Mystery car pix

hudsonthedog

Pao it is... a grey import here in UK...
Nonexistent here in the US.

magnette

It's a replica, but not German - ( and I think the original, being pre-war, would be too early for our period)

magnette

Yes - I really thought it might take a little longer for the Peel, as I would imagine nobody outside Britain was ever daft enough to buy one ! This was of course made in the early 60's, actually on the Isle of Man, and it had a 50cc engine, so I would imagine performance was a little less than spirited... The handle low down on the rear is to turn the car round as there is of course no reverse gear...

I've always liked micro cars, and must admit one of these Peels would be quite fun, but it might be a bit cramped for me....

texases

The Peel...50 cc? as in 3 cubic inches?? hmm...what comes below 'micro'?

magnette

I've just looked up the specification for the Peel P50, and the following is quoted;

49cc, one cylinder twin stroke (DKW) engine, 4.2 bhp @ 6500 rpm, max speed 38mph, and it's dry weight was 132 pounds.

Length 53 inches, and it sold at launch in 1962 at £ 199.50....

Oh - it was delivered from the factory in a wooden box ( honestly ),which some owners were then able to make use of as a rudimentary garage....

Apparently they sold about 75, and quite a high percentage survive, because they presumably ended up in the back of peoples sheds, and came to light years later - anyway, who would want to scrap it - there are virtually no materials in it ....

magnette

- note the chap in the background...

andys120

From my brief search, it seems that the fender mounted taillights were on the Tempest while the rear-mounted taillights were on the LeMans versions. Anyone confirm or dispute this?

Most likely that is the case. I noticed on your photo of the front fender that there are
horizontal strakes behind the wheel, IIRC the LM or GTO version did not have those, instead LMs had a set of simulated louvers forward of the rear wheels. GTOs had neither, just the "5.9 Litre" badge.

A pillared hardtop base '64 Tempest with a V8 would be pretty rare, I think. Anyone recall a Hurst Edition for these.

andys120

This is 1964 leMans

Are you referring to the red convertible? It's a '64 GTO. Legalistically you might call it a LeMans since the GTO was an option package on the LM. The Goat wasn't sold as a separate model 'til '65.

If you really want to be fussy the full name is "Pontiac Tempest LeMans GTO". Since that's awkward most people just call 'em GTOs.

I did read in Wiki that the GTO existed in 1964

Yep, '64 was the first year and many including myself think it was the best looking.

fintail

Is that a Sbarro 328? From Switzerland, of course...made in the 70s and 80s I think

magnette

This grey import business is quite interesting here,as we tend to get a lot of obscure Japanese cars, once they are a few years old and start to fail whatever stringent safety inspections they have to face in Japan... Ours are a bit more lenient, and of course we drive on the same side so various strange cars turn up, as well as variants of stuff we did get...
The place where I took this photo is about a mile down the road from here and every time I go past I have a look to see what the chap has this time - although usually his main stock is Nissan Figaros, which are really popular here...

magnette

Thats what I thought it was, but it isn't - its actually more recent ( I think it is still made ) - and it isn't Swiss....

fintail

Hmm...I want to say I have seen something like that made in Poland too, but I can't recall anything even close to a name for it

Is that a Czech or Slovak plate on it?

imidazol97

>This is 1964 leMans
Are you referring to the red convertible?

I went back to see what was the confusion. I find that, like my teenager, when I wasn't looking the posts quit working for the teal Tempest posts!

I did something wrong related to where I grabbed the picture... they showed at first and then...

1964 Tempest

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magnette

Close - it's from Slovenia..

andys120

Okay, now that's a '64 Tempest, you can see that it has the fender mounted t/ls and the horizontal strakes in back of the wheel that evidently denote a base Tempest. Like your coupe, it's also a 326, you can see the badge on the front fender.

cmatt2

I bought a brand new 1965 GTO in Nov of 1964.My first new car.As I recall the GTO was an option($296).It included a 3 speed floor mounted transmission with a Hurst shifter,GTO trim -badges,heavy duty suspension,redline tires,dual exhaust,335 hp 4 barrel engine,console and grab bar.Other options I ordered were close ratio 4 speed($188)metallic brakes($16)close ratio steering(no charge I think).I did not order power brakes- a big mistake with metallic brakes-or power steering.And tri-power ($115).The 3.90 rear was no charge as was the aluminun transmission.
All told it cost me $3300.00 or $80 a month for 36 months.Best car I ever had.until I wrecked it .

hudsonthedog

This grey import business is quite interesting here...

In the US, the government effectively shut down the grey market in the 1990s. There was a time when someone could import one vehicle for their own personal use. Today, there's a loophole in the regulations called "show and display" that allows for certain rare vehicles to be imported, but driving them regularly is a problem.

Sigh

andys120

ateixeira

Bentley, model? Brooklands? Late 80s, I'll guess 1988.

Of course it has looked the same for ages, so it could be 1950-present.

hudsonthedog

Of course it has looked the same for ages, so it could be 1950-present.

It only SEEMS that way.

This generation Bentley was produced from about 1980 into the late 1990s when it was replaced by the Arnage.

fintail

I think it's a Turbo R with those wheels, ca. 1990

A really nice money pit.

andys120

I think it's a Turbo R with those wheels, ca. 1990

Yup!

andys120

michaellno

Ford Futura?

Did FMC actually make these, or was it a sub-contractor who built them?

andys120

Ford Futura?

Did FMC actually make these, or was it a sub-contractor who built them?

You're getting warm, they were built for Ford by National Coach Works but not sold as Futuras. Anyone know what model name was used?

Hint: the model name is still in use but not by FoMoCo.

ateixeira

Ranger?

jescue

Durango

andys120

Durango is correct, as you can tell they were Fairmont-based. Sounds funny to say "Ford Durango" doesn't it?

andys120

ateixeira

Almost looks like a Renault Kangoo.

