2007 Ford Edge

rbaugh

Just hoping they are not putting band aides on issues to get the car out on schedule.

w8tg4edge

I agree that it would be hard not to see this as a very good thing. Ford knows that a bad launch could be another nail in the coffin. As for as the November launch date, it's just another signal to me that they're taking their time and want to make sure that the Edge isn't a band aid covered :lemon: !

w8tg4edge

I was googling to find anything new about the Edge and I found a 15 second teaser video ad and a banner ad on the tv on demand feature of this site:

Link

Wonder why Ford isn't running anything like this in the states?

porciniman

It would be great to see, except those of us in the USA can't view the Canadian 15 second teaser video!

w8tg4edge

It almost fooled me the first time I tried it, but I refused to give up. You probably saw the message about having an Internet connection outside of Canada. In that message window there is a button that reads "Please click here to go to the News". Click on that button and Bingo!

"Patience. Patience."

fsmmcsi

Ford now lists the MKZ mileage as 19/27 for FWD and 18/26 for AWD. Since the Edge weighs 300 pounds more, I'm now guseesing 18/26 for FWD and 17/25 for AWD. What do you think?

vwgolfiii

Do you know why MKZ weighs 300 lbs. less? One would think since it is the more luxury version, it would weigh more.

akirby

MKZ - the 4 door sedan. NOT the MKX.

beerme1

Hey FORD look. This is what real people are thinking. Are you paying attention? Smarten up with the name games.

mschmal

Except for the TC and Navi, the average person on the street cannnot name a Lincoln model.

I guess the thought is to get people to know Lincoln first.

I hate letter names though.

Mark

baggs32

My dad is picking up his new '06 Lincoln Zephyr today. I was with him last week when he picked it out and the salesman, when I inquired about the MKZ, went into a rant about how most people neither like the new name nor even know what it is.

At least they're keeping the two, Zephyr and MKZ, separated by not displaying any of the latter while the former are still around. I can't imagine the confusion that would generate.

frizz2112

The worst part about the new naming scheme is that changing it again in such a short period of time would be an even bigger mistake, and would bring another wave of bad press to FMC. So, we're stuck with MK(?) vehicles for the forseeable future.

I know Lincoln really wanted to get into promoting the Lincoln brand in the spirit of BMW, Lexus, etc, who all use alphanumerics, but one key point is that your alphemumerics have to mean something. In BMW land, the higher the number, the more upscale the vehicle is. Lincoln's naming scheme means nothing, so it's confusing.

This is a bit off topic, but am I the only one who thinks Lincoln blew it big time with the front end of the MKX? There's something "old Chrysler minivan" going on there. I think the Edge is far better looking. It's too bad too; otherwise I'd be in the market for the Lincoln.

alman08

saw one today on a carrier truck. actually, there were 2. a black one and a bronze color one. both looked great.

porciniman

.....and where was this?
And did you see sales stickers on them?

beerme1

He called me and told me they will have one at their new Grand Opening Thursday night. Of course, I'm going out of town Thursday morning! :mad:
He said he still does not have any info on them but will keep me informed. Maybe I will call him back and ask him if it shows up with a window sticker and fuel etc.
I doubt it though. I think he mentioned it was some kind of touring car and the only reason they're even getting it is because of their Grand opening of their new Lincoln Mercury and Mazda showroom.
The Dealer is Towne in Orchard Park, NY. on Southwestern Blvd. for anyone local.

alman08

in northern CA (Sacramento area) and no, didn't see any stickers because that truck was moving and I was driving behind it and first and then around it.

fsmmcsi

I now have a production date - October 23! Given that production starts on October 16, the order I placed on July 24 must have been one of the very first orders.

