There are quite a few CUV/small SUVs with tiny 3rd rows. I think Toyota does it right with the Highlander and RAV4 in that the 3rd row is an option, so if you don't want it you end up gettin more cargo space since the 3rd row seat is completly gone, but if want it as an option for kids than you can get it.
If it were me, I'd rather have the tiny 3rd row option for kids than no 3rd row at all, but for those who know they'll never use the 3rd row, then it makes sense not to take that option. But when a vehicle is only 180-190 inches long, it's hard to compare them to a 200 inch vehicle. That extra foot goes a long way in the 3rd row!
Does anyone here knows what nav system GM uses in these trio?. I looked at Delphi web site and can't seem to find the one that is used here, from pictures (buttons on both sides). What I wanted to do is to add a back up camera later on (after market of some sort). It looks like they use the same Nav on the new '07 Tahoe/Yukon and the like. They have the option of a camera not Acidia, et al. I have install one on my other car but it had its own monitor. Didn't have to mess with anything else in the car simple setup. On the Acidia I would like to use the Nav screen. Any information would help. Thanks.
I'm guessing that GM uses the same nav system throughout their fleet with some having more options than others. I have a 07 STS with nav and most of the buttons are on the touch screen, other GM vehicles have seperate buttons on each side that do the same thing. If they are in fact the same system as mine there is in my center concole a left & right audio and a video RCA jack foe aux input. If the other GM's have this feature than you should be able to hook in there but I don't know if it would be automatic as to come on when you shift to reverse. Doesn't the Tahoe and other big SUV's have a backup camera? May be able to buy the componits and make it work on other GM's and I'll bet it is an option next year too.
a dvd monitor for the THIRD ROW is an option for the loaded acadia...is this true?....
NO
Entertainment system, rear seat DVD player with remote control, overhead display, 2 sets of 2-channel wireless infrared headphones and auxiliary audio/video input jacks 1 - Includes (UQS) Advanced Bose 10-speaker with 5.1 surround sound audio system, (UVA) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible CD/DVD player. Also includes (UK6) rear audio controls and (CJ2) tri-zone automatic climate control. 2 - Includes (UQS) Advanced Bose 10-speaker with 5.1 surround sound audio system and (UVA) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible CD/DVD player. 3 - Includes (UQS) Advanced Bose 10-speaker with 5.1 surround sound audio system and (UVA) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible CD/DVD player or may be upgraded to (UZR) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible CD/DVD player and DVD-based navigation.
The XL-7 has the hot GM 3.6L, and should be very fast at its lower (than Acadia) weight. Its a little too narrow for me. A vehicle you hardly hear about anymore is the Pacifica. The Acadia is most similar in size to the Pacifica, and Chrysler has given it a 6-speed tranny and large-displacement 4.0L V6. Incredibly, the Pacifica is wider than the Acadia, making it fun to fit in some garages! Its interesting to see what the engineers do with similar dimensions.
Exterior: XL-7 Acadia CX-9 Pacifica Length 197.2 in. 200.7 in. 199.6 in. 198.5 in. Width 72.2 in. 78.2 in. 76.2 in. 79.3 in. Height 68.9 in. 72.8 in. 68.1 in. 68.3 in. Weight 3886 lbs. 4722 lbs. 4312 lbs. 4388 lbs. Wheel Base 112.4 in. 118.9 in. 113.2 in. 116.3 in. Ground Clearance 7.9 in. 7.4 in. Being Researched 5.9 in.
