Mystery car pix

andys120

stickguy said:

Mid 80s Volvo 780. Bertone coupe.

It's a 1991, last MY for the Volvo Bertone.

stickguy

well, Volvo styling didn't change much year to year!

Mr_Shiftright

andys120 said:

1957 Chevrolet Kingswood Estate?

Nope not a Kingswood.

lostwrench1

'57 Beautiful City?

tmart

57 Chevy 210 wagon?

bhill2

tmart said:

57 Chevy 210 wagon?

I think you're right. You took the plunge that I didn't. I couldn't remember whether Chevy had instituted separate names for wagons in 57.

Mr_Shiftright

Gold star for lostwrench, even if he used the English translation.

It's a '57 Chevrolet Beauville wagon. I think there's even a YouTube film clip of this car's introduction somewhere out there.

Mr_Shiftright

Here's a car I like so much I'm going to give you two photos of it:

Yep, 9 passenger (or maybe 8)

fintail

DeSoto Suburban? "Mr C"s car.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright

fintail said:

DeSoto Suburban? "Mr C"s car.

Who dat?

fintail

Mr. Cunningham (Tom Bosley) on 'Happy Days'. I remember watching an episode when I was a kid (already an old show then) with my dad, and he remarked that the car was very appropriate, as the car would have been a very uncool thing in the mid 50s.

Mr_Shiftright said:

Who dat?

Mr_Shiftright

Yep, it's a 1947 DeSoto Suburban. VERY cool car in 2016 however.

Mr_Shiftright

Cover your eyes.

berri

I kind of like that Packard wagon. Not really all that out there in the mid 50's for the times. Maybe a '56?

Mr_Shiftright

Close, but not a '56. Do you remember the trim name?

berri

So was that 57 Chevy Beauville wagon a Canadian model or a top of the line 4dr wagon that year? I remember growing up one of the kids in my class up the street had a white '58 Chevy Yeoman wagon. I think it was like a Biscayne equivalent. Kind of neat looking to me for the era. Then another neighbor got a '59 Chevy Kingswood wagon. Now that was a colossus with a lot of pieces of glass

berri

Oh, that's right. I don't think Studebaker and Packard actually completed their ill fated merger until the 57 models. The Studebakers were Conestoga's, but I don't recall the Packard wagon name. Pretty rare vehicle I think, even when new.

Mr_Shiftright

I think it was a U.S. model. WIKI (ahem) says that for 1957 the Beauville was only offered in the 210 line and not the Bel Air. It also says that the name Beauville started in 1955, but I've never seen such a car myself.

lostwrench1

1957 Packard Clipper, actually a Studebaker.

berri

I had to go look it up and apparently Packard called it's wagons Clipper's. I wouldn't have guessed they would transfer the previous lower line Packard sedan moniker to their wagons. But I think Clipper was also an aviation term for some old Pan Am propliners, so maybe it made sense at the time.

Mr_Shiftright

Clipper was originally envisioned as a separate low price leader I think,wasn't it? .....when Packard was struggling to be relevant in the 50s.

berri

Yeah, it was supposed to be its Buick competitor so they could put Packard back on par with Cadillac. Personally, while the post war bathtubs were controversial, I think that generic early 50's restyle turned out the lights for them. Buick and Olds, besides Cadillac, were putting out nicely styled vehicles, so buyers weren't interested in plopping down big bucks on something that didn't stand out in their driveway. Also, they were stuck with a straight eight for too long, although they were excellent cars mechanically.

fintail

Valuable too or just cool in an obscure 40s streamlined kind of way? I thought most closed vehicles of that era weren't loved.

Mr_Shiftright said:

Yep, it's a 1947 DeSoto Suburban. VERY cool car in 2016 however.

Mr_Shiftright

Yeah cool in a historical way...a curiosity. Probably the best thing for a car like that is to street rod it.

andys120

Lotsa cars in this one from a wide spread of MYs. What's the newest? The Oldest?

stever

Gotta love Utah cities with streets wide enough to "turn a wagon pulled by oxen without resorting to profanity".

Who knows about the two Bugs - '54 to '67 assuming those are the override bumpers on them.

andys120

Good eye Steve, that's Utah all right, Provo to be exact. I can't recall when Volks went to the taller windshield, I think it was around '58 which would make the white VW parked in the left row a late 50's car. The darker Bug to its right (coming towards camera) could be an earlier model w smaller windshield--it's hard to say.

stever

The Heber/Salt Lake directional signs helped a lot. When I drove them, I could sort of tell the Bugs apart a bit, but no more.

