sports cars from Europe including here, and a few Japanese etc. Also have a row of half a dozen Rolls Royces with a few other limos and at the other end about a dozen microcars - it makes an incongruous mix as I only collect in 1/43rd scale and therefore they are pretty much to scale relative to each other.

As lockdown continues I might pull together a few more for another photo - I tend to prefer estate cars and saloons in general and ordinary cars too - I don't have a model of a Mustang or an Aston Martin but do have oddities like Moskvitch, Tatra, Warszawa and Zil too

imidazol97

Nice collection.

texases

Virtual car tabletop car shows - great idea!

fintail

Cool models, if I could find a model of a red and white on red and white 60 Country Sedan, I'd get one. Pretty amazing that models of a 60 Ford wagon have been made at all, I suppose. You certainly couldn't park one of those on the street in any populated area of the UK - the widest production Ford, IIRC.

I also have a decent sized diecast collection, but most of it is vintage - made as toys rather than scale models, so they aren't as precise (or large, I prefer ~1:64 scale for easy storage).

60 Edsel is OK from the front, but that rear end is somewhat strange, one can see how the 60 Comet has Edsel history.

magnette

I like looking for obscure models - but not racing cars or police/ fire dept etc

At 1/43rd scale pretty much each year of Ford wagons from about 1953 to the mid sixties has been modelled I think although there is a tendency towards the timber panelled ones like Country Squires rather than Ranch Wagons and its the same with GM etc where the models tend to be the high end ones not Yeoman or similar.

fintail

I don't collect racing/concept/fantasy cars nor service vehicles either. I like stuff actually seen on the road used by normal drivers. Most of my collection is Matchbox before the mid 60s, and Tomica (prolific Japanese brand) of the 70s and 80s. I also have a smattering of Corgi/Dinky and similar brands.

I've seen a model of a 60 Ford Squire, but never a Country Sedan. There was a 1:24 promo model, but only in light blue, IIRC. If I found one in the color of my dad's car, I'd snap it up.

andys120

Unlikely owners for a hot ride>

kyfdx

Grille identification:
https://forums.edmunds.com/discussion/13828/general/x/help-what-classic-car-is-this-grill-from#latest

tmart

A 57 Bonneville with fuel injection. The couple shown definitely don’t fit the demographics!

texases

Are they short? Or is the car that big?

stickguy

possibly both

andys120

tmart said:

A 57 Bonneville with fuel injection. The couple shown definitely don’t fit the demographics!

Nailed it. I forgot there was anything but 'Vettes w FI in 1957.

magnette

fintail said:

I've seen a model of a 60 Ford Squire, but never a Country Sedan. There was a 1:24 promo model, but only in light blue, IIRC. If I found one in the color of my dad's car, I'd snap it up.

My apologies - my 60 Ford is a Ranch Wagon not a Country Sedan - it was made by a firm called Whitebox, and I got it for about £20 in a stall at a car show about three years ago - they also did the Econoline van

My 59 Ranch Wagon - the dark blue one in the picture - was by a company called M&D I think but came in a completely anonymous box. I think that model was also available at the time in Red and White
There is also a 60 Ford Country Squire made by a firm called I think Project X and another - the 58 model - by firm called Goldvarg.
The other wagons in my picture were variously by BOS (Best in Show) , Neo Models and Kess Models who did the Mercury Voyager but there are others and available online - I have bought models from a firm in Germany and they send in about three days...

It's not just Wagons - I have got sedans and an Imperial Limo from the same places and firms
The firm I use in Germany have about 3000 models listed in 1/43rd scale - I only look at 43rds...

fintail

I think I have seen the Squire you mention. I have a handful of 1:43, mostly period castings. This one is probably the most relevant to me: