South Carolina hasn’t had safety or emission testing for years. Neighboring North Carolina does. The running joke is if you have a car in NC that has a check engine light on or won’t pass inspection in general, sell it to someone in SC. A lot of questionable vehicles run the streets here.
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Could someone in London just register their car elsewhere? That's a trick sometimes seen here, especially back in the day. I recall a cousin registered their car at my mom's small town address to avoid the more expensive Puget Sound metro registration fees.
I'm not sure but I think London has some sort of vehicle/plate recognition technology so that they can track all vehicles entering the city. I recall a segment of Top Gear where the 3 lads were racing across London via boat, bike and vehicle (with the Stig using public transport). May got a call on his mobile phone from a lady in some govt office confirming his presence and then to pay the congestion charge.
Cars are registered in a central database nowadays so all are in the UK - possibly its a bit different in Northern Ireland but basically all the cars on our roads anywhere are on the computer - in Swansea, Wales is the HQ for our Driver & Vehicle system
No, instead they will impose a charge on any car that is picked up on the cameras - we already have a control system in place for the lorries etc which uses the North and South Circular roads as the barrier and anything inside those will be charged every day - I think 24/7 if it is used in the zone.
If you live in Kent and just drive in you'll be picked up and charged although there will be a way to pay rather than being penalised. Also there are a few roads straight through and it excludes the bits of Motorway that are in the zone too.
If you live in the zone then I guess if you don't use your car you won't be picked up on a camera and of course if its garaged then you are ok.
Residents within the zone - London has about 8.9 million population and about 3 million households but some areas will be outside the new zone - goes out a long way in the suburbs - and of course many people in London don't use their cars to commute - rail Tube and bus really into the centre - but I live just inside the North Circular and we are in sight of a bit of forest on the outskirts, while people drive in to this locality and catch the tube further in too - and of course there are a lot of jobs in the suburbs too
They are using the same legislation as the congestion zone - the plan originally was to keep smoggy cars and vans out of the central London zone which has a couple of hundred thousand residents in it - that was scheduled for about March 2021 - but the need to fund the drop in public transport revenue during the (still very ongoing) lockdown means they are rushing this through - no one in the inner boroughs by now would not have been aware of this as it was planned for that area as a clean air stimulus but instead they are doing this with people who won't have any preparation for this and in addition there are a lot of people here as everywhere who aren't going to be financially in a position to to get a newer car or van currently after being off work perhaps for ages or on short hours etc.
This will also apply to cars from outside the UK too - there are a lot of cars in London which are registered in EU countries and they have to pay congestion charges currently in that inner zone and would be picked up by this although the mechanism for enforcing it is likely to be pretty unreliable.
Its hard enough getting parking tickets paid with foreign cars I would imagine
I walked to a local shop yesterday at the other end of my street - about ten cars or vans parked there older than the emissions zone limit I think and two from EU countries (Germany and Luxembourg actually
Are there any age-related exemptions? Or is this more of a plan to make London more of a home for sketchy offshore monied types who have bottomless bank accounts? At least there's some transit to compensate for it, which probably wouldn't happen here if there was a real plan to (regressively) tax private cars off the roads. No doubt enforcement cost exceeds the congestion charges and probably benefits, both.
I'm around 300 miles from my prior residence, other side of the state.
Cars are registered in a central database nowadays so all are in the UK - possibly its a bit different in Northern Ireland but basically all the cars on our roads anywhere are on the computer - in Swansea, Wales is the HQ for our Driver & Vehicle system
This will also apply to cars from outside the UK too - there are a lot of cars in London which are registered in EU countries and they have to pay congestion charges currently in that inner zone and would be picked up by this although the mechanism for enforcing it is likely to be pretty unreliable.
Its hard enough getting parking tickets paid with foreign cars I would imagine
WA had very basic emissions tests for maybe 25-30 years. No safety inspections. Fortunately, the climate here doesn't create real rot, but transplanted vehicles are not uncommon, and I've seen some sketchy material on the road here too.
South Carolina hasn’t had safety or emission testing for years. Neighboring North Carolina does. The running joke is if you have a car in NC that has a check engine light on or won’t pass inspection in general, sell it to someone in SC. A lot of questionable vehicles run the streets here.
Ah, I recall that one, May was in a GL. I feel like I'm living in the future when I pay for parking with an app (Spokane embraces pay parking - rates are cheap, but I used to live in a town built on free parking).