By the way, I want Bluetooth (a must) and would really like to have XM Nav-Traffic. However, had Ford offered Bluetooth, I would almost surely have done without the Nav-Traffic and just ordered the Edge with the Navation and sound system option. It is difficult to understand why the omitted the Bluetooth option, but it might turn out to be fun installing my own navigation and sound system. The lat time I installaed a sound system in one of my cars was 1983.

ontonag

I placed my order back in July too. I picked the SEL - AWD; Dune Pearl Metallic w/camel interior; Premium pkg+seating flexibility pkg; safety pkg; 18 inch wheels; Vista Roof;and the roll stability option. They didn't have a price on it yet but I guess that dosen't matter because there is no question that I want it. The dealership said they ordered two, one for them and mine. They only got one..mine!!! They said they didn't know how long it would be before they got another. I'm anxious to get it.

w8tg4edge

I ordered mine around the same time, too. I would imagine that mine has to be in the same vicinity timewise as well. Since I got a message earlier this week from a new sales rep (my original one "is no longer with the dealership."), I guess I will take it upon myself to call and inquire.

porciniman

given that there were people who pre ordered their vehicle in july and august, I would assume Ford would want to produce those first, since they would be the first on the road; would help advertise their new product and drive sales.
Thoughts??

rbaugh

Does anyone know if they are going to allow A or X plan discounts with the introduction?

akirby

Very few vehicles have been excluded from A/X plan over the years (big trucks, Cobra, etc.). The problem is that the dealers are not required to accept A or X plan. When the 05 mustang came out you couldn't find a dealer who would do X plan on a GT model. Right now the only model excluded is the Volvo C70 convertible.

If they're selling well and in short supply you may not be able to find a dealer willing to accept A or X plan on one right now.

w8tg4edge

There's an Oakville Employees area on another forum. Here's some news from there:

"...WE GOT BOTH UNITS COMING OFF THE LINE. THE ONES WE'RE BUILDING NOW ARE ARE TO FILL UP THE SYSTEM. JOB 1 IS SCHEDULED FOR OCT 17 2006. DELIVERY IS MID NOVEMBER. HOPE YOU ENJOY THEM THEY ARE THE BEST BUILT VECHILE I'VE SEEN FROM FORD."

Sounds great to me! :shades:

porciniman

Thanks for sharing...everything but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the forum addy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

w8tg4edge

You never know how picky one forum is about mentioning another forum. :confuse: Some allow it and others don't and will delete the OP (offending post.) I'll give it a try.

Here's the Link:

fsmmcsi

Based on the information published by Ford thus far, I have revised my mileage estimates for the Edge downward.

2007 Lincoln MKZ (formerly Zephyr) with the new 3.5 V6 and 6-speed automatic
FWD 3,410 pounds, EPA ratings 19 / 27
AWD weight not given, EPA ratings 18 / 26

The FWD Edge is 663 pounds heavier than the MKZ, so I think that it will be rated 2 MPG less than the MKZ:

2007 Ford Edge with the new 3.5 V6 and 6-speed automatic:
FWD 4,073 pounds, my estimate of EPA ratings 17 / 25
AWD 4,282 pounds, my estimate of EPA ratings 16 / 24

baggs32

You're not taking gearing into account with your estimates. Performance could be sacrificed to save fuel with some simple gearing tweaks. Just wait for the real numbers and try to keep the glass half full until then. :P

famof3kids

Just found this video about the Edge and engineering, and thought would share:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5420854&nav=S6aK

Also, anyone know why this forum isn't listed under the Ford link, but, if you search the forums, you can find it?

fsmmcsi

baggs32, you have a good point, so here is the data from Ford:

2007 MKZ (formerly Zephyr) Overall Gear Ratios (transmission x final drive)
1st 14.4
2nd 8.2
3rd 5.4
4th 4.0
5th 3.0
6th 2.4
FWD 3,410 pounds, EPA ratings 19 / 27
AWD weight not given, EPA ratings 18 / 26

2007 Edge FWD Overall Gear Ratios (transmission x final drive) :
1st 12.4
2nd 8.0
3rd 5.1
4th 3.9
5th 2.8
6th 2.1

2007 Edge AWD Overall Gear Ratios (transmission x final drive) :
1st 14.2
2nd 9.1
3rd 5.8
4th 4.5
5th 3.2
6th 2.3

Perhaps it is enough of a difference to raise my estimates for the Edge to:
FWD 4,073 pounds, my estimate of EPA ratings 18 / 26
AWD 4,282 pounds, my estimate of EPA ratings 16 / 25

The ratios also make it clear that the AWD Edge will be noticably faster than the FWD Edge, since it only weighs 209 pounds (5%) more than the FWD version, but has 14% more torque multiplication over most of the gear range, tapering down to 9% more in 6th gear.

Kirstie_H

kinda weird... I'll report it.

w8tg4edge

I just checked the Edge website and did a Build & Price for the Edge I ordered. There isn't a statement about it being "survey" pricing any longer.

An AWD SEL+ with Pan Roof, Audiophile System, 18" Premium Chrome-clad Wheels, Reverse Sensing & Trailer Towing Package lists out at $34,520 with $675 destination charge for my area. That's around $1,500 less than given previously.

antoninb

Hi folks,

I'm a relative newbie to these forums, and have been following the Edge quite closely. I'm eager to see it hit Ontario - the Edge is on our short list along with a couple of other SUV's.

Here's my concern - I know that Ford is determined to make the Edge the best vehicle that they've released from a feature and quality perspective. Where I start to get nervous is in comparing that objective to their goals around cost cutting via staff reductions. Can anyone who is far more knowledgeable comment on this? I wouldn't expect Ford to directly impact the Edge production line, but cuts could impact other areas that could easily be observed by a customer such as myself. Thanks! Ant.

fsmmcsi

The press release on media.ford.com and the summary I printed when I used the build and price section of the Ford website both show that the 9 speaker sound system is standard on the SEL. I hope so, but I doubt it. The interior summary shows that the steering column tilts, but it does not mention that it telescopes. The order guide shows that it tilts and telescopes. Is this the best Ford can do? They need to get everything correct and matching.

Has anyone seen the invoice prices?

beerme1

Mine still prices out over 36K 36,400 to be exact.
I'm not paying more than 30 for this car so I hope they are still tinkering with this site.
Funny thing is for me that's about what it priced out as when I didn't include the side air bags and roll stability. So no change for me but the bags and RSC are no longer options and the future options screen is gone too.
I seem to remember they had a remote start on that. Maybe that was on the Acadia. I don't know anything anymore but my head is hurting.

fsmmcsi

beerme1 - what else do you think you could buy which has all of the features and functions of the Edge (e.g. CUV design, side air bags, stability control, a new state of the art V6 and new state of the art 6-speed automatic, a modern interior with plentiful and useful storage, the good handling it should have, the quietness Ford talks about, Etc.) and costs less? I know of no such vehicle.

Ford does offer remote start as an accessory. It is easy to install yourself, or have the dealer do it.

The GMC-Acadia/Saturn ??/ and Buick Enclave triplets are far larger and heavier than the Edge, so I think it will be impossible for them to handle as well, accelerate as well, stop as well, and achieve good real-world fuel mileage.

beerme1

Sorry if my post sounds harsh. It's not meant to be.
But, (ah yes but) the remote start I had the dealer install on my 05 Mariner is not good enough for what I paid them and it took away the emergency feature. Factory built and this would not happen.
I do realize the Acadia will be heavier, bigger and probably more money too.

I do not expect to pay what the web site says assuming it is showing sticker price. I paid sticker once a long time ago when I was younger and got taken by a shady dodge dealer. But my point is I would expect it to be cheaper.

ANT14

LINK

cowbell

Wow, 36,400. I went to the web site, and you must have selected almost every single option. I picked every possible option, and it maxed out at 36,775.

As for MSRP, I imagine like most cars, you can get it for under, but don't expect thousnads of dollars off like on an Explorer. For what I can gather, the Edge was priced closer to it's true value in an attempt to stop using discounts as a sales gimmick.

akirby

Discounts aren't a sales "gimmick" - they don't intentionally price the car too high. If they were able to sell them without big discounts they would - like the Fusion/Milan/MKZ. But if you're building more than people are buying you have to drop the price to move them out. The solution is to cut production and only produce the number of vehicles that people are willing to purchase at a profitable price.

The key is supply and demand. Shelby GT500 mustangs are very short in supply and very high in demand, so the first ones are selling for $20K over MSRP. A v6 mustang can be had for close to invoice minus a small rebate.

