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How about a challenge to see what was dropped from concept?
3rd row captains chairs.
The difference here is that with the rear seats up in the Enclave the floor is flat behind the seats. In the Freestyle there is a large compartment that opens up when the rear seats are in use (as this is where the seats are stored when no used) and that adds a lot of extra volume to the cargo space in the back.
I would assume that Outlook and Acadia are similar to the Enclave here.
In the photo with the trike, I am not sure if I could get my daughter's Kettler trike in the back of the Freestyle like that. So it may be a few inches deeper that the Ford from tailgate to back of seats.
Tiger Woods and Buick unveil the new 2008 Enclave. The event will be
webcast live at http://gmtv.feedroom.com tonight starting at 8:45 p.m.
ET, with video-on-demand-replays to follow. Tune in from your home
computer to get the first look at this exciting new vehicle!
There is also info. now at www.buick.com
Wondering if the 3rd row windows vent out like on minivans - don't see a hinge though. I have a feeling the window doesn't open at all.
I will agree with you there. Both of which means that the Lambda trio (and Freestyle) have considerably more space in the back than the Pacifica (the other closest competitor to these three).
all?
2. Is there an option for second row heated seats?
3. HUD? Rendezvous had it, Acadia has it.
4. Heated steering wheel? Lucerne has it.
5. A/C front seats? Lucerne has them.
That's pretty much it, but if there are lot's of "No" answers then that will be sort of disappointing. I don't see how Buick could offer A/C front seats, heated rear seats, a heated steering wheel, and a HUD on some of their models but not their most expensive vehicle. Doesn't quite make sense IMO. Then again, many may be available only on the V8 model that will be released later to establish it as a much more luxurious option worth the higher price tag.
One last thing but most it's most likely just me, is the steering wheel wood different then the wood trim on the doors, dash, and center consoles?
My assistant in vehicle evaluations, Ria Manglapus, and I ran the front-wheel-drive version of the Outlook XR through our respective family torture chambers. We piled on the miles, piled in the people and the stuff, and drove it over some of the roughest pavement we could find just to see if we'd get the usual gripes and grumbles from our many passengers. We got zilch.
Our passengers, including those in the third-row seat, rode happily. Even with all three seats up, we were able to pack all of their stuff into the rear luggage compartment. Because the Outlook is based on a unitized car platform, it rode low to the ground, like a car, which meant the older, less agile members of our families easily entered and exited the vehicle.
Ingress and egress also were helped by Saturn's clever design of what it calls the "smart slide" second-row seat. With one hand, you can push that seat forward into a fold-flat position.
A 3.6-liter, 275-horsepower V-6 engine in the XR version provides ample oomph. And although the Outlook is as large as Ria's Honda Odyssey minivan, it handles in the manner of a much smaller and lighter vehicle -- and it looks better than the Odyssey inside and out.
We like this one. We like it very much. But it's too bad GM decided to call it the Outlook. The company should have adopted the phonetic spelling of the Saturn general manager's surname and called it the Lajek.
Ride, acceleration and handling: It rides like a well-crafted station wagon -- exceedingly smooth and comfortable, even over difficult roads. Credit the Outlook's 118.9-inch wheelbase, which is the centerline distance between the front and rear wheels, and its four-wheel independent suspension.
Head-turning quotient: We got favorable looks everywhere and lots of damning with faint praise.
Body style/layout: The Saturn Outlook is a front-engine, full-size combination station wagon-hatchback-minivan with some SUV styling pretensions. It is a work of unitized steel construction available with front-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive in base XE or upscale XR trim.
Engine/transmission: A 3.6-liter, V-6 engine is standard for all Outlook models. But in the XE version with a single exhaust pipe, that engine develops 270 horsepower at 6,600 revolutions per minute and 248 foot-pounds of torque at 3,200 rpm. In the XR with dual exhaust pipes and, thus, lower outlet restriction, that engine develops 275 horsepower at 6,600 rpm and 251 foot-pounds of torque at 3,200 rpm. The engine is mated to a six-speed automatic transmission.
Capacities: There is seating for up to eight people. Cargo space with second- and third-row seats up is 19.7 cubic feet. It is 117 cubic feet with second and third rows down. Maximum payload, the weight of what can be carried onboard, is 1,678 pounds. Maximum towing capacity is 4,500 pounds. The fuel tank holds 22 gallons of regular unleaded.
Mileage: I averaged 24 miles per gallon in highway driving. Ria averaged 17 mpg in city runs.
Safety: Standard equipment includes side and head air bags and traction and stability control.
Price: The 2007 Saturn Outlook is on sale now. Base prices range from $27,255 for the front-wheel-drive XE to $31,555 for the all-wheel-drive XR. Dealer's invoice prices range from $25,756 for the front-wheel-drive XE to $29,819 for the all-wheel-drive XR. A $735 destination charge will be added to both prices. The prices are provided by Saturn and www.edmunds.com .
Purse-strings note: Front-wheel-drive makes more sense and saves more gas money in areas with little snowfall. The 2007 Saturn Outlook is a buy.
On the Freestyle, every seat, except the drivers seat, folds flat. Thats 2.5 rows, all flat. I thought the Acadia did that, too. It doesn't?
