Yep, I'm not sure why the car in photo lacks the GTO decal and grille-mounted lights. The side exhaust is not stock and the hood scoop is a different design (mis-labeled photo?)
well, the yellow car also has some body mods done, such as the fender flares. So odds are the hood isn't stock, either. Could very well be a GTO, but you would never know without seeing the paperwork.
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I think that mesh grille is one indication that it's a GTO, but not sure. Anyway, that particular one was featured in an article called "10 wimpiest musclecars of all time" or something like that.
Truth be told, the '74 GTO wasn't *that* bad for its era. It had a 200 net hp Pontiac 350-4bbl, and with the 4-speed would do 0-60 in about 7.7 seconds. For comparison, the original '64 GTO, with the 325 gross hp 389-4bbl and a stick, was good for 0-60 in around 7.5.
I'm sure the '64 did better in the quarter mile and top speed, though.
Other than the Dart Sport/Duster 360, I don't know if there was much else out there, in this class of car, that would give you that kind of performance. There were still some pretty powerful big-blocks going in the various intermediate and full-sized cars, but those cars were so big and heavy, that I doubt they were any faster.
There was one or two years in there that the Sport/Duster 360 was actually faster than a Corvette!
I'm surprised that list didn't mention the 1977.5 Pontiac Can Am. It was about the only thing resembling a musclecar by that time, but with its 200 hp 400-4bbl, and standard 3-speed automatic, and curb weight of around two tons, I think it was good for 0-60 in about 8.9 seconds.
But, for comparison, by that time I think the biggest engine you could get in a midsized Ford was a 400-2bbl with around 166 hp. Chevy's Malibu was down to a 350-4 with 170 hp, and I think the Buick Century Regal were stuck with choked down Buick 350-4's that only had 155 hp! You could still get an Olds 403 in the Cutlass with 185 hp, and the regular Pontiac LeMans/Grand Prix could be had with a 180 hp 400-4bbl, or in CA they got the 403.
Chrysler was still putting out some pretty potent 400's and 440's in '77, but I think they were relegated mainly for police cars. In passenger cars, they were usually tuned more for towing...they could move a lot of weight, but they just couldn't move a lot of weight fast.
A Volare Road Runner or Aspen R/T with the 360-4bbl might be faster though. And I guess a '77 Nova with the 350 wouldn't be too bad.
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I think sometimes putting those big engines in small cars backfires, because they often have to de-tune them a bit because of more restrictive exhausts. Also, because of the light bodies they're going into, I think they reduce the power so that it doesn't stress out the platform as much. Yet, they still have the extra weight to lug around.
GM tried putting a 350 in the Chevy Monza in 1975, and it was choked down to 125 hp. Although even in bigger cars, I think it was down to 140-150 hp by then. From 1976 onward, they went with the 305, which I think usually had around 130-145 hp, although I've heard the best engine choice for this car was actually the Buick 231 V-6. It wasn't much heavier than the 4-cyl, but had more hp and a lot more torque. In those days though, it would probably self-destruct quicker than an Iron duke or Chevy smallblock.
Hey, not being a face man myself, I certainly don't mind some uglies each week, but we seemed to be on a roll there. Nice pix. The jags were nice back then too.
I didn't think the Ventura/GTO package was that bad either. But a year later Pontiac trotted out the '75 Trans Am 455 HO with a 200 hp non-High Output engine. That was pretty lame. :lemon:
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Really? I get the vibe - hard to describe, but street width, building types, and the cars - small and intermediate domestics must have been huge in the region back in the day - Falcons, Darts, and Chevy IIs everywhere, lots of them still around.
It's kind of odd IMO that there's only one import shown in this 1969 photo taken in a West Coast city. The odds would be that a VW Beetle, Renault Dauphine, one of the British sportsters or perhaps a Datsun or Toyota would be in among this many cars on a suburban street.
There's the VW van, anyway. It seems the smaller domestics were pretty big in the region back then. And, it's just a random street...next one over could have been filled with Beetles and Datsuns.
I presume that you guys do not see the VW Golf Estate? Sold in Europe and has occasionally made it to other countries. It is sold in Australia as the Golf Wagon
That's right Graham, the car we know in the USA as the VW Jetta Wagon is sold in Canada, Australia and other markets as the Volkswagen Golf Wagon. Who knows why.
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Yep, I'm not sure why the car in photo lacks the GTO decal and grille-mounted lights. The side exhaust is not stock and the hood scoop is a different design (mis-labeled photo?)
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Truth be told, the '74 GTO wasn't *that* bad for its era. It had a 200 net hp Pontiac 350-4bbl, and with the 4-speed would do 0-60 in about 7.7 seconds. For comparison, the original '64 GTO, with the 325 gross hp 389-4bbl and a stick, was good for 0-60 in around 7.5.
I'm sure the '64 did better in the quarter mile and top speed, though.
Other than the Dart Sport/Duster 360, I don't know if there was much else out there, in this class of car, that would give you that kind of performance. There were still some pretty powerful big-blocks going in the various intermediate and full-sized cars, but those cars were so big and heavy, that I doubt they were any faster.
There was one or two years in there that the Sport/Duster 360 was actually faster than a Corvette!
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The Gremlin GT from the article reminds me of C.A.R.R. from the Adult Swim cartoon "Stroker and Hoop!"
But, for comparison, by that time I think the biggest engine you could get in a midsized Ford was a 400-2bbl with around 166 hp. Chevy's Malibu was down to a 350-4 with 170 hp, and I think the Buick Century Regal were stuck with choked down Buick 350-4's that only had 155 hp! You could still get an Olds 403 in the Cutlass with 185 hp, and the regular Pontiac LeMans/Grand Prix could be had with a 180 hp 400-4bbl, or in CA they got the 403.
Chrysler was still putting out some pretty potent 400's and 440's in '77, but I think they were relegated mainly for police cars. In passenger cars, they were usually tuned more for towing...they could move a lot of weight, but they just couldn't move a lot of weight fast.
A Volare Road Runner or Aspen R/T with the 360-4bbl might be faster though. And I guess a '77 Nova with the 350 wouldn't be too bad.
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Weird mix of copycat cues from BMW and I see a dose of Lincoln in that greenhouse. Surprised it isn't Chinese.
This better?
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GM tried putting a 350 in the Chevy Monza in 1975, and it was choked down to 125 hp. Although even in bigger cars, I think it was down to 140-150 hp by then. From 1976 onward, they went with the 305, which I think usually had around 130-145 hp, although I've heard the best engine choice for this car was actually the Buick 231 V-6. It wasn't much heavier than the 4-cyl, but had more hp and a lot more torque. In those days though, it would probably self-destruct quicker than an Iron duke or Chevy smallblock.
Yup, it's a '48.
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1967 Chevrolet Impala SS
1960 Valiant
1967 Ford Mustang
1963 Chevrolet Chevy II
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Kinda looks like the Ballard area
Also doubles as a police car
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2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Approximately 1969 Ford Cortina Mk II
How much rust does it have?
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I presume that you guys do not see the VW Golf Estate? Sold in Europe and has occasionally made it to other countries. It is sold in Australia as the Golf Wagon
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That's right Graham, the car we know in the USA as the VW Jetta Wagon is sold in Canada, Australia and other markets as the Volkswagen Golf Wagon. Who knows why.
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And the '58 Chevy does look like an Impala (instead of a BelAir) to me.
I do see a '53 Chevy Bel Air and up front a '56 Oldsmobile on the right and a '54 Ford on the left.