Pontiac G6 Hardtop Convertible

sobeg6

It's quite simple... you get what you pay for... and I'm sorry I ever purchased the G6 convertible. It would take A LOT for me to consider buying an American car again. I tried it and really tried to work with it.. but the car's are just not the same. With that being said I'm sorry I settled and did not go with my gut. Glad I was able to trade in at decent price and get 2K back on extended warranty and SO MUCH happier with my Cooper S convertible, not a hard top.. but who cares It's garaged! I never thought I could like such a small car but what power and handling.. I do not regret getting rid of the G6. Good luck to all that are keeping the car and glad to hear some of you are happy!

hal56

26k--the sticker on a fully equiped g6 convertible is 32k--but more important is the lease comparison. BMW not really all that much more buy you get far more.

But GM has repeatedly shown it is incompetant. I rented a POS equinox in florida last week. Just a terrible vehicle.

GM by now should have building a car down pretty good, but why can't it make a car without rattles in the door and if it has a rattle do something abt it.

Same crap about the engine and tranny--it does not cost that much more for a 6 speed AT or a more powerful engine.

Sam eof rthe all in one stereo with tinny speakers.

GM and pontiac are just saying they want the cheap end for themselves and cheap is more than price.

as for gm bitching that med cost and retiree costs are too high per car--perhaps GM should find a way to sell more cars.

ther eis a reason why gm lost market share--a big drop in market share. And the g6 is indicative of that.

I will say again--a "nice car" but not outstanding in any area.

jgbeane

I was told that a store called "Toys with Noise" can do anything you want in a radio. I am sure they can rig you mp3 jack.

yamawho

Check out #241 for details on the $320 per month lease. The car is not the greatest, but it is a reasonable payment for a drop top that looks pretty nice. Unfortunately, now my A/C is not working properly. Have not been back to a dealer yet, but hope it is an easy fix for them. I guess I will post what happens next...
good luck to all the G6 HTC owners and lessees!!

starfighter1

I get a new car every two years and usually drive cars around 60K in price. My new job does not require a car so I bought a G6 loaded for 27K to have some fun in the sun. I understand many of the complaints that people have posted here but frankly I have had far more serious problems with my Lexus and Mercedes. I consider my G6 to be an outstanding car for the money. The few problems that I had were taken care of in one visit to the dealership. Having had cars with navigation, bluetooth, voice command, cooled seats is really nothing great and I have grown to appreciate the simplicity of not having some of these features. The G6 is really a nice machine.

bxd

I said you could get a basic G6 HTC for $26k. There's $2250 in rebates now. So even if the dealer doesn't lower his selling price whatsoever you're under $30k for a loaded one.

How in the world could a $30k car lease for about the same as a $50k car?? I assume you are going to tell me it's because of the BMW's better residual value but it's only better by a couple percentage points. Either the down payments are different, the length of lease is very different, or the monthly payments are very different. Otherwise a G6 and a 3 series are in completely different payment ballparks.

As far as the door rattle, I feel bad for you, I really do. I just bought a new vehicle recently, and if it had a door rattle, I'd be very disappointed, and angry that the dealer isn't doing anything.
But I bet if you checked out 10 G6's, you wouldn't find another with the same rattle.

My point is your dealer SUCKS, and you need to try another one. Isn't there another pontiac dealer you could try?

If this rattle is inside the door and doesn't have to do with the top, take it to a Chevy dealer (malibu is similar to G6) or a Saturn dealer (they work on the Aura, a true sibling car to the G6).

Yes GM messed up with the rattle you have, but your G6 isn't "indicative" of how they all are. It is fixable. You need to find someone who cares enough to do it right. And I agree, it sucks that YOU feel like YOU have to do all the legwork, get in their face, or the fact that you even have to "find a good dealer". It all stinks, but unless you have money to just throw around, spending ONE day going to another dealer, even if it's an hour away, certainly sounds like the best choice to me.

