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I really would like to know what I'm missing here!
Other things being equal, disc brakes are simply superior in terms of stopping distances.
It's kinda similar to carburetion vs FE, OHV vs OHC vs DOHC, etc
I'm sure you can design a drum brake which is more powerful than most discs, but in real world application, that doesn't happen.
Plus, discs are easier to inspect.
Resale is also tricky since if you pay more to start with, it sure better be worth more later on, so resale price is less important than depreciation.
IMO, what hyundai seems to have done is improve enough that it is reasonable to expect it to give service like any other normal car, and in today's world, that means just driving it for a long time with just normal maintenance. As long as I expect that it won't give me any abnormal amount of trouble, i will consider any car.
The value equation comes into play once a car makes the basic cut, but the unltimate deciding factor will be how much I like it. A Camry might last forever without ever putting a dime into it, and sell for more than I paid for it, but I would never buy one because I don't like like the way it drives and it isn't comfortable for me.
I don't own a Sonata, but I would look at it if they offered a stick version with a moonroof. I also consider the Fusion a viable choice, since I like how it drives, and I'm not concerned about long term durability.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Under normal driving, not much more than bragging rights. The front brakes always provide well over half a car's braking. But in sanctioned competition driving, the superior heat dissipation of a rotor over a drum provides for considerably less brake fade - an important consideration when the driver enters a turn at 80 mph or faster and has to bleed speed in a hurry, and needs all four brakes at near peak efficiency. For those who do their car's brakes, disc brake pads are generally easier and faster to remove and replace than conventional brake shoes, though.
I lived there for two years in the past and I don't agree with this statement. Like another person said, they have a well-educated population. I think they have the highest percentage of population with broadband Internet access. Also, in a previous job I competed with Korean companies in another high tech industry and they were very tough competitors.
Which is why I personally believe it's always important to normalize the depreciation to a common unit, such as dollars. Then you can compare any car to any car in terms of their financial impact to the owner. I think that's why Edmunds always breaks it down to dollars. The only problem is that they don't always include all of the available rebates to a potential owner such as valued owner rebate, competitive owner rebate, or a financing rebate. The other issue is that they are predicting how the supply/demand is going to settle up to five years in the future.
If you're not concerned about LT durability of a car, then take a chance on whatever "feels" nice.
For the other 100 million car buyers.......buy a Honda.
They've proven themselves over and over. From cars to motorcycles to generators to marine products - you can't go wrong.
You're right. Any company which can fund the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea (North Korea) to the tune of one million American dollars daily is definitely not a "two-bit outfit".
and I'm not concerned about long term durability. didn't mean that I don't think it is important. Rather, I wasn't concerned that the Fusion wouldn't have it.
let me try that again: I was comfortable that all the choices remaining would have acceptale long term durability, which, IMO, has a lot to do with how you maintain the car also.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
It has to do with Honda quality, value, and pride of ownership.
If you want to feel slighted because I didn't mention Hyundai in my recommendation - feel free.
Honda will continue to outshine its rivals. You can't go wrong owning their products.
No car is perfect. Hondas are really great, but not perfect.
Yes, they were better quality (in some cases) than given credit for, although the '70s and early '80s at least had lousy structural integrity and rusted out badly. But, they tended to be reliable mechanically. A 1974 Datsun 610 was by no means a great car, but it did get better mileage than an LTD, at a time when that mattered!
Hyundai can be looked at as being in somewhat the same postion today. They are making good cars, but still have a stigma, and are trying to measure up to the makers that have the "rep".
There are some differences, of course. Lot's more competition, and ToyHon isn't going to be as arrogant as the big 3 and let them take the market, although in some ways (real cheap cars), they almost did!
korea as a manufacturing force also might be where Japan was in the 60s/70s someplace. Hyundai is a big honking conglomerate, with lots of resources and expertise, so if they get focused on a goal, don't sell them short.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
As for the transmission, could you point us to a link where the problem is said to result in transmission lock up at speed?