Since the Edge/MKX are likely to be very popular and in high demand initially don't expect big rebates or big dealer discounts.

blstanle

I find it interesting that the press releases are comparing the base Edge SE to the base Murano S and saying how much cheaper it is. In fact, they are not comparing apples with apples in this case and a better comparison would be the base Edge SEL and the base Murano S. The base Murano S comes with power driver seats, dual automatic climate control, 18" wheels, 7" LCD information center etc. Some of these options are only available on the SEL. For me, I was hoping the pricing was going to be more in line with the Mazda CX-7 since that is currently on the top of my list.

exalteddragon1

the edmunds article on the Mazda CX-9, I could not help to wonder why they failed to mention that Mazda's new 3.5L V6 is actually Fords new duritech 35? The HP it makes is identical to the lincoln Zephyr and 2 shy of the Edge,

also, I can't help but wonder why everyone one the planet know that Fords new triplets are based on the mazda 6, yet not too many are willing to mention this...

Also, on the Mazda it says VVT, but i read someware that says fords 3.5 does not use it, or uses a modified version of it. I know they could tune the engine to mazda specs, but its still the same thing.

Am i wrong? Thanks.

akirby

Different companies use different names for changing the valve timing. Variable Valve Timing, Variable Cam Timing, Variable Cam Phasing, VTEC - it's all basically the same thing accomplished a few different ways.

The Ford 3.5L does use it on the intake valves, like most implementations.

mschmal

This is a legitimate comparison because it represents the price of entry.

Mark.

murfdog

This car is now officially off my list. At those prices there are plenty of cars to chose from. I was looking at this because I thought the honda/toyota's I was looking at were too expensive, but they are cheaper then this.

Oh, well, enjoy it. If they want people like myself to buy a Ford they need to lower the price. I owned one Ford in the past and it had a lot of problems compared to any other car I have bought.

I would try them one more time if the price was worth the risk but this price is not. In order to get people to switch back to them from toyota/honda, they have to set the prices low to get them in and then surprise them with quality.

akirby

If you're just going on price, then yes - there are plenty of cheaper vehicles. But I don't think you'll find an apples to apples competitor that's significantly cheaper.

beerme1

While I agree with that, my 05 Mariner Premier fully loaded cost me 23K and change. Stickered at 29 or something. I do not think despite some obvious differences and improvements that a loaded 07 Edge should cost me 7 grand and more than my current car.

mschmal

EDGE PRICING EMPHASIZES VALUE

You will immediately notice Edge has a strong pricing plan that closer aligns MSRPs to expected transaction prices. Edge pricing provides your dealership with an aggressive base Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $25,995 which includes destination and delivery. This base price positions Edge as the best consumer value among modern styled crossover vehicles with V6 powertrains.

Edge FWD Edge AWD

SE $25,995 $27,645

SEL $27,990 $29,640

SEL 'Plus' $29,745 $31,395


And the value continues with well-equipped packages! We also offer SE and SEL equipment value packages that provide increased vehicle content with more value for the consumer:

Series/Array MSRP

SE Convenience Package $295

SEL Seating Flexibility Pagckage $985

SEL Premium Package $1,555

SEL 'Plus' (Seating Flex + Premium Packages) $1,755

This is more than a RAV4 or CR-V but both those vehicles compete more directly with Escape. Escape is less than a comparably equipped RAV4.

Edge competes against the Murano and the Highlander...And do give me the Highlander has a 3rd row quip because if you call that a real seat, you obviously never sat there.

Edge will be thousands less than a Murano or a Highlander.
Incidently Highlander only gets the 3.3L engine also.

Mark.

porciniman

Mark, I'm purchasing an Edge using the "X" plan.
I was wondering if you could give a discount percentage figure on the "A" plan pricing??????
From what I've gleaned, "X" plan pricing seems to be 4% above "A" plan (pricing that appears in the lower right hand corner of the dealer invoice) plus $150.
How does one see the dealer invoice price with the "A" plan??
Thanks, VB

w8tg4edge

Close to the Edge

mschmal

ON FORDS, x-PLAN IS WITHIN $100 OF INVOICE.