Yes, the 3rd row seat back folds forward (and you can leave it in that position if you want) and then the whole thing will flip over into the well behind the 3rd row, sort of (but not exactly) like minivan 3rd rows. Or you can just flip the entire 3rd row backwards (the seat becomes the back and the back becomes the seat) and you have a rear facing 3rd row for tailgating.
For the 2nd rwo, you pull a single lever on the 2nd row, and the seat back folds down, and the whole seat flips forward for easy access to the 3rd row. And the front passenger seat folds flat (I've loaded 10' landscaping timbers and was able to close the hatch). But, it's not wide enough to hold 4' wide sheets of plywood, so you have to rent a truck at Lowes for that (or a lambda, but you might not be able to close the hatch)!
"Dollar for dollar - you can't beat a Pontiac" It was repeated over and over with an indian drum. Not PC today.
Yes, I do have a point. I priced an Acadia on Yahoo auto, top of the lline with everything I wanted and it came to just over 40K with destination.
After looking at the Enclave video, I am not seeing any more "goodies." Styling, yes. My question/point is will we be asked to pay a large premium for Enclave over Acadia? the styling is somewhat cooler, maybe the leather will be softer or more wood or ???
But, Dollar for dollar, will Enclave have any advantage over Acadia. I need my new car by the end of April and would wait for Enclave for the pZaZZ of a Buick, if the price was just a tad bit over the Acadia. But WAY over, I think not!
Enclave?: June 2007
Acadia?:
Outlook?:
I need a new car!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Should see them in some quantities by 12/15. They should be petering out to dealerships now. I think I saw one in a dealership showroom down the road from me as I drove by yesterday. I plan on stopping in today to see if it was a Vue.
However, you are correct in saying that the Enclave doesn't offer many additional features. Like I said in an earlier post, I think they are saving a few extra features for the V8 variant that is yet to be released in order to provide a bigger difference between the two trims rather than just the engine.
Finally, I would greatly appreciate anyone's opinions on my earlier questions.
Reminds me of houses in new developments that are basically square boxes, but then they add the brick veneer to the front, some dormers and added roof points to make the direct front elevation look better. To me that's just cheap looking because it's obvious what it really is underneath.
Boy, sure wish I could have waited for one of these instead of my Envoy.
X5 is a dinky vehicle. Can it even hold 7?
1. Single flip down entertainment screens for 2nd row vs. multiple screens on the concept car.
2. Not sure about 3rd row entertainment system that was shown in concept car - could not tell if it survived.
3. Flip down tray tables in concept car were not visible on LA Show Enclave.
Can anyone clarify?
However, 1 and 2 are both in regards to DVD entertainment, which is always better in aftermarket form anyway. Actually, what I would do if I were you and those are your only problems, is get the car, and the install aftermarket headrest monitors. Visualogic is a company that provides great ones that are guaranteed to 100% EXACTLY MATCH the factory headrests. For some models, such as the Yukon, they also provide second row headrest monitors, so that might solve your 3rd row entertainment problem. This way, you would have a total of four 7 or 9 inch (your choice) DVD players/monitors (once again, you have the option to buy ones that display the same DVD or run independently from one another) for a pretty solid price. Or you could order ceiling mounted 10.2 inch (HUGE) DVD player/monitors for both rows at a lower cost. Of course you could always order the ones that you strap onto the headrests as well for a much lower price (although they look a lot worse). All of these options seem to beat paying more than $1,200 for one 8 inch factory installed screen though.
1. NVH - noise, vibes, & harshness
2. Roll stiffness
3. MPG - we already know the Lambdas win that one.
4. Acceleration - Lambda is known to win that one, too.
5. Braking
6. Steering feel
7. Skidpad
8. Crash Tests
"As I indicated to you on the phone, the specifications that you asked for are pretty specific. It would almost certainly be necessary to place a factory order to get a match for the vehicle you described.
I have attached a pdf file from my GM product software. This document details all the standard features of the model as well as an itemization of the options you asked for.
Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price for this configuration is at $44,965.00 with a standard paint choice and your Costco price would be $41,870.00 plus the usual license and registration costs."
Pricing with Costco would same me almoust $3K and no haggle, go in do paper work drive off. That's a loaded SLT2 (heads up display, DVD, Nav, 19", ect.). He also mention that it would take 30-75 days to get this one in.
Can't wait to test drive it. :surprise:
GM invoice without dealer advertising is $40,979.
I doubt that, too.
Where do you see GM crowing that Enclave will be a Lexus competitor? They have said it will have some attributes of Lexus like comfort but never a competitor. In the intro they even specifically said it would have some Lexus attributes but not a direct competitor. Lexus is just too expensive. The RX starts at almost $40k and that is for a cloth interior. Enclave will barely get over $45k unless fully loaded (my surmise).
Can someone tell me where data like 4 way power passenger seat is coming from? Not that I do not believe it but would like to see the specs. for all of it.
It is easy to pick and choose features and say XXXX should have them. Does the CX-9/RX350/Sienna have every feature:air suspension/keyless ignition/power 3rd row/adaptive cruise/the kitchen sink? OEM's have to include features their market needs. They cannot include all of them or all of a sudden a mid priced vehicle becomes high priced and no longer high volume. The Lamdas have the MPG, size and low cost as their major feature. They also have quality and more.