Interior XL-7 Acadia CX-9 Pacifica Front Headroom 41.3 in. 40.4 in. 39.6 in. 39.2 in. Rear Headroom 40 in. 39.3 in. 38.8 in. 40 in. Front Shoulder Room 55.6 in. 61.9 in. 59.4 in. 60.8 in. Rear Shoulder Room 55.3 in. 61.1 in. 58.7 in. 60.5 in. Front Hip Room 52.2 in. 57.8 in. 56.5 in. 55.1 in. Rear Hip Room 53.1 in. 57.9 in. 56 in. 56.3 in. Front Leg Room 41.2 in. 41.3 in. 40.9 in. 40.9 in. Rear Leg Room 38.8 in. 36.9 in. 39.8 in. 39.9 in. Maximum Luggage Capacity Being Researched 19.7 cu.ft. 17.2 cu.ft. 13 cu.ft. Maximum Seating 5 8 7 6
XL7 loses a lot of spact to acadia. And the Xl7 probably wasn't as tuned as Acadia for performance (as the Equinox wasn't) and the acadia has over 20 more horsepower. But the XL7 was engineered for guys like you- who are willing to give up some features and capabilities for a decent package better price. But the acadia is a great value too-better than pilot and pacifica. Who got the info that said Acadia does 0-60 in 7.3 seconds? I'd guess XL7 probbly couldn't do that-that is, if Acadia can. The Pacifica was great- they just should have pushed it as more of a 300 wagon.if they would have styled it like the 300, I'd have one right now!!!
Second row room with seat back was very good, and son sitting behind me didn't complain. Seriously guys- If you're coming from a minivan then this might be the way to go. You don't give up a lot of space. Sits 7 with captains chairs-I just love that! Right now, there is nothing better to me than that! It's hard for me to give up captains chairs.
The Acadia is at 17.1 lb/hp, while the XL-7 is at 15.8 lb/hp, therefore the XL-7 should be a bit faster than the Acadia, and I'd say the XL-7 should be at 7.2 seconds 0-60. Thats with a Car&Driver-style take-off (comparing apples-to-apples test methods): Rev the engine to 3,000 RPM with your foot on the brake, then let go of the brake with the right pedal to the floor. Note the 2WD Ford Edge model can do 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds, so the Acadia should be about the same, 7.3 to 7.5 seconds, 2WD model. Car&Driver ran a Freestyle (19.7 lb/hp) at 8.2 sec 0-60, and the Freestyle is considered underpowered. We have higher and higher expectations of acceleration as the years go by -- horsepower/torque wars.
We have higher and higher expectations of acceleration as the years go by -- horsepower/torque wars.
The amazing part is that this is happening with such high MPG wants. People buying Prius's and small cars. Heck the OEM's coul probably increase their CAFE averages 10% if they wnet back to early '80 HP's.
XL7 is narrower and shorter than an Envoy XL. The Envoy XL has an adult usable 3rd row seat. It is listed as 7 passenger, really comfortable for 6 adults since 3 across the second row would be tight on long trips. XL7 is quite a bit shorter than the Envoy XL, so it would probably be in that class of kid only 3rd row. Fine if you can do with a smaller CUV, but it will find it hard to compete with the Lambada if you want 6-8 adult capacity. To me the Lambada is a good compromise to the Yukon size SUVs if you don't need the towing power or heavy duty off-road capability.
Have we not given this small XL7 midsize much more time than it ever deserved. And by going on and on about it, now the little Edge found its way back into this forum. You guys must really be bored! Should not these be relegated to comparisons with Vue/Torrent/Murano/Rav4/Highlander and etc.
Is it not ok for the Forum just take a guestion on a non applicabe comparison; then give a response and then when it becomes 'the forum', someone politely directs them to the appropriate forum to answer their questions or to vent out their agendas there, instead of on a new generation large(midsize)crossovers Forum like this one.
Lets please not use the excuse that we are running out of Lambda material or camparable Lambda material to go on and on about crap!!!! Is it not possible to have a clean Forum and when it begins to go in to LAH LAH Land, we just redirect them like a teacher would when her 3rd graders get out of focus.
I agree...kinda tired about hearing about other cars in this forum...i check this forum for Lambda news and end up reading more about some other cars...
On a site note..GMC has the acadia up on their site
The GMC web link above says the estimated mpg for the Acadia is only 17 city and 18 highway. The City number isn't to bad but I get better highway from our Sierra Crew Cab (both epa estimated and real world) I sure hope this is a typo on GM's part. If so, I hope the vehicle quality control is better that the marketing dept.