Park is not suposed to be used as a parking brake, that's why there is a parking brake in all cars.
Anyway, from 2000-2002, Honda had problems on one of their transmissions and they recalled/replaced all and added a 100k warranty.
True, no car is perfect, Honda is just a bit closer than anyone else.
But Honda never dumped an Excel on the American market.
After the sonata i pretty much concluded that any car will make it 120k
without major failures and as far as resale goes paying 5k more to get 3k later is
not good in my book
My tauras has 90k and it was kinda abused as caught it smoking when my wife drove in and it had no oil a few times over the years...but its been a solid realiable car ...and my mazda 6 only has 3k and not sure how it will fair .
btw, the fusion is a streched mazda 6.....
here sonata is getting a market adjustment taged on which making them same price and accord.I like accord but the mazda 6 blew it away in the feel part plus are all honda dealers jerks.
Just like any other dealership or, uh, burger place or something, some are great at customer service and others are not. That reflects on the individual stores, not what they are selling.
the v4 posts are an attempt to help those less technically knowlegable, from looking bad at the dealer by asking to drive a 'v4' when there is not one available.
So, I'm not at all worried about looking bad at a dealer. They want my money no matter if I say I4 or V4.
I've been looking at the '06 Accord Coupe EX V6 6MT and the Mazda6s very closely, hoping to buy sometime this coming May or June (yeah, it's a bit early). I thought about the new Sonata, but I'm not sure if I like the way the inside looks... sort of bland, plus no option for a manual + V6 and a navigation.
Sportiest in terms of 0-60 but the Mazda will easily catch up to it in the twisties, and won't be too far behind in a drag race either.
What's the torque steer like in the Accord V6 MTX? It's virtually non-existent in the Mazda6 V6 MTX. From what I hear an Altima V6 will nearly rip your arms off trying to keep it straight.
I won't argue the smoothness. The Mazda6 MTX does suffer from a slightly notchy shifter and a clutch with very little feedback. Like everything else though, you get used to it.
I've been looking at the '06 Accord Coupe EX V6 6MT and the Mazda6s very closely, hoping to buy sometime this coming May or June (yeah, it's a bit early).
I'm not sure that he knows that the Accord sedan can be had with the V6 and MTX now.
I'm the opposite of you as there isn't a long straight stretch of road where I live so handling is much more desirable than straight line, "drag race" speed to me. The motor in the Mazda6 is very smooth, quiet, and plenty powerful enough for anyone. It does need some more low end torque which seems to have been addressed by Ford with the version of the Duratec30 in the Fusion. But then, there is no MTX with the V6 in the Fusion which would take it off of the list for me if I were going to consider another sport sedan for my next car. I'm sure the SVT and/or ST versions will fix that little problem though.
Really - says who? I think an Accord is "whatever" its owner wants it to be. If someone craves affordable pretensions of BMW driver oriented design philosphy, who're you to pop his balloon? The Accord V6 with 6-sp. manual, while not actual competition for a 525i, is nevertheless, sufficiently sure-footed that it's an interesting and entertaining mid-size touring sedan for Walter Mitty to fantasize in. Don't believe it? For the Accord naysayers, explore the question why so many reviews attempt to compare the Sonata's handling to the Accord. Like it or not, the Accord is an established benchmark among midsize cars.
How does the Fusion stack up against that?
The cars in this test were the Ford Fusion SEL, Honda Accord EXV6, Hyundai Sonata LX and Toyota Camry.
Ranks:
1) Honda Accord EXv6
2) Ford Fusion SEL V6
3) Hyundai Sonata LX
4) Toyota Camry XLEV6 (no surprises there)
The Accord was fully loaded and had a price tag of over $29K (with the Navi.)
Pretty impressive for a 4 year old car with the highest price tag.
The Sonata was right at $23.9K and didn't include any options.
The Fusion was fully loaded as well, and the Camry was too.
A lot of people will odviously disagree with how they compared the sedans, since the Accord and Sonata have a huge price difference.