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2007 Ford Edge
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I heard pricing will start at around $27k to around $35k.
I also heard that the CX-7 is not off of the same platform but rather off of the Mazda6 platform. True?
I also heard that the 4x4 system in the Mazda will be different. True?
Mark.
I've addressed this discussion before where there's no set amount of modifications/tailoring/engineering done to a platform, that allows it to be called "all new", so all depends upon how the manufacturer states it. And itself, there's no "Yes or No" answer to it because again, there's no industry standard as to what is required to call it, "different".
Months ago, Honda stated the Ridgeline was designed upon totally new platform. IN reality, it's derived from the Pilot/Oddysey which itself stems from the U.S. Accord, but don't tell that that because it upsets them, but then again, it's understandable since there's no set criteria.
It's not like someone can say "Well if the wheelbase is increase" or "if the mounting points of the suspension" or "if the firewall width or height is altered" etc... Such criteria would allow everyone to have a clear understand of what is really redesigned, and what is really "all new".
Ironically, there's numerous asian competitors which state "All new", yet, only the wheelbase, increased tracks f/r, and thicker steel used in some structural points, and they deem it all new. So, you be the jury.
In retrospect, is the CX-7 built upon a new platform, I would say 90% of it is, but uses the "philosophy" of the C1 platform (at least in it's frontal structure), for the end result.
Will we see other vehicles stem from this sort of platform, Yes... It might LAND her at any moment. Is it 626 derived? Not at all. Does it share anything with the CD3 (Edge and MKX) Various things, but not enough to call them twins (A'la Tribute/Escape/Mariner).
The 4x4 system in the Mazda is suited differently because of the drivetrain associated with it.
I'll see if I can find you a link that explains/describes 6-Sigma, and what their role is specifically.
I'd say this is a positive step on the road to recovery. Late? Maybe, but its a start.
In a nutshell - 6 Sigma is a quality assurance initiative to reduce defects to zero. Sigma is the standard deviation of the processes variation. 6 Sigma means the variation is so minute that you will have plus & minus 6 standard deviations (of process variation) within the tolerance established for the process.
There's cost reduction also, from reduced scrap, and better material flow. I'm a quality engineer for bearing manufacturer that is tier one to the OEM's. We don't have any 6 Sigma Black Belts at our plant. They're certified experts in implementing 6 Sigma systems and can make upwards of $150K/annually.
Hope this helps.
I actually like the Freestyle a lot. It is a quite practical car, and during the Employee Pricing Fire Sale the prices were very good. But Ford is going to move the Freestyle over to Mercury, so I guess the price will go up.
Not anymore. Automotive News announced this week that Ford has decided to keep the Freestyle. I don't know if Mercury will get a version, but the Freestyle will be in the lineup for years to come.
I'd like to see it stay with Ford. That means a lower price tag
As far as the argument about the Freestyle & Edge in competition, that's like saying the Corolla & Camry are in competetion because they both seat 5. The Camry is bigger & more expensive and can seat 5 a whole lot more comfortably than the Corolla. Similarly, an Edge with 3 rows may be able to seat 7, but then the Freestyle could seat 7 a whole lot more comfortably since it's bigger, and it would cost more.
In my opinion, any SUV, CUV, crossover, etc that doesn't offer a 3rd row will be in the minority, and I think that's great. It's good to have the option (especially with a fore/aft sliding 2nd row) of fitting in a couple of extra people/kids, particularly on these types of vehicles.
What does this mean?
Mark.
Thanks
However I do agree that the FreeStyle should get the Edge nose job and some tiding up on its side flanks. Then with the five seat Edge and the six/seven seat FreeStyle (with the 3.5l) Ford will have a good combination os CUVs.
Incidently I own a Freestyle and I am interested in the Edge/MKX just so you know my point of view.
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I think you're exactly right. Ford has decided to keep the Freestyle...maybe for the reason you mention. The Freestyle will be the more "practical" family vehicle and the Edge will be the sportier vehicle for small families or couples. Sporty vehicles usually don't haul seven.
Think of a super large wagon on steriods, with three captain chairs in the middle and a split 2/1 three row bench in the third row. Also add AWD, a 4.4 or 5.3l V8 with cylinder deactivation and a bunch of other fun stuff and it would be a very interesting vehicle. The styling would have to be right as well.
There for the majority of us who do not want the truck like SUVs we could opt for:
5 seat Edge
6/7 seat Freestyle
7/8 seat Gladiator Wagon (TM)
Could be fun...
I can attest to that. When I bought my Fusion a few months ago I got the normal Ford quality survey, but then I got a survey from an outside agency that I was able to complete online. The amount of detail was staggering. Instead of asking about squeaks and rattles they asked specifically what type of squeak or rattle and from what area of the car. That one question had 30-40 potential answers.
I only had one complaint - a skunky smell (literally) from the HVAC which I think is just that - some skunk got under my car during shipping and sprayed it. You can also smell it under the hood when the engine is hot.
A couple of weeks later I received a phone call from the survey company and spent 15 minutes describing every aspect of the problem.
Ford does seem to be serious about quality.
Thanks for your help.
http://www.subaru.com/allwheeldrive/ver2005/index.jsp
Let me be specific. Is the Edge getting a Haldex AWD unit and if so, is it the current generation, or the previous generation which is on the 500/Freestyle.
Mark.
That smell you smelled is a petrolium product put on the exhaust manifold to prevent rust. It burns off in a couple days. My Mazda6 had it as well. And, I'm sure you know, the Fusion and Mazda6 share the same engines. The 2.3L is a Mazda, and the 3.0L is a Ford engine
And sometimes when you take an existing system and upgrade it with a few other items on your own, then their name isn't carried or bragged about either....
Everything else about the car seems super.
Here was my specs.
