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2007 Ford Edge



  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    " I just need some thing from the Ford group that has that and is not a V-8 and is not the Freestyle, which she does not like"

    How about, the Mercury version of the Freestyle ? (Meta One concept with the 3.5L V6), it's due about one year from now. That's IF the vehicle overcomes what she didn't like about the Freestyle.
  • Ant,
    Isn't the Meta One Concept coming out next year with the power train from the concept vehicle? If not, I'm going to be disappointed... (Twin turbo diesel) This may turn me off to Ford forever.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Because of a powertrain ?

    Diesel poses many challenges in the U.S., hopefully with low sulfur fuel being introduced, it'll "help", but not be able to pass certain states standards. The components/filter techonology to control particular matter for soot in it's disposal is improving substantially.

    The concept showed a possible senario, that it wished to introduce but if current legislation limits certain emmissions for diesels, then it might pose an issue.

    Ford has a diesel team here in the U.S. (and has for awhile) studying, researching, developing... dedicated to such products.
  • I think the Mercury Meta One will end up with the 3.5L and a 6sp. Since Ford is dropping the Freestyle, I would anticipate a change to the Freestyle's sheetmetal with the Meta One's rollout.

    I does not appear Ford is quite ready with any new diesels. From the announcement of the 3.5L to production has been a long time. At this rate, I would not expect to see a diesel in a car before 3 years minimum.

    (for ANT14)
    The boys over at the seem to think that the full size SUV market will shrink to 1/4 of the peak. What do Ford's researchers think? (ANT14)
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Ford's research done numerous years ago, shows just that. In fact, it cataloged future trends and such well into 2009-2012. And yes, it understand that it will be shrinking or, surplanted by CUV's moreso. The introduction of a B-class vehicle was studied a good 4-5 years ago in preperation for 2008-2009 because of the prediction of higher gas prices.

    Ford has publically reported all this in the past.

    The first diesel you will see will appear in a LD F-150 as currently planned.

    P.A.G. is developing some diesels that can be inter-used with other vehicle in the Ford family of brands.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
  • ANT14

    I have seen some of the pictures of the Ford Edge. One of them looks very good, modern and "edgy" I liked it a lot. The other one on another web site looks like another version of the 427 concept or the grill of the Fusion. What gives? Do you know which look they are going for?

    Second, I travel a lot. In south America and in Europe, Ford makes cars that people appreciate and pay top dollar for, like the Japenese cars. Why doesn't that happen here. The Mondeo car should be introduced here. It's a beautiful car with distinctive styling. ANother nice one is the KA, a very small car which would be perfect against Hyundai or the Scion. Anyway, Ford builds some nice cars that don't seem to make it in the American market
  • I have always been puzzled by the fact that America seems to get inferior Ford products as related to Europe. Back in the 90's I traveled to London and and was amazed at how much nicer and more upscale the European Fords were. Even models like the Mondeo and Focus, which had mechanically similar if not identical counterparts in the states, seemed more upscale. While I realize that in Europe people are willing to pay a lot of money for a highly equipped small car, where in the states people will only pay so much for say, a Focus, this does not completely explain the disparity. Even recently Ford decided that America will not get the all new Focus Europe is getting; instead we get a freshened version of the car that's been around since it's introduction, and we'll have it a couple years more before anything is done. I'm sure there are all kinds of financial arguments for this approach, but meanwhile, the competition is putting their best stuff on sale in America. Ford needs to do the same across the board.

    That said, I think that sketch of the Edge is terrific. I thought the Fusion was nice, but could have taken the bold styling a step further. The front and of the Edge seems to do that. I'll be watching this car closely for sure...
  • I guess the website did not get updated with the 3.5L powertrain because Mercury is still touting the release of the Meta One (now called Magellan from what I understand) as Nov 2006 and with the diesel engine. (under Future vehicles)
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 5,716
    I'd like to see AdvanceTrac and side airbags offered on more vehicles (cars and pickups, not just SUV's). Is that something that's likely to happen in the future?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687

    Ford is riding on the looks of the Fusion, for the styling of the "Edge". Which is the Gillette Mach3 grill of how I refer to it. The vehicle will debut at the NAIAS show, and the official sketch released by Ford, is the most accurate one.