Generally the estimated(EPA) is at least 1, but usually 2 MPGs more and ocasionally 3MPGs more than normal/real driving MPGs(maybe not you or I) but that is how it comes out when the non-bias tests are run...almost every time.
We have been fed that Lambdas are supposed to be 18/26 and that translates to 16/24 in real driving. Since I drive about 45%city/55%hwy it works out to 20 mixed which is my minimum...I could actually make it work at 16/23 with 45/55% to achieve that magic number. But will still wait on the Auto Consumer Guide for the real numbers.
kinda tired about hearing about other cars in this forum
I have 2 solutions for you- #1- read earlier forum posts-you weren't the first on this forum, so a lot's been said since you got here. Now we know every thing about them, so we're comparing. #2-GO to GMC.com to see official info (they have great pics, too!)
On a side note, looked at my latest motortrend SUV of the year edition tested XL7 and 0-60 times are listed 7.7 sec. I can see your point, but since the Acadia is bigger, and gets better numbers, it was probably performance tuned more in some way for better performance. MT also said a better pick for performance and quality might be Hyundai Sante Fe. Since you probably want to get the most bang for your buck, have you considered this(Actually sat in the 3rd row-amazing for this size, but only 80 cu ft cargo space-compared to 97, and a little slower)?
16/24 -I bet you could actually get 17 and 24/25. But those numbers are impressive-Honda Pilot can't touch them! That's Odessy territory! Make sure to look at more than one source for numbers because many (including the famed Consumer reports-in my oppinion) are biased.
Bet I would get about 21 average for my driving type with the FWD and 20 on the AWD. I am primarily city with some in town highway. I also drive somewhat aggressively. I am getting about 17 on my Envoy XL. It is rated 16/22 for RWD.
Not "Consumer reports" but 'Auto Consumer Guide'. If you've ever picked up a copy, you will find absolutely no ads... period. So, for my money, I'm going with the guy that's not influenced by advertising money, as in the usual auto magazines, where half the pages are ads. Though no one is perfectly clean, they have to be the cleanest by far.
I don't think it matters much whether or not the magazine gets adverstising revenue. Honda for example wins a lot of comparison tests in many mazazines, but I don't see any more Honda ads than for any other manufacturer.
I know the difference. I've read both. I'm just saying look at a few magazines ratings-like Motortrend, and Car and driver. And there's no ads for consumer reports, either.
Based on driving 20,000/year at $2.50/gal, the difference between 20,21,22mpg is about $2/week in extra cost. For some that's significant and for other it is not, but at least it's a reality check of mpg comparisons.
Well, comparing the XL-7 7 passenger base against the Outlook base, both including Dest charges, there is only $3006 difference. $24,884 vs $27,990.
If you compare the base Acadia at $29,990 vs the 5 Passenger XL-7, then you might get the $7,000 difference. BUT if you go for 5 passenger capacity, then you have to open it up to Highlanders, Envoy, Explorer, etc. Thus, you could probably find an even better deal to make the Suzuki look higher priced. That is like comparing apples to 'taters :-)
What an interesting and surprising development. I realize we're still on pins and needles waiting on the Lambdas to get out there...but this Outlook 2 door XRS kind of blind sided me... not that it fits my needs. Wonder if it is also 79" wide?
The screens for the center seats are overhead and mounted on a bar that travels in a track above the windows, so they can be moved rearward to serve the rearmost seats. We thought this was just a concept car trick, but Buick says this feature will be “significant” (whatever that means) when we see the production model.
I have high hopes for it, but geez! They're absolutely insane. There's no way that's getting put in the production model.
I have high hopes for it, but geez! They're absolutely insane. There's no way that's getting put in the production model.
Not a big deal. A couple sources have been showing overhead rail systems for years with components that plug and play in different positions. I think one of the transplants uses it. It goes along the center of the vehicle.