Find a better dealer!!!!

aaamorris

The G6 is so inexpensive (relatively speaking) that my original plan was to buy it for my weekend car and get something larger and more high end for my commute driving. However, I have become a complete top down guy. Driving a car with a top that can't be lowered now seems like a bizarre concept. It would be a waste to buy another car because I would always drive the G6. I'm approaching 5000 miles with none of the problems that a few have complained of in this forum. Some posters have wished for an mp3 input. I plug a FM transmitter into the socket in the arm rest console, run the wire out the notch in the side (good planning GM) and plug it into my mp3 player. Granted, not as good as a direct connection, but not bad at all with a good transmitter. The one I use turns on and off automatically, so it can stay buried in the console and I never have to get to it to use it.

rad1701

Very close to buying or leasing a G6 HTC. Test driven a few. Do most of these have a slight vibration when driving with the top down when you hit about 60 - 65 mph? They seem rock solid with the top up. Also, what type of gas average economy between the two engines do folks see? Seems of course a bit more peppy with the 3.9 engine in it (I drive a Grand Prix GTP now with a supercharger in it).

Last, I've always bought my cars but due to all the mechanicals on this I'm thinking of leasing instead. What does everyone think on that?

Thanks!

sobeg6

Hi, I would recommend driving the actual vehicle you will purchase. I test drove dealer vehicle and was great. Ordered the 3.9 with all the packages in the planning to keep the car a long long time. Although the car felt solid with top up, I must say after a few weeks especially in my climet (miami beach), the top squeaked to the point I wanted to rip it of. Take note to the rubber where the four windows rest at the removable top. Unless I silconed them weekly the top would squeak against the rubber. Especially on road imperfections.

Also the actual inside of the top would creek in normal driving and again where the rear window and top meet. That on top of a wheel shimmy over 60mph was the main reason for getting rid of the car after owning for 9 months. There are a host of other little problems that just added up to an un happy owner. I hated the cornering of the car as you exit and enter a major freeway. Car felt sloppy and hollow. The transmission was horrible. Should have never been a 4spd. it clunks for lack of another word when slowing down to stop for a traffic light etc...

I must admit the car looks great (had crystal gold blue metallic with tan interior) also tinted windows and added some wood trim in center to finish it off. I really thought the car looked amazing and felt I got a lot of vehicle for the money. But, honestly... as my Step Father said "you get what you pay for in life"! so keep that in mind!!! and best of luck.

rad1701

Thanks for the info. I have test driven 3 G6 HTC's so far. The 3.9 seemed more solid than the two 3.5's I tried (but I just can't do the 3.9 due to the very poor fuel economy). I only felt the shimmy in the two 3.5's, but I might of missed it in the 3.9. I was thinking of just leasing it, but I'm worried about some of the issues, squeaks, etc. I live in Michigan and I am reading a lot about more troubles, squeaks, rattles in the cold weather.

I'm just really loving the look of the car and the HTC feature (really like the blue-gold color changing look too). Do people think most of them have issues, or does it vary from car to car a lot? Maybe I should wait for a 2008 version.

Thanks again for any advice.

jeffmichele

I've had my G6 since February. I like it a lot. Yes, there is a squeak in the roof, but only at certain cooler temperatures. I typically play the radio LOAD, so I only notice it when driving with someone.

Half of my daily commute in at 60MPH. I really don't notice any shimmy or shake. You should know that I’m not really a nuts & bolts type of car guy. I do a 4-year lease 15,000 mile/year, no money down. This is my third Pontiac and sixth lease. Perhaps there are better "buy" deals, but I like knowing that it is out of my hands, just as the costly repairs are coming.

Get the G6 - I receive LOTS of "Heys" and "Thumbs-up" as I cruise around. This has really not happened before in any of my cars - including the Sebring convertible.

Good Luck!

gmerilli

I got the 3.9 and the fuel economy is bad. But then again I didn't buy it for fuel economy. I have had my G6 for a year and I have only put 7000 miles on it, so the fuel economy is not a big deal(I live 2 miles from work). The squeeks are definitely more noticable in cold weather, but I too play my stereo fairly loud and don't notice them. If you are shopping and concerned about fuel economy take a look at the VW EOS with a 4 cylinder(if you can find one). I think that the biggest endorsement that I can give the G6 is after living with the car for a year, I would do it all again. I have had nothing but fun with this car and being in the Northeast, the hardtop and remote start is great during the winter.

rad1701

Thanks for the info guys. I would be getting the 3.5 V6 and am hoping for around 22-24 mpg average. I asked them to do a Road Force Wheel Balance before I get it. I've heard it might help with the shimmy at 60 - 70 mph. Any other comments about this vehicle? Drop down top been working ok?

jeffmichele

My mileage is 22.5 average after 4 months. I have the V6.

