Not having ever seen one, I was working mya way through possibles with a niggling feeling of familiarity. Ultimately discovered its ancestry as Renault 25 adapted for America. Put this image and a Renault 25 side by side and the similarity is far more obvious, Windows, main body and crease lines are similar, although the 25 was a hatchback.
I ran a 25 for a couple of months in London, where is was far too large for the city; we referred to it as "The Whale" because of its grey colour and size. It had every electronic goody known to man in 1990, but all driven by French electronics, rarely giving confidence.
That's right, as raced by Sam Posey in the 1970 TransAm for the ChryCo- funded Autodynamics Racing Team. '70 was the most competitive year for that memorable series.
In those days racing cars looked practically stock
Possibly one of those odd German manufacturers that popped up post war. The lines actually look nice but the bonnet and grille seem clumsy. Perspective could be odd but it looks like a longish engine bay so might be a six cylinder.
The bonnet pressing reminds me of something Russian from about 1950, but I have no idea what; the names all seem the same to me
There is something about an arm of BMW which fetched up in the Eastern block and used the BMW name and roundel (two blue, two white quarters) with variation. Could the hubcaps be that logo? I cannot tell colour on this image size, but it looks red or brown.
There is something about an arm of BMW which fetched up in the Eastern block and used the BMW name and roundel (two blue, two white quarters) with variation.
I was going to hypothesize a relationship to Auto Union. The car is obviously not a DKW, too large for one thing, but there is similarity in the front end and in the configuration of the doors (both front and rear doors hinged on the central pillar.) I don't have a clue what it is, however.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
I should have been working harder, but this has been niggling at me all day.
LJK Setright mentions Dixi, BMW, EMW, Wartburg and Trabant as coming from Eisenach in his story of the first long distance trip by Theodor, Baron von Liebieg in 1894, in a Benz Victoria in Drive On.
The Dixi was a licensed copy of the Austin 7
The Wartburg Fortress where Martin Luther was secreted away by James the Wise, overlooks the town. It was there that he translated the New Testament into German after being excommunicated after the Diet of Worms.
BMW had a factory there pre war and after the second world war, it was in the Soviet zone. The photo is of a BMW 340 (derived from the pre war BMW's) which was later sold as an EMW (Eisenach Motorwerke) after a dispute over the use of the BMW brand.
BMW had a factory there pre war and after the second world war, it was in the Soviet zone. The photo is of a BMW 340 (derived from the pre war BMW's) which was later sold as an EMW (Eisenach Motorwerke) after a dispute over the use of the BMW brand.
That's it Graham, pretty good summary. I've always found the tale of the East German auto industry fascinating. Wikipedia has a good summary of the company that eventually became VEB Eisenach and eventually became the maker of Wartburgs and Trabants. It survives today as Sachsenring AG, a maker of automobile parts based in Zwickau.
I really enjoy these esoteric enquiries. I am not too good on US metal, but have a strong visual memory for European designers, especially from the 1940s forward.
What's interesting is that no car in automotive history that was deemed "unattractive" or "interesting-looking" by at least half the population has ever been redeemed as 'beautiful" as the years so by. Opinions seem to remain divided forever. Personally, I think the Clown Shoe could make a baby jump out of his stroller, but that's just me. I'd drive one if you gave it to me. I liked the *concept*.
When I see a JDM Miata coupe, Z3 coupe, etc., I always think to myself, that thing would look great as a roadster!
Thing is, a lot of 'em are track cars. Owners want the rigidity, so it gets my respect, even if it's like Julia Roberts hooking up with Lyle Lovitt (sp?).
One of the odder diversions of an Italian supercar maker, although Lamborghini was originally a tractor manufacturer, so anything is possible.
I think this was mid '80s although the idea derived from some earlier development, possibly a Military Vehicle which was to be sold to the US. This would have pre-dated Hummer development
I know that is was popular in the Middle East, amongst wealth sheikhs because of its sand capabilities. Something about racing camels and falcon hunting, each of which is popular in the Gulf States, hangs in my memory. somewhere I have seen an image of one with a trussed camel in the rear compartment
The early Jaguar E-Type / XKE looked great as a roadster - but even more so as the coupe.
Either ranks among the best looking cars ever made but in 40+ years I've never been able to decide which looks the best. It's interesting to me how they look like different cars even though they're mostly the same.
Well what we could safely say is that the E-Type 2+2 is not in the beauty contest with the coupes and roadsters. Collectors have voted the Series 1 cars the prettiest. Personally I think the series II coupes are something of a bargain right now, presuming you don't get swallowed up in restoration costs.
Collectors have voted the Series 1 cars the prettiest.
As far as I recall S1 and S2 E-types look the same except for the badges on the trunk, the differences were under the hood with the S2s having beautiful all-synchro gearboxes and larger motors (4.4L vs. 3.8L).
A well-maintained '67 Series 2 coupe was the best car I ever drove.
And yet Series I sells for far more money. I found a Series II coupe, hadn't run in 20 years, needed paint, but was an original owner car, not much rust--all there, all original, good body. Owner had it for sale for $7000 with no takers. If it were a Series I, it would have been gone in 30 seconds for twice that.
Toyota Land cruiser FJ45 four door station wagon, although I cannot recall difference between this and the later FJ55. I think mid 60s.