It is about all their Auto clients squeezing individually the typical auto magazine for the best data/ results going into a magazine whereby they advertise. Most of these magazines have 2 clients; you and the auto makers
this is not true for the mainstream magazines. They pretty much report on how the individual guys report feel. Of course each person has bias like all of us do!
Don't believe pig was originally talking about other people/ users opinions at all. Most auto mags do their in house random road tests/reports and etc. And the auto consumer guide focuses almost intirely on maximum unbias info on practically all vehicles on the market and it appears they do it very well. Believe when he wants to make his decision, it will be based on what he believes is the most ethical data he can find. I've picked up a couple of issues of this publication and feel very comfortable with their data too!
Not sure. If they use the track I guess they may be able to do it. It is possible but not sure the demand for the price woudl make it worthwhile to develop/offer it.
Lots of people say they want something but when it comes to putting down the money they do not buy. Navigation is one that comes to mind. So many say why does GM not offer in all it's cars. but when you look at lower cost vehicles like the Accord and Camry you just cannot find a dealer that stocks them.
I have seen clinics where folks are asked what they want. Oh they say they want everything. But make them use a budget analysis and most all the "gadgets" fall off the table. That used to include safety features, lately though more are convinced they need to spend the money on those even though if they are offered as optional (side air bags for instance) most do not take.
Although you may be right about some/most people not wanting to put down the cash for the features/options, there are the other people that want EVERYTHING and are willing to pay for a FULLY LOADED vehicle. Additionally, a loaded vehicle has much more used car appeal than a bare-bones vehicle.
I would like to wish all of those who have weathered the storms on this forum and are still here...a very happy and safe Thanksgiving Holiday weekend! Best Wishes - Pig
Visited GMC dealer last week and asked for brochure and delivery date. Was told no brochures and Jan delivery. Today I recieved a brochure and a note from the salesman that they could order "very soon." I will start pricing, but will not order until i test drive. It looks great, but still have not priced. I need the top of the line cause I want drivers memory seat.
I agree completely. Problem is that few will pay XXXX for a plaino car like a Camry/Malibu/Accord/whatever when for the same money they step up into a different class of vehicle. A $35k Camry is just not that salable when you can get a Lexus for the same money.
That is why it is hard to find a completely loaded Camry/Accord at a dealership. The market is just not there. If it was dealerships would stock them.
On contradiction, Vette, i know many would pay for loaded vehichles. All I see is loaded LTZ Tahoes, on the streets and on lots and also loaded Denalis. But Escalade is starting to lose substance. Everybody wants loaded. Many who buy a loaded Charger give little thought to 300's (okay, not true, but there are a lot of them!) And plus, when you pay that little extra, you lose some of the toys. Where your statement really applies is: Why get G6 when i can get Grand Prix. It's all relativity!
Aside from that, Happy Thanksgiving to you guys too. I'm thankful to have someone to argue with on this subject all the time. Wonder what I'd do without you guys!
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If it were me, I'd rather have the tiny 3rd row option for kids than no 3rd row at all, but for those who know they'll never use the 3rd row, then it makes sense not to take that option. But when a vehicle is only 180-190 inches long, it's hard to compare them to a 200 inch vehicle. That extra foot goes a long way in the 3rd row!
What I wanted to do is to add a back up camera later on (after market of some sort). It looks like they use the same Nav on the new '07 Tahoe/Yukon and the like. They have the option of a camera not Acidia, et al.
I have install one on my other car but it had its own monitor. Didn't have to mess with anything else in the car simple setup.
On the Acidia I would like to use the Nav screen.
Any information would help.
Thanks.
a dvd monitor for the THIRD ROW is an option for the loaded acadia...is this true?....
NO
Entertainment system, rear seat DVD player with remote control,
overhead display, 2 sets of 2-channel wireless infrared headphones and
auxiliary audio/video input jacks
1 - Includes (UQS) Advanced Bose 10-speaker with 5.1 surround sound
audio system, (UVA) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible CD/DVD player.