My only complaint with the car may seem insignificant. The seat back is not fully adjustable, it doesn't move to a full upright position. I've gotten accustom to the more angled seat, but I would prefer a straightened back (because of a lower back problem I have.) The second problem is that the sun visor does not extend when place to the side. I'm tall and sit back far. I need the extension. This is a pretty typical feature on most cars (even the coupe and sedan G6) but not on the convertible.

Be sure to check them out before you buy!

hal56

your point about the sun visor directly relates to GM's attitude.

And the reason why GM's sales dropped 21% .

GM just cannot figure it out--Toyota up 11% Nissan up 23%--the people are voting with their pocketbooks.

The GM models keep coming up a day late and a dollar short--whether its 4 speed At or lack of 6 Speed, sun visors or good stereos, shaky mirrors or a lot of rattles in car.

But what the Heck--GM 50 years ago had over 50% of the market.

Pontiac 50 years ago had the rep inside GM of being advanced performance technology--thats sadly no longer true.

My 64 Goat performed much better than my 2007 G6 in many ways--Its basic transportation, but sadly, not even economical high MPG transportation (my 99 vetter gets better mileage

rad1701

Thanks for the info. That mileage sounds about right. Is that a mix of highway/city. I do a mix of about 50/50. Had a Grand Prix Supercharged and got about 23 mpg average so it sounds like this G6 with the V6 will be close to that.

I think the visor thing might be due to the convertible factor. I'm 6'4" and feel pretty comfortable in the G6 HTC. I drove another yesterday that had no shimmy or noticeable wheel shake between 60-70. Think I'm going to get it!

jpiazza

I have 2,500 miles on my 3900 G6 convertible. I had an annoying rattle in the left door only when the top was down. The dealer's technician who test road with me said there was also a lesser rattle in the right door. He had seen this once before and determined that the striker pin on each door did not have sufficient spring pressure to hold the door tightly in place when closed. The rattle reminded me of my old 1956 oldsmobile that did not have a center post. The windows would rattle when they were down. Unfortunately this is structural on the G6. When the top is up there is enough added support from the closed window that the rattle goes away. He ordered a set of new pins. It took about 30 minutes to install them, and my rattles are 95% gone. They are still there on severe bumps, but they are acceptable now. After all it is a convertible and I don't expect it to drive like my 2006 STS Cadillac (which has sat in the garage while I drive my G6 everywhere). It is a super fun car to own!!

rad1701

Well, decided to take the plunge and leased a G6 HTC (3.5 engine). Did a 3 year lease since I thought that was the safer way to go on this. Picked it up a few days ago. Really like it so far. There are a few little rattles with the top down, but nothing terrible right now. No shimmy at 60 -70 on this one I found. Built in mid June 2007. Got the blue-gold color which is pretty nice on this car with the two-tone leather inside.

How do you keep the back seat belts from flapping around when the top is down? I may cable tie them together or something. Hehe!

lwright

I'm looking into leasing and can anyone tell me what incentives are going on in my area (Indiana) and what is a good deal. I was told I would get the supplier discount but the dealer quoted me over the phone a 39 month lease, 12,000 miles a year for $411.21, seems awfully HIGH to me. Not sure if they're even coming down on the cost of the car what should I do. I was told that today was the last day for rebates which I think is $1000.00

shouldbeworkin

"How do you keep the back seat belts from flapping around when the top is down? I may cable tie them together or something. Hehe!"

Check out the weird plastic structure that's mounted between the seat-backs in the back. There's a spot to slip in each belt and another holster for each belt buckle - works great!

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As for the $411/mo deal, from what I've seen on the site it's in the ball park. I'm at $392/mo on a 39 mo 10K/yr lease with an employee discount. I've only seen one deal on the site that's seemed substantially better - I can't remember the exact terms.

rad1701

My lease (that just started last week) is for 36 months at 15K miles per year for $390 per month. This is the GM employee type pricing since my brother in law works for GM. This also included the $2000 in rebates they had going until July 9th. It is a bit high for a lease I thought, but I just wasn't up to buying one. However, the car is a lot of fun so far and I love it.

P.S. I did figure out the seat belt thing in the back. Thanks.

hal56

rad--what was the sticker on the car--around 32K?

With employee pricing and rebates and zero financing, how much would the purchase be with no money out of pocket?

when i bought the lease would have been 417 and I purchased it with zero financing for 760 a month for 3 years--I figure that gives me a residual breakeven at around 13k. And they were figuring 17.5k for the lease.

rad1701

My car's sticker was about 31,500. I think I had them run the 3 year, 0% finance deal (keep in mind you lose half of the rebates when you pick 0% financing), but I don't recall the exact number.