My father had a fleet o Land cruisers and had a special ordered wagon to a special task. Remarkably long lived vehicle. Many of them still on the road, down under
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Not having ever seen one, I was working mya way through possibles with a niggling feeling of familiarity. Ultimately discovered its ancestry as Renault 25 adapted for America. Put this image and a Renault 25 side by side and the similarity is far more obvious, Windows, main body and crease lines are similar, although the 25 was a hatchback.
I ran a 25 for a couple of months in London, where is was far too large for the city; we referred to it as "The Whale" because of its grey colour and size. It had every electronic goody known to man in 1990, but all driven by French electronics, rarely giving confidence.
Cheers
Graham
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
That's right, as raced by Sam Posey in the 1970 TransAm for the ChryCo- funded Autodynamics Racing Team. '70 was the most competitive year for that memorable series.
In those days racing cars looked practically stock
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Possibly one of those odd German manufacturers that popped up post war. The lines actually look nice but the bonnet and grille seem clumsy. Perspective could be odd but it looks like a longish engine bay so might be a six cylinder.
The bonnet pressing reminds me of something Russian from about 1950, but I have no idea what; the names all seem the same to me
There is something about an arm of BMW which fetched up in the Eastern block and used the BMW name and roundel (two blue, two white quarters) with variation. Could the hubcaps be that logo? I cannot tell colour on this image size, but it looks red or brown.
Cheers
Graham
I was going to hypothesize a relationship to Auto Union. The car is obviously not a DKW, too large for one thing, but there is similarity in the front end and in the configuration of the doors (both front and rear doors hinged on the central pillar.) I don't have a clue what it is, however.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
I should have been working harder, but this has been niggling at me all day.
LJK Setright mentions Dixi, BMW, EMW, Wartburg and Trabant as coming from Eisenach in his story of the first long distance trip by Theodor, Baron von Liebieg in 1894, in a Benz Victoria in Drive On.
The Dixi was a licensed copy of the Austin 7
The Wartburg Fortress where Martin Luther was secreted away by James the Wise, overlooks the town. It was there that he translated the New Testament into German after being excommunicated after the Diet of Worms.
BMW had a factory there pre war and after the second world war, it was in the Soviet zone. The photo is of a BMW 340 (derived from the pre war BMW's) which was later sold as an EMW (Eisenach Motorwerke) after a dispute over the use of the BMW brand.
Please don't inflict Wartburgs upon us!
Cheers
Graham
That's it Graham, pretty good summary. I've always found the tale of the East German auto industry fascinating. Wikipedia has a good summary of the company that eventually became VEB Eisenach and eventually became the maker of Wartburgs and Trabants. It survives today as Sachsenring AG, a maker of automobile parts based in Zwickau.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
I really enjoy these esoteric enquiries. I am not too good on US metal, but have a strong visual memory for European designers, especially from the 1940s forward.
However, don't try me on Korean or Chinese
Good fun
Cheers
Graham
Car looks too small, though.
The overall shape seems to whisper Datsun 510/Maxima to me, maybe it's just the boxiness.
The overall shape seems to whisper Datsun 510/Maxima to me, maybe it's just the boxiness.
You're getting warm.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Small one was the Sunny IIRC, before it was Sentra.
Side note: If Maxima is big, why isn't small Minima? :P
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Wish they could tweak the styling a tad.
Maybe they could do a Benz-like magic tint.
(that was a mean thing to say....I'm sorry)
It fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, but it was still interesting. :shades:
Thing is, a lot of 'em are track cars. Owners want the rigidity, so it gets my respect, even if it's like Julia Roberts hooking up with Lyle Lovitt (sp?).
And the funny thing is it costs more than the roadster does, which is counter-intuitive.
You want a better looking coupe? Pay up, sucker!
Odie
Lamborghini LM 002
One of the odder diversions of an Italian supercar maker, although Lamborghini was originally a tractor manufacturer, so anything is possible.
I think this was mid '80s although the idea derived from some earlier development, possibly a Military Vehicle which was to be sold to the US. This would have pre-dated Hummer development
I know that is was popular in the Middle East, amongst wealth sheikhs because of its sand capabilities. Something about racing camels and falcon hunting, each of which is popular in the Gulf States, hangs in my memory. somewhere I have seen an image of one with a trussed camel in the rear compartment
Cheers
Graham
Either ranks among the best looking cars ever made but in 40+ years I've never been able to decide which looks the best. It's interesting to me how they look like different cars even though they're mostly the same.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Odie
As far as I recall S1 and S2 E-types look the same except for the badges on the trunk, the differences were under the hood with the S2s having beautiful all-synchro gearboxes and larger motors (4.4L vs. 3.8L).
A well-maintained '67 Series 2 coupe was the best car I ever drove.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
it's ironic that people put Chevy engines in Jaguars, thereby discarding what is probably the best component in the car. Go figure.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
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2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
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Toyota Land cruiser FJ45 four door station wagon, although I cannot recall difference between this and the later FJ55. I think mid 60s.
My father had a fleet o Land cruisers and had a special ordered wagon to a special task. Remarkably long lived vehicle. Many of them still on the road, down under
Cheers
Graham
I have even harder cars than this up my sleeve....be warned :shades:
aka the French Range Rover.
Keep 'em comin' Shifty.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93