I'm not sure but I think London has some sort of vehicle/plate recognition technology so that they can track all vehicles entering the city. I recall a segment of Top Gear where the 3 lads were racing across London via boat, bike and vehicle (with the Stig using public transport). May got a call on his mobile phone from a lady in some govt office confirming his presence and then to pay the congestion charge.
All cars motorcycles and even old buses lorries or whatever which are registered before 1976 or so are historic and are exempt the Road Tax - though there is a special requirement that buses if still used as such - ie not preserved but still picking up passengers- must be taxed at some rate or other but I don't know the details
Cars registered more than forty years ago were exempt also from annual MOT safety test but there are specific tests for heavy vehicles and steam wagons etc due to the risk of explosion / brake failure etc I suppose.
In practice this is quite a large pool of vehicles - about half a million I think - although some of those may be laid up or whatever so not all in the streets.
No car that old can pass our emissions requirements anyway but it includes stuff like VW beetles Morris Minors and MGBs so not just rare antiques
Of course we have to have valid insurance on any car used on the road and my insurers for the Magnette prefer that an MOT test has been undertaken - I do as well as if I was to drive into someone without having bothered to get the brakes checked I would be a bit vulnerable to a claim or something
What actually happens is the MOT test is simulated by a qualified garage and then they give a summary of faults if anything is wrong. They wouldn't check emissions nor things like hazard lights which were never fitted but if the car is outright dangerous then it is still an offence to drive it - if my brakes were lethal I would risk prosecution .
The emissions legislation is part of general clean air legislation instigated by the EU - and we are keeping those requirements even if and when they ever sort out flipping Brexit ( I'm not a fan) as London does suffer from fumes and it was terrible years ago - there is a reason why old films were always showing foggy alleys.
London already is a home for offshore monied types - the west end has arabic numbered Lamborghinis and more Russian plates than downtown Moscow But that is the centre.
The majority of the people who live here are not that rich (partly because its so expensive to live here - particularly properties) and it is actually one of the most socialist voting parts of the UK and also has some of the most deprived boroughs in England - its bit of a mix really
I think there's a 30 year rule for collector car registration here, but one must apply for it, it isn't an automatic status. There's apparently rules behind it, like you can't use the car as a daily commuter etc, but I suspect it isn't enforced. I've seen numerous relatively ordinary 80s cars with collector plates. One can also get 'year of manufacture' plates, re-registering the car with plates (actual vintage plates, not reproductions) from the model year of the car. I have these on the fintail, and they exempt the car from annual registration fees. Insurance is completely detached from registration here. I have a Hagerty policy on the old car, which is inexpensive.
No MOT or anything else here, if you can get it on the road, you're good - but I suspect if something really sketchy was deemed at fault in a crash, there'd be some action. To be fair, this part of the country doesn't see much rot, but cars can have issues not related to rust.
London sounds like Seattle/Bellevue in some ways - a lot of questionably obtained foreign wealth (purchased residency), techdork money, some locals who were lucky enough to buy in before the insanity, and a new generation who can seldom buy in without family help - also much less affluent areas on the periphery, where locals have the same issues of inflating housing costs as people spread out from the larger cities looking for something cheaper. With interest rates almost guaranteed to remain low for the foreseeable future, this issue isn't going away. At least we don't have Brexit stupidity, although we have similarly opinioned people causing havoc.
If one wants to see the value of pollution controls, look at LA in the 60s and 70s compared to now. That wasn't fog rolling in off the ocean.
All cars motorcycles and even old buses lorries or whatever which are registered before 1976 or so are historic and are exempt the Road Tax - though there is a special requirement that buses if still used as such - ie not preserved but still picking up passengers- must be taxed at some rate or other but I don't know the details
Cars registered more than forty years ago were exempt also from annual MOT safety test but there are specific tests for heavy vehicles and steam wagons etc due to the risk of explosion / brake failure etc I suppose.
In practice this is quite a large pool of vehicles - about half a million I think - although some of those may be laid up or whatever so not all in the streets.
No car that old can pass our emissions requirements anyway but it includes stuff like VW beetles Morris Minors and MGBs so not just rare antiques
Of course we have to have valid insurance on any car used on the road and my insurers for the Magnette prefer that an MOT test has been undertaken - I do as well as if I was to drive into someone without having bothered to get the brakes checked I would be a bit vulnerable to a claim or something
What actually happens is the MOT test is simulated by a qualified garage and then they give a summary of faults if anything is wrong. They wouldn't check emissions nor things like hazard lights which were never fitted but if the car is outright dangerous then it is still an offence to drive it - if my brakes were lethal I would risk prosecution .