Oh, I should of said I did pay about $650 at the lease signing for the usually fees, transfer, and first month lease payment.

unhappy12

i own a pontiac g6 HTC. and it is adorable but thats the only thing good with it. It has been in the shop 5 times. I bought a new car because i dont have time to be at the dealership fixing anything. I have always had new cars. This is my second car. I am 20 and i am so disappointed. I went from a yukon denali to a g6 HTC and i want to kill myself. It works when it wants to. I didnt not have the car the entire month of may and because i am 20 i could not drive a loaner car from the dealership so i had to give my mother the loander and driver her car. Problems Problems. the top is still not fixed. GM paid my car payment for may and gave me 24 months of free oil changes and tire rotations..which is longer then my lease( which is 307.10 a month for 27 months and 12000 miles) **anyone paying over that is paying too much..**
i have filed suit with 1800 lemon law. they have been great they said GM knows about all these problems. and i am not the only one.. BE CAREFUL IF YOU BUY..

i already have a cash deal offered from gm.1800 lemon law is trying to get them to buy it back. and i will be returned all money i have paid for it which is what i want.

Good luck g6 HTC Drivers.. CaLL pontiac if your unhappy. they want to make you happy. :lemon:

hal56

when i looked at the car if I leased I lost the zero financing --they have a built in interest rate on the lease-and I think on the lease you lose the effect of the rebates--there is too much wiggle room for the dealer on a lease--not transparent at all.

on the other hand, if you cannot afford the cash flow on the purchase you may be better off with the lease. I really like owning the car in 3 years and I can sell, trade or keep and do not have to worry about mileage

hal56

too bad you are unhappy--

on the lease of 307--too much info is missing--like which model did you buy, was your old car used as a trade in and reduced cost, did you pay cash upfront?

somewhere in here is a calculator for leases--your 307 is way off.

unhappy12

their were incentives of 3000.. i got the GT it was about 32300 the only option is is missing is the adjustable gas/brake. which i never used in my yukon so i didnt want it.
i bought within the last 3 months.

i sold the yukon outright. so i got good money for it.

compared to all of you i got a good deal. we always buy but my parents wanted to get my own car after the 27 months i will be out of college....

overall i hate the g6. i dont like paying for a feature (h :lemon: ard top) and not being able to use it when i want to.

sobeg6

Good for you. Glad you were able to get out of the deal. I too was very disappointed with the car. It looks great! but Pontiac is way behind times with technology. The car just rides sloppy and is made poorly. I'm amazed there are any positive feed backs here. Best thing I did was get rid of it. Love my Cooper S convertible. Although not a hard top, i'm garaged! car drives amazing and should have did this from the beginning! Good luck on your next purchase.

rad1701

As I have said here, recently leased my G6 HTC. Ride is fine and seems good so far. Top works great. I plan on keeping folks posted here on how this goes during my 3 year lease period. In just week I've had a ton of compliments. I'm sure any car built can have some bad ones, bad parts, etc. It's just the law of averages. But, my fingers are crossed!

buddym3

i just bought my g6 in june it rides good gas millage is not so good in city but i have a rattle that seems to be coming from the top mainly noticeable on side roads that are not so smooth i have had it in the shop 2 times and am taking it back for the 3rd time hope they can fix it

rad1701

What engine do you have and what is your gas mileage? The 3.9 engine is quite the gas hog I think but my 3.5 doesn't seem too bad so far. Rattling I think is pretty typical in this car. Guess it depends on how severe it is. Mine has some minor rattle but nothing that severe yet worth taking it in for. I think a hard top convertible is fairly prone to that. As long as it doesn't get any worse I'm fine with a few minor rattles to have the HTC feature.

buddym3

i have the 3.9 i am getting around 17 t0 19 city have not taken it on a road trip yet hope it is a lot better, yea the rattles are pretty bad if i don't get satisfaction this time i am complaining to gmac

yamawho

Ok so at 7000 miles they had to replace the A/C compressor, hopefully that will be it for a while. Hey it's an American car... I worked for Pontiac for several years and there are good ones and bad ones. Hopefully this will be my last problem for some time. I do like driving this car at night with the top down though....