    The Mondeo WAS here, it was called the Contour. And because of it's interior dimensions, and hefty pricepoint it needed to be assembled as, it wasn't the "World Car" Ford was hoping for. Then in the next generation of Mondeo (internationally), it grew which would have solved the interior space issues, but still expensive to produce overall.

    The Ka would have a hard time passing federal crash standard, I believe the smallest vehicle Ford can release in the U.S. is something Fiesta sized, which is a "B" segment vehicle, which will debut in a bit over a year/2. Unfortunately for those vehicles, to make them profittable, would require importing them from the Bahia Plant in Brazil, which is currently being upgraded and working 3 shifts to produce the Ecosport mini-ute. Anytime you import vehicles assembled in another country, you run issues with the U.A.W. But it's the only way to build the vehicle profittably.


    Europe is a cut-throat market. Automaker's scramble just to hold onto a 10% market share. I've always stated that competition, makes good vehicles...better. And that's something we'll start seeing more of here with domestic manufacturer's as they increase quality and reliability.


    Yes, the vehicle will start smack dab with the 3.5L DuratecV6.


    It will, slowly it'll be phased in to vehicles as they are introduced.
  • ottavottav Posts: 31

    So the Magellan will appear in Fall 2006 as a 2007 model? Does that also mean that the 2006 MY will be the last for the Freestyle?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    2006 is the last year for the Freestyle, I guess I will add it to my list because I'm hoping Ford will pile on the incentives and I can get a fully loaded Limited model for less than the cost of a Sienna XLE. (I really want the Sienna Limited, but its hard to spend $40,000 on a mainstream branded car, even if it does feel like a Lexus)
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687

    Yes, you can say that...Unless something happens that would alter that by a few months delay. You could have a Spring 2007 introduction, as a 2008 model if there is such a delay.


    I wouldn't count on it, that's still pending review. Freestyle sales have picked up recently as Explorer drivers have been shifting. The acceptance of the Edge will first need to be studied, before anything is finalized. Plus the conclusion of another concept vehicle which is currently in the customer research group pending opinions, and where that'll be placed in position to the Ford brand offerings.

    As for piling on incentives, I highly doubt it. All Ford needs to do is flick a switch to change the line to produce the new Mercury "Magellan/Meta One". You only get the major rebates/incentives when there's a large quantity of a specific vehicle, at the factory parking lot awaiting deployment.

    The Chicago assembly plant is a flexible plant, which allows Ford to increase the number of a specific vehicle (F/M/500) that's selling the most, over the one that might not be selling the most.

    Case in point...
    It controls resale value since there's "Just enough" vehicle out there.
    controls increased inventory of vehicles just waiting around to be shipped and sold.
    Unwanted vehicles are taking up space in dealerships for long.
    You don't drive down the value with massive incentives.

    If you want a hint of a vehicle that might need heavy incentives. Check out how many factories produce the vehicle, what other vehicles are built in that same factory.

    An example of this, the new 2006 Explorer/Mountaineer. Previously 2 factories, now just one is needed, not more. And since one factory makes 2 products, it'll easily produce more of one model if the other isn't selling well.
  • ottavottav Posts: 31
    Since the Meta One was designed before Horbury really took over design, can we expect to see major changes in the look of the vehicle from the concept? I think in order for it to be successful, it has to stand out, in both design and features.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956

    It never hurts to be hopeful...

    But I guess if I wanted a car piled with incentives I'd go hunting for a Mercury Monterey...
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Any idea where this car is coming in price wise? I'm guessing from about 25 to 30 to slot between Escape and Explorer.

    Is the CX-7 replacing the Tribute? If so, will it be cheaper than the Edge?