Also includes (UK6) rear audio controls and (CJ2) tri-zone automatic
climate control.
2 - Includes (UQS) Advanced Bose 10-speaker with 5.1 surround sound
audio system and (UVA) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible CD/DVD
player.
3 - Includes (UQS) Advanced Bose 10-speaker with 5.1 surround sound
audio system and (UVA) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible CD/DVD
player or may be upgraded to (UZR) AM/FM stereo with MP3 compatible
CD/DVD player and DVD-based navigation.
Exterior: XL-7 Acadia CX-9 Pacifica
Length 197.2 in. 200.7 in. 199.6 in. 198.5 in.
Width 72.2 in. 78.2 in. 76.2 in. 79.3 in.
Height 68.9 in. 72.8 in. 68.1 in. 68.3 in.
Weight 3886 lbs. 4722 lbs. 4312 lbs. 4388 lbs.
Wheel Base 112.4 in. 118.9 in. 113.2 in. 116.3 in.
Ground Clearance 7.9 in. 7.4 in. Being Researched 5.9 in.
Interior XL-7 Acadia CX-9 Pacifica
Front Headroom 41.3 in. 40.4 in. 39.6 in. 39.2 in.
Rear Headroom 40 in. 39.3 in. 38.8 in. 40 in.
Front Shoulder Room 55.6 in. 61.9 in. 59.4 in. 60.8 in.
Rear Shoulder Room 55.3 in. 61.1 in. 58.7 in. 60.5 in.
Front Hip Room 52.2 in. 57.8 in. 56.5 in. 55.1 in.
Rear Hip Room 53.1 in. 57.9 in. 56 in. 56.3 in.
Front Leg Room 41.2 in. 41.3 in. 40.9 in. 40.9 in.
Rear Leg Room 38.8 in. 36.9 in. 39.8 in. 39.9 in.
Maximum Luggage Capacity Being Researched 19.7 cu.ft. 17.2 cu.ft. 13 cu.ft.
Maximum Seating 5 8 7 6
The Acadia is at 17.1 lb/hp, while the XL-7 is at 15.8 lb/hp, therefore the XL-7 should be a bit faster than the Acadia, and I'd say the XL-7 should be at 7.2 seconds 0-60. Thats with a Car&Driver-style take-off (comparing apples-to-apples test methods): Rev the engine to 3,000 RPM with your foot on the brake, then let go of the brake with the right pedal to the floor. Note the 2WD Ford Edge model can do 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds, so the Acadia should be about the same, 7.3 to 7.5 seconds, 2WD model. Car&Driver ran a Freestyle (19.7 lb/hp) at 8.2 sec 0-60, and the Freestyle is considered underpowered. We have higher and higher expectations of acceleration as the years go by -- horsepower/torque wars.
The amazing part is that this is happening with such high MPG wants. People buying Prius's and small cars. Heck the OEM's coul probably increase their CAFE averages 10% if they wnet back to early '80 HP's.
Similar to the Saturn site and also no build your own yet.
to mention the huge amount of extra cargo area...35-40% more than the XL-7.
Is it not ok for the Forum just take a guestion on a non applicabe comparison; then give a response and then when it becomes 'the forum', someone politely directs them to the appropriate forum to answer their questions or to vent out their agendas there, instead of on a new generation large(midsize)crossovers Forum like this one.
Lets please not use the excuse that we are running out of
Lambda material or camparable Lambda material to go on and on about crap!!!! Is it not possible to have a clean Forum and when it begins to go in to LAH LAH Land, we just redirect them like a teacher would when her 3rd graders get out of focus.
On a site note..GMC has the acadia up on their site
One of a number of website errors.
Click the see all tab for the correct numbers.
We have been fed that Lambdas are supposed to be 18/26 and that translates to 16/24 in real driving. Since I drive about 45%city/55%hwy it works out to 20 mixed which is my minimum...I could actually make it work at 16/23 with
45/55% to achieve that magic number. But will still wait on the Auto Consumer Guide for the real numbers.