bigmsv

I will be taking my '07 G6 - GT Convertible back to a dealer for the fifth time. I have had problems with the top NOT going down or up since I bought the car in November. They have replaced wiring, computer modules, latches etc. On one occasion when the top was stuck in the trunk and wouldn't go back up,they had to take the trunk lid off and remove the folded roof in order to get things working again!!! They tell me that no one else in the world has this problem....LOL. I've about had it with the car and will file a Lemon Law form soon.

hal56

if you started working on this In November, they should give you a loaner for 2-3 months then replace the whole shebang with a 2008.

bigmsv

Had the car in for the fifth time today. Top wouldn't go down. The trunk opened as it should but nothing more!!!
Technician found that a new latch of some sort that was replaced the first time I had trouble back in November was not properly installed as far adjusting it's correct precise position. Over time it caused too much stress on the operation of retracting the roof. He adjusted and lubricated the latch, and all seems to be operating the smoothest ever......for now???

kimgm

Waiting for a look at an '08 G6 HTC. Last year this time the '07's were on lots. Anyone had a chance to look over the '08s?

shouldbeworkin

What's supposed to be different on the '08s?

jasperjason

I purchased my G6 HTC in October 2006. I love driving it - so much fun. Until May 2007. While putting the top up I heard metal rip. I first thought I had possibly forgotten I had put something in the trunk and put the top down. Nothing in the trunk though. The pins and holes didn't line up - so off to the body shop. Then in June while the top was down the car kept reading TOP NOT SECURE. It also said this while the top was up. At the same time the windows did not operate properly during open/close. Service tested everything they could and could find no problem. They spoke to GM which also had no clue. They had the car for 4 weeks before they found the problem - a switch. Ordered the switch, replaced it, but they didn't work either. GM said to replace a cylinder/piston (which was back-ordered for 3 wks) that didn't work. Then GM said to replace the hydraulic pump - that didn't work. Now GM says they will send an engineer to work with the service department. I'll keep you updated. I hope to have the top down by the time the snow begins to fly!

hal56

they gave you a loaner I assume?

hal56

while I am here--has anybody noticed that the steering wheel and drivers seat do not exactly line up--the wheel is a bit to the left

bxd

... to hear about all the trouble.

at the least I would expect a G6 HTC loaner. If not, I would be going after some money, you're paying for a car you can't enjoy. Hang in there!! Every problem can be fixed.

bab1067

Had the car 4 days when leaked on rear passenger. Brought in and couldn't duplicate. As mechanic brought out leaked. Kept car 4 days, replaced and adjusted seal which created a whole on the passenger window seal. Brought back in because leaked again and unable to get top down. Unable to duplicate. Car is in shop now due to puddle in rear passenger seat and carpet soaked. Top not retracting. Car gutted, seats cleaned carpet sent out to be cleaned. Unable to duplicate even with Service manager witnessing water on ledge, seat and carpet. Re-adjusting seal. What a joke. There is a GM bulletin about the top. Problem with front and rear silinoid. These are being replaced. Have contacted Pontiac and filed a lemon law complaint. Mold will soon be growing in my car which will make everyone who gets in car sick.

rjent

We just purchased a new 2007 G6 convertible and love this car. I have had no problems and have put about 1200 miles on so far. We have the 3.9 and we are getting above 27 highway and over 20 in town. The top is incredible. I own two Corvettes (one a convertible) and I can honestly say that this car is just as much fun to drive, though the performance is not as good (naturally) it is still a fun car. I am suprised by all of the negative posts here on the G6 vert! So far so good for us!
I have a very good dealer (a personal friend of mine) and he is telling me that the car is basically doing well mechanically. A few (company wide) are have problems with the top but that is to be expected.

1 mileage is very good
2 comfort is very good
3 performance is very good (considering my Vette experiences)
4 fun factor is great!

I would not hesitate recommending this car to anyone!

bab1067

update on the G6 situation. The dealership has had the car for a week now. A case file has been opened with pontiac. They now have the pontiac engineers involved in the problem with the roof leaking. They find and fix one problem to create another. Now the roof leaks into the trunk. In the process of a buy back on the car. Pontiac has been very helpful with this situation.

mike57555755

Glad to hear the rattles can be fixed. I tested a G6 HTC yesterday and the two cars I drove had a very noticable cowl shake of the steering wheel and morror area. In fact, the whole car shakes when you go over a man hole or smoething out of the ordinary. Other than that, nice car, not as much torque in the 3.5 as i expected though.