The emissions legislation is part of general clean air legislation instigated by the EU - and we are keeping those requirements even if and when they ever sort out flipping Brexit ( I'm not a fan) as London does suffer from fumes and it was terrible years ago - there is a reason why old films were always showing foggy alleys.
London already is a home for offshore monied types - the west end has arabic numbered Lamborghinis and more Russian plates than downtown Moscow But that is the centre.
The majority of the people who live here are not that rich (partly because its so expensive to live here - particularly properties) and it is actually one of the most socialist voting parts of the UK and also has some of the most deprived boroughs in England - its bit of a mix really
I don't think this was in any movie although it was perhaps an inspiration for a Rush song sometime after this picture was taken. Scarborough, Ont., 1964, via Americar on FB. Expands greatly.
Good call, omarman. I watched this one for the first time in ages a few days ago - quite a few unusual cars in it, not exacting car-casting like in a John Hughes film, rather, cars on the street that became rare with age.
I thought someone would be all over the middle car, another hen's tooth in 2020.
A few more relative rarities spotted here, apparently the same neighborhood (zooms OK):
Re the Scarborough picture I thought of the Imperial for those fins but didn't connect it with the hard top so the Plymouth makes more sense - the size of each fin as nearly that of the whole flank of that Spridget!
Surprised by the lack of foreign cars. Basic looking 65 Ford Custom 2 door 2nd (and a half) from right - the kind of car that would either have a 6 or a 427.
Re the Scarborough picture I thought of the Imperial for those fins but didn't connect it with the hard top so the Plymouth makes more sense - the size of each fin as nearly that of the whole flank of that Spridget!
The profile of the spear on the side of the car past the Rambler matches a Belvedere Plymouth and the roof matches the Sport model hardtop. BUT the profile of the rear fins is not the same as the Plymouth that's 4 cars closer to the camera. That's why I keep coming up with an Imperial model.
Since it's Canadian, did Imperial sell there using different side trim than the US models? I tried to find Canadian brochures for Imperial 57 or 58.
@ab348 any knowledge of Canadian models that might explain this?
Revisiting the Ruscha pictures from the Getty Museum, here's one from 1966 of a day at the beach. I guess Ed hit the end of the road.
i think the oldest car is the white Caddy going out of frame, a '55-'56 I think. I think there's a gen 2 Corvair parked seaside in center, it's probably the newest ('65-'69)
A few slivers of cars to ID here - I can pick out at least 4. I found this amusing, as that black wagon is a pretty stylish thing, maybe more so than the pants:
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Cars are registered in a central database nowadays so all are in the UK - possibly its a bit different in Northern Ireland but basically all the cars on our roads anywhere are on the computer - in Swansea, Wales is the HQ for our Driver & Vehicle system
No, instead they will impose a charge on any car that is picked up on the cameras - we already have a control system in place for the lorries etc which uses the North and South Circular roads as the barrier and anything inside those will be charged every day - I think 24/7 if it is used in the zone.
If you live in Kent and just drive in you'll be picked up and charged although there will be a way to pay rather than being penalised. Also there are a few roads straight through and it excludes the bits of Motorway that are in the zone too.
If you live in the zone then I guess if you don't use your car you won't be picked up on a camera and of course if its garaged then you are ok.
Residents within the zone - London has about 8.9 million population and about 3 million households but some areas will be outside the new zone - goes out a long way in the suburbs - and of course many people in London don't use their cars to commute - rail Tube and bus really into the centre - but I live just inside the North Circular and we are in sight of a bit of forest on the outskirts, while people drive in to this locality and catch the tube further in too - and of course there are a lot of jobs in the suburbs too
They are using the same legislation as the congestion zone - the plan originally was to keep smoggy cars and vans out of the central London zone which has a couple of hundred thousand residents in it - that was scheduled for about March 2021 - but the need to fund the drop in public transport revenue during the (still very ongoing) lockdown means they are rushing this through - no one in the inner boroughs by now would not have been aware of this as it was planned for that area as a clean air stimulus but instead they are doing this with people who won't have any preparation for this and in addition there are a lot of people here as everywhere who aren't going to be financially in a position to to get a newer car or van currently after being off work perhaps for ages or on short hours etc.
This will also apply to cars from outside the UK too - there are a lot of cars in London which are registered in EU countries and they have to pay congestion charges currently in that inner zone and would be picked up by this although the mechanism for enforcing it is likely to be pretty unreliable.
Its hard enough getting parking tickets paid with foreign cars I would imagine
Did you move far from where you were before?
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I'm around 300 miles from my prior residence, other side of the state.