I have 2 solutions for you-
#1- read earlier forum posts-you weren't the first on this forum, so a lot's been said since you got here. Now we know every thing about them, so we're comparing.
#2-GO to GMC.com to see official info (they have great pics, too!)
On a side note, looked at my latest motortrend SUV of the year edition tested XL7 and 0-60 times are listed 7.7 sec. I can see your point, but since the Acadia is bigger, and gets better numbers, it was probably performance tuned more in some way for better performance. MT also said a better pick for performance and quality might be Hyundai Sante Fe. Since you probably want to get the most bang for your buck, have you considered this(Actually sat in the 3rd row-amazing for this size, but only 80 cu ft cargo space-compared to 97, and a little slower)?
Make sure to look at more than one source for numbers because many (including the famed Consumer reports-in my oppinion) are biased.
18/26 for FWD
17/24 for AWD
Bet I would get about 21 average for my driving type with the FWD and 20 on the AWD. I am primarily city with some in town highway. I also drive somewhat aggressively. I am getting about 17 on my Envoy XL. It is rated 16/22 for RWD.
The ultimate capability in personal transportation.
If you compare the base Acadia at $29,990 vs the 5 Passenger XL-7, then you might get the $7,000 difference. BUT if you go for 5 passenger capacity, then you have to open it up to Highlanders, Envoy, Explorer, etc. Thus, you could probably find an even better deal to make the Suzuki look higher priced. That is like comparing apples to 'taters :-)
Must...find...out...what...production Enclave...looks like!!!
The screens for the center seats are overhead and mounted on a bar that travels in a track above the windows, so they can be moved rearward to serve the rearmost seats. We thought this was just a concept car trick, but Buick says this feature will be “significant” (whatever that means) when we see the production model.
I have high hopes for it, but geez! They're absolutely insane. There's no way that's getting put in the production model.
Not a big deal. A couple sources have been showing overhead rail systems for years with components that plug and play in different positions. I think one of the transplants uses it. It goes along the center of the vehicle.
individually the typical auto magazine for the best data/ results going into a magazine whereby they advertise. Most of these magazines have 2 clients; you and the auto makers
this is not true for the mainstream magazines. They pretty much report on how the individual guys report feel. Of course each person has bias like all of us do!
users opinions at all. Most auto mags do their in house random road tests/reports and etc. And the auto consumer guide focuses almost intirely on maximum unbias info on practically all vehicles on the market and it appears they do it very well. Believe when he wants to make his decision,
it will be based on what he believes is the most ethical data he can find. I've picked up a couple of issues of this publication and feel very comfortable with their data too!
Lots of people say they want something but when it comes to putting down the money they do not buy. Navigation is one that comes to mind. So many say why does GM not offer in all it's cars. but when you look at lower cost vehicles like the Accord and Camry you just cannot find a dealer that stocks them.
I have seen clinics where folks are asked what they want. Oh they say they want everything. But make them use a budget analysis and most all the "gadgets" fall off the table. That used to include safety features, lately though more are convinced they need to spend the money on those even though if they are offered as optional (side air bags for instance) most do not take.
Best Wishes - Pig
Today I recieved a brochure and a note from the salesman that they could order "very soon."
I will start pricing, but will not order until i test drive. It looks great, but still have not priced. I need the top of the line cause I want drivers memory seat.
That is why it is hard to find a completely loaded Camry/Accord at a dealership. The market is just not there. If it was dealerships would stock them.
LTZTahoes, on the streets and on lots and also loaded Denalis. But Escalade is starting to lose substance. Everybody wants loaded. Many who buy a loaded Charger give little thought to 300's (okay, not true, but there are a lot of them!) And plus, when you pay that little extra, you lose some of the toys. Where your statement really applies is: Why get G6 when i can get Grand Prix. It's all relativity!Aside from that, Happy Thanksgiving to you guys too. I'm thankful to have someone to argue with on this subject all the time. Wonder what I'd do without you guys!