WELL DONE on the price deduction! What state are you in ?

In Virginia, the dealers are not into giving that much of a discount.....

Thoughts ?

mike57555755

The rattles of the mirror are proably due to cowl shake. I'm thinkin that GM has a technical bulletin on it......

IF not, and it's that much of a headache, find another vehicle and trade it .....

good luck

bab1067

:lemon: Ok, back to the problem with the top leaking. I was assured the pontiac engineers fixed the car (Not). The dealership had the car a week before I got it back. Was told by Pontiac to test car for leaks. Went to the car wash and the car leaked on the passanger and driver side and into the trunk on the passanger side. My original problem was with the car leaking into the rear passanger seat. The car never leaked in the car wash before the engineers were involved. The car leaked only after raining and the car being moved. They made the situation worse. The car is back in, Pontiac engineers being called out to dealership to trouble shoot. Talking with Pontiac district manager to buy car back. Would never own a G6 Convertible again. Maybe noone else has had this problem and I truly got a lemon, but I truly hate that car. :mad:

vagator

I am also also have top problems. I have more miles on my 07 HTC than most post i see here, 26K. I had no problems with the top until 4 SEP 07. The wife told me heard a "clunk" when putting the top up. The car has been in the shop more than out since about 5 SEP. The first 3 times the dealer said it was ready for pick-up the wife tested the top operation before leaving the dealer and problem persisted. Oh, the original problem was that the top was not clearing the trunk lid going up and down. It did not hit metal to metal, but caught the felt liner and "popped" the retaining clips hold the felt to the trunk lid. to me, I was a mechanic for years, it seemed like a simple adjustment. I guess I was wrong. When the dealer did get the top operation fixed to where the wife could at least get it out of the shop we drove it one day and the trunk would not close after the top went into it. What made this worst is that it was a Friday night and we were on a trip 250 miles from home. I did not consider driving the car with the trunk lid up as an option. I put the top back up, but the trunk lid still would not close. After turning the engine on and off a few times I finally got the trunk lid to close. It came down with a "clunk" and the "TOP NOT SECURE" indicator remained. I tried to lift on the trunk lid from the forward edge and it seemed secure. I was lucky that this car will let you drive with the "TOP NOT SECURE" message on. However, I was also unable to open the trunk from the back. this made us nervous all week-end about having a flat tire. We made it back and put the car back in the shop for the 4th time since labor day. They kept it until today. the wife picked it up, tested the top and the dealer and it worked. she gave me a call a few hours later that the top was down and would not go up. I tried it when she got home with no luck. Now it is in my back yard, down for the weekend, with a blue tarp over it in case of rain. Plans are for the wife to take it back to the shop Monday. she is not a happy camper to say the least.
I will say that the folks at the dealership are doing their best I think. The exception to that is a lack of keeping us informed of any progress when the car is in the shop. That seems to be normal these days. so far they have replaced some hydraulic cylinders, adjusted things a few times, etc. The GM rep has not been involved yet, or hasn't talked to us anyway. The wife has had a loaner vehicle when it is in the shop, that is part of this dealer's service. It has not been a G6 HTC and the wife is not over joyed about a midsize SUV. But, they have served the purpose. I did offer the dealer a way out, as it seems like no one really knows how to trouble shoot the HTC yet. I offered for them to take the car back and give me another one. I would eat the last 12 months payments but they had to transfer the extended warranty I have on the current car. I don't normally take extended warranties but I saw the risk of the HTC being new and a thousands things to go wrong with the top up and down process. As a result the dealer is on the hook to keep fixing this car for 7 years or 100k miles. Instead of treating this deal like a win-win for all parties they shoveled me to the sales staff and they wrote up a deal like I had bought a car and didn't like it and wanted to buy another one. I owe 24K on the car and they wanted to give me 20K and add the 4K to the new loan. If that isn't bad enough they wanted me to pay 2K more for the new one than I did this one 14 months ago, and that was without the extended warranty that was another 2,200. Needless to say I told them we would just keep this one and they would remain on the hook to make it right. I am starting to think I am going to have to take it to the next level to get any action. To GM, the lemon law, etc. I also got the same thing of "this has not happened to anyone else", but it is clear that is not the case from what I have read in this group and others on the NET. I will keep everyone update as things develop.

vagator

One more thing, if anyone has a number for someone at GM I can contact, please post.

Thanks,
Gator