All cars motorcycles and even old buses lorries or whatever which are registered before 1976 or so are historic and are exempt the Road Tax - though there is a special requirement that buses if still used as such - ie not preserved but still picking up passengers- must be taxed at some rate or other but I don't know the details
Cars registered more than forty years ago were exempt also from annual MOT safety test but there are specific tests for heavy vehicles and steam wagons etc due to the risk of explosion / brake failure etc I suppose.
In practice this is quite a large pool of vehicles - about half a million I think - although some of those may be laid up or whatever so not all in the streets.
No car that old can pass our emissions requirements anyway but it includes stuff like VW beetles Morris Minors and MGBs so not just rare antiques
Of course we have to have valid insurance on any car used on the road and my insurers for the Magnette prefer that an MOT test has been undertaken - I do as well as if I was to drive into someone without having bothered to get the brakes checked I would be a bit vulnerable to a claim or something
What actually happens is the MOT test is simulated by a qualified garage and then they give a summary of faults if anything is wrong. They wouldn't check emissions nor things like hazard lights which were never fitted but if the car is outright dangerous then it is still an offence to drive it - if my brakes were lethal I would risk prosecution .
The emissions legislation is part of general clean air legislation instigated by the EU - and we are keeping those requirements even if and when they ever sort out flipping Brexit ( I'm not a fan) as London does suffer from fumes and it was terrible years ago - there is a reason why old films were always showing foggy alleys.
London already is a home for offshore monied types - the west end has arabic numbered Lamborghinis and more Russian plates than downtown Moscow But that is the centre.
The majority of the people who live here are not that rich (partly because its so expensive to live here - particularly properties) and it is actually one of the most socialist voting parts of the UK and also has some of the most deprived boroughs in England - its bit of a mix really
I think there's a 30 year rule for collector car registration here, but one must apply for it, it isn't an automatic status. There's apparently rules behind it, like you can't use the car as a daily commuter etc, but I suspect it isn't enforced. I've seen numerous relatively ordinary 80s cars with collector plates. One can also get 'year of manufacture' plates, re-registering the car with plates (actual vintage plates, not reproductions) from the model year of the car. I have these on the fintail, and they exempt the car from annual registration fees. Insurance is completely detached from registration here. I have a Hagerty policy on the old car, which is inexpensive.
No MOT or anything else here, if you can get it on the road, you're good - but I suspect if something really sketchy was deemed at fault in a crash, there'd be some action. To be fair, this part of the country doesn't see much rot, but cars can have issues not related to rust.
London sounds like Seattle/Bellevue in some ways - a lot of questionably obtained foreign wealth (purchased residency), techdork money, some locals who were lucky enough to buy in before the insanity, and a new generation who can seldom buy in without family help - also much less affluent areas on the periphery, where locals have the same issues of inflating housing costs as people spread out from the larger cities looking for something cheaper. With interest rates almost guaranteed to remain low for the foreseeable future, this issue isn't going away. At least we don't have Brexit stupidity, although we have similarly opinioned people causing havoc.
If one wants to see the value of pollution controls, look at LA in the 60s and 70s compared to now. That wasn't fog rolling in off the ocean.
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The one beyond the Spridget looks like a 62/3 Rambler - one of the bigger ones
Just beyond that the car on the road facing us - is that a Meteor Rideau ?
Beyond I see a dark Corvair 4-door
I see a 55 Meteor parked on the street at left, center.
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On second thought the side spear trim matches this Fury better
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But please, not on "60 Minutes".
Or "That's Incredible!"
Funny lines back then but today it would all get uploaded before that talk ever happened. I like the wheels on the Grand Am.
I thought someone would be all over the middle car, another hen's tooth in 2020.
A few more relative rarities spotted here, apparently the same neighborhood (zooms OK):
"Besides, we've done it before"
"When?"
"In '76, right down there"
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The profile of the spear on the side of the car past the Rambler matches a Belvedere Plymouth and the roof matches the Sport model hardtop. BUT the profile of the rear fins is not the same as the Plymouth that's 4 cars closer to the camera. That's why I keep coming up with an Imperial model.
Since it's Canadian, did Imperial sell there using different side trim than the US models? I tried to find Canadian brochures for Imperial 57 or 58.
@ab348 any knowledge of Canadian models that might explain this?
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I'll take it. Where do I sign?
The Olds is interesting because it has only two doors on such an enormous car, common prectice back then.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
First US built sportscar post war:
http://www.danjedlicka.com/classic_cars/1951-54_Nash_Healey.html
Superman drove one
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