In fact I'll guess it's a clone of that van sold by Citroen.

imidazol97

What was the purpose of these? Ford had the Ranchero at that time, didn't they? Were they actually a production car sold retail?

Answers: 1978-1981
They replaced the Ranchero.
Had fiberglass/plastic bed.
info courtesy Wikipedia.

magnette

The BMW 328 replica I posted yesterday is a bit of an oddity - it was built in Slovenia, in former Yugoslavia, and is known as a Victor 328 - the company also makes a Cobra replica and a sort of Lotus Seven type beast, apparently...
The 328 uses BMW components, mostly from 5-series, and they have been in business since the mid nineties.

fintail

Weird...never heard of it. Looks a lot better than the period fake MBs anyway.

fintail

Citroen Berlingo

hudsonthedog

Didn't I post pictures of this earlier?

What was the purpose of these? Ford had the Ranchero at that time, didn't they? Were they actually a production car sold retail?

Answers: 1978-1981
They replaced the Ranchero.
Had fiberglass/plastic bed.
info courtesy Wikipedia.

Actually, they were only produced in 1980/81 and they were supposed to replace the Ranchero, but with production only numbering about 100-200, they didn't come close.

I photographed one (for sale) at the Carlisle show last fall.

andys120

Apologies if that was posted earlier. We go thru a lotta cars. :confuse:

andys120

Citroen Berlingo

It's the new ('09) Berlingo.

magnette

The situation here is different. Basically, although I'm in UK, for the purpose of grey imports this really only applies to countries outside EU. Individuals can bring in cars from elsewhere ie US, South America, S Africa, Asia, but if they do, these have to be basically roadworthy, or old... If someone imports cars secondhand from say Japan, then they can bring in cars which don't conform directly to EU standards, ( presumably so long as they were built to conform with JDM standards in this case), but only in limited numbers - no more than 50 of a particular model ( per year I think) - but that is all importers to Britain, so between them they can only bring in so many Figaros per year - I'm not sure about the exact regulations, but different trim versions of the Figaro seem to count differently, for example.
Once they are here and legally registered they can and are used as regular cars - not just "show & display".
This is really to bring in cars that the importer - ie Nissan - didn't put through EU crash tests, or something - it's meant to allow rare and exclusive cars to come in, so some really exotic car made in US could turn up, but in practice variants of common Japanese cars that we haven't had here come in too. In Britain Nissan builds the Micra, which is basically the March in Japan, but I've seen a number of imported Marchs too, which have been brought in second-hand...
The give-away with imports from Japan is the numberplate size. Japanese plates are a different format from any used in Europe, being a sort of half way between small US plates and the generally larger EU ones. Because Japanese cars have panel which is designed to take these plates, the imported cars also have a funny size plate made up - again this is allowed in our regulations. I suppose most Japanese grey imports are to Britain Ireland or places like Malta, which drive on the same side of the road, but I think the same basic rules apply to imports of US cars to Europe - not all American cars are offered on export markets even in left-hand drive areas.
It makes car spotting quite interesting here, because we get weird JDM models, but also as so many foreign cars show up in Britain from other parts of the EU, ie France or where ever, we get some of their oddities that were never sold here - ie those never made in RHD.
This is of course particularly true in London, where I live, as we have a more varied and multicultural population - you don't tend to see so many odd cars out in rural areas, ie Wales, where I'm from originally.

andys120

You should know the movie, but can you name the three visible characters as well as the three cars?

magnette

I hadn't heard of it when I saw it, although that Polish car catalogue "World of Cars" did have an entry for it - but I saw and photographed this one at a car show, so it actually had a note in the car saying what it was - I don't imagine there are many here ( if any).

magnette

The yellow truck must be a Crosley, and the burnt out (?) car to the right looks like perhaps a 58 Plymouth ( or DeSoto?)
White Corvair (63?), red Corvette (59/60 ?), Lincoln Continental but I can't tell 61 from 62 or 63....
Edit - I hadn't seen the white ambulance to the extreme right, at first, because it was lost on my screen behind the adverts to the right of this screen layout... No idea what that is.

flipb

Characters: D-day, with his motorbike; Flounder at the wheel (of his brother's car); Otter in the back seat.

magnette

Still no guesses on the grey coupe with the chap who is horizontally challenged in the background ?

I took this photo at Frankfurt show 2007, and as you can see from the chap, the car was actually hanging on the wall - they did have another on the stand but I couldn't get a clear shot of it.

andys120

You've pretty much got 'em covered. IMCDB sez the Lincoln is a '64, if so that's a blooper, since it's supposed to take place in 1962. Only minor trim differences distinguished Contis of that era.

The Corvair then is likely a '61 or '62 and the non-visible wrecked white wagon is definitely a Pontiac, prolly a '54 or '55. These were often employed as hearse and ambulances back then

andys120

You've identified the characters nicknames correctly. D-Day/Daniel Simpson Day was played by Bruce McGill, Flounder/Kent Dorfman by Steven Furst and Otter/ Eric Stratton by Tim Matheson.

I love that movie!

imidazol97

Is the Plymouth a 57 or 58? I'd think 57.

The white ambulance is a Pontiac. Look closely for the chrome straps/chevrons over the taillights. If I'm on the right track, 1955 or 1956?

A little like this...

andys120

flipb

Is that an International Scout?

andys120

They agree w you at imcdb.com, the Pontiac is captioned as a 1955.

The Plymouth seems to be a '58. Notice how the sidesweep curls upwards into the fin, like this>


It goes straight back on the '57, like this>

andys120

That is indeed a Scout, specifically a '73 Scout SS.