    I would like to see the Edge slid in under the Murano. IMHO, the Murano is the best regular vehicle that Nissan sells in this country. And the Crossover all others are measured by.

    Also is Edge going to use "Smart Key" technology? Nissan offers this in the Murano and Mazda offers it in the Mazdaspeed6.

  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687

    It has a bit of everyone's influence but it'll definately have more of an angular look to the front, but with some soften edges. The Milan comes to mind, with some Fusion edging.


    Pricewise it'll slot between the Escape and Explorer, but also overlap some of those pricepoints as well, although that's still not set in stone yet. All depends on packages and such.

    It's safe to say that more of the higher trim versions will be allocated. The 500/FS/Fusion/Mgo has taken Ford by surprise since many of the upper trim levels, have sold above levels not expected. I keep repeating, if you option the car well, people are willing to pay for the upgraded items, Navi, etc.

    Yes, the Tribute dies. No, doesn't cost anyless, the Mazda version might be a bit more actually....and longer warranty :)

    Last minute details, like Navi systems, stereos and other toys have yet to be finalized.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    What I don't get about Ford and its Navigation system is that you can't get it on the rebate packed, value priced (due to those rebates) Mercury Monterey, and if you try to get it on a Freestyle you have to get a Limited, which pushes the price near Odyssey and Sienna levels.

    ANT, is there any chance Ford will start offering Navigation on the Freestyle SEL before it dies? How about the Monterey?

    And which trimlines will Navigation be offered on for the Edge?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    That hasn't been decided yet, still being worked out.
  • Ant,

    Would you happen to know anything about whether or not Ford will produce an SVT Fusion or will Hau Tai-Tang get mad if anything was to be revealed?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    agreed, but if it can be almost $14,000 less than a Sienna I think I would just take the Monterey and use the money saved to get something else...
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    There is that possibility. Let's disect this idea...

    Plans are still to make a Fusion ST270, which will feature a 270 3.5L V6, one that makes a bit more power than the regular Fusion. IF SVT wishes to do more to it, to SVT-fy it, then so be it. Although the power limitations for the Fusion will be set at 290HP mainly because of the transmission.

    Unless, another transmission is retrofitted to allow for more power, in FWD/AWD configuration. So then if we look at the transmission inventory, not many options....unless, there's manual version. And even then, there's not a viable alternative (Volvo S60R's comes closest).

    So outsourcing might be possible, but then the price starts escalating...

    But this isn't to say, it's not possible.
  • redboneredbone Posts: 11
    The spy shots I've seen of the Edge or Aviator, appear to have a SIRIUS antenna above the wind shield. Does anyone know when they will be available on the Montego though I'm leaning towards the Aviator awd. Is the Aviator to be on sale in spring and what is price range? What other Ford names will have Sirius radios this year?
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Will the Aviator offer 3 rows of seats? Has Lincoln determined pricing yet?
  • ottavottav Posts: 31
    Will the advent of the Magellan spell the demise of the Mountaineer? Is there room in Mercury's stable for two 7-passenger vehicles?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Like many other vehicles in Mercury's stable, their sales are needed to sustain the corporate offering. Hence, yes. There is a market for BOF SUV's, and a unibody crossover. The Mountaineer isn't going anywhere for the time being.
  • bruneau1bruneau1 Posts: 468
    The FWD weighs over 4700 and the AWD over 5000. For a 3.6 V-6 that's too much. Yes, I have driven one. It's a very good vehicle in all respects, but too heavy compared to others in its class. Why must everything get bigger and heavier? Oh, I forgot, we live in America. But some day this indulgence will come to an end. Imagine the performance and mileage if the Acadia weighed 500 pounds less.
  • ottavottav Posts: 31
    I saw the December sales results today, and the Freestyle had another good month. Is Ford hoping that buyers will migrate to Mercury and buy the Magellan once the Freestyle is discontinued and help Mercury's sales figures grow?
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