2007 Edge SEL AWD
Total Price: $33,470.00
Package: SEL
Drivetrain:: AWD
Exterior Color & Interior Trim
- Pewter Met
- Med Light Stone
Special Packages
- Seating Flexibility Package + Premium Package
- Safety Package
- Convenience Group
Wheels
- 18 inch Painted Aluminum Wheels
Radio
- Audiophile AM/FM In-dash CDX6/MP3 with Steering Wheel Audio Controls
Options/Upgrades
- SIRIUS™ Satellite Radio with 6 month prepaid subscription
- AdvanceTrac® with Roll Stability Control
- Reverse Sensing System
- Roof Rack Side Rails - Black
Future Options (not included in Total Price)
- Bluetooth Hands-Free Phone Integration
It is interesting that they are also asking for input on options beyond the 2007 model year. Very clever! What would your build be?
To me, the Edge is a sportier looking and smaller version of the Freestyle, much like the Escape is a sportier and smaller version of the Explorer, but I wouldn't pay the same price for both!
I have a Freestyle right now, and I think the ride height is perfect. No climbing up or dropping down into the seat.
I am glad to see the 8". Although I don't go off road I often use dirt roads which don't get plowed when it snows and I like the extra height when I can get it.
They should offer adjustable ride height or air suspension as an option to meet your requirements as you are probably not alone in this complaint.
I think for what the Edge is it is priced below competitors so I'm not sure why people are thinking it's expensive. Go price out a Lexus RX330 and then get back to us.
So my guess is that the MarkX (I hear that is now the new name after Acura sued them over MKX being too close to MDX) will be about 6K over a loaded Edge, say about $39K. Thats a lot of money, but its comparable to Acura's MDX and undercuts (i think by some margin) BMW's X3.
Of course I could be totally wrong....
At that money I am beginning to think the Zephyr AWD will be a better choice at about $33-34K as we already have the Freestyle for our utility...
I state the edge is expensive as its top end models will be about the same cost as the top end models of the Freestyle. I am fine with it starting at about $25k but what was annoying was the fact the adding basic safety features like ABS (its not standard!) and side air bags start to bump up the price considerably. If its topped out just under $30k I would be happy but at $33-34k its beginning to look like Ford will be needing incentives to move these...
As for comparing the Edge in price against the Lexus RX330 you are totally missing the target demographic for this car. This car will be up against the likes of the Murano and Equinox, and it will be up to the Lincoln MarkX to take on vehicles like the RX330 - totally different price points.
K.
The name was ALWAYS Mark X - that hasn't changed. But it was written MK X (just like the MK VII, MK VIII, etc.). The lawsuit is still pending. They might be able to settle it by spelling out Mark like they do on the Mark LT.
The "rounder" CUVs are the hot ticket right now in my opinion and the price will reflect the trend somewhat. This is just my opinion.
I think the Freestyle is a great vehicle for moderately big families because it has more room, but I think the Edge will catch the attention of singles (unless they all go after the Mazda CX7), couples and families with only one kid maybe. The Freestyle isn't going to be high on the list of any single young childless twenty-somethings though. Again this is just an opinion.
May be an opinion but it is probably fact as well... If it was not for the fact that my family has one toddler and we were planning on getting another, we would never have bought a Freestyle. My wife would have liked to have stayed in her Audi A4 wagon, but it was just too small. For a people hauler that is not a van or a cumbersome full size SUV the Freestyle is a wonderful car. It one major failing is its lackluster styling. To this day I still have buyers doubt wondering if we would have done better with a Pacifica. I know the Freestyle is the better car (that's why we bought it) but the Pacifica just looks so much nicer!
Anyway back to Edge discussions...
As far as the 3rd row being "useless" in the Highlander and some other similar types of vehicles, maybe useless for adults, but works for kids, and I've said before the I'd like to have the option of taking a couple of extra kids with me than driving two vehicles someplace.
And as far as comparing the Edge to RX330 or Murano, just because the outside style is the same, doesn't mean that they're in the same class for handling, quality, etc. That's like saying that if a Kia has the same outside "looks & shape" of a BMW, then they're both in the same class.
I just think that if you have the Escape, Edge, Explorer & Freestyle all sitting on the Ford lot and if they're all about the same price, you can expect them to compete against each other.
Seeing that got be thinking (a dangerous thing...)
We can not call the Edge a crossover. Its is clearly an SUV! Why? Well its name begins with an E. Its in the E company, Escape and Explorer, definately an SUV. Perhaps that is why it will ride higher that the FreeStyle, which is clearly a car as it starts with an F. Its in the F company, Fusion, Five Hundred....
Perhaps the crossover should start with another letter? G perhaps. The Freestyle should be the Ford Galaxy...
They already did - it's called the Mark X (for now).
I'd agree there for the most part. But if you look at an Escape & Edge and the Edge costs $5K more, then that's a lot to pay for the styling. Plus the only way Ford is going to get back into the market is to keep prices low.
And if they made the Freestyle a little sportier, they could market it to single young childless twenty-somethings as a vehicle to haul a bunch of your friends around in. It's not that much bigger than the Edge, but a lot more practical.
Now, ford needs an entry level suv/cuv below the Escape. A smaller 4cyl that bases for about 15k. Ford had a good run raking in the profits on those big SUVs but the party's over. Now the action is smaller, more economical and slimmer profits per vehicle.
I look at the same relationship between the Edge & Freestyle, which are both crossovers, with the Edge being like the Fusion wagon-crossover-CUV and the Freestyle being the Ford 500 wagon-crossover-CUV.
That's why when I look at the cost of the Escape, Explorer & Expedition being from low to high, but then the Edge & Freestyle cost being the same, that's where it gets confusing to me.
But maybe I'm just looking at it wrong.