Looked like a bumperless Vette parallel to the darker Bug until I realized it was going in the opposite direction. 1962?

tmart

I spy a 60 Tbird.

lostwrench1

#2 in the parade is a 1956 Plymouth Belvedere.

lostwrench1

Ahaa! Even older, #1 in the parade, a 1953 Desoto.

andys120

lostwrench1 said:

Ahaa! Even older, #1 in the parade, a 1953 Desoto.

You can tell a '53 from a '54?

andys120

stever said:

The Heber/Salt Lake directional signs helped a lot. When I drove them, I could sort of tell the Bugs apart a bit, but no more.

Looked like a bumperless Vette parallel to the darker Bug until I realized it was going in the opposite direction. 1962?

C1s are as hard to tell apart as Bugs. It could be anything from '55 to '59 (it's not a '58--no chrome trunk strips). I wonder where Todd and Buzz are off to?

stickguy

The Chevy nose in right behind the telephone pole looks to be the newest.

fintail

There's a Lincoln which could be as new as the Chevy, on the other side of the VW,

lostwrench1

andys120 said:

lostwrench1 said:

Ahaa! Even older, #1 in the parade, a 1953 Desoto.

You can tell a '53 from a '54?

The '54 had horizontal chrome above and below the side lettering.

Mr_Shiftright

When you're done with Utah, give this one a try. It's not a one-off, they made 30 of them.

lostwrench1

stickguy said:

The Chevy nose in right behind the telephone pole looks to be the newest.

1960.

andys120

lostwrench1 said:

andys120 said:

lostwrench1 said:

Ahaa! Even older, #1 in the parade, a 1953 Desoto.

You can tell a '53 from a '54?

The '54 had horizontal chrome above and below the side lettering.

Let me rephrase that... you can tell a '54 DeSoto from a Chrysler, Plymouth or Dodge? I'm a fan of the '53/'54 Mopars. I always thought they had an elegant look and perfect proportions
compared to the previous gen and frankly the '55-'56 cars mostly looked like crap. But it's hard to tell which brand you're looking at from any distance.

andys120

Mr_Shiftright said:

When you're done with Utah, give this one a try. It's not a one-off, they made 30 of them.

Cisitalia 202 MM Nuvolari or a simlar racing variant of the 202.

berri

I think the 53 Desoto had more teeth in it's grille as well and the 54 had a nicer (imho) dash. 55/56 Mopars, I guess I like the 55 Dodge and Desoto, but there is a lot of different opinion on that I'm sure.

lostwrench1

andys120 said:

lostwrench1 said:

andys120 said:

lostwrench1 said:

Ahaa! Even older, #1 in the parade, a 1953 Desoto.

You can tell a '53 from a '54?

The '54 had horizontal chrome above and below the side lettering.

Let me rephrase that... you can tell a '54 DeSoto from a Chrysler, Plymouth or Dodge? I'm a fan of the '53/'54 Mopars. I always thought they had an elegant look and perfect proportions
compared to the previous gen and frankly the '55-'56 cars mostly looked like crap. But it's hard to tell which brand you're looking at from any distance.

I find the easiest way is to look at the side trim.
Study the different combinations of side chrome strip locations, lengths and numbers. Also note if any side lettering is above or below a side strip or between two.

The '53 and '54 Dodges are easy.
'53 Dodge side strip front to back rises over the back wheel.
'54 Dodge side strip front to back falls toward the back wheel.

andys120

Hey Mr. S., am I right about the Cisitalia?

Mr_Shiftright

Yes you are! Exactly correct. 30 copies made of this car.

Official name would be:

1947 Cisitalia 202 MM Nuvolari Spider

Mr_Shiftright

Here's another "spider" that you may not have ever seen in real life:

andys120

Innocenti 850 Spider, a rebodied A-H "Frogeye" Sprite made in italy under license. Nope, never seen one.

Mr_Shiftright

Very good. Just saw this one on Craigslist of all places!

Mr_Shiftright

OK you guys are too good....I'm going to have to make it tougher for you:

No, it's not a kit car.

stickguy

Scarab?