Mystery car pix

fintail

It was probably a good time to buy cool 50s and 60s cars, as they weren't worth much.

robr2

Straight up the middle:

Pontiac Catalina
Lincoln Town Car or Mk III
Some sort of ChryCo product - Satellite or Charger
Jeep Grand Wagoneer
Ford Granada
Olds Omega

On the left
Cadillac DeVille
The aforementioned Grand Wagoneer
and do I spot a Vega or Pinto two cars behind the Jeep?

On the right all I can see are a couple of Chevy pickups.

explorerx4

I right clicked the picture and selected view image. If it works or not might depend on what browser you are using.

bhill2

"I'm pretty sure there is a GTO 10 cars back, or 2 cars past the side street on the right. That may not be your type of car either, though."

I can't identify a GTO. There is one that may be an early-mid '70s, in which case, unless it's a very early model of that series it was basically a dress-up package with, maybe, 200-220 hp. A lot better than most of the cars of that era, but no, if I were to get a GTO it would be a model somewhere in the '60s.

bhill2

"It was probably a good time to buy cool 50s and 60s cars, as they weren't worth much."

Oh yeah, Fin; they were basically giving '60s performance cars away. GTOs, Road Runners, SS396s, etc for a couple of thousand dollars. It's enough to make you cry.

andys120

lemko

That's Muhammad Ali, (a.k.a. Cassius Clay) behind the wheel of a 1963 or 1964 Cadillac Eldorado convertible.

texases

"Oh up on the hill? I see it now. Could it also maybe be a 70s Subaru? "

Yeah, that's the one, I guess I should have said to the left of the pedestrian in the road.

Could be a Subaru, I went with 2002 because it's narrow, boxy, with something in the middle of the grill.

But it's DEFINITELY an import.

uplanderguy

That's a '63, as the '64 Eldo didn't have fender skirts. I always liked the lack of a molding smack down the middle of the side, but a wide rocker molding, on Fleetwoods and Eldos of that period. That, and those individual "ELDORADO" letters on the front fenders..very classy.

andys120

uplanderguy

Scoff, but I had a new Celebrity Eurosport, 2.8 MFI, and Goodyear Eagle GT's and the stiff suspension. I borrowed a friend's concurrent Monte Carlo and promptly nearly rolled it over trying to turn at a speed I routinely did in the Celebrity.

That said, looking back, their Monte Carlo was a nicer car IMHO.

explorerx4

Looking at it again, it's on the right, 3 cars behind the lady crossing the street.
It's dark colored and you can see the 2 right side headlights.

fintail

My fintail could probably outhandle the average stock Monte Carlo CL from that era too. Not a high bar

They were plush comfy cars anyway, yeah.

uplanderguy

The 6000 STE was the darling of the mags at the time. I ordered my Celebrity to be the mechanical equivalent, but with two less doors. It was taut, believe it or not.

In hindsight, I prefer the qualities of a Monte over cornering ability, though.

bhill2

Yes, that's the one I was looking at. It is consistent with being a late model GTO (it could also be a LeMans) but the picture isn't clear enough, my monitor isn't clear enough, and I'm not clear enough to tell for sure what it is. Assuming it's a GTO from '70 or even a '71 it might be interesting. After that, the GTO was just a package available on the LeMans, and things went downhill fast.

fintail

IIRC, GM had a knack for good optional upgraded suspensions that made larger cars not so embarrassing to drive hard, and not for much money.

Mr_Shiftright

stickguy

last generation T-Bird?

tmart

Per the grill, it's an MG, no idea of the model.

andys120

The ugliest MG ever made?

Aside from the badge the windshield is straight off an MG-B or C roadster that's hiding under that hideous fiberglass. The hood is quite high so there is probably a big-block V8 under it but who cares.

grahampeters

G'day

NO !

Cheers

Graham

uplanderguy

"IIRC, GM had a knack for good optional upgraded suspensions that made larger cars not so embarrassing to drive hard, and not for much money. "

Yes, Chevy called it "F-41" (I think Olds called it "FE3"). The suspension pieces were cheap enough to buy, but you were forced to also buy the larger tires and wheels separately on the option list. Usually, those filled GM's big wheel openings of the period a lot better, anyway.

fintail

Oh yeah I remember those names. Usually only cost a couple hundred bucks, if that. I think Ford had similar options on large cars, too. Money well spent.

Mr_Shiftright

yes it was an MGB. The creator was tracked down and punished by the MG Club.

texases

" I think Ford had similar options on large cars, too."

I guess they did, but they weren't very successful. I can't remember a Ford sedan review that didn't say something like 'no feel for the road....lifeless steering...etc.'. GM cars with the 'handling' option fared much better.

andys120

grahampeters

G'day

The front end and suicide doors are a late 50's Fiat 1100 but I do not recognize the Station Wagon body. My cousin had a Fiat 1100 as his first car in about 1977. I drove it and think there was something odd about the gear shift, but cannot recall what; maybe it came out of the dashboard.

Maybe a coach built body on Fiat 1100 underpinnings

Cheers

Graham

andys120

Yup, it's a 1959 Fiat Millecento Giardeneria. I don't know if Fiat did their wagon bodies in house back then but 1100s are cool with just about any coachwork.

andys120

andys120

This one has been up for several days. Here's a coupla clues.

-I doubt any were sold on this side of the pond.

-It's one of the fastest production cars ever tested by Top Gear

-They just announced the were shutting down.

-Very un-exotic sounding name.

Going...going...

texases

...here's another:

andys120

That's a Wiesmann MF 3 or MF 30, these were German built and BMW-powered. If they'd resisted the temptation to tack on so many lights it would have been an okay looking car if a bit too self-consciously retro.

Full disclosure: I had to look up the model names but even motorbase doesn't know how many were made.

One more hint: the orange supercar is also German made and has a very Teutonic make name.

robr2

It's a Gumpert.

andys120

Yup, it's Gumpert Apollo, produced until recently in Altenburg, Germany and powered by a modified twin-turbo Audi V8.

The aero package supposedly is so good it could theoretically be driven upside down on the roof of a tunnel if driven at top speed.

texases

Yes, a Wiesmann. I heard about their bankruptcy a day or two after watching a 'How It's Made - Dream Cars' episode about them...ironic...

andys120

stickguy

that an early 80's toyota Starlet?

andys120

Yes, it's a 1981 Toyota Starlet.

andys120

grahampeters

G'day

A lovely Lancia Appia, I think from about 1960. They were renowned for build and engineering refinement.

Cheers

Graham

Mr_Shiftright

Those Appias are such beautiful little jewels. The interiors are as high quality as a Cadillac or Mercedes of the day, and technically just as advanced.

andys120

Yes, it's a Lancia Appia from the Third (and last) Series (1959-63) which dropped the classic upright grille in favor of a more modern horizontal one.

The Appias were highly regarded for their robust construction and as stated above, their technical advancement.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

they remind one of a Volvo 122 but do not share the Volvo's somewhat tractor-like qualities. Not sure I'd want an Appia to get me through a blizzard, though

andys120

lemko

Looks like a 1953 Plymouth. My Grandpop had one.

andys120

Close, Lem it's a 1954 Plymouth Cranbrook coupe.

lostwrench1

Objection!
The 54 had circular parking lights.
The 53 had those as shown.
Objection sustained?

bhill2

Sustained.

andys120

My